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mancuso_JM_
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I'll complete my mod in a few hours.

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13:04 mancuso_JM_: bueno.. lo miramos aca entonces jaja
13:05 mancuso_JM_: para que te hago un copy/paste de lo unico que habia sugerido xD
13:05 mancuso_JM_: 00:46:462 (2) - No estoy tan de acuerdo con el uso de este 3/2 acá. Me parece que hay otros lugares donde podría ir mejor (como por ejemplo 00:42:573 - ) porque sigue mejor la voz, pero usaste un 2/1. En este caso puede que siga algo el instrumental, pero el sonido que aparece no es lo suficientemente fuerte como para seguirlo.
13:05 mancuso_JM_: Por tal motivo, te recomiendo usar un 2/1 (con repetición) que va a seguir la voz más correctamente (también te puedo sugerir un 1/1 pero tampoco es tan necesario cubrir todo en una Easy xD). Si lo haces no te olvides de agregar "Finish Drums" en la repetición y al final del slider xD.
13:06 mancuso_JM_: aunque cada vez que escucho eso, cada vez empieza a tener mas sentido, pero buee..
13:07 narakucrimson: jajajaja
13:07 narakucrimson: acordate que para mi tuvo sentido cuando lo hice y cuando lo jugue
13:07 narakucrimson: probaste a cambiarlo=
13:07 narakucrimson: ?
13:08 mancuso_JM_: igual creo que el 2/1 le pega jaja
13:08 mancuso_JM_: si, obvio
13:08 mancuso_JM_: lo probe, lo juge y le agregue los drum finish esos
13:08 narakucrimson: claro
13:08 narakucrimson: mi razonamiento en realidad
13:08 narakucrimson: fue tratar de introducir el ritmo de alguna manera
13:08 narakucrimson: por eso primero puse un 2/1
13:08 narakucrimson: para que sea algo bien facil
13:08 narakucrimson: y despues meter algo un poco distinto asi el jugador lo va interpretando
13:08 narakucrimson: pero ta
13:09 mancuso_JM_: pero como el primer slider ya habias usado una repeticion sobre el tick rojo, me parecio raro
13:10 narakucrimson: claro
13:10 narakucrimson: mira el primer slider de los dos
13:10 narakucrimson: no me parece cambiarlo
13:10 narakucrimson: creo que esta bien asi
13:10 narakucrimson: y el segundo como es la sugerencia?
13:10 narakucrimson: 2/1?
13:11 mancuso_JM_: la idea es que quede 00:46:462 - igual que 00:42:573 (4) - en tema de longitud
13:11 mancuso_JM_: claro
13:13 narakucrimson: ta
13:13 narakucrimson: lo hago
13:13 narakucrimson: el drum en donde iria para vos?
13:13 narakucrimson: nada
13:13 narakucrimson: ya lei jajaj
13:13 mancuso_JM_: en la repeticion y al final
13:13 mancuso_JM_: jajajaa
13:13 narakucrimson: ta
13:13 narakucrimson: listo!
13:15 mancuso_JM_: 01:38:684 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - eso fue lo otro que me llamo la atención, como que el ritmo no es totalmente constante pero usaste solo notas
13:15 mancuso_JM_: la idea tampoco es romper la simetria, pero en algunos lugares algun slider juega bien
13:15 mancuso_JM_: principalmente (5,6) y (7,8)
13:18 narakucrimson: ta puse unos sliders redondeados
13:18 narakucrimson: ahora cuando lo actualice lo ves
13:18 narakucrimson: agregue drum finishes tambien
13:18 mancuso_JM_: dale gas
13:19 mancuso_JM_: lo gracioso de ser moderador es que puedo poner iconos en los mapas jajaja, pero si los llego a usar me matan jaja
13:19 narakucrimson: jajaja
13:20 narakucrimson: ahi actualice
13:20 narakucrimson: si queres ver
13:22 narakucrimson: si queres escribite los cambios en el foro
13:22 narakucrimson: y ya te doy kudosu
13:23 mancuso_JM_: nah.. tranqui, tampoco soy un psiquiatrico por los kudos jaja
13:23 mancuso_JM_: por cierto..
13:23 mancuso_JM_: 02:19:795 (2,3) - [https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9453137 curvitas pls]
13:23 *mancuso_JM_ runs*
A little things about Easy, I'll do the rest here.

[General]

  1. No tags? :c
[Aleks' Normal]

  1. 00:40:907 (1,2) - I don't think this stack is really readable to "average" players because it's between a note placed in 1/1 and a slider placed over a blue tick, I know it's a manual stack but still it won't play that good in this difficulty. In addition, looking at the whole map I think this is the only one around it, so would be better to place (1) or (2) in other site.
  2. 00:46:462 (3,4) - Playing the map in general, I recommend you to unstack these too. Basically because your map has a lot of polarity changes and stacks could be difficult if you don't use them in a constant way. I recommend you to only use 1/2 stacks in this difficulty.
  3. 01:20:629 (4,1) - Try unstacking these two as well. This is not that necessary as the previous suggestions, but I feel you can emphasize better this section if you do that.
  4. 01:45:351 (1,3) - This overlap looks weird and not really neat during the gameplay. Would be better to fix that so this pattern can be more enjoyable, I see you have a spinner 8 seconds later so you probably can remap some things here and there.
  5. 01:49:795 (1,2) - This pattern is not following properly the music because there isn't any high pitch over 01:50:768 - basically. I recommend you to use something like this, with the first slider you're going to follow drums properly and with the second one you're going to follow vocals in a good way.
  6. 03:06:740 (1,2,3) - I'd say the flow between these three notes is not the best. What about stacking them as you did in 02:13:407 - ?

    - Not bad in general, my suggestions focused on the composition of the map in general and how to make it more readable for "average" players, in that kind of difficulties where you used a lot of rhythm changes (that it's understandable due the music) you should do that as clear as you can.
    Saying that, I've to say the usage of 3/4 patterns are not hard at all in this difficulty because of the low BPM (just in case anybody want to say something about it hehe)
[Insane]

  1. 00:43:268 (2) - Creo que sería mejor mover esta nota 1/2 hacia adelante. Posiblemente hayas hecho esto para no ser tan repetitivo al comienzo, pero la música suena así y sería mejor respetarla.
  2. 01:04:657 (x) - Siento que hay un beat importante sin nota aqui. ¿Qué te parece agregar una?

    - Solo eso, la verdad me gusta como juega por eso no quiero tocar mucho esta dificultad jeje.
Bueno eso es todo (Por cierto, no tengo nada para agregar en la Hard xD).
Bienvenido de vuelta y espero que te ayude. Arreglando los problemitas en la Normal creo que estaría pronto.
Mucha Suerte!
Topic Starter
narakucrimson

mancuso_JM_ wrote:

*Placeholder*

I'll complete my mod in a few hours.

[]

irc
13:04 mancuso_JM_: bueno.. lo miramos aca entonces jaja
13:05 mancuso_JM_: para que te hago un copy/paste de lo unico que habia sugerido xD
13:05 mancuso_JM_: 00:46:462 (2) - No estoy tan de acuerdo con el uso de este 3/2 acá. Me parece que hay otros lugares donde podría ir mejor (como por ejemplo 00:42:573 - ) porque sigue mejor la voz, pero usaste un 2/1. En este caso puede que siga algo el instrumental, pero el sonido que aparece no es lo suficientemente fuerte como para seguirlo.
13:05 mancuso_JM_: Por tal motivo, te recomiendo usar un 2/1 (con repetición) que va a seguir la voz más correctamente (también te puedo sugerir un 1/1 pero tampoco es tan necesario cubrir todo en una Easy xD). Si lo haces no te olvides de agregar "Finish Drums" en la repetición y al final del slider xD.
13:06 mancuso_JM_: aunque cada vez que escucho eso, cada vez empieza a tener mas sentido, pero buee..
13:07 narakucrimson: jajajaja
13:07 narakucrimson: acordate que para mi tuvo sentido cuando lo hice y cuando lo jugue
13:07 narakucrimson: probaste a cambiarlo=
13:07 narakucrimson: ?
13:08 mancuso_JM_: igual creo que el 2/1 le pega jaja
13:08 mancuso_JM_: si, obvio
13:08 mancuso_JM_: lo probe, lo juge y le agregue los drum finish esos
13:08 narakucrimson: claro
13:08 narakucrimson: mi razonamiento en realidad
13:08 narakucrimson: fue tratar de introducir el ritmo de alguna manera
13:08 narakucrimson: por eso primero puse un 2/1
13:08 narakucrimson: para que sea algo bien facil
13:08 narakucrimson: y despues meter algo un poco distinto asi el jugador lo va interpretando
13:08 narakucrimson: pero ta
13:09 mancuso_JM_: pero como el primer slider ya habias usado una repeticion sobre el tick rojo, me parecio raro
13:10 narakucrimson: claro
13:10 narakucrimson: mira el primer slider de los dos
13:10 narakucrimson: no me parece cambiarlo
13:10 narakucrimson: creo que esta bien asi
13:10 narakucrimson: y el segundo como es la sugerencia?
13:10 narakucrimson: 2/1?
13:11 mancuso_JM_: la idea es que quede 00:46:462 - igual que 00:42:573 (4) - en tema de longitud
13:11 mancuso_JM_: claro
13:13 narakucrimson: ta
13:13 narakucrimson: lo hago
13:13 narakucrimson: el drum en donde iria para vos?
13:13 narakucrimson: nada
13:13 narakucrimson: ya lei jajaj
13:13 mancuso_JM_: en la repeticion y al final
13:13 mancuso_JM_: jajajaa
13:13 narakucrimson: ta
13:13 narakucrimson: listo!
13:15 mancuso_JM_: 01:38:684 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - eso fue lo otro que me llamo la atención, como que el ritmo no es totalmente constante pero usaste solo notas
13:15 mancuso_JM_: la idea tampoco es romper la simetria, pero en algunos lugares algun slider juega bien
13:15 mancuso_JM_: principalmente (5,6) y (7,8)
13:18 narakucrimson: ta puse unos sliders redondeados
13:18 narakucrimson: ahora cuando lo actualice lo ves
13:18 narakucrimson: agregue drum finishes tambien
13:18 mancuso_JM_: dale gas
13:19 mancuso_JM_: lo gracioso de ser moderador es que puedo poner iconos en los mapas jajaja, pero si los llego a usar me matan jaja
13:19 narakucrimson: jajaja
13:20 narakucrimson: ahi actualice
13:20 narakucrimson: si queres ver
13:22 narakucrimson: si queres escribite los cambios en el foro
13:22 narakucrimson: y ya te doy kudosu
13:23 mancuso_JM_: nah.. tranqui, tampoco soy un psiquiatrico por los kudos jaja
13:23 mancuso_JM_: por cierto..
13:23 mancuso_JM_: 02:19:795 (2,3) - [https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9453137 curvitas pls]
13:23 *mancuso_JM_ runs*
A little things about Easy, I'll do the rest here.

[General]

  1. No tags? :c
[Aleks' Normal]

I'll take care of these since they are simple fixes.

  1. 00:40:907 (1,2) - I don't think this stack is really readable to "average" players because it's between a note placed in 1/1 and a slider placed over a blue tick, I know it's a manual stack but still it won't play that good in this difficulty. In addition, looking at the whole map I think this is the only one around it, so would be better to place (1) or (2) in other site. Done
  2. 00:46:462 (3,4) - Playing the map in general, I recommend you to unstack these too. Basically because your map has a lot of polarity changes and stacks could be difficult if you don't use them in a constant way. I recommend you to only use 1/2 stacks in this difficulty. I don't agree, this one seems readable enough
  3. 01:20:629 (4,1) - Try unstacking these two as well. This is not that necessary as the previous suggestions, but I feel you can emphasize better this section if you do that. Because of how 01:19:518 (2,3) are stacked, I think this is simple enough to understand
  4. 01:45:351 (1,3) - This overlap looks weird and not really neat during the gameplay. Would be better to fix that so this pattern can be more enjoyable, I see you have a spinner 8 seconds later so you probably can remap some things here and there. Okay, moved things around a little but kept the same sliders in order not to alter the map itself so much.
  5. 01:49:795 (1,2) - This pattern is not following properly the music because there isn't any high pitch over 01:50:768 - basically. I recommend you to use something like this, with the first slider you're going to follow drums properly and with the second one you're going to follow vocals in a good way. Oh come on Juan Mattos, the tick? Really? xD Let the man follow the rhythm he intends to hahaha
  6. 03:06:740 (1,2,3) - I'd say the flow between these three notes is not the best. What about stacking them as you did in 02:13:407 - ? I think that, because of how this is a very climatic moment in the song, some more movement adds to the general feeling. Keeping this as is.

    - Not bad in general, my suggestions focused on the composition of the map in general and how to make it more readable for "average" players, in that kind of difficulties where you used a lot of rhythm changes (that it's understandable due the music) you should do that as clear as you can.
    Saying that, I've to say the usage of 3/4 patterns are not hard at all in this difficulty because of the low BPM (just in case anybody want to say something about it hehe)
[Insane]

  1. 00:43:268 (2) - Creo que sería mejor mover esta nota 1/2 hacia adelante. Posiblemente hayas hecho esto para no ser tan repetitivo al comienzo, pero la música suena así y sería mejor respetarla. En realidad a mi me suena más coherente así como está, y en cuanto a repetición está así en otros lados como 00:39:795 (2,3) -
  2. 01:04:657 (x) - Siento que hay un beat importante sin nota aqui. ¿Qué te parece agregar una? Si, esto tiene pila de sentido. La agrego.

    - Solo eso, la verdad me gusta como juega por eso no quiero tocar mucho esta dificultad jeje.
Bueno eso es todo (Por cierto, no tengo nada para agregar en la Hard xD).
Bienvenido de vuelta y espero que te ayude. Arreglando los problemitas en la Normal creo que estaría pronto.
Mucha Suerte!

Graciaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
Alarido
Modding on my own (:

[General, or the mapset as a whole]

1. Add Alexs719 to tags since he owed you a GD in this mapset. [AiBAT 3.1]

2. Remember snap green lines to the timeline -- by snapping each one to its nearest tick right before the one you placed a note/head/tail/slidertick. [AiBAT 3.1]

3. Difficulty settings (considered as whole thing for the mapset) would be something like these (for an example):


4. Taking the mapset's difficuly balance in consideration (as looking at star diff ratings only), they would suggest you the harshness of the Hard diff would be increased a bit (would suggest something around 2.8~3.1 star) by adjusting some pattern, rhythm or something else here or there, etc.
However, it's maybe just star diff fault. I've played both and their harshness (of one related to other) feel right for me, then should not be a great problem. In terms, I would consider bubble this too if I could (:

♥ About [Easy] and [Alexs' Normal] : both feel very very good, almost perfect imho ♥

[Hard]
02:17:157 - A note would be added here as a complement for the rhythm, placed at (x:128 y:112).
02:22:712 - Another note would be added here as a complement for the rhythm, stacked with 02:22:851 (5) - .

[Insane]
♥ Feels amazing too (:

Ganbatte kudasai ^^

Att.
ZekeyHache
hello there
me recuerdas? :v

mancuso_JM_ wrote:

jeje.
jeje.

mancuso_JM_ wrote:

hehe
hehe

[General]
  1. As Alarido already suggested, add Alexs719 to tags since he's participating in your set. Also add Medal of Honor: Warfighter as the source since this song is featured in that game; adding the game as the source should be a must since the song was made for that game (most obvious evidence), and don't forget to add Living Things to tags since it's the album where this song belongs.
  2. Tu mapa contiene elementos del hitcircle set, el cual no esta completo, por favor añade los elementos requeridos para completarlo, o simplemente elimina los objetos si no quieres batallar. Para mas info visita aqui.
  3. El BPM correcto es 216. La verdadad me soprendio que estuviera a 108, asi que revise el thread para ver si alguien lo habia mencionado antes, y al parecer si lo habian mencionado, pero no diste razon para negarlo. Simplemente dijiste que aleks habia respondido eso, pero el hablaba de que el ritmo en su diff estaba bien y menciono ese bpm como ejemplo (como que el 1/4 que el usa en realidad es 1/2 por que el bpm es en 216), el no nego ahí que el bpm fuera 216.
  4. De verdad no piensas añadir kiai de 01:56:462 - a 02:32:018 - ? :c
[Easy]
  1. 01:19:240 (2,1) - Este overlap no se ve intencional, y aunque lo sea no se ve bien
  2. 01:43:129 (1) - el spacing esta algo off comparando el objeto anterior con el previo (0.82x vs 0.96x)
  3. 02:01:462 (2,4) - que tal hacerlos stack?
  4. 02:09:240 (4) - spacing off de nuevo, notable
  5. 02:32:018 (5) - nc para consitencia
[Aleks's Normal]
  1. 00:57:295 (2,1) - & 00:58:407 (2,1) - you're mapping the same rhythm in both of these patterns; however, one of them consists of a stack and the other uses regular spacing, please choose one way to represent it since it can cause confusion + that inconsistency isn't appealing
[Insane]
  1. 03:16:462 (10) - nc para consistencia
Call me back~
Topic Starter
narakucrimson
I'll check this asap. My dad is in the hospital and I haven't had time to go through the mod.
Aleks719
http://puu.sh/ym50s/e9d4471e97.osu

here is my update, accepted ezek's comment + own fixes.
Topic Starter
narakucrimson

Alarido wrote:

Modding on my own (: Great :D

[General, or the mapset as a whole]

1. Add Alexs719 to tags since he owed you a GD in this mapset. [AiBAT 3.1] Added

2. Remember snap green lines to the timeline -- by snapping each one to its nearest tick right before the one you placed a note/head/tail/slidertick. [AiBAT 3.1] That's not necessary

3. Difficulty settings (considered as whole thing for the mapset) would be something like these (for an example):

Played around with the values a liiiitle


4. Taking the mapset's difficuly balance in consideration (as looking at star diff ratings only), they would suggest you the harshness of the Hard diff would be increased a bit (would suggest something around 2.8~3.1 star) by adjusting some pattern, rhythm or something else here or there, etc.
However, it's maybe just star diff fault. I've played both and their harshness (of one related to other) feel right for me, then should not be a great problem. In terms, I would consider bubble this too if I could (:

♥ About [Easy] and [Alexs' Normal] : both feel very very good, almost perfect imho ♥ Hey! Thanks! :D

[Hard]
02:17:157 - A note would be added here as a complement for the rhythm, placed at (x:128 y:112). It seems a bit forced imo
02:22:712 - Another note would be added here as a complement for the rhythm, stacked with 02:22:851 (5) - . Okay also added a note 02:23:823 cause it sounded weird if i didn't

[Insane]
♥ Feels amazing too (:

Ganbatte kudasai ^^

Att.
Thank youuuu!
Topic Starter
narakucrimson

ezek wrote:

hello there
me recuerdas? :v

mancuso_JM_ wrote:

jeje.
jeje.

mancuso_JM_ wrote:

hehe
hehe

[General]
  1. As Alarido already suggested, add Alexs719 to tags since he's participating in your set. Also add Medal of Honor: Warfighter as the source since this song is featured in that game; adding the game as the source should be a must since the song was made for that game (most obvious evidence), and don't forget to add Living Things to tags since it's the album where this song belongs. All set!
  2. Tu mapa contiene elementos del hitcircle set, el cual no esta completo, por favor añade los elementos requeridos para completarlo, o simplemente elimina los objetos si no quieres batallar. Para mas info visita aqui. Ya agregué todo. Asumo que los componentes sliderstart y sliderend son iguales al hitcircle normal, y que es solo para evitar conflictos como dice en la info que me pasaste.
  3. El BPM correcto es 216. La verdadad me soprendio que estuviera a 108, asi que revise el thread para ver si alguien lo habia mencionado antes, y al parecer si lo habian mencionado, pero no diste razon para negarlo. Simplemente dijiste que aleks habia respondido eso, pero el hablaba de que el ritmo en su diff estaba bien y menciono ese bpm como ejemplo (como que el 1/4 que el usa en realidad es 1/2 por que el bpm es en 216), el no nego ahí que el bpm fuera 216. Arreglado
  4. De verdad no piensas añadir kiai de 01:56:462 - a 02:32:018 - ? :c Es que el momento epico es al final, despues de todo el buildup :P
[Easy]
  1. 01:19:240 (2,1) - Este overlap no se ve intencional, y aunque lo sea no se ve bien Bueno ok lo movi un poco hacia abajo
  2. 01:43:129 (1) - el spacing esta algo off comparando el objeto anterior con el previo (0.82x vs 0.96x) Quedo un poco retocado
  3. 02:01:462 (2,4) - que tal hacerlos stack? Sinceramente no creo que cambie nada jaja igual lo hice
  4. 02:09:240 (4) - spacing off de nuevo, notable Arreglado
  5. 02:32:018 (5) - nc para consitencia ok
[Aleks's Normal]
  1. 00:57:295 (2,1) - & 00:58:407 (2,1) - you're mapping the same rhythm in both of these patterns; however, one of them consists of a stack and the other uses regular spacing, please choose one way to represent it since it can cause confusion + that inconsistency isn't appealing
[Insane]
  1. 03:16:462 (10) - nc para consistencia En este caso no... Me parece que es mas cohesivo asi, al igual que 02:32:018 (4). Simplemente se ve extraño
Call me back~
Thank you for the detailed mod!
I'll make sure to send you a pm :D
ZekeyHache
'Cause I'm only a crack in this bubble of glass
Alarido
gratz ^^
Topic Starter
narakucrimson
Oh nice :D Thanks!
Topic Starter
narakucrimson
To any ranking Nominator:

  1. The circle at 03:16:462 (10) - moved without me noticing. Please let me fix that before ranking.
  2. I would like the in-game title to be displayed at 01:29:795
Thanks!
Kurai
Fix that and I'll qualif. Also, I set the dislay title to 01:29:795
Topic Starter
narakucrimson

Kurai wrote:

Fix that and I'll qualif. Also, I set the dislay title to 01:29:795
Done!
Kurai
naraku is back \o/
Aurele
yay!
Topic Starter
narakucrimson
:D
pw384
gratz!
Nozhomi

Kurai wrote:

naraku is back \o/
Wew is that real ?
Topic Starter
narakucrimson

Nozhomi wrote:

Kurai wrote:

naraku is back \o/
Wew is that real ?
Yes :D
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