actually I've made at least one map and know more about it than you doDeathxShinigami wrote:
Vote: Two
He's not a mapper.
vote ASH for being a douchebag last game and hurting the town
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vote ASH for being a douchebag last game and hurting the town
I AM A PIRATEWojjan wrote:
vote 0_o, talk like a pirate day is over. Only awp can look like a pirate now.
You say that like its his fault that you guys offed him before he got the chance to respond >_>Two wrote:
vote ASH for being a douchebag last game and hurting the town
I don't remember last game tbh so it may have been a werewolf game that I'm talking about. All I know is that I walked away from a game with that thought.
I tend to ignore 'inb4's.... even though I do use it myself.adam2046 wrote:
I have no idea if you even read my post.MarioBros777 wrote:
"No Hitter" was the TF2 achievement for Scout in which you must capture the intelligence without firing a shot.
That and his avatar is full of taunt kills.
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Vote: adam To use someone's reasoning is not a reason to vote for them and it sounds very Mafia like.
I mean, I can't let you get away with that... You scum.
First to use the word "scum".
Vote: Mario
Vote: Mario
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So you admit I caught you!MarioBros777 wrote:
I can see why it's called NEWBIE mafia now. >_>strager wrote:
First to use the word "scum".
Vote: Mario
Wait
Scum = Mafia?
Scum = Mafia?
yesNoHItter wrote:
Wait
Scum = Mafia?
I should read the wiki then...
We should all roleclaim.
We should all roleclaim.
Yeeeeeeeea-
No
No
I like your thinking.adam2046 wrote:
Neeeeeeee-
Yes
You first strager
Me first?Agent Spin Here wrote:
You first strager
I admit strager...MarioBros777 wrote:
So you admit I caught you!strager wrote:
I can see why it's called NEWBIE mafia now. >_>
...you are a noob... You've caught me in the act in calling you a noob. Well done.
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Vote: strager Reason: Surprise, fool!
OMGUS?
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...So what?
I voted for you because you voted for me... *gasp* Am I going to die now or-- Actually, don't answer that.
I voted for you because you voted for me... *gasp* Am I going to die now or-- Actually, don't answer that.
I doubt you're that smart though, judging by your reaction...Teh wiki wrote:
Occasionally a Scum player will use it to cover a strategic vote, feigning outrage to get someone else closer to a lynch.
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Unvote.
Vote NoHItter.
Vote strager
No attacking TF2 players pls.
Vote strager
No attacking TF2 players pls.
Should we have a vote tally or something?
Look at NoHItter buddying with MB.
Also he considered voting himself.
Also he considered voting himself.
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Right you are.Wojjan wrote:
you're all fools
What, he is?adam2046 wrote:
Look at NoHItter buddying with MB.
The nerve...
Unvote
And I am left with being undecided. The next vote I make after this is final because I'm sick of where this is going and I want to stab the Mafia.
It's more difficulty to incriminate someone without hard evidence.NoHItter wrote:
Frankly I'm getting bored with the outcome as of now. I thought we would be heavily discussing who the Mafia is by now.
Sure, you could perform a vote analysis, but this is the RVS and most votes would throw the results off.
I'm confirming my vote on Mario because he seems to want to accelerate the game to the Night phase. Either he is an aux, is a Mafia, or doesn't know what he's saying.
My thoughts exactly except prettier.
Though I don't want to off him incase of the former being true.
Though I don't want to off him incase of the former being true.
Isn't it the mod's job to vote tally?
05:15 < strager|irc> MarioBros777: Most people defend themselves etc.
05:15 < strager|irc> ehh I should be posting this
05:15 < strager|irc> ehh I should be posting this
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vote DeathxShinigami
I know this pattern when I see it. Mafia makes an RVS vote and doesn't bother returning because whatever they say might raise suspicion. So pretty much vote for lurking
I know this pattern when I see it. Mafia makes an RVS vote and doesn't bother returning because whatever they say might raise suspicion. So pretty much vote for lurking
This post is full of fail.MarioBros777 wrote:
This is why I hate RVS... It doesn't make you think logically...
Vote: NoHItter
Because of this...Bandwagoning early in the game seems Mafia like.adam2046 wrote:
Look at NoHItter buddying with MB.
There IS meaning behind votes in the RVS, because they have comments with them and they have patterns.
Buddying is not related to bandwagonning. Buddying is where one player "buddies" with another to try to earn some sort of immunity or protection, or where Mafia buddy together (WIFOM: Mafia distance each other).
Here's the current bandwagon results:
No jumped on bandwagon (1) against ASH with Mario
DxS jumped on bandwagon (1) against Two with strager
ASH jumped on bandwagon (2) against Two with strager DxS
0_o jumped on bandwagon (1) against strager with adam
No jumped on bandwagon (2) against Two with DxS ASH
Mario jumped on bandwagon (1) against adam with strager
Mario jumped on bandwagon (1) against strager with 0_o
No jumped on bandwagon (2) against strager with Mario 0_o
Wojjan jumped on bandwagon (1) against No with adam
Mario jumped on bandwagon (2) against No with adam Wojjan
Cross-reference list:
- No: 1, 2, 2 (3)
- Mario: 1, 1, 2 (3)
- ASH: 2 (1)
- 0_o: 1 (1)
- DxS: 1 (1)
- Wojjan: 1 (1)
Interesting how more experienced players have not bandwagonned (much) and less experienced players have bandwagonned more.
Also interesting is that both No and Mario have been accused of buddying and both have jumped on the most bandwagons.
But they seem to love jumping on bandwagons with me and you.
We're too good for them.adam2046 wrote:
But they seem to love jumping on bandwagons with me and you.
I'll look at other Mafia games and see how valid this is in practice.Wojjan wrote:
vote DeathxShinigami
I know this pattern when I see it. Mafia makes an RVS vote and doesn't bother returning because whatever they say might raise suspicion. So pretty much vote for lurking
Now it's getting exciting!
(What are bandwagons...)
(and RVS?)
(What are bandwagons...)
(and RVS?)
Read the wiki harder.
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Crazy Mafia 1
Mafia: Echo
Echo D1: adam (L-0)
Echo D2: Pasonia (L-1)
This game was pretty small, and Echo is an experienced player. He didn't lurk at all.
Crazy Mafia 2
This kinda fell apart, I think. I forgot who was Mafia. xD And I'm not gonna re-read the thread to find out.
Crazy Mafia 3
Derekku gave up. Sucks.
Horrendously Unfair Mafia
There's absolutely no point in analyzing this.
Mafia 4
Mafia: 0_o, LS
0_o D1: Pasonia (L-4), Wojjan (L-4), strager (L-2), Wojjan (L-4), SFG (L-2), strager (L-2?), Pasonia (L-3), strager (L-1)
LS D1: SFG (L-4), strager (L-4), -, strager (L-4)
0_o D2: Pasonia (L-3?), -, Pasonia (L-0)
LS D2: Pasonia (L-1)
0_o D3: LS (L-2), rust (L-1)
LS D3: rust (L-0)
0_o D4: LS (L-1)
LS D4: 0_o (L-1)
It is clearI wasn't liked LS exhibited lurker behaviour, but 0_o certainly didn't. No conclusion, as it seems to be just play style.
Continuing...
Mafia: Echo
Echo D1: adam (L-0)
Echo D2: Pasonia (L-1)
This game was pretty small, and Echo is an experienced player. He didn't lurk at all.
Crazy Mafia 2
This kinda fell apart, I think. I forgot who was Mafia. xD And I'm not gonna re-read the thread to find out.
Crazy Mafia 3
Derekku gave up. Sucks.
Horrendously Unfair Mafia
There's absolutely no point in analyzing this.
Mafia 4
Mafia: 0_o, LS
0_o D1: Pasonia (L-4), Wojjan (L-4), strager (L-2), Wojjan (L-4), SFG (L-2), strager (L-2?), Pasonia (L-3), strager (L-1)
LS D1: SFG (L-4), strager (L-4), -, strager (L-4)
0_o D2: Pasonia (L-3?), -, Pasonia (L-0)
LS D2: Pasonia (L-1)
0_o D3: LS (L-2), rust (L-1)
LS D3: rust (L-0)
0_o D4: LS (L-1)
LS D4: 0_o (L-1)
It is clear
Continuing...
Newbie Mafia 3
Mafia: Echo, Lucidity
Echo D1: Ivalsetto (L-4)
Lucidity D1: kuu (L-3), strager (L-1)
Echo D2: adam (L-1)
Lucidity D2: adam (L-4)
Echo D3: Ivalsetto (L-1)
Lucidity D3: Ivalsetto (L-0)
Not much voting going on by either. Not much voting going on by anyone, though. Not a thorough game by any means. I find no conclusion from this other than Echo lurked.
Newbie Mafia 5
Mafia: Echo, strager
Echo D1: adam (L-3), -, strager (L-2)
strager D1: adam (L-4), ASH (L-4), Echo (L-4), gamerrox (L-4), Rolled (L-3), m980 (L-2?)
Echo D2: ASH (L-1)
Echo D3: (none)
Very similar to M4. 'Nuff said.
I'll maybe do more later.
Mafia: Echo, Lucidity
Echo D1: Ivalsetto (L-4)
Lucidity D1: kuu (L-3), strager (L-1)
Echo D2: adam (L-1)
Lucidity D2: adam (L-4)
Echo D3: Ivalsetto (L-1)
Lucidity D3: Ivalsetto (L-0)
Not much voting going on by either. Not much voting going on by anyone, though. Not a thorough game by any means. I find no conclusion from this other than Echo lurked.
Newbie Mafia 5
Mafia: Echo, strager
Echo D1: adam (L-3), -, strager (L-2)
strager D1: adam (L-4), ASH (L-4), Echo (L-4), gamerrox (L-4), Rolled (L-3), m980 (L-2?)
Echo D2: ASH (L-1)
Echo D3: (none)
Very similar to M4. 'Nuff said.
I'll maybe do more later.
General conclusion: none. I didn't look at Townie vote patterns. D'oh.
But I'm not gonna. I'm lazy. =[
But I'm not gonna. I'm lazy. =[
well, I've noticed that the first person to talk about statistics has a 70% chance to be a werewolf/mafia ^_^
Ahahaha...My first vote against me <3
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Vote: NoHItter
Unvote
Vote: NoHItter
Bandwagon
Fine I'll roleclaim. It's the best thing to do right??? According to the wiki???The Wiki wrote:
Several Votes on the same player to try to Lynch them or force them to roleclaim; especially used if the votes come in quick succession and without independent reasons.
Aux?
I checked the wiki. . .
I checked the wiki. . .
Aux = Auxillary role = cop/doctor in this game.
Seeing as you are not in imminent danger of being lynched there is no reason to roleclaim, and I would advise against it. If you are the Cop, you only have a 50/50 shot of being protected by a doctor tonight, so your role could go right to waste with zero results. If you are the Doctor, you are pretty much dead meat tonight since you can't protect yourself. If you are a vanilla townie, claiming townie is pointless because that's what you would want the mafia to think if you were an aux, and that's what you would want to the town to think if you were mafia (basically there is no reason to believe you anyway). If you are mafia.. then go ahead and do whatever you want
So yeah. Keep your role to yourself for today (unless you are about to be lynched) (or are the mafia)
Seeing as you are not in imminent danger of being lynched there is no reason to roleclaim, and I would advise against it. If you are the Cop, you only have a 50/50 shot of being protected by a doctor tonight, so your role could go right to waste with zero results. If you are the Doctor, you are pretty much dead meat tonight since you can't protect yourself. If you are a vanilla townie, claiming townie is pointless because that's what you would want the mafia to think if you were an aux, and that's what you would want to the town to think if you were mafia (basically there is no reason to believe you anyway). If you are mafia.. then go ahead and do whatever you want
So yeah. Keep your role to yourself for today (unless you are about to be lynched) (or are the mafia)
Roleclaim, faggot
ok are we actually considering a NoHItter lynch or are the people voting him still RVS-ing
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Why do the new guys get targeted first 
Still. Exciting game!!!!
Still. Exciting game!!!!
It's easier to pick out tells on them because most of the time they're not thinking about the consequences of their actions.NoHItter wrote:
Why do the new guys get targeted first
Also, they're less likely to bring a logical reason contrary to an argument against them, making them easier to be kept as a target.
Newbies are easy to sheep for a similar reason.
Newbies also tend to focus on less important things, diverting the Town from something important.
Combine these and you see why the Mafia would find newbies valuable and Townies would be wary of them.
Unvote
Vote: DxS
Did you vote me randomly or something?
Vote: DxS
Did you vote me randomly or something?
When's the deadline?
I have four votes.
One more vote and I'll be lynched.
Of course, I'd be worried...
So I'll just say this as my possibly final remark
I'll just leave it for you to decide...
One more vote and I'll be lynched.
Of course, I'd be worried...
So I'll just say this as my possibly final remark
So yeah, I'm pro-town.Some Guy in the Official Mafia forums wrote:
Lynching a townie is worse than lynching a mafia.
I'll just leave it for you to decide...
NoHItter wrote:
I have four votes. obv
One more vote and I'll be lynched. duh
So I'll just say this as my possibly final remark four more days T_TobvSome Guy in the Official Mafia forums wrote:
Lynching a townie is worse than lynching a mafia.
So yeah, I'm pro-town. that's what mafia also says
NoHItter wrote:
I have four votes.
Am I/strager missing something here?strager's vote count wrote:
No: adam, DxS, Mario (3)
Someone kill NoHItter, I'm not cold enough to do it.
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That's a very convincin-no.
Unvote
Vote: Two
That's just silly, you silly billy, you.
Don't think your wiles will work on me.
Unvote
Vote: Two
That's just silly, you silly billy, you.
Don't think your wiles will work on me.
Two it would be nice if you actually attached logic onto your bursts of insight instead of stating a conclusion with zero evidence to support it. Simply saying he isn't mafia isn't actually useful to anyone.
WIFOM ALERT!
END WIFOM ALERT!Two wrote:
try to use your head for once, adam
if both of us were mafia then me saying that he's not without a reason would only put suspicion on myself, and if I got lynched then what was the point of me saying that? once either of us died it'd be obvious that the other was really mafia too
if only I was a mafia member then what do I gain from saying that he's not? nothing
if he was a mafia member and not me, then what do I gain from saying that he's not? nothing
good lord it's like I'm teaching a kindergartener
if you don't consider motive then you might as well go play candyland
I was nice enough to do the work for you
I was nice enough to do the work for you
Ahaha, yeah...work.
Two says something very suspicious.
adam says "hey, that's suspicious!" and votes.
Two says "no, why would I say that if it's suspicious? I'm obviously telling the truth! See?"
I sense something wrong.
adam says "hey, that's suspicious!" and votes.
Two says "no, why would I say that if it's suspicious? I'm obviously telling the truth! See?"
I sense something wrong.
Wait a second!
Adam doesn't post! Get him!
Adam doesn't post! Get him!
why would I make an unnecessary post that could incriminate myself if I was mafia? I could have easily just sat back and let you vote off a member of the town
don't vote for NoHItter, please
don't vote for NoHItter, please
Uh, okay.Two wrote:
why would I make an unnecessary post that could incriminate myself if I was mafia? I could have easily just sat back and let you vote off a member of the town
don't vote for NoHItter, please
Vote: No
Your defense is based on WIFOM. The fact you bring it up and it's your only defense to something you created suggests you are intentionally bringing the WIFOM about.
Don't think you wouldn't get caught, scum.
Vote: Two
wifom is a stupid acronym
but you should keep using it, as it matches
but you should keep using it, as it matches
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This makes No look more Town. Newbie scum wouldn't suggest a roleclaim. I'm willing to bet No is Vanilla, or wants to claim Vanilla (~ 70% Vanilla, 15% Doctor, 15% Mafia).
That's all I got from a reread.
EDIT (quite late): Changed "bed" to "bet". It was bugging me, okay?
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This makes No look more Town. Newbie scum wouldn't suggest a roleclaim. I'm willing to bet No is Vanilla, or wants to claim Vanilla (~ 70% Vanilla, 15% Doctor, 15% Mafia).
That's all I got from a reread.
EDIT (quite late): Changed "bed" to "bet". It was bugging me, okay?
How about you give a reason not to vote for NoHItter, Two?
More like:Agent Spin Here wrote:
How about you give a reason not to vote for NoHItter, Two?
Give a reason you believe No is Town, Two.
So far all he's done is create his own evidence then base his case off that.
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Just because they agree doesn't mean Two doesn't have to explain his reasonings.NoHItter wrote:
You yourself said that 85% I was town...
I just don't think that he's mafia. Honestly I think at least 1 person out of these three people are mafia: strager, ASH or adam, just by looking at how you three vote. I don't know who the second is but NoHItter really doesn't come across as mafia to me. Also, Wojjan hasn't been very memorable in this game whether that's his intention or not.
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No, I'm interested in what you have to say about Two's initial comment and his defensive argument.
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Can you explain this please?NoHItter wrote:
Errr...
Reverse psychology?
In NM2, both 0_o and I were town and 0_o defended me, sorta. That's not to say the Mafia can't do it, but I don't believe defending another is a Mafia tell.NoHItter wrote:
I'm thankful that he's trying to defend me and all, but something feels weird...
Right; the Mafia have to look like Town to not get lynched and complete their objective.NoHItter wrote:
I've seen that most mafia tend to "blend" in by either pretending to lynch someone who is suspicious, or defending the obviously innocent/ new at this game.
And you're not "obviously innocent"; there's no conclusive proof in your favor.
Ummm. Look at how he replies. He casts doubt on himself so people will suspect him, but not to the point of lynching.strager wrote:
Can you explain this please?
Not defending another, but more of something a mafia can do to shake people of their tail.strager wrote:
In NM2, both 0_o and I were town and 0_o defended me, sorta. That's not to say the Mafia can't do it, but I don't believe defending another is a Mafia tell.
I was generalizing here...strager wrote:
Right; the Mafia have to look like Town to not get lynched and complete their objective.
And you're not "obviously innocent"; there's no conclusive proof in your favor.
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I would say that I fail in these analytic conversations...
fyi I've been town in every werewolf/mafia game that I've played in; it would be easy to see when I'm not
More reason to vote for you.Two wrote:
fyi I've been town in every werewolf/mafia game that I've played in; it would be easy to see when I'm not
If I'm right, that's no reason to vote for someone.strager wrote:
More reason to vote for you.Two wrote:
fyi I've been town in every werewolf/mafia game that I've played in; it would be easy to see when I'm not
It's a logical fallacy I think.
We don't know if Two would act different if he were mafia since he hasn't actually been mafia.
...Pretty good chance to find out?
...Pretty good chance to find out?
I thought he was mafia in evry game he played?adam2046 wrote:
We don't know if Two would act different if he were mafia since he hasn't actually been mafia.
...Pretty good chance to find out?