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Kalafina - Kimi no Gin no Niwa

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Star Stream
2,031 posts
Joined June 2010
Star Stream

384059043 wrote:

way to map a song. By creating a new sound track with hitsounds and circles and sliders
You said, then you should know what's 'overmapping' now. Because you said

384059043 wrote:

And also it gives us a chance to experience the music like a musician but not a game player
Still we both mappers and players can enjoy by creating sounds/playing with the created sounds when it's pending.

No offense. just playing with the nonsense
Ozato Fumika
Beatmap Nominator
3,379 posts
Joined July 2013
Ozato Fumika
no comment

I should have a heavy metal drummer drum for 50 bpm song next time and make it 200 bpm

It would fit so well because

384059043 wrote:

it gives us a chance to experience the music like a musician but not a game player, that means people will enjoy both the map and the music in an active way.
and

384059043 wrote:

By creating a new sound track with hitsounds and circles and sliders, the map shows the music perfectly.

384059043 wrote:

So I think that the map is not so-called "overmapped" :D
I think someone is mind fucked

384059043 wrote:

Always following the music without adding the mapper's own ideas towards the music will be frustrated and tasteless, isn't it?
adding the mapper's own ideas?

mapping isn't enough of ideas?
Last edited by Ozato Fumika , edited 2 times in total.
Bearizm
1,213 posts
Joined October 2013
Bearizm

Irreversible wrote:

the map is really cool but the additive mapping doesn't really fit sometimes ._. 02:47:006 (1,2,3,4) - this is just too much :o
Oh, confirmed. Now, there's no such things as overmapping \o/ there's now.... ADDITIVE MAPPING.

Well.... I like the hitsounds.... :/

But it's just really sad to see my favorite song mapped this way. It shouldn't be like this.

And No Dap couldn't have explained things any better. Well said.
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Kibbleru
osu! Alumni
5,844 posts
Joined August 2013
Kibbleru
well i have no comments for this but it's not really unrankable i don't think since this one got ranked;

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/37716

all the drums and stuff were added via hitsounds
pw384
2,286 posts
Joined January 2012
pw384
Well why you guys are so serious? That's just different attitude towards mapping lol
Garven
osu! Alumni
5,857 posts
Joined January 2010
Garven
Just took a quick glance at the Extra since it's causing a stir.

You can't silence the ends of sliders like that. Looking at the custom drum-hitnormal.wav
So much new combo spam all over the map... That breaks the HP drain ya know. It also doesn't fit with the song at all and is geared more towards the patterns which is the worst way to utilize new combos.
As for the overmapping, I find some of it okay, but a large majority to be pretty bad against the song. Most of the ones that just sound really bad are the extra whistles everywhere. They put an emphasis on the wrong parts of the stanza and leaves the listener in an unbalanced state.
The speed changes looked pretty unreasonable too. Get tick rate 2 in here if you want to pull that kind of stuff off, though I don't recommend it for this song.
Hollow Wings
1,514 posts
Joined July 2010
Topic Starter
Hollow Wings
i've been thinking about how to reply u guys for a long time, and here's this:

well, this map's song, what do u feel from it? not my map's type? and it may not the type in your mind to me as well

then i set stuffs in that way, that's all. as for what purpose i did this, i can only say it's the way i express the music.

to irre: hmm????? uh... i don't see any wrong here... 0.0

to Garven: hmm, just say that silence end is ok, additive stuff r set in same way and i set all nc, ds and sv in logic of the music itself. maybe there're some of them need to be checked, i'll waiting for next bat's mod. as for tick 2... i'll consider that after testing a bit if possible.
Garven
osu! Alumni
5,857 posts
Joined January 2010
Garven
[General]
As I said before, you can't have a completely silent sound like you used at the ends of sliders in the hardest difficulty.
I only recommend tick rate 2 for the hardest difficulty if you do change it. This is only because of the weird speed changes. Otherwise, keep it at 1.
The font used in the SB feels kind of unfitting considering the style of song despite the lyrics. It'd be neat if you could find a font that was less scratchy and more solid lines like what you drew in the BG.
Considering how ridiculously unbalanced the difficulty spread is on this mapset, you really should consider adding an Easy.

[Normal]
00:13:763 (3,1) - Don't use consecutive short repeat sliders with different repetitions of repeats in a Normal please.
01:55:925 (1) - This spinner... doesn't really need needed at all. It's not following anything in the song and feels like filler.
03:29:574 (1) - You should simplify the rhythms used here. You don't need to hit every single sound - especially in a Normal.
04:25:925 (1) - I wouldn't have a short repeating slider with an even amount of repeats.
04:35:655 (2) - ^

[Hard]
00:04:439 (3,1) - Spacing
00:48:628 (5) - The end of this is snapped incorrectly.

Sorry, too many distractions yesterday. I'll edit the rest in and let you know. Just want to get this out there now in case someone else is also working on this map set.

Edit:
Continuing on the Hard:

00:56:331 (1) - Missing the finish
01:25:114 (3) - Slider end is unsnapped
01:42:446 (5) - Is this really necessary? This is a Hard, you know.
02:08:087 (1,1) - More unsnapped sliderends. Not going to point anymore out. These don't belong in any map really, but especially not in Hard difficulties.
02:28:662 (4) - Same as 1:42.
There's a lot more. They don't really fit this song at all, nor the pacing of the map.
04:13:155 (2,3,1) - Suddenly the map got a lot harder for no apparent reason. Remember, this is a Hard, not an Insane.

[Insane]
00:03:831 (1,2,3,4,5) - I don't like the way these flow. Most of your patterns up to here follow a pretty distinct curve, but this progression just cuts straight down and breaks what you've set up.
00:08:493 (1) - Please don't do this with new combos. If you must use one to make a pattern readable, your pattern is in question.
00:11:331 (1,2) - This spacing, no please. Not right after having 00:10:520 (2,3) -
00:29:168 (6) - Please no. Snap the end correctly and make the end audible.
There's a lot more incorrectly snapped silent slider ends. Get rid of them. They don't fit the music at all.
01:12:952 (1) - More lone combos with zero correlation towards the music.
01:18:223 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - You really need to figure out what you're doing spacing-wise. This combo is a mess.
01:33:628 (5,6,7,8) - More 1/2 and 1/4 same spacing shenanigans. Please don't. It reads poorly and turns the map into a guessing game instead of something to enjoy.
03:12:547 (1,1,1) - New combo spammmm
03:19:439 (8,9) - It's best if you have the slider after the circle. It plays much more naturally.
Overall, it was kind of fun to play, but completely unfitting for this song. If you had a much more upbeat song that actually could support all these extra rhythms and crazy jumps, I'd give it a big thumbs up. For this song, it really is major overkill.

[Extra]
You're pretty much going to get the same sentiment and mods as from the Insane, only I'd be picking apart a lot of the overmapping. The hitsounds feel placed on incorrect beats, so accents are unbalanced within the stanzas, and it mostly just leaves me wondering what song you originally mapped to before moving the map to this calmer song. Let's get the easier maps fixed up first to give this map a better context.
Hollow Wings
1,514 posts
Joined July 2010
Topic Starter
Hollow Wings
sry for late reply, i also got some other thing to do yesterday, and i check mod in a really low speed, so i check them today now orzzz. hope it's not that offense to u ;w;

Garven wrote:

[General]
As I said before, you can't have a completely silent sound like you used at the ends of sliders in the hardest difficulty. why... i think silent end is fine coz so many ranked maps do that as well 0.0
I only recommend tick rate 2 for the hardest difficulty if you do change it. This is only because of the weird speed changes. Otherwise, keep it at 1. i wanna keep it at 1
The font used in the SB feels kind of unfitting considering the style of song despite the lyrics. It'd be neat if you could find a font that was less scratchy and more solid lines like what you drew in the BG. if u have watched this anime u'll find this is really a horrible anime rather than beautiful one like the song express, i use this font for express the lyrics' meaning in darkness and fear
Considering how ridiculously unbalanced the difficulty spread is on this mapset, you really should consider adding an Easy. the normal is really easy enough to all players... ;w;

[Normal]
00:13:763 (3,1) - Don't use consecutive short repeat sliders with different repetitions of repeats in a Normal please. changed rhythm
01:55:925 (1) - This spinner... doesn't really need needed at all. It's not following anything in the song and feels like filler. hmm, the song told me set spinner here... just feeling
03:29:574 (1) - You should simplify the rhythms used here. You don't need to hit every single sound - especially in a Normal. simplified rhythm with all patterns like these
04:25:925 (1) - I wouldn't have a short repeating slider with an even amount of repeats. changed
04:35:655 (2) - ^ changed

[Hard]
00:04:439 (3,1) - Spacing fixed
00:48:628 (5) - The end of this is snapped incorrectly. uhh? it's just a 3/4 slider here...

Sorry, too many distractions yesterday. I'll edit the rest in and let you know. Just want to get this out there now in case someone else is also working on this map set. orzzz, sry for i didn't catch this mod at that time ;w;

Edit:
Continuing on the Hard:

00:56:331 (1) - Missing the finish no finish hs here indeed, i set hs in a way of system, really
01:25:114 (3) - Slider end is unsnapped well, here seems the 1/2 one is better, changed
01:42:446 (5) - Is this really necessary? This is a Hard, you know. yeah, and in that arousing part, the stream here's good and also still easy to play imo 0.0
02:08:087 (1,1) - More unsnapped sliderends. Not going to point anymore out. These don't belong in any map really, but especially not in Hard difficulties.
02:28:662 (4) - Same as 1:42. ^
There's a lot more. They don't really fit this song at all, nor the pacing of the map.
04:13:155 (2,3,1) - Suddenly the map got a lot harder for no apparent reason. Remember, this is a Hard, not an Insane. uhh... as a hard diff, this is really easy enough...

[Insane]
00:03:831 (1,2,3,4,5) - I don't like the way these flow. Most of your patterns up to here follow a pretty distinct curve, but this progression just cuts straight down and breaks what you've set up. uhh... patterns like this r also set in ranked maps very much... plays still good thou 0.0
00:08:493 (1) - Please don't do this with new combos. If you must use one to make a pattern readable, your pattern is in question. uhhh??? this is just a pattern imo... u can see lots of patterns like this in ranked maps as well
00:11:331 (1,2) - This spacing, no please. Not right after having 00:10:520 (2,3) - but it's really fun to play and still not that hard to read lol
00:29:168 (6) - Please no. Snap the end correctly and make the end audible. why...
There's a lot more incorrectly snapped silent slider ends. Get rid of them. They don't fit the music at all. they r really fit the song imo
01:12:952 (1) - More lone combos with zero correlation towards the music. just sv changing here
01:18:223 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - You really need to figure out what you're doing spacing-wise. This combo is a mess. i see nothing wrong thou...;w;
01:33:628 (5,6,7,8) - More 1/2 and 1/4 same spacing shenanigans. Please don't. It reads poorly and turns the map into a guessing game instead of something to enjoy. i really think patterns like this r not that questionable for it's really easy to read and play...
03:12:547 (1,1,1) - New combo spammmm changed
03:19:439 (8,9) - It's best if you have the slider after the circle. It plays much more naturally. i think this is another kind of pattern
Overall, it was kind of fun to play, but completely unfitting for this song. If you had a much more upbeat song that actually could support all these extra rhythms and crazy jumps, I'd give it a big thumbs up. For this song, it really is major overkill. it fits the song imo... not an excellent map but express the song indeed

[Extra]
You're pretty much going to get the same sentiment and mods as from the Insane, only I'd be picking apart a lot of the overmapping. The hitsounds feel placed on incorrect beats, so accents are unbalanced within the stanzas, and it mostly just leaves me wondering what song you originally mapped to before moving the map to this calmer song. Let's get the easier maps fixed up first to give this map a better context. idk what to say... i think this diff is the best of all these four to express this song...
thx for modding! ;w;
Koiyuki
2,531 posts
Joined March 2013
Koiyuki
almost fixed all 3/4 sliders in my part
but I think 02:28:662 (4) - is fine, it can emphasize the music and be a sign leading to kiai time.
Thanks!

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Garven
osu! Alumni
5,857 posts
Joined January 2010
Garven
We've had several IRC modding sessions to follow up on the mapset.

All difficulties except for the Extra are pretty much set and I am happy with them. Extra is pushing the overmapping way too far and is completely disingenuous to the song it's supposed to represent. No compelling reasons were presented to justify the overmapping, so I offered to move this set forward without Extra in the set, but Hollow Wings does not wish to do so.

I don't really see this set going anywhere with the Extra still attached, sorry.
buhei
567 posts
Joined February 2012
buhei
Hhh
Irreversible
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4,315 posts
Joined December 2011
Irreversible
hello~ time to check the rhythm first!

[Extra]

00:02:665 (1) - Is that unsnapped? I doubt that it's 1/16
please recheck all stuff that follows the piano in the begin, sometimes it has a quite odd snapping..
00:47:817 - To avoid having a too spammed rhythm here, can you try this? http://puu.sh/aDbSb.png It follows the vocals nicely~
00:50:655 (1,1) - remove NC, since they're all in one sentence imo.
00:53:087 (1,1) - too
01:00:384 (2) - If you want to use more rhythm, you have the best chance here - you can use more beats here if you want!
01:09:709 - This part has an odd rhythm too. While I think it works, my suggestion would only contain overmap too... maybe you can think of something else?
01:25:824 (2) - remove nc
01:59:979 (2) - remove nc
02:00:790 (4) - add nc
02:18:223 (2,3) - remove nc
02:20:656 (1,1) - remove nc
02:26:331 (1,1,2,1,1,2,1) - While the Ncing looks fancy, it doesn't really make sense, does it? I think it's readable without the spam. Please rearrange the Nc.
03:38:391 (1) - remove nc
03:39:000 - I don't understand this rhythm, I guess you could just follow the vocals with the slider before, right?
04:01:601 (1) - remove nc
04:05:959 (1) - remove NC
04:06:060 (2) - add nc
04:06:466 (1) - remove nc
04:19:236 (3,4,1) - REALLY weird 1/4 jump, please just make it regular
04:20:553 (3,1) - same, i guess this will just cause frustration instead of something else

About rhythm: Most of it is really better now, try to fix the rhythms above and we're on a good way.
About NC: Fix the ones above, please, I guess you sometimes make it quite wrong. Why would you add a NC on a blue tick? Remember: Use it on a new sentence, or a new downbeat (White tick).
About placing: It's okay mostly, I don't want to say too much to that, it seems fun to me.

Will mod the rest after applying.
Hollow Wings
1,514 posts
Joined July 2010
Topic Starter
Hollow Wings

Irreversible wrote:

hello~ time to check the rhythm first!

[Extra]

00:02:665 (1) - Is that unsnapped? I doubt that it's 1/16 right, changed
please recheck all stuff that follows the piano in the begin, sometimes it has a quite odd snapping.. coz the song itself plays like that odd orz fixed some and i think they r fine now
00:47:817 - To avoid having a too spammed rhythm here, can you try this? http://puu.sh/aDbSb.png It follows the vocals nicely~ tried and i think it's cool, changed
00:50:655 (1,1) - remove NC, since they're all in one sentence imo. my bad, fixed
00:53:087 (1,1) - too ^
01:00:384 (2) - If you want to use more rhythm, you have the best chance here - you can use more beats here if you want! lol, here i think follow the drum is good enough www
01:09:709 - This part has an odd rhythm too. While I think it works, my suggestion would only contain overmap too... maybe you can think of something else? uhh... this is some kind of odd to some people maybe, but it plays nice. well idk if this set is the best choice, but i just keep it now 0.0
01:25:824 (2) - remove nc fixed, and 01:27:040 (1) - as well
01:59:979 (2) - remove nc oh, here's an sv changing before this nc, maybe keep it is better?
02:00:790 (4) - add nc changed and 01:58:358 (3) - as well
02:18:223 (2,3) - remove nc fixed
02:20:656 (1,1) - remove nc fixed
02:26:331 (1,1,2,1,1,2,1) - While the Ncing looks fancy, it doesn't really make sense, does it? I think it's readable without the spam. Please rearrange the Nc. it's totally my bad to set this stupid nc stuff, all fixed
03:38:391 (1) - remove nc ok
03:39:000 - I don't understand this rhythm, I guess you could just follow the vocals with the slider before, right? right, changed rhythm here
04:01:601 (1) - remove nc uhh... sv changing here, keep this to help reading the slider?
04:05:959 (1) - remove NC right
04:06:060 (2) - add nc ^
04:06:466 (1) - remove nc sv changing here as well... i think i can larger ds here, it feels better imo
04:19:236 (3,4,1) - REALLY weird 1/4 jump, please just make it regular
04:20:553 (3,1) - same, i guess this will just cause frustration instead of something elsethou i really love this pattern, but seems it really don't work well at this part indeed, so i decide to change this ;w; changed to another pattern

About rhythm: Most of it is really better now, try to fix the rhythms above and we're on a good way. it really took much time to deal with that, yes ;w;
About NC: Fix the ones above, please, I guess you sometimes make it quite wrong. Why would you add a NC on a blue tick? Remember: Use it on a new sentence, or a new downbeat (White tick). my bad to set nc like that, already fixed ;w;
About placing: It's okay mostly, I don't want to say too much to that, it seems fun to me. thx ;w;

Will mod the rest after applying.
thx for modding irre!!
Irreversible
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Irreversible
Rebubbled~

We got rid off some more weird rhythm, and improved some placement, but after all the map is really good as it is now!

Good luck HW~
Hollow Wings
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Topic Starter
Hollow Wings

Irreversible wrote:

Rebubbled~

We got rid off some more weird rhythm, and improved some placement, but after all the map is really good as it is now!

Good luck HW~
thank u irre! >.<
Kodora
Kodora
oooo very glad to see this bubbled!
HanzeR
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Joined May 2012
HanzeR
someone needs to rank this already holee fck
Sellenite
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Joined September 2013
Sellenite

Hollow Wings wrote:

梶浦由记你就是个挂
X Light
456 posts
Joined August 2012
X Light
祝早日rank！歌太好听了
69653863
1,818 posts
Joined January 2012
69653863
so wheres da rank
bank78952
bank78952
you map/hitsonud is so cool but it so very hard on ctb but i like this map
here my star :)
Irie Miyuki
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Irie Miyuki
占位恭喜OwO
Lust
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Lust
IRC modded with HW

log
10:34 *Lust pokes
10:44 Hollow Wings: recongraz to be a bat!!
10:45 Lust: thank you >w<
10:45 Hollow Wings: so
10:45 Hollow Wings: can i rank that 1 month long bubbled one lo
10:45 Hollow Wings: l
10:45 Lust: of course, thats why i poked you :P
10:46 Hollow Wings: hmm? u poke me??
10:46 Hollow Wings: oh, maybe i just lagged and can't see ur post ;w;
10:46 Lust: http://puu.sh/bGD1o/f288bc3c8c.jpg QAQ
10:47 Hollow Wings: >.<
10:48 Hollow Wings: i just disconnected to osu serverse
10:49 Hollow Wings: do we need further mod or?
10:49 Hollow Wings: just irc or something?
10:49 Lust: just irc :3
10:49 Hollow Wings: ok w
10:52 Lust: give me a few moments o u o
10:52 Hollow Wings: ok ovo
10:54 *Lust is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/469565 Kalafina - Kimi no Gin no Niwa [Extra]]
10:55 Lust: 00:00:207 (1) - are you sure this is snapped to 1/16? i feel like it can actually end on the white tick
10:55 Hollow Wings: let me see
10:56 Hollow Wings: oh, i can promise this slider is snapped right
10:56 Hollow Wings: if that end is on the white line, there'll be offset, really
10:56 Lust: alright, just making sure
10:57 Hollow Wings: >.<
10:58 Lust: 00:02:690 (1) - here i would think it would make more sense and sound better to the music if you had it start on the blue tick
10:59 Lust: also, being on tick it is now it can be a little surprising to the gameplay
10:59 Hollow Wings: uh...
11:00 Hollow Wings: maybe u can listen to the song with 25% playback rate at this part...
11:00 Hollow Wings: not sure if it's perfect but...
11:00 Hollow Wings: if it starts at blue line, it'll be offset too...
11:01 Hollow Wings: i understand
11:01 Hollow Wings: hmm
11:01 Hollow Wings: alright
11:01 Hollow Wings: i'll just change the rhythm here
11:01 Hollow Wings: i'll give a 1/8 slider start at 00:02:817
11:02 Hollow Wings: do u think it's better in playing and set?
11:02 Lust: hmmm yeah much better, now the strong beat there is accented by a slider start as opposed to a slider end
11:02 Lust: which is a lot more satisfying to play
11:03 Hollow Wings: ok www
11:03 Hollow Wings: oh, i need to fix the same part at insane diff
11:04 Hollow Wings: oh, no same rhythm here, insane just has a note www
11:04 Lust: xDDD
11:07 Hollow Wings: >.<
11:08 Lust: 01:14:978 (5,1) - to avoid any potential unqualifications, i suggest you move 1's repeat to another location because 01:14:978 (5) - 's hitburst covers it for a short while
11:08 Lust: http://puu.sh/bGEj1/ef94ca8e8b.jpg
11:09 Hollow Wings: ok
11:09 Hollow Wings: changed
11:10 Lust: i mean it plays find and players can guess that there is a repeat there and most people do not play with the default skin anyway, but you know how QAT members xD
11:11 Hollow Wings: i see, thou idk if skin's combo "300" overlapped that arrow's unrankble or not...
11:11 Hollow Wings: anyway, i changed this to anohter style
11:12 Lust: 01:20:047 (3,4,5) - this pattern can appear as confusing, because 3 jumps cross screen to 4 and then 5 suddenly changes the direction of the play 
11:12 Lust: when jumping, players also may not notice 4's location and go straight to 5
11:13 Hollow Wings: hmm
11:13 Hollow Wings: thou this is somekind of my fav pattern
11:13 Hollow Wings: to pro, they can read 4 before hit 5, truely
11:13 Lust: yeah, it looks really neat although it doesnt play as well as i hoped
11:13 Lust: i am not really concerned about that aspect
11:14 Lust: its the drastic flow change that i worry about
11:14 Hollow Wings: hmm yep
11:15 Hollow Wings: 01:20:249 (4,5) - i'll move this to274,185
11:15 Hollow Wings: together with that location
11:15 Hollow Wings: so players can play this pattern with smaller jump
11:16 Hollow Wings: and see that note clearly
11:16 Hollow Wings: thou that flow is a special or weird flow
11:16 Hollow Wings: but i think it's really good in playing when it's easy to catch
11:16 Hollow Wings: also adjust 01:20:655 (1) - 's position to keep blanket
11:17 Hollow Wings: is that ok to u ovo
11:17 Lust: one second let me test it
11:17 Hollow Wings: ok w
11:19 Lust: 01:20:047 (3) - move this to maybe 487:288 so the play is a little less sharp and more comfortable
11:19 Lust: or a location similar
11:20 Hollow Wings: ok
11:20 Hollow Wings: done
11:20 Hollow Wings: ofc
11:20 Hollow Wings: i'll adjust ds here
11:22 Lust: if you do this, it plays much better
11:22 Hollow Wings: yeah right
11:22 Hollow Wings: i'm just upload my screenshot
11:22 Hollow Wings: (in low speed
11:23 Lust: orz why does chinese people always have hard time uploading photos ;w;
11:23 Lust: whenever irie wants to send me a photo it takes so long ;w;w;w;
11:23 Hollow Wings: http://puu.sh/bGFjv/bde728f8cc.jpg
11:23 Hollow Wings: coz chinese network sucks
11:24 Hollow Wings: and also blocked to lots of sites
11:24 Lust: exactly what i had, perfect
11:24 Lust: yeah i am aware of that orz
11:24 Hollow Wings: like google, facebook or youtube ;w;
11:24 Lust: sites like twitter and youtube
11:24 Hollow Wings: lol ok!
11:24 Hollow Wings: yeah ;w;
11:29 Lust: alright that should be about it for the extra diff
11:29 Hollow Wings: ok! >.<
11:38 Lust: wow i am really impressed by this insane
11:38 Lust: sorry for the late response, i am checking everything at the moment
11:38 Hollow Wings: no problem
11:38 Lust: i think it expresses the song quite wonderfully
11:38 Hollow Wings: i'm appreciate that u can check this w
11:39 Hollow Wings: haha ok
11:39 Lust: some spacings could use some work but overall i think its quite indeed playable and fun to play at that
11:40 Hollow Wings: hmm alright
11:40 Hollow Wings: if those r in ok-level to u www
11:40 Lust: they are perfectly fine to me
11:40 Hollow Wings: ok >.<
11:43 Lust: hmmm there is one part in minakami yuki's part in the hard that i would like to see changed but hes not online zzz
11:43 Hollow Wings: i'll call him right now
11:45 Lust: if you could that would be great
11:45 Lust: its just one suggestion
11:45 Hollow Wings: ok, can i just listen to it in advance?
11:46 Lust: 04:12:141 (1,2,3,1) - here the play is rather sharp, the slider velocity on 04:12:141 (1) - is not quite enough to flow smoothly in to the triplet
11:47 Lust: the result is a pretty awkward play when the majority flows rather well
11:47 Hollow Wings: lol that's just my part orz
11:47 Hollow Wings: i adjust his part to collab mine
11:47 Hollow Wings: those notes
11:47 Hollow Wings: ;w;
11:47 Hollow Wings: i'll fix that
11:47 Lust: alright, that is fine if he doesnt mind
11:48 Hollow Wings: i had his permission to change this now
11:49 Lust: http://puu.sh/bGGSf/f1680eb6d8.jpg something like this could work rather nicely
11:49 Hollow Wings: ok w
11:49 Hollow Wings: that's exactly what i'm doing
11:49 Lust: perfect! :3
11:50 Hollow Wings: done!
11:50 Hollow Wings: i called yuki
11:50 Hollow Wings: he's online now
11:50 Lust: yeah i saw he just came online
11:50 Hollow Wings: >.<
11:52 Lust: 01:54:709 (1) - is this spinner yours or yuki's part?
11:52 Hollow Wings: yuki
11:53 Hollow Wings: delete it?
11:53 Hollow Wings: w
11:53 Lust: i think he should map it out
11:54 Lust: 01:55:925 - atleast starting from here
11:54 Hollow Wings: ok
11:54 Hollow Wings: changed
11:58 Lust: normal looks good
11:58 Lust: update the mapset and let me have a final recheck
11:58 Hollow Wings: ok! >.<
11:59 Hollow Wings: ok!!!
11:59 Hollow Wings: thx a lot!!! >.<
12:00 Lust: ah just in time
12:01 Hollow Wings: done!
12:01 Lust: 8 maps were ranked yesterday, and the timer expired just now
12:01 Hollow Wings: www
12:01 Hollow Wings: oh really? lol
12:01 Hollow Wings: i didn't notice that ;w;

What we fixed:
  1. Cleared up a confusing rhythm and made it more satisfying to play
  2. Made plenty of patterns more readable and smoother to play in Extra and Hard
  3. Improved the flow in certain patterns throughout the diffs
  4. Moved a repeat that was obscured by a hitburst in the Extra

This map has been bubbled long enough, call me back after you finish your changes!
Hollow Wings
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Hollow Wings
thx a lot Lust! we've done lots of fixes and changes to give a better version in this map

yeah i'm ready >.<
Lust
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Qualified! Another lovely map from a lovely mapper!
[ Mephisto ]
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O.O
Awaken
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Irie Miyuki
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kamisamaaa
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tukamoto7km
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gratz HW
Hollow Wings
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Hollow Wings
thank to all people who helped to this map

really... really...

now, i don't know, what to do
Ethercastle
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恭喜hw!
Flask
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干蛋呢
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Myxo
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Congratz <3
Neliel
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Neliel
Congrats.

03:19:844 - I love this map really, but I think you should reconsider this SV change. Its not really nice to play and really hard to follow.
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