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Myke B
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Myke B
Okay, here me out. I know Peppy says that he doesn't really need steam at the moment, but I think it would be so nice for more exposure. Right now (maybe it's just me) the forums are pretty dull, and it's the same stuff all of the time. I couldn't actually tell you how many legit new players join each week, but I would venture to say, that the majority are the same people. I'm not telling Peppy how to do his job, but the community is a lot in a game. I love Osu! a lot, and I would really like to see new people take an interest, and maybe spice up the forums a bit. Like I said, I don't think that I'm right, or this is the right choice, but I just thought I would add my two cents. Thanks for reading.

EDIT: Please keep replies with support or a reason of why you feel the way you do.
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Marcin
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Marcin
The problem is... we don't want more exposure than we actually have :X
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Myke B
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Myke B
Yeah, I realize that people keep saying that, but when will we want more exposure? What makes now any different than a year or two in the future. I don't see why it's such a bad thing to grow a community when the forums are being used by the same people over and over. Seeing the same stuff from seriously 2 years ago is just ridiculous. I go in the Gameplay and Rankings section, and people are commenting on posts made anywhere from months ago, to 2 years ago lol. WW has been number one for a looong time, and there are not enough top players that even care for that spot. It's going to get real old, real fast seeing the same stuff year after year. The reason why I brought this up, is to actively discuss with people, and why they think it's a bad idea. On the other posts, there are a lot of people that aren't in favor, but don't support themselves against counter arguments (because nobody will bring any up). I have a feeling that some "circle jerking"? might be going on.
Stefan
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Stefan
I am glad that osu! isn't that popular in this way. And I hope we can keep this for the next time.
Myke B
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Myke B

Stefan wrote:

I am glad that osu! isn't that popular in this way. And I hope we can keep this for the next time.
But why does it make you glad? And keep what for next time?
[Luanny]
8,248 posts
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[Luanny]

Stefan wrote:

I am glad that osu! isn't that popular in this way. And I hope we can keep this for the next time.
^this
we don't want this to be like LoL.
boat
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Joined February 2010
boat

Myke B wrote:

Right now (maybe it's just me) the forums are pretty dull
You really don't want the retards from the steam forums coming here.
Myke B
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Myke B

[Luanny] wrote:

Stefan wrote:

I am glad that osu! isn't that popular in this way. And I hope we can keep this for the next time.
^this
we don't want this to be like LoL.
I can give you about ten to twenty gaming communities that are larger than Osu! that are considered to have "good" communities. Just because a community is big, does not mean it has to be bad, or like LoL. Lets not kid ourselves here - Osu! will (probably) never be as large as LoL, and a big reason why the League community is considered "bad" is because how the game works. You have 5 random people matched up together against another 5 random people. All 5 people (probably under the age of 18) have to work together to achieve a victory that can take up to an hour long.. There are so many things wrong about that sentence, and all of a sudden Osu! becomes comparable to LoL, because the community would be larger?

boat wrote:

Myke B wrote:

Right now (maybe it's just me) the forums are pretty dull
You really don't want the retards from the steam forums coming here.
Maybe I don't, but I don't know that, and neither will anybody else if everyone is close minded.
Zare
1,512 posts
Joined March 2012
Zare
I am certain this has been thought through by the devs a LOT already, and they decided to keep it like this for now. I don't see anything wrong with that, and, no offense intended, I doubt you can bring up arguments that haven't been considered already.
Myke B
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Myke B

Zarerion wrote:

I am certain this has been thought through by the devs a LOT already, and they decided to keep it like this for now. I don't see anything wrong with that, and, no offense intended, I doubt you can bring up arguments that haven't been considered already.
It probably has, and it's okay, but I have to disagree with what they've chosen for now. The whole point of General Development is to move Osu! forward, and I believe this could be a way to do so. I also can't be for sure that they have thought about everything, and so I feel like I should post this. Maybe if I can change a few minds towards the subject, then it might help the chances. I 100% respect everyone's opinions as long as it's YOUR opinion, and I want to hear them.
Stefan
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Stefan

Myke B wrote:

But why does it make you glad? And keep what for next time?

boat wrote:

You really don't want the retards from the steam forums coming here.
These people as example. And they are even worse ones, imagine the community of LoL, here in osu!. You don't want this.

Myke B wrote:

It probably has, and it's okay, but I have to disagree with what they've chosen for now. The whole point of General Development is to move Osu! forward, and I believe this could be a way to do so.
This also can mean - and I am sure with that what I say - that this will take a step back instead forward.
Myke B
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Myke B

Stefan wrote:

These people as example. And they are even worse ones, imagine the community of LoL, here in osu!. You don't want this.
Who are "these people"? Please stop comparing LoL to Osu! communities please. Refer to my last huge post replying to the other guy who said something similar. It doesn't make sense to compare 2 games (that aren't even similar in any way, shape or form.) and say, just because the community will be big, means it will be shit. Makes zero sense.

Stefan wrote:

This also can mean - and I am sure with that what I say - that this will take a step back instead forward.
No. If I thought this would ultimately take osu! back a step, I wouldn't post it. Just because something was settled on, doesn't mean it's right. There are many real life examples, where this is true.
Stefan
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Stefan
It makes sense to compare things when they are "connected". People with a really bad attitude/behaviour in Steam find about osu! out. So they act like there in osu! too, Conclusion: More idiots in osu! which we do not need. Please respect that osu! is still a small game compared to other online games. peppy has its reason why he wouldn't add osu! for Steam, the devs too. And as you can see many other people around the community do not want this too. There will be tons of dead accounts created because the person who discovers osu! will download one-two Beatmaps and say it's nothing for himself. That's really not needed and we do not need more dead accounts. And yes, blablabla ofc this won't be every user but at least 200,000 of them will be. In fact osu! goes in the direction of a social network. And osu! isn't one. And I pray it never will be.

And a community where you have a good view about it is a lot better as a huge 10+ milion community where no one knows anyone.
Myke B
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Myke B

Stefan wrote:

It makes sense to compare things when they are "connected". People with a really bad attitude/behaviour in Steam find about osu! out. So they act like there in osu! too, Conclusion: More idiots in osu! which we do not need. Please respect that osu! is still a small game compared to other online games. peppy has its reason why he wouldn't add osu! for Steam, the devs too. And as you can see many other people around the community do not want this too. There will be tons of dead accounts created because the person who discovers osu! will download one-two Beatmaps and say it's nothing for himself. That's really not needed and we do not need more dead accounts. And yes, blablabla ofc this won't be every user but at least 200,000 of them will be. In fact osu! goes in the direction of a social network. And osu! isn't one. And I pray it never will be.

And a community where you have a good view about it is a lot better as a huge 10+ milion community where no one knows anyone.
I would keep trying to convince you otherwise, but you obviously stereotype all steam users as idiots, so I don't think there's a point. You don't think there are already people with bad attitudes that play Osu? You're right, it does make sense to compare things when they are "connected', that's why you would compare Osu! and steam, and not LoL like you did. If you honestly like replying to posts 2 years old, and seeing no new faces, and seeing the same top people on the score boards, and not seeing the game grow, then I guess you have your mind set.
Stefan
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Stefan

Myke B wrote:

I would keep trying to convince you otherwise, but you obviously stereotype all steam users as idiots, so I don't think there's a point.
There are exceptions, indeed.

Myke B wrote:

You don't think there are already people with bad attitudes that play Osu?
There are already ones, yes. But it's obvious that the amount of these people with bad attitude will increase when osu! is available per Steam. Simple logic.

Myke B wrote:

If you honestly like replying to posts 2 years old, and seeing no new faces, and seeing the same top people on the score boards, and not seeing the game grow, then I guess you have your mind set.
So you're since two years here, so you had noticed that osu! has grew up drastically over the last two years, don't you? Alone in 2013 we got over 1 milion new users. It's something I fear but that's a sign that osu! is growing up over the years without Steam or similar platforms.
Myke B
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Myke B

Stefan wrote:

Myke B wrote:

I would keep trying to convince you otherwise, but you obviously stereotype all steam users as idiots, so I don't think there's a point.
There are exceptions, indeed.

Myke B wrote:

You don't think there are already people with bad attitudes that play Osu?
There are already ones, yes. But it's obvious that the amount of these people with bad attitude will increase when osu! is available per Steam. Simple logic.

Myke B wrote:

If you honestly like replying to posts 2 years old, and seeing no new faces, and seeing the same top people on the score boards, and not seeing the game grow, then I guess you have your mind set.
So you're since two years here, so you had noticed that osu! has grew up drastically over the last two years, don't you? Alone in 2013 we got over 1 milion new users. It's something I fear but that's a sign that osu! is growing up over the years without Steam or similar platforms.
Yes, I agree. The number of idiots will grow, but is it not possible that the number of nice, and non-idiotic people will outshine them? Osu! is the type of game, where, I think that the majority of people with bad attitudes towards the game, just don't play it. Yes, It has grown, but as of recently (maybe it's just a crash or something) the forums are just dead, and I haven't seen any new top players really in a long time.

[quote=*Stefan*]1 milion new users[/quote]
Just curious, are those confirmed NEW users, or new accounts?
Hula
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Joined January 2013
Hula

Myke B wrote:

Yes, I agree. The number of idiots will grow, but is it not possible that the number of nice, and non-idiotic people will outshine them? Osu! is the type of game, where, I think that the majority of people with bad attitudes towards the game, just don't play it. Yes, It has grown, but as of recently (maybe it's just a crash or something) the forums are just dead, and I haven't seen any new top players really in a long time.
Then why don't you start by posting on the forums? It might help that if you think the community isn't active enough on the forums, that you actually try to be active on the forums.

inb4 bitchy-ass retort
Myke B
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Myke B

Hula wrote:

Myke B wrote:

Yes, I agree. The number of idiots will grow, but is it not possible that the number of nice, and non-idiotic people will outshine them? Osu! is the type of game, where, I think that the majority of people with bad attitudes towards the game, just don't play it. Yes, It has grown, but as of recently (maybe it's just a crash or something) the forums are just dead, and I haven't seen any new top players really in a long time.
Then why don't you start by posting on the forums? It might help that if you think the community isn't active enough on the forums, that you actually try to be active on the forums.

inb4 bitchy-ass retort
Why would you think that? But tbh, you should have probably checked to see if I am active on the forums, before implying that I'm not.
Mashley
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Mashley
osu! is full of illegal content, doesn't quite fit in with steam.
Myke B
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Myke B

Mashley wrote:

osu! is full of illegal content, doesn't quite fit in with steam.
Wow, I never thought of that. That's the first legitimate reason I've heard. Surely something could be figured out? but I guess it's possible that something couldn't.
boat
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boat

Mashley wrote:

osu! is full of illegal content
It's not.
WolfCoder
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WolfCoder
Actually osu! is not full of illegal content. Peppy is not breaking the law. Peppy is compliant with all relative laws:

https://osu.ppy.sh/p/terms
https://osu.ppy.sh/p/copyright

Osu! is not an illegal service. On top of being perfectly legal, it is much more moderated than similar user submitted content websites like Youtube as agreements with copyright holders can be upheld as a part of the beatmap submission process (humans actually can review every submission rather than some idiotic Content ID system). The fair use doctrine can also help in lots of cases- I was aware of this years ago when I tried beatmapping EVP by Astral Doors (the beatmap sucked so I graveyarded and deleted it at some point). I only mapped the first part of the song, fade-out clipped the music file, and would have taken it down anyway if I received a C&D.

Please do not go around saying osu! is illegal, it's a good way to have it catch all sorts of aggro from copyright trolls.
Myke B
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Myke B

WolfCoder wrote:

Actually osu! is not full of illegal content. Peppy is not breaking the law. Peppy is compliant with all relative laws:

https://osu.ppy.sh/p/terms
https://osu.ppy.sh/p/copyright

Osu! is not an illegal service. On top of being perfectly legal, it is much more moderated than similar user submitted content websites like Youtube as agreements with copyright holders can be upheld as a part of the beatmap submission process (humans actually can review every submission rather than some idiotic Content ID system). The fair use doctrine can also help in lots of cases- I was aware of this years ago when I tried beatmapping EVP by Astral Doors (the beatmap sucked so I graveyarded and deleted it at some point). I only mapped the first part of the song, fade-out clipped the music file, and would have taken it down anyway if I received a C&D.

Please do not go around saying osu! is illegal, it's a good way to have it catch all sorts of aggro from copyright trolls.
Thank you for clearing that up. I just assumed that since the skrillex incident, that there could be lots more potential situations.
Zare
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Zare
So from what I've seen, basically, osu! itself isn't breaking the law. It's the mappers that are uploading copyrighted music without having the permissions or licenses to do so. (And be honest, most of us don't have said permissions for most of the songs we upload.)
I doubt Steam would support the way this is handled. In theory, we could remove all the illegal files and add the game to steam afterwards, but then osu! would be kinda boring, as it would lack beatmaps.

Correct me if I say something wrong.
Myke B
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Myke B

Zarerion wrote:

So from what I've seen, basically, osu! itself isn't breaking the law. It's the mappers that are uploading copyrighted music without having the permissions or licenses to do so. (And be honest, most of us don't have said permissions for most of the songs we upload.)
I doubt Steam would support the way this is handled. In theory, we could remove all the illegal files and add the game to steam afterwards, but then osu! would be kinda boring, as it would lack beatmaps.

Correct me if I say something wrong.
I mean.. That sounds about right. That's kinda what I was saying about the skrillex case in one way or another. If it can happen once, couldn't it happen again?
Shohei Ohtani
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It's sort of illegal like Marijuana is illegal in the United States (aka. It's against the law but authorities really don't give a shit like smh niggas be postin their dank kush on instagram be like "lol blaze it #420 #yolo #swiggin). The sharing of music files without consent of the publishing company for free is theoretically illegal activity, and theoretically pirating. However, nobody really cares anymore to really bother, and any person could search up "[Song Title] mp3 download" and get it instantly.

If I were to e-mail a lot of large publishing companies that had content on the game, there'd be a LOT of stuff removed (see. Whoever the fuck does K-On! like they remove shit from youtube lol 10/10). It's mostly a matter of "they don't really give enough of a shit to look around everywhere for it on somewhat obscure websites like osu!"

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If osu! were on Steam, it'd have to be like osu!stream or something to avoid issues and constant DMCA stuff.
boat
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boat

CDFA wrote:

It's sort of illegal like Marijuana is illegal in the United States (aka. It's against the law but authorities really don't give a shit like smh niggas be postin their dank kush on instagram be like "lol blaze it #420 #yolo #swiggin).
If to use dank as an analogy then the osu! client is the equivalent of selling a bong.

Distributing the osu! client through steam should have no legal issues, the beatmaps however will not be available through steam and thus it would be redundant. Other than publicity, there are no benefits. You can manually add the game to your library if you want to use the overlay.
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Myke B
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Myke B
Yeah, I was gonna say. Steam might act as "that" guy who is super paranoid about smoking, and doesn't want anything to do with it. Not to say "that" guy is wrong or right, or bad or good. I could see that being a problem.
Myke B
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Myke B

boat wrote:

CDFA wrote:

It's sort of illegal like Marijuana is illegal in the United States (aka. It's against the law but authorities really don't give a shit like smh niggas be postin their dank kush on instagram be like "lol blaze it #420 #yolo #swiggin).
If to use dank as an analogy then the osu! client is the equivalent of selling a bong.

Distributing the osu! client through steam should have no legal issues, the beatmaps however will not be available through steam and thus it would be redundant. Other than publicity, there are no benefits. You can manually add the game to your library if you want to use the overlay.
Isn't my whole point about publicity? It's pretty obvious that, that is the only benefit. What this whole thing is really about, is people have this "circle jerk" mentality, and that change is bad, and they come up with these statements with nobody saying anything against it. That statement being "Osu! doesn't need to be bigger". I want to challenge that statement, because I don't think anyone really is. That, and I'm sick the forums being so freakin' dull, and no new top players.
WolfCoder
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WolfCoder

boat wrote:

...If to use dank as an analogy then the osu! client is the equivalent of selling a bong...
No.

It's nothing like any of you have described. Peppy is using the DMCA safe harbor laws. This means all of us become responsible for our conduct so long as the website complies. It's ironic the same law that causes so many copyright troll problems is the same law that protects osu!

There are many games on Steam which can accept user content and use the same laws (you can often read them in the terms and conditions you're shown before install / account registering). This is not an issue that would prevent osu! from being on Steam. However, it would take lots of resources and time to be on Steam and it would be ultimately pointless. Those 'free' games on Steam are actually 'freemium' and use Steam as a method to sell digital virtual goods.
Myke B
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Myke B

WolfCoder wrote:

boat wrote:

...If to use dank as an analogy then the osu! client is the equivalent of selling a bong...
No.

It's nothing like any of you have described. Peppy is using the DMCA safe harbor laws. This means all of us become responsible for our conduct so long as the website complies. It's ironic the same law that causes so many copyright troll problems is the same law that protects osu!

There are many games on Steam which can accept user content and use the same laws (you can often read them in the terms and conditions you're shown before install / account registering). This is not an issue that would prevent osu! from being on Steam. However, it would take lots of resources and time to be on Steam and it would be ultimately pointless. Those 'free' games on Steam are actually 'freemium' and use Steam as a method to sell digital virtual goods.
"pointless", but who's to say it would? It's generally accepted that it would bring it more popularity. So the discussion isn't whether it would, rather would it be good or bad. The whole copyright talk was a bit of a sidetrack. All I was saying, is that if it happened once, it could happen again, and that could potentially be a turn-off to steam or whatever.
WolfCoder
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WolfCoder
Well you are legally allowed to use your avatar picture despite not having express permission from TOEI animation, right? This is just my commentary, not actual legal advice, but this isn't what's stopping osu! from being on steam. Steam is a store service, so Peppy would have to talk to Valve about what could be done first and that takes lots of money and time.
Myke B
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Myke B

WolfCoder wrote:

Well you are legally allowed to use your avatar picture despite not having express permission from TOEI animation, right? This is just my commentary, not actual legal advice, but this isn't what's stopping osu! from being on steam. Steam is a store service, so Peppy would have to talk to Valve about what could be done first and that takes lots of money and time.
And I understand that, that is not what's stopping peppy. What's stopping him is that he doesn't really feel a need to. I'm just trying to have people take a different look at the whole thing. :)
Rewben2
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Rewben2
I'd support it if it was going to go through, I don't see the negatives in increasing the playerbase. More people to compete with, more people to talk with, "tournaments" will be bigger, etc. I doubt the "stupid playerbase of steam" (which is a huge generalisation and I don't even believe is true,) will affect the osu community.
Espionage724
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Espionage724

Myke B wrote:

Zarerion wrote:

So from what I've seen, basically, osu! itself isn't breaking the law. It's the mappers that are uploading copyrighted music without having the permissions or licenses to do so. (And be honest, most of us don't have said permissions for most of the songs we upload.)
I doubt Steam would support the way this is handled. In theory, we could remove all the illegal files and add the game to steam afterwards, but then osu! would be kinda boring, as it would lack beatmaps.

Correct me if I say something wrong.
I mean.. That sounds about right. That's kinda what I was saying about the skrillex case in one way or another. If it can happen once, couldn't it happen again?
Not really related to this thread, but I'm curious about the Skrillex case... what happened?

As for osu! on Steam, I think it would be a nice idea. I might suggest actual cross-platform compatibility first though, that way, it could be launched on Steam across Windows, OS X, and Linux.
aBunny
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aBunny
"stupid people" will join no matter where the players come from. its just the matter of how fast they join.
the only thing i see stopping peppy from releasing it to steam is the server load required as others have said.
RBRat3
osu!painter
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RBRat3

Espionage724 wrote:

Not really related to this thread, but I'm curious about the Skrillex case... what happened?
Simple, osu! respects the DMCA... A claim was made to take it down... it got taken down that is all.
http://osu.ppy.sh/p/copyright
Myke B
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Myke B

sarasseo wrote:

"stupid people" will join no matter where the players come from. its just the matter of how fast they join.
the only thing i see stopping peppy from releasing it to steam is the server load required as others have said.
Exactly.. All I'm saying is, there would be more tournaments, more top players, more activity on the forums, and people are worried about stupid people joining? Come on lol.
quaternary
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quaternary
osu! isn't designed for a community much larger than this one. #osu is already just borderline readable at peak hours, imagine if it moved 5x as fast? it would be pretty much unusable

you can't just "boop! now we have more people." you have to redesign the whole frontend & backend & even the community itself to support everyone in such a way that isn't awkward, hacky, or unstable. only a few potential problems:
* the people on steam refusing to pay for anything, including supporter, unless it is on sale;
* rising operation costs would only compound that;
* osu! will then need to be more aggressivley monetized;
* the whole idea of in-game chat becoming unusable due to it being more like a tidal wave;
* f9 expanded chat crashing from all the tabs;
* incredible server costs;
* no company wants to host something with such incredibly high cpu, mem, and bandwidth usage;
* community being much too difficult to moderate ("get more mods" is not an answer here, that's not how moderation works);
* more disk space needed for the larger amount of replays;
* cheating would be a much bigger problem than it already is today;
* more downtime (think ddos-time, all the time);
* when osu! goes down, it will take longer to come up;
*** because resetting larger databases / taking more data out of storage takes longer than less;
*** because of the steam idiots who think that refreshing a page every 5 seconds makes a service come back online faster;
* when something drastic happens and data is deleted, it will affect more people
Myke B
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Myke B
:lol:

tuddster wrote:

osu! isn't designed for a community much larger than this one. #osu is already just borderline readable at peak hours, imagine if it moved 5x as fast? it would be pretty much unusable

you can't just "boop! now we have more people." you have to redesign the whole frontend & backend & even the community itself to support everyone in such a way that isn't awkward, hacky, or unstable. only a few potential problems:
* the people on steam refusing to pay for anything, including supporter, unless it is on sale;
* rising operation costs would only compound that;
* osu! will then need to be more aggressivley monetized;
* the whole idea of in-game chat becoming unusable due to it being more like a tidal wave;
* f9 expanded chat crashing from all the tabs;
* incredible server costs;
* no company wants to host something with such incredibly high cpu, mem, and bandwidth usage;
* community being much too difficult to moderate ("get more mods" is not an answer here, that's not how moderation works);
* more disk space needed for the larger amount of replays;
* cheating would be a much bigger problem than it already is today;
* more downtime (think ddos-time, all the time);
* when osu! goes down, it will take longer to come up;
*** because resetting larger databases / taking more data out of storage takes longer than less;
*** because of the steam idiots who think that refreshing a page every 5 seconds makes a service come back online faster;
* when something drastic happens and data is deleted, it will affect more people
90% of everything in here is stupid lol. I'm sorry, but it honestly sounds like you have no idea what you are talking about. Just to cover some stuff (because there is no way I'm going over every individual stupid thing) -
you can't just "boop! now we have more people." you have to redesign the whole frontend & backend & even the community itself to support everyone in such a way that isn't awkward, hacky, or unstable. only a few potential problems:
I'm almost 100% sure, you have no idea how peppy runs or operates, or how servers operate in general lol.
the people on steam refusing to pay for anything, including supporter, unless it is on sale;
The game is free.. why the fuck does it matter if they want to pay.. You do also realize that a good percent of people who play Osu!, also play steam, league, etc. right? It's not like the # of supporters will go down because of more people joining? That is literally the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
the whole idea of in-game chat becoming unusable due to it being more like a tidal wave;
Implying that it isn't already a clusterfuck of stupid.
incredible server costs;
Peppy already said that, that wasn't the problem lol.
more disk space needed for the larger amount of replays;
by the sounds of things, it doesn't sound like you know anything. Only the top 50 score's replays are saved.. So it doesn't make a difference unless there are a fuck ton of songs that don't already have top 50 people (which is not true at all lol).
cheating would be a much bigger problem than it already is today;
Yes, because it's a HUGE deal right now lol. Someone was obviously cheating, and cheated to get the number 1 score on big black. In a few hours it was taken down.. Anyone who isn't cheating to get rank top 50 scores on high PP songs, nobody cares about..
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