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-Nanaka-

Joined July 2013

-Nanaka- 2015-12-05T03:15:49+00:00

いうてOD0はQATに目つけられそうだけどなぁ、２年前ならまだしも今は厳しそう
0から4もうーんって感じしない？

Edit:るーらーしのろじっくは分からんでもないけど私がModしてもさてらいとさんと同じ意見だし、0から3も対して変わらないと思う1.5あたりで妥協した方が無難だと思う
客観的意見だから気を悪くしないでクレメンス

Last edited by -Nanaka- 2015-12-05T03:39:11+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

terametis

1,140 posts

Joined April 2009

Topic Starter

terametis 2015-12-05T03:25:33+00:00

Satellite wrote:
Recheck time. No kds pls =3=/

[General]
Unrankableになり得る可能性がある緑線です、Slider Velocityを変更しない場合は赤線を調節して不要な緑線は消してください。
また、Slider Velocityを変更している場合でも赤線のSamplesetとVolumeは緑線か赤線のどちらかに統一してください。全難易度で確認してみてください。

了解です
[Normal]
OD+1 Hard -> Insaneのspreadを詰めるので、Normal ->Hardのspead調整のために上げませんか？
~~NA選手の設定が変わらない場合0→4になるので保留します~~
4に変更
00:30:751 (2,3,1) - この間隔はプレイする際にわかりづらいと思います。以下の音取りを試してください。

頂いた音取りでは無いですが、別なリズムに変更しました
00:41:851 (3) - できればDS通りに配置したほうが好ましいです。一応、提案置いておきます。変更したくない場合はせめてNewcomboをいれてあげると視認性の問題も向上すると思います。
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NCをつける方向で変えました
00:46:351 (2) - 細かいですがDSズレしているので直してください。
Fixed
00:51:451 (2) - 00:41:851 (3) - こちらと同様の理由です。
NCをつける方向で変えました
Easyがある上でのNormalかつ、前noteから十分な間隔があると判断しています
01:03:451 (4,1) - ちょっと単調すぎる？パターンをここだけ変えてメロディに合わせるといいかもしれません。

1/2で単発→スライダーとか単発→単発みたいな連続で完全に押させるパターンを譜面とおして作っていないのでnoで！
上記パターンを除外すると、一個前のパートのパターンとまったく同じ構成になるので、この構成になってました
01:10:051 (2) - 01:15:751 (2) - 01:48:751 (2) - 細かいですがDSズレしているので直してください。
01:15:751のKIAI前のみそのままにします。
02:19:051 (1,2,3,4) - DSバラバラにするのはマズい・・・！こういうのはどうですか？
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駄目かな(にっこり)
全体を通して細かなDSのズレが目立ちます・・・*0.05あたりなら問題ありませんが*0.10くらいズレているのは直したほうがいいかもしれません。
特に意味が無く前後でx0.1以上ずれてるやつはすべて修正しました。

DSずれたままリスト
00:23:101 (1) - 前noteと十分な間隔があると判断
00:32:251 (1,2) - ^
00:40:051 (2,1) - ^
00:51:451 (1) - ^
01:16:051 (1) - 気合前でちょっと盛り上げ感をアッピル
01:31:051 (1) - SV変更で前パートの間隔に合わせた為
01:38:251 (1) - 前noteと十分な間隔があると判断
02:19:051 (1,2,3,4,1) - ﾆｺｯ
[Insane]
01:55:351 (2) - 1/1sliderじゃなくて3/4sliderにして 01:55:726 (3) - これを 01:55:651 - ここからスタートにしたほうが自然かも。
直しました!!
Extraはlooks fine. Call me back ~

ありがとう!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last edited by terametis 2015-12-05T10:45:35+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Satellite

3,683 posts

Joined June 2012

Satellite 2015-12-05T07:52:38+00:00

recheck

[Easy NA]

NewRulerNA wrote:
Satellite wrote:
[Easy N/A]

NormalのODを4にして頂く予定なのでHardのODは6なのでOD+1か+2したほうがmapset全体のバランスを見ると良くなると思います。リズムに関しても譜面全体が７割Sliderを占める+裏の音がはっきりしている箇所にサークルも配置されているので、リズムが困難ではないのでOD0にする理由もないと思います。
2年前同様にno。
この曲では様々なタイミングのズレがオブジェクト間で存在していること、そしてBPM200という高い数値であることは無視できない点です。

一例として00:27:751 (1) - では叩くタイミングが前とは違い、目押し成分(あるいは曲の熟知成分)があり、以前のリズムパターンそのままに当てはめた場合は00:27:901 - に、しかし実際のオブジェクトは00:27:751 - にあり、この差は単純計算で150ms。譜面コンセプトとしてメロディーに無理矢理な解釈をして強引な音取りをするよりも曲に素直に従う形にしたいので、こういった些細なところでもOD2と0の差は少なからず現れると思っています。
300も10ms分判定が緩くなるのでSSも安易になります。

OD0|50score ±199.5/2ms、OD2|50score ±179.5/2ms
OD0はどちらか一方に100msズレても一応繋げるのに対し、OD2では90msまでしかズレは許されません。この10msというのは大きくBPM200で指が間に合わないという自体を少しでも緩和する手段の一つとして有効だと思われます。
01:39:751 (3,1,2) - などでもBPM200でありながら1/1でオブジェクトが3連続、内中央に1サークルなので、スライダーでなぞってからのサークルをクリックという一連の動作に慣れていないプレイヤーに対し、
BPM200での少し複雑で難しいスキルを求めていると思っている為、OD2比較で10msの余裕があってより300を出しやすいOD0を選択するのは十分正当だという認識をしています。
少しでもstandardに慣れていれば簡単にSSが取れるのがEasyのあるべき姿であると考えていて、Easyとしては難しい部類に入るこれに対してODを上げるという処置は考えていません。
この曲では様々なタイミングのズレがオブジェクト間で存在していること、そしてBPM200という高い数値であることは無視できない点です。
BPM200ですがBPM200のmappingではないので無視しても大丈夫な内容に思えます。"様々なタイミングのズレがオブジェクト間で存在"こちらに関しては同意です、"Easyだけ"を見るとOD0で問題ない理由になりますが、Normal -> Hardとのdiff spreadをチェックした際、OD0では好ましくないです。mapset バランスを考慮して頂けるのであればOD+2が提案です。わが道を行くとしたとしてもOD+1はご協力して頂きたいところですがどうしてもキープしたいのであればこのまま通します。
01:36:751 (2) - 次へのパターンに関しては以前のmod通り修正できていますが、手前からのDSが崩れています

[Normal]

02:19:051 (1,2,3,4) - ここだけは厳しいかもしれません・・・。別の提案してみます・・・。
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Hardのreplyとこちらのpostのreplyが着たら呼んでください~

-Nanaka- wrote:
いうてOD0はQATに目つけられそうだけどなぁ、２年前ならまだしも今は厳しそう
0から4もうーんって感じしない？

Edit:るーらーしのろじっくは分からんでもないけど私がModしてもさてらいとさんと同じ意見だし、0から3も対して変わらないと思う1.5あたりで妥協した方が無難だと思う
客観的意見だから気を悪くしないでクレメンス

osu!のルールだけで見ると0でも問題ありませんが、Mapsetバランスで見ると0は極端かもしれませんね。

terametis

1,140 posts

Joined April 2009

Topic Starter

terametis 2015-12-05T10:44:55+00:00

Satellite wrote:
recheck
[Normal]
02:19:051 (1,2,3,4) - ここだけは厳しいかもしれません・・・。別の提案してみます・・・。
img
DSがバラバラにならないように修正しました(DSx1.1)
もし駄目だったら素直にsattelliitte選手の案にします(にっこり)

付け加えてODを4に変更

判定お願いします！！！

wring

596 posts

Joined February 2010

wring 2015-12-05T12:40:23+00:00

Ranger wrote:
[wring's Hard]

00:16:051 (1) - how about make pattern like this? it`s match the music more i think hmm, changed some patterns

00:35:401 (1) - add whistle here no
00:56:851 (4) - add finish here? ok
01:30:751 (5,1) - it`s too far how about use Ctrl + G? ok

Satellite wrote:
[wring's Hard]
00:16:051 (1) - 音取りこのままでもいいけど、こっちのほうが合ってない？ ↑と同じ
00:20:851 (1) - こっちも同様に！
00:54:451 (1,2,3) - 形はきれいだけど流れ悪いから、違う形に変えたほうがいいです。 ok
01:03:451 (6,7) - ちょっと飛びすぎかも。 ok
01:24:451 (5) - Ncいれませんか？ u-n? ok
01:30:751 (5,1) - もーちょい近づけたい ↑と同じ
01:34:651 (1,2,3) - 2.3のパターンはいいけど1.2が不自然 c+g
01:42:901 - 02:02:101 - Insaneとのバランスも兼ねて３連打いれておいてもいいかも。 hai

thanks

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Satellite

3,683 posts

Joined June 2012

Satellite 2015-12-08T07:09:07+00:00

Okay ~ Looks fine! Here we go ~

smallboat

1,687 posts

Joined January 2010

smallboat 2015-12-18T13:25:43+00:00

Sorry although i check some diff are fine except extra diff which i need to pop it

I find a problem at unsnap in Extra (01:39:151 (5) - ) :

Fix this and post a fix let me know

terametis

1,140 posts

Joined April 2009

Topic Starter

terametis 2015-12-18T15:30:36+00:00

Fixed
sorry for stupid mistake...

Satellite

3,683 posts

Joined June 2012

Satellite 2015-12-18T16:54:01+00:00

terametis chan baka xddd

/me baka...

smallboat

1,687 posts

Joined January 2010

smallboat 2015-12-19T04:02:35+00:00

Okay still looks dine and confirm fixed, reb it

Satellite

3,683 posts

Joined June 2012

Satellite 2015-12-19T04:59:51+00:00

Garven wrote:
Fuck yeah marina!

NewRulerNA

1,301 posts

Joined December 2010

NewRulerNA 2015-12-19T05:09:09+00:00

finally

Underforest

5,895 posts

Joined July 2015

Underforest 2015-12-19T19:57:46+00:00

ez is so hard with DT ;_;

anyway, good map

and congrats

litoluna

1,073 posts

Joined April 2011

litoluna 2015-12-20T03:13:46+00:00

omedetou dessssssu

sheela

2,651 posts

Joined October 2011

sheela 2015-12-23T05:25:17+00:00

Hello terametis! I would like to throw some opinions that would need attention.

[Easy N/A]

01:07:051 (1) - 01:11:851 (1) - You could do something else other than repeating the slider four times twice. I feel like you were lazy to do so lol.
01:56:251 (2) - Ah, this slider's border touches the bar! You would want to lower it down.

It's weird how this difficulty follows and starts mostly the drum, but this is should be all right.

[Normal]

00:32:251 (1,2) - This rhythm suddenly becomes two hitcircles with big gaps. I actually thought they were like 1/1 rhythms, after 00:31:201 (3) . Cutting the rhythm after the slider doesn't fit and play very well. I would continue the rhythm with this:
Rhythm
00:39:451 (1,2,1) - The spacing requires some regularity. The movement to object to another is uncomfortable to play, and tend to get the players confused.

[wring's Hard]

00:33:751 (4,5,1) - 00:34:951 (4,5,1) - What is with the big spacing? It totally doesn't fit with the music, and it kind of adds a spike to the difficulty.
00:37:951 to 00:44:851 - 00:47:551 to 00:52:051 - The spacing passes to 0.80x, to 1.20x, making it a big inconsistency. Both parts are literally on a same tone. So why making them inconsistent in spacing? This makes it quite confusing whether it's a 1/1 rhythm or a 1/2 rhythm. You should stick with a short distance all the time in this part, I think it makes a better fit when the music goes all soft.

[Insane]

00:32:851 (1) - Because of the similar spacing of 00:31:951 (2,3) and 00:32:251 (5,6) -, the note acted like if it was on the red tick. I suggest you move it a little far from its previous hitcircle. Probably a distance of 1.12x would fit.
01:20:551 (5) - There should be a clickable object on the downbeat 01:20:851 since the part with strong beats start from this measure, making it emphasized.
01:46:426 (4) - Overmapped from the stream.
01:53:251 (3,1) - I don't get what these sliders are supposed to follow. It makes the rhythm sound weird to me. It's better to stick with 1/2 sliders in my opinion.
01:55:651 (3) - The 1/4 repeat slider, all along to the next stream, hits inaudible sounds, which makes it overmapped.

[Extra]

Don't you think some combos are pretty high? They sometimes reach up until 15, even 19! And they are found in streams. I think they should need a new combo. Here's some examples:
1. 00:22:651 (6) - A new combo fits very well with the gap before.
2. 00:27:301 (7) -
3. 00:31:876 (6) - This one reaches to 19!
  and many more.
01:53:701 (5) - This follows weirdly the music. It's better to keep the rhythm at 1/2 for this part, it would really emphasize it. And also, you skipped an essential beat on 01:53:851 .
01:23:251 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 01:55:651 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 02:05:551 (6,7,8,9) - These streams are pretty much overmapped, and they need to be simplified. I can't hear anything besides the red and white ticks.
02:16:651 to 02:19:051 - This part plays more intensely compared to 02:19:051 to 02:20:551 . But you emphasized it wrong. The 02:19:051 part should be more intense due to the loud and strong beats. You should make 02:16:651 less intense, and increase it for 02:19:051 .

Overall, there is still room for improvements. Make sure that your objects are hitting any beat, otherwise it will get overmapped. The emphasis is also a strong key to mapping. Depending on the beats, the objects, the rhythms, the spacing, and etc. must go with them. Also lower your combos in the high difficulties, as they tend to get big!

Loctav

Popcorn Fairy

4,496 posts

Joined February 2009

Loctav 2015-12-23T13:11:55+00:00

Let's figure out if sheela's concerns are applicable and offer an opportunity to improve this mapset even more!

Try to find a conclusion on that!

riffy

osu! Alumni

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Joined December 2010

riffy 2015-12-23T13:16:43+00:00

While we are at it, Tick Rate on Easy should be set to 1. There is no point in using anything more intense than that.

terametis

1,140 posts

Joined April 2009

Topic Starter

terametis 2015-12-23T16:51:47+00:00

My English skill is very very very poor.
sorry

sheela901 wrote:
[Normal]
00:32:251 (1,2) - This rhythm suddenly becomes two hitcircles with big gaps. I actually thought they were like 1/1 rhythms, after 00:31:201 (3) . Cutting the rhythm after the slider doesn't fit and play very well. I would continue the rhythm with this:
Rhythm
I followed stringed sound. and enough to beat interval. so, keep it.
00:39:451 (1,2,1) - The spacing requires some regularity. The movement to object to another is uncomfortable to play, and tend to get the players confused.
If player miss here, he should play Easy. There is enough too much interval to see. I don't think change this diff for super bigginer.
[Insane]
00:32:851 (1) - Because of the similar spacing of 00:31:951 (2,3) and 00:32:251 (5,6) -, the note acted like if it was on the red tick. I suggest you move it a little far from its previous hitcircle. Probably a distance of 1.12x would fit.
This diff set AR9 so player can read 1/1 interval I think.
01:20:551 (5) - There should be a clickable object on the downbeat 01:20:851 since the part with strong beats start from this measure, making it emphasized.
I want emphasized 01:21:001~, so I set this slider.
01:46:426 (4) - Overmapped from the stream.
If you say this kind overmapped, almost map is overmapped. Interpretation is free of mapper. I can find like this from Qualified. and, Most of these are sensuous.
01:53:251 (3,1) - I don't get what these sliders are supposed to follow. It makes the rhythm sound weird to me. It's better to stick with 1/2 sliders in my opinion.
Because there is a super-long voice. 1/2 here forever? NO. Boring shit.
01:55:651 (3) - The 1/4 repeat slider, all along to the next stream, hits inaudible sounds, which makes it overmapped.
Sing a long note here. Stream is sensuous.
[Extra]
Don't you think some combos are pretty high? They sometimes reach up until 15, even 19! And they are found in streams. I think they should need a new combo. Here's some examples:
00:22:651 (6) - A new combo fits very well with the gap before.
00:27:301 (7) -
00:31:876 (6) - This one reaches to 19!
and many more.
Fixed only 00:22:651 (6).
About 19 combo. If you think it is bad, you should write a reason. It is not a reason 19 combos.
01:53:701 (5) - This follows weirdly the music. It's better to keep the rhythm at 1/2 for this part, it would really emphasize it. And also, you skipped an essential beat on 01:53:851 .
same as Insane.
01:23:251 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 01:55:651 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 02:05:551 (6,7,8,9) - These streams are pretty much overmapped, and they need to be simplified. I can't hear anything besides the red and white ticks.
01:23:251 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Stream in Long tone is sensuous.
01:55:651 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ^
02:05:551 (6,7,8,9) - hmm, I will try to hear to players opinion about here.
02:16:651 to 02:19:051 - This part plays more intensely compared to 02:19:051 to 02:20:551 . But you emphasized it wrong. The 02:19:051 part should be more intense due to the loud and strong beats. You should make 02:16:651 less intense, and increase it for 02:19:051 .
I'm really sorry. don't understand well in my bad English skill. Perhaps, it's about the size of the jump?
Although it is about my intention,　Part A is 02:16:651 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3). Part B is 02:19:051 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1).
Part B is need emphasize because end of song. so, Part A placed more emphasize part B.

thanks for opinion :3

sheela

2,651 posts

Joined October 2011

sheela 2015-12-23T19:01:03+00:00

If you're saying that streams are for long notes, then sliders would fit better at its place, since the note is held. I still don't think you should put streams in parts that don't allow it. Especially 01:23:251 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this stream comes from out of blue, when the build-up starts 01:24:451 -, making it nonsense. But some cases I do agree is that if you want to add something before an intense part, like a triplet that would introduce it. I still think that you should simplify the streams I mentioned. If you still disagree, then for streams like 01:55:651 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 02:05:551 (6,7,8,9) - , make them more compact in order to emphasize the following.

When it comes to big combos, it's best to add a new combo somewhere, where it should fit. There's sometimes readability issues when someone plays the map in CtB because the plate is piling up the fruits, making it hard to see the dropping fruits. Honestly, I can't think of a reason of standard gameplay, but it just doesn't suit much with the map. and it's unnecessary numbers.

At the last part (part A and part B), logically, part B should have bigger jumps than part A. This is because the drums gets stronger and loud compared to part A. To solve this, part A needs lesser big jumps, and for part B, it needs bigger jumps.

Now into another part,
[Normal]

00:32:251 (1,2) - But is it really okay to just let two circles with big different gaps between to follow the string sound? The slider ends the rhythm abruptly, making it sound so weird. Plus the two circles are following another sound, but the previous ones follows mostly one instrument, which makes a kind of inconsistency. I highly recommend to follow what I suggested.
00:39:451 (1,2,1) - The players play what they want to play, and making this pattern hard to read with weird movement is not a good thing. Basically, what you said about players to play Easy is not a good reason.

[Insane]

01:20:551 (5) - It would be nice if you elaborate more your reason. The measure that starts on 01:20:851 introduce a whole new rhythm, so a hitcircle would really emphasize that measure.

I hope this wording should help a little more the map.

NewRulerNA

1,301 posts

Joined December 2010

NewRulerNA 2015-12-24T09:53:10+00:00

sheela901 wrote:
[Easy N/A]
01:07:051 (1) - 01:11:851 (1) - You could do something else other than repeating the slider four times twice. I feel like you were lazy to do so lol.
maybe I was lazy but I want to put a gap for an accent because melody is changing around 01:06:451 - .
01:56:251 (2) - Ah, this slider's border touches the bar! You would want to lower it down.
visibility is enough so I don't take care about that but moved for you lol

thank you

Bakari wrote:
While we are at it, Tick Rate on Easy should be set to 1. There is no point in using anything more intense than that.

there are multiple length of slider, so it seems like tick sound(s) is always incomplete on a slider that start on red tick.

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terametis

1,140 posts

Joined April 2009

Topic Starter

terametis 2015-12-25T11:45:47+00:00

I'm sorry again.
My English skill is very poor so don't write good sentence.

sheela901 wrote:
If you're saying that streams are for long notes, then sliders would fit better at its place, since the note is held. I still don't think you should put streams in parts that don't allow it. Especially 01:23:251 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this stream comes from out of blue, when the build-up starts 01:24:451 -, making it nonsense. But some cases I do agree is that if you want to add something before an intense part, like a triplet that would introduce it. I still think that you should simplify the streams I mentioned. If you still disagree, then for streams like 01:55:651 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 02:05:551 (6,7,8,9) - , make them more compact in order to emphasize the following.
hmm. I'm sorry. Write again, my opinion, stream is match to long tone. And these I believe to entertain player. So I don't care not allowed from you about this.

When it comes to big combos, it's best to add a new combo somewhere, where it should fit. There's sometimes readability issues when someone plays the map in CtB because the plate is piling up the fruits, making it hard to see the dropping fruits. Honestly, I can't think of a reason of standard gameplay, but it just doesn't suit much with the map. and it's unnecessary numbers.

sheela901 wrote:
I can't think of a reason of standard gameplay,
that's all.
I think pattern of NC in this part, like these.
00:23:101 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
00:23:101 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -
Of these, I chose the above. Honestly, don't care CtB or 19 cobmos.

At the last part (part A and part B), logically, part B should have bigger jumps than part A. This is because the drums gets stronger and loud compared to part A. To solve this, part A needs lesser big jumps, and for part B, it needs bigger jumps.
I'm sorry if you had been misread in my words. My English is so poor...
You said increase of the jump for emphasize(for gaps jumpsize part A and Part B), but I don't agree it. Increase of the jump is not the only way of emphasis I think. Part B suitable for drums and reset flow by 02:18:751 (2,3). This configuration is good enough for me.

Now into another part,
[Normal]
00:32:251 (1,2) - But is it really okay to just let two circles with big different gaps between to follow the string sound? The slider ends the rhythm abruptly, making it sound so weird. Plus the two circles are following another sound, but the previous ones follows mostly one instrument, which makes a kind of inconsistency. I highly recommend to follow what I suggested.
hmm. In my opinion same as before. but I'm not newbie player, so don't understand their. I tried to another pattern for enjoying all players. Please give me check again.
00:39:451 (1,2,1) - The players play what they want to play, and making this pattern hard to read with weird movement is not a good thing. Basically, what you said about players to play Easy is not a good reason.
same as above
[Insane]
01:20:551 (5) - It would be nice if you elaborate more your reason. The measure that starts on 01:20:851 introduce a whole new rhythm, so a hitcircle would really emphasize that measure.
I agree, your suggestion is one of way. But now state is enough good.
(I feel well fit 01:21:001 (1-4,1-8) for this song. And, as a complement, 1:20: 551 (5) - is not bad.)
I tried your opinion, but can't more good by me. If possible, I am glad when you put code by your suggestion. It has potential.

thanks again :3

wring

596 posts

Joined February 2010

wring 2015-12-25T17:00:56+00:00

sheela901 wrote:
[wring's Hard]
00:33:751 (4,5,1) - 00:34:951 (4,5,1) - What is with the big spacing? It totally doesn't fit with the music, and it kind of adds a spike to the difficulty.
Sorry I think it goes well in these parts. And I intended to set those.
00:37:951 to 00:44:851 - 00:47:551 to 00:52:051 - The spacing passes to 0.80x, to 1.20x, making it a big inconsistency. Both parts are literally on a same tone. So why making them inconsistent in spacing? This makes it quite confusing whether it's a 1/1 rhythm or a 1/2 rhythm. You should stick with a short distance all the time in this part, I think it makes a better fit when the music goes all soft.
No. Your point showed only 00:49:051 (3,4) - but they're just jumps. I don't think soft part jump makes players confusing even if a hard diff used it. And 00:50:851 (2,3) - is a pair slider, it lead the next jump smoothly at 00:52:051 (1,2,3,4) - . I can understand your opinion about using 0.80x, but in 00:47:551 to 00:52:051 -, I need to put and lead music rhythm to next strong part. Inconsistent spacing doesn't suit for me in these parts according to my sense. Especially 00:49:651 (1,2,3) - could put 0.80x but it's too strange for me to play. So sorry no changed.

Thanks mod

terametis

1,140 posts

Joined April 2009

Topic Starter

terametis 2015-12-29T03:20:48+00:00

I'm waiting sheela because DQ by his opinion :3

Edit:
I asked him 9 days ago for recheck but he don't come.

It is very sad, but he wouldn't check my map. so I look for another person.

Satellite

3,683 posts

Joined June 2012

Satellite 2016-01-05T15:03:14+00:00

!summon sheela www

sheela

2,651 posts

Joined October 2011

sheela 2016-01-05T22:16:46+00:00

Sorry terametis. During the vacation, I honestly didn't have motivation to mod anything besides playing. And I was kind of down when you and wring deny most of my opinions, but that isn't the main point that I didn't mod during the break. You can search for another person, or wait again until I reply to this thread again.

sheela

2,651 posts

Joined October 2011

sheela 2016-01-07T02:49:26+00:00

Alright, here's my recheck. Sorry again for the delay.

[General]

There's only three words in the tags, and two are usernames. You should add more, like short version ending ed shoujo shiniki tengoku eikyuu yori eien ni キミ∽ツナグ kimi ~ tsunagu shoujo shiniki ~.

[Normal]

00:32:926 (1) - I'm not sure if you made a mistake, but shouldn't the spinner be on the downbeat 00:32:851 - ?

[Extra]

01:55:651 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - The streams I think overmapped won't be changed because of your reasons. So, my alternative suggestion is to shorten the spacing for this stream, or even stacked them all up, to make a better emphasis for what will come after due to the drums that are cleared and noticeable (basically 01:56:251 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ).
02:05:551 (6,7,8,9) - This is for the same thing as what's above (for 02:05:851 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1) - )
02:14:251 (1,2,3,4,5) - 02:14:701 (6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - ^ (and this is for 02:15:451 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) - )
02:01:051 (1,2,3,4) - Because of 02:01:126 (2,3) for not being consistent with the spacing, it actually bothers me to see it and I needed to point it out. So make this spacing constant and it should be fine.
01:23:251 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I did say this in my previous replies, but I seriously don't see what's the point of adding a stream here, when it doesn't currently match with the tone in this part, and that bothers me a lot. Ugh, I wish I could elaborate more, but my writing has a limit.

Alright, this may not be much, but it should be final from me. Good luck with the re-qualification!

some bla bla only for terametis lel

With the previous replies, I felt that I was imposing my mapping style into this map, and this is completely wrong from me. If you felt that way, I deeply apologize. I do still think that this map needs some more work, as this is not in our "generation", but it should make it to ranked in its current state. I also maybe could write more suggestions, but they would "forcedly" make this map into my own map. So, I just want to say sorry if I'm making you feel bad, and good luck to what will come to your mapset.

terametis

1,140 posts

Joined April 2009

Topic Starter

terametis 2016-01-07T12:27:02+00:00

sheela901 wrote:
Alright, here's my recheck. Sorry again for the delay.

[General]
There's only three words in the tags, and two are usernames. You should add more, like short version ending ed shoujo shiniki tengoku eikyuu yori eien ni キミ∽ツナグ kimi ~ tsunagu shoujo shiniki ~.
added shoujo shiniki tengoku
[Normal]
00:32:926 (1) - I'm not sure if you made a mistake, but shouldn't the spinner be on the downbeat 00:32:851 - ?
sorry for my stupid mistake. fixed
[Extra]
01:55:651 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - The streams I think overmapped won't be changed because of your reasons. So, my alternative suggestion is to shorten the spacing for this stream, or even stacked them all up, to make a better emphasis for what will come after due to the drums that are cleared and noticeable (basically 01:56:251 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ).
umm, I understand your opinion and nice pointed out. However, this map has care of the flow.
Honestly, I don't have experience of that kind of streams. Improve flow and put them.
It is too hard for me.
02:05:551 (6,7,8,9) - This is for the same thing as what's above (for 02:05:851 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1) - )
It feels to have been sufficiently emphasized by flow
02:14:251 (1,2,3,4,5) - 02:14:701 (6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - ^ (and this is for 02:15:451 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) - )
Wait a minute, there is a sound of the drum. 02:14:251 (1,2,3,4,5)
02:01:051 (1,2,3,4) - Because of 02:01:126 (2,3) for not being consistent with the spacing, it actually bothers me to see it and I needed to point it out. So make this spacing constant and it should be fine.
I agree completely.
01:23:251 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I did say this in my previous replies, but I seriously don't see what's the point of adding a stream here, when it doesn't currently match with the tone in this part, and that bothers me a lot. Ugh, I wish I could elaborate more, but my writing has a limit.
My opinion is same as before. Emphasis of vocal is "01: 22: 651", "01: 22: 951", and "01: 23: 251". Of these, "01: 22: 951 (3,4) " for drum, "01:23:251 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8)" for long tone. They are readable by design I think.
I want to hear for you. I put stream because "I want put stream"? no.
You know, this song have many tick sound. If I use them, I can put many many stream.
ex)01:42:751 (8) - , 01:47:551 (9) - , 02:01:651 (6,7,8,1) -
But I don't choose it. Because it is not fit for vocal or etc.
I placed a stream, in which there is a reason for me. I want you to know it.
sorry for my bad English
Alright, this may not be much, but it should be final from me. Good luck with the re-qualification!

some bla bla only for terametis lel
With the previous replies, I felt that I was imposing my mapping style into this map, and this is completely wrong from me. If you felt that way, I deeply apologize. I do still think that this map needs some more work, as this is not in our "generation", but it should make it to ranked in its current state. I also maybe could write more suggestions, but they would "forcedly" make this map into my own map. So, I just want to say sorry if I'm making you feel bad, and good luck to what will come to your mapset.
for sheela
As far as I know, vocal in stream hated from long ago by modder. However, I believe it is not for player. so I put it.
Thanks for checking many times for my old map.
If when I make next one for Ranked then, it maybe to fit modern lel

thanks really <3

Satellite

3,683 posts

Joined June 2012

Satellite 2016-01-11T13:26:38+00:00

recheck

Extra :
02:01:051 (1,2,3,4,5) - ?

02:06:376 (8,9) - ?

call me back

Edit : remove widescreen support check. and looks fine to me! So Rebubbled ~

Good job sheela901 (´・◡・｀)b

Garven

osu! Alumni

5,857 posts

Joined January 2010

Garven 2016-01-12T01:53:38+00:00

It's back! Fuck yeah!

Aphrodena

299 posts

Joined January 2014

Aphrodena 2016-03-11T20:55:00+00:00

Good luck! WE IN THIS TOGETHER

terametis

1,140 posts

Joined April 2009

Topic Starter

terametis 2016-03-11T23:24:26+00:00

Aphrodena wrote:
Good luck! WE IN THIS TOGETHER

Sonnyc

7,753 posts

Joined June 2008

Sonnyc 2016-04-12T04:37:41+00:00

[General]

Consider making yellow little bit darker. The reverse arrow for yellow combo was a bit hard to read during the kiai.

[Easy NA]

Well the tick sound feels too much imo. Mind using some custom slidertick with a lower volume, or something?

[Normal]

00:32:551 - Check missing claps. Easy and Hard too.
01:52:801 (1,1) - Due to the high bpm, the spinner recovery time felt a little insufficient. Ending at 01:54:751 is what I strongly recommend for a low difficulty.

[wring's Hard]

00:57:151 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Why the different spacing?
02:07:051 - Finish

[Insane]

00:32:551 (8,1) - I strongly believe this needs a higher spacing to indicate the rhythm properly. Yes it is readable enough, but considering the fast rhythm of the previous triples, placing a higher spacing or rather a total anti-jump would be more intuitive.
01:57:451 - Finish.
02:05:851 (10) - Combo went a bit long. Consider NC.

[Extra]

00:27:601 (10,11,12,13,14,15,1) - I've got a feeling here that you've converted the slider into the stream, and it failed due to the screen resolution. You might want to rearrange this pattern.
00:49:651 (1,2,3) - Something even closer to 0.4x please. Currently the follow points are visible.
00:50:551 (3,1) - 00:40:951 (3,4) - Combo consistency.
01:05:851 (10) - Consider NC since spacing change happened.
01:26:551 (1,2) - Spacing.

Sonnyc

7,753 posts

Joined June 2008

Sonnyc 2016-04-13T03:05:01+00:00

t/442557 Removing the video would be recommended due to the suggestive image. Or you could edit the video to insert some mosaic or something huehue

terametis

1,140 posts

Joined April 2009

Topic Starter

terametis 2016-04-13T11:06:23+00:00

Sonnyc wrote:
[General]
Consider making yellow little bit darker. The reverse arrow for yellow combo was a bit hard to read during the kiai.
[Easy NA]
Well the tick sound feels too much imo. Mind using some custom slidertick with a lower volume, or something?
[Normal]
00:32:551 - Check missing claps. Easy and Hard too.
01:52:801 (1,1) - Due to the high bpm, the spinner recovery time felt a little insufficient. Ending at 01:54:751 is what I strongly recommend for a low
difficulty
change to slider.
[Insane]
00:32:551 (8,1) - I strongly believe this needs a higher spacing to indicate the rhythm properly. Yes it is readable enough, but considering the fast rhythm of the previous triples, placing a higher spacing or rather a total anti-jump would be more intuitive.
01:57:451 - Finish.
02:05:851 (10) - Combo went a bit long. Consider NC.
[Extra]
00:27:601 (10,11,12,13,14,15,1) - I've got a feeling here that you've converted the slider into the stream, and it failed due to the screen resolution. You might want to rearrange this pattern.
00:49:651 (1,2,3) - Something even closer to 0.4x please. Currently the follow points are visible.
00:50:551 (3,1) - 00:40:951 (3,4) - Combo consistency.
01:05:851 (10) - Consider NC since spacing change happened.
01:26:551 (1,2) - Spacing.

All fixed other.

Sonnyc wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/442557 Removing the video would be recommended due to the suggestive image. Or you could edit the video to insert some mosaic or something huehue

ok remove.

thanks for mod really <3

wring

596 posts

Joined February 2010

wring 2016-04-13T11:26:08+00:00

Sonnyc wrote:
[wring's Hard]
00:57:151 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Why the different spacing?
02:07:051 - Finish

both fixed
and some parts fixed especial in kiai time
generalいじってないので、確認よろしくお願いします

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