Because it is?StormR1d3r wrote:
...why are some people saying its all preference?
WolfCoder wrote:
Because it is?
You're guaranteed to get completely different and/or biased answers in a thread like this. There are top players that use all 4 of the common types of switches (not just in osu!, but in other PC-based rhythm games too), and you'll find different arguments for each. There really isn't any "best switch", it's just a matter of finding the switch that has a feel that suits you and getting used to it.StormR1d3r wrote:
Either provide information or don't say anything. Saying 'it's preference' helps nobody.WolfCoder wrote:
Because it is?
It does not matter if there are some top players who use different switches than reds and still are able to do nicely since you can become good with any of those switches given enough practice. Why does that mean one type of switches can't be 'better' than the rest for osu ? Next part: Suppose you like to play on some fucked up rubber dome keyboard that requires you to have viking hands to be able to even press a button. Does that mean said keyboard is "best" for you? No, I don't think so. It just means you have a shitty taste. So why would there be no difference with the different kinds of switches ? Liking them matters, yes, but you can get used to red switches just as easily at the cost of some time if you initially find them uncomfortable or whatever so that is not a problem.YayMii wrote:
You're guaranteed to get completely different and/or biased answers in a thread like this. There are top players that use all 4 of the common types of switches (not just in osu!, but in other PC-based rhythm games too), and you'll find different arguments for each. There really isn't any "best switch", it's just a matter of finding the switch that has a feel that suits you and getting used to it.
shhhh, i was just spectating random people below 5000rank, don't mind meYayMii wrote:
also, I noticed you trying to spectate me earlier... I was screwing around with a 1px x 1px cursor. I don't suck that much.
I'm pretty sure I didn't have to have Hands of the Viking to play my crappy membrane and hammer keyboard.StormR1d3r wrote:
Next part: Suppose you like to play on some fucked up rubber dome keyboard that requires you to have viking hands to be able to even press a button. Does that mean said keyboard is "best" for you? No, I don't think so...
And I'm pretty sure all those pro players with fancy mechs will instantly suck ass on garbage under the label "rubberdome keyboard".WolfCoder wrote:
I'm pretty sure I didn't have to have Hands of the Viking to play my crappy membrane and hammer keyboard.StormR1d3r wrote:
Next part: Suppose you like to play on some fucked up rubber dome keyboard that requires you to have viking hands to be able to even press a button. Does that mean said keyboard is "best" for you? No, I don't think so...
I'm also sure the pros could kick ass on anything and chew bubble gum, it really is entirely preference based. The performance ends with you.
have you tried asking WWW and cookiezi if they got that much better from getting a mech keyboard?StormR1d3r wrote:
And I'm pretty sure all those pro players with fancy mechs will instantly suck ass on garbage under the label "rubberdome keyboard".
WWW did nice on freedom dive cause of the instant benefit reds gave him and so did cookiezi. Why is it all preference again ?
Mech keyboards allow you to express your skill better than rubber dome keyboards and red switches surely have proven themselfs by now to be the best at that.
WWW uses blues.StormR1d3r wrote:
And I'm pretty sure all those pro players with fancy mechs will instantly suck ass on garbage under the label "rubberdome keyboard".
WWW did nice on freedom dive cause of the instant benefit reds gave him and so did cookiezi. Why is it all preference again ?
Mech keyboards allow you to express your skill better than rubber dome keyboards and red switches surely have proven themselfs by now to be the best at that.
Yes they do.IppE wrote:
Neither will automatically make you better.
There isn't a universal membrane switch; each rubber-dome and scissor-switch keyboard will vary from one to the other in some way, shape, or form. I've played on some really crappy rubber-dome keyboards, but I also own a Macbook Air (which has one of the best scissor-switch keyboards I've ever used). That really doesn't tell me anything about rubber-dome vs scissor-switch. You really can't generalize membrane keyboards like that; it only makes sense for mechanical keyboards as most of them have switches made by Cherry. But I digress.MiDNiGhT2903 wrote:
Anyway, rubberdome is not that bad, at least its better than scissor switch.
http://www.keyboardco.com/blog/index.ph ... -switches/Me168 wrote:
Can somebody please explain what Switches are, because I might want to stop using my Laptops Keyboard (I think Switches are for Keyboard from what Im reading) so that they don't break
boat wrote:
have you tried asking WWW and cookiezi if they got that much better from getting a mech keyboard?
you're obviously exaggerating the difference between it and all you're making yourself look out to be is some mech keyboard lover
The whole rubber dome thing doesn't apply here, since mechanical keyboards are objectively better, stamina-wise and consistency-wise.Mech keyboards > rubber dome switches, my example just shows there IS a difference there, and it can be inferred that there is also difference between the different types of switches. I don't know about consistency, but reds proves to be superior than all others stamina-wise. Tactile feedback is all about mental, so they'll only help a little with stability for a short while, if they do that at all.
As for the different switch types, they're all pretty much equal consistency-wise (aside from Blues, which are slightly less consistent since they use 2-part plungers rather than the single-part plungers that other switches use). In the end, it's up to the user to decide if they want a switch that provides them more stamina (Reds), tactile feedback (Browns/Blues) or higher elastic potential energy (Blacks). They each have their own benefits, and there's no point discrediting the others because so-and-so got a good score on x map.
I don't understand what you said here but i'll try to explain where you did wrong last time. The problem with what you said is that you compared rrtyui with www, which is senseless. We know that their skill is not equal. As I said two times before, you can become better with enough practice regardless of switches. So why would comparing rrtyui with www show anything ? However, if you pick one of them and compare their performance with blue switches vs performance with red switches, then you can get meaningful results. WWW proved it last night by getting a #1 on Freedom dive and getting that crazy combo+accuracy in one play. Few days ago he could barely pass freedom dive let alone get anywhere near to the combo he got yesterday. What does this show, you ask ? it shows www can express his skill better with reds than with blues. Same train of thought if you look at cookiezi. Why do I have to ask them when their performance already speaks for itself ?buny wrote:
could you stop putting words in my mouth?
I never said that playing better means improving skill level.
Like I said before, go ask WWW or cookiezi if they really did get such a boost from blue->red before you go spouting out all your rage text.
3 weeks time is a very large difference, and comparing scores of the 2 players is as valid of a point as how you're trying to make yours out, by saying that reds are superior whereas a red player is getting beaten by a blue.
For all we know rrtyui could have failed tutorial with reds, got blues and started to fc everything
i went to reds from blues and still can't stream for shitLuckyStrike wrote:
WWW said reds are the stamina hack.
he was going on ss up to 1400 combo with reds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idOu_2z0POg) - he never was that good on blues.
nuff said.
I never said that. I just said that instead of saying it's "preference", you should explain WHY it's preference or what might cause the differences in preference.buny wrote:
Also pooptartsonas, yes there are difference in switches but that doesn't mean that one switch is always going to be better than the others
The shit you say. Elitist please go.Wishy wrote:
if you are a bad player you will stay there no matter what you use.
Browns + o-rings = op for learning to not bottom out.Soulg wrote:
learning to not bottom out is hard
why is this game so hardddd
Are you even trying? Due to the lack of information in your post I'm going to make a plausible assumption: this fucker uses a special technique that takes advantage of browns and their thing with feeling the keys register. Switching to reds will naturally throw him of for a bit so he'll have to make some effort to adopt in order to get the full potential of reds. If my assumption is correc then his half-assed attempt at "trying reds" doesn't show jackshit.YayMii wrote:
All of the points you've been making are completely irrelevant to the original topic in question. OP asked for Reds vs Browns, not Reds vs Blues. As far as I know, none of the pros you've mentioned use Browns (except for WWW, but that's beside the point).
And if all you're going to do is use pro players as examples for your argument, I'll do the same:
Meet Staiain. He's considered one of, if not the best StepMania and osu!mania 4K player in the world, although he does play a bit of standard mode on the side (not quite pro level though). He uses Browns.
Here's a video of him FCing an unranked endless-stream version of Freedom Dive on osu!.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecyNfc4cA7Y (you can find more impressive SM plays on his channel)
I'll just throw this quote in here too: "The thing with brown is, you can feel when the key registers, so you can play fast stuff without bottoming out the buttons while still having control. this is harder with red and black." (control is more important in SM though, since there's 4 individual note keys and the timing windows work differently)
He also said it himself that he plays faster with Browns than with Reds, although comparing the two are pretty much personal preference (due to them being identical aside from the bump).
The shit you say. Elitist please go.Stop being a pussy and accept that you are terrible. The world doesn't revolve around you and isn't forced to suck on your dick 24/7.
All switches are good in their own respects really. Blues give that click which some players use to help reinforce their timing. Blacks due to their weight can help you hit slower to hit more consistently. Browns have a smooth bump which can be felt to not bottom out and conserve energy and go faster. Reds just don't have anything to prevent your fingers from doing what they do so a lot of people enjoy them because of this freedom. Of course nothing is going to make you better, but stuff that isn't comfortable for you to play with can really hold you back. Reds aren't the best switch because everyone plays differently. Everything has their strength and weaknesses. With blues that click can irritate some people, with blacks the switches can be too heavy and nerf your stamina a lot, browns can feel a bit sticky on the inputs at times. Reds can feel like it's giving no feedback so it's really difficult to control what your fingers are doing plus you can waste a lot of energy due to bottoming out since there's nothing to stop you.No, they aren't. reds are best, read previous posts before posting.
i think sm players are best with blues. (only few people use red.) personally i prefer red sw.YayMii wrote:
All of the points you've been making are completely irrelevant to the original topic in question. OP asked for Reds vs Browns, not Reds vs Blues. As far as I know, none of the pros you've mentioned use Browns (except for WWW, but that's beside the point).
And if all you're going to do is use pro players as examples for your argument, I'll do the same:
Meet Staiain. He's considered one of, if not the best StepMania and osu!mania 4K player in the world, although he does play a bit of standard mode on the side (not quite pro level though). He uses Browns.
Here's a video of him FCing an unranked endless-stream version of Freedom Dive on osu!.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecyNfc4cA7Y (you can find more impressive SM plays on his channel)
I'll just throw this quote in here too: "The thing with brown is, you can feel when the key registers, so you can play fast stuff without bottoming out the buttons while still having control. this is harder with red and black." (control is more important in SM though, since there's 4 individual note keys and the timing windows work differently)
He also said it himself that he plays faster with Browns than with Reds, although comparing the two are pretty much personal preference (due to them being identical aside from the bump).
Look through his YouTube videos. He did use a Corsair Vengeance K95 (Red) exclusively for several months, and you can see that he made several videos while using them, before reaffirming his preference for his Qpad MK-50 (Brown). I would hardly consider that much time as a "half-assed attempt".StormR1d3r wrote:
Are you even trying? Due to the lack of information in your post I'm going to make a plausible assumption: this fucker uses a special technique that takes advantage of browns and their thing with feeling the keys register. Switching to reds will naturally throw him of for a bit so he'll have to make some effort to adopt in order to get the full potential of reds. If my assumption is correc then his half-assed attempt at "trying reds" doesn't show jackshit.
Yeah, Freedom Dive is actually quite slow compared to a lot of stuff you can find on SM (which can reach somewhere around 260-270bpm IIRC).[FX] AEM wrote:
i think sm players are best with blues. (only few people use red.) personally i prefer red sw.
freedomdive only 220bpm. << i must say this is easy for him.
