this to much also are the players who enjoy map song its better to keep it like it is imo. It make no sense to have 10 people voting for it hue, this is a comunity and all the player have the right to vote for the maps thoughtsilmarilen wrote:
you guys are missing the point of "best maps of XXXX"
its about which maps the players enjoyed the most, not some elitist circlejerk list (and no, the vocal minority does not represent the whole playerbase).
you may disagree with the maps that get chosen, but that doesnt give you the right to remove people's ability to vote.
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This thread is a prime example of why discussions don't work in this community.
Someone has an idea -> people start talking about the pros and cons -> someone will bring up weird analogies and ethical concepts that don't really relate -> others think of arguments to counter that statement -> people try to sound as smart as possible to outwit one another -> the actual point is lost and it's only about "I am right! - "No you aren't"
How about just doing some stuff for once instead of acting like some kind of saint, bringing up ridiculous comparisons like elitism, always trashtalking whenever someone has an idea you haven't thought of yourself yet. No one would ever be hurt by doing this. No one really cares anyway in the end, it's just a friggin list of osu! maps ffs.
Yes, we are some kind of community and we have to keep some kind of order so all of this won't break down. But can you please remember that this is not a religion or a political state..?
Someone has an idea -> people start talking about the pros and cons -> someone will bring up weird analogies and ethical concepts that don't really relate -> others think of arguments to counter that statement -> people try to sound as smart as possible to outwit one another -> the actual point is lost and it's only about "I am right! - "No you aren't"
How about just doing some stuff for once instead of acting like some kind of saint, bringing up ridiculous comparisons like elitism, always trashtalking whenever someone has an idea you haven't thought of yourself yet. No one would ever be hurt by doing this. No one really cares anyway in the end, it's just a friggin list of osu! maps ffs.
Yes, we are some kind of community and we have to keep some kind of order so all of this won't break down. But can you please remember that this is not a religion or a political state..?
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I wanted this thread to be treated like a message to peppy with "opinions" enabled. Some people could've stated their own suggestions. Can't help that an argument happened but still I want peppy to answer. D :
The way Best of Year charts are done right now is silly. A couple of months after I started playing, I stumbled across the Best of 2011 and Best of 2012 charts and decided to download some of the Best of 2012 ones. It was a complete waste of time. Most of them were either not enjoyable to me (Gangnam Style) or completely unplayable (the rest of the top 10). Is that what the Best of Year chart is supposed to be?
I certainly understand the argument that maps on that list are maps that people enjoy playing (people vote for maps they enjoy, right?), but how many of those 352 people who "enjoyed" playing Big Black in 2012 could actually play Big Black as opposed to spamming and flailing to 30% NF scores while their friends spectated and laughed at them? How many of those 740 people who enjoyed the Gangnam Style "map" will enjoy that map 2 years from now when they don't care about the song anymore? The maps that made the chart do represent the "maps" that people "enjoyed". Does anyone actually believe that which maps make the chart is determined by how well-made and enjoyable the map is to play?
Ultimately, the fate of the Best of Year charts depends on what they're supposed to be. If they're supposed to be a shining example of the democratic process bringing about useless results, they're great as they are (I worded that in a very cynical way, but realistically, I do understand why people would want the Best of Year charts to be something voted on by everyone and I just strongly disagree with it.). However, if they're supposed to have any practical use (finding good maps, for example) or if we want there to be any prestige at all involved in having a map on the list, something needs to change.
I think the two best ideas proposed were selection by elite group and this proposal by RaneFire. Restricting voting to players that have played since the start of the year slightly alleviates the issue of recent maps being favored, but is inferior to restricting by playcount, which is inferior to the other two ideas. Or at least that's my two cents.
I certainly understand the argument that maps on that list are maps that people enjoy playing (people vote for maps they enjoy, right?), but how many of those 352 people who "enjoyed" playing Big Black in 2012 could actually play Big Black as opposed to spamming and flailing to 30% NF scores while their friends spectated and laughed at them? How many of those 740 people who enjoyed the Gangnam Style "map" will enjoy that map 2 years from now when they don't care about the song anymore? The maps that made the chart do represent the "maps" that people "enjoyed". Does anyone actually believe that which maps make the chart is determined by how well-made and enjoyable the map is to play?
Ultimately, the fate of the Best of Year charts depends on what they're supposed to be. If they're supposed to be a shining example of the democratic process bringing about useless results, they're great as they are (I worded that in a very cynical way, but realistically, I do understand why people would want the Best of Year charts to be something voted on by everyone and I just strongly disagree with it.). However, if they're supposed to have any practical use (finding good maps, for example) or if we want there to be any prestige at all involved in having a map on the list, something needs to change.
I think the two best ideas proposed were selection by elite group and this proposal by RaneFire. Restricting voting to players that have played since the start of the year slightly alleviates the issue of recent maps being favored, but is inferior to restricting by playcount, which is inferior to the other two ideas. Or at least that's my two cents.
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2nd Post in forums, best post in thread, nice.
2nd Post in forums, best post in thread, nice.
I know it's not the point but that sounds pretty fun to me, enjoying with friends.GhostFrog wrote:
spamming and flailing to 30% NF scores while their friends spectated and laughed at them?
but this is a good argument. can't agree more.GhostFrog wrote:
How many of those 740 people who enjoyed the Gangnam Style "map" will enjoy that map 2 years from now when they don't care about the song anymore?
Also the fact that we're talking about the whole set and not only the lowest/highest Diff in a mapset. People who are usually playing Normal (or below) Diffs voting Maps they cannot play and then people who are able to pass/fc Insane (and the even harder ones) are also voting Maps because of one Diff which is the same bullshit as the first example. Also opinions are going to be split because someone rates a map because of a wrong AR, a failed part or whatever.
At all I would give the BATs this task since they all are trustable and able to pick maps out by quality and not by popularity. And yes I know that this would be a huge work to make this since we got at least 1k ranked Maps since now but you know where this will end otherwise.
At all I would give the BATs this task since they all are trustable and able to pick maps out by quality and not by popularity. And yes I know that this would be a huge work to make this since we got at least 1k ranked Maps since now but you know where this will end otherwise.
Yeah, not gonna lie, I enjoy playing maps that are way too hard for me and watching people play maps that are way too hard for them. My point was supposed to be that they're not really enjoying the map - they're enjoying the fact that it's difficult. At the point where you're getting 30% on a map, I don't think it matters much whether it's Big Black or Remote Control+DT or Gold Dust+DT+HR+FL - if you can't hit the notes, it's almost certainly not the map itself that you're enjoying.Broccoly wrote:
I know it's not the point but that sounds pretty fun to me, enjoying with friends.GhostFrog wrote:
spamming and flailing to 30% NF scores while their friends spectated and laughed at them?
This is a very good point. But [Insane]s/[Another]s would only be voted by the more experienced players, the other Diffs only by the newer ones. Most maps I haven't liked the slightest when I couldn't sightread/pass them but now there are like the greatest maps ever made.Stefan wrote:
Also the fact that we're talking about the whole set and not only the lowest/highest Diff in a mapset. People who are usually playing Normal (or below) Diffs voting Maps they cannot play and then people who are able to pass/fc Insane (and the even harder ones) are also voting Maps because of one Diff which is the same bullshit as the first example. Also opinions are going to be split because someone rates a map because of a wrong AR, a failed part or whatever.
07th expansion and 3Lfartownik wrote:
#1. Maps with the artist starting with a number, because they're first on the list.
Why make this poll public? If the "pro mappers" know more, just let them choose. We "the newbies" should not participate. 'cause we don't know. 
Is it too late?
Where's the vote then?
Experienced players? It would be not a great idea. They would vote hard, but shitty maps like https://osu.ppy.sh/s/60136 (flame in 3...2...1...). I would let only BATs, GMTs and mappers (well.. some mappers would surely need to be kicked of too, but that's my opinion) to vote, because only they know whether the map is good or not.AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
Let BATs, mappers or/and experienced players choose the maps (with restriction that you can't vote for your map)
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Experienced players? It would be not a great idea. They would vote hard, but shitty maps like https://osu.ppy.sh/s/60136I think any experienced player knows that Anhedonia is Muya's worst map.
btw, the voting has already started under old rules, the topic is invalid.
Muya's maps tend to be very similar though.AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
Experienced players? It would be not a great idea. They would vote hard, but shitty maps like https://osu.ppy.sh/s/60136I think any experienced player knows that Anhedonia is Muya's worst map.
btw, the voting has already started under old rules, the topic is invalid.
2nd worstAmaiHachimitsu wrote:
Experienced players? It would be not a great idea. They would vote hard, but shitty maps like https://osu.ppy.sh/s/60136I think any experienced player knows that Anhedonia is Muya's worst map.
1st is todestrieb
the opinions are strong in this one
am I the only one who's in love with todestrieb and think it's one of the best maps in osu
really
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really
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tbh Todestrieb is a great map with a perfectly working structure, nice looking patterns and fun rhythms, I don't see why anyone would call it bad except for the fact that they dislike the streams, which is an entirely subjective thing and would mean that they also hate any other famous muya map
Todestrieb actually plays well, considering it's design.
Anhedonia on the other hand, doesn't really make sense in a lot of places.
I still like shit maps though... best practice because nonsense artificial difficulty.
Anhedonia on the other hand, doesn't really make sense in a lot of places.
I still like shit maps though... best practice because nonsense artificial difficulty.
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The thread can be locked now, Long Live Attack on Titan OPs/EDs!!
I'm rooting for maware personally :3
spin ~ spin ~ spin ~ spin ~ spin ~
spin ~ spin ~ spin ~ spin ~ spin ~
JAAEEEEEEEEEGAAAAAAAAAAR
oh how did i miss that songbuny wrote:
#11 https://osu.ppy.sh/s/119980silmarilen wrote:
#1-#5: something related to attack on titan
#6: image material
#7: pudding something by 0108
#8-#9: LeaF - I and heterochromia
#10: some RLC maps
good prediction? yes?
though i actually do think the top is going to be swarmed with attack on titan maps
i got hit by it
Plz no, there were so many really good songs/maps. I hope this community isn't jumping too much on the hypetrain and voting overhyped OPs/EDs of an overhyped anime.AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
The thread can be locked now, Long Live Attack on Titan OPs/EDs!!
ctrl + f "maddy"
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Plz no, there were so many really good songs/maps. I hope this community isn't jumping too much on the hypetrain and voting overhyped OPs/EDs of an overhyped anime.I hope you will bear the disappointment.
Let's hope there's no the fox or pe cimpoi in top 10!
*runs*
*runs*
Whatever, you can use comments (of news post) if you don't have anything constructive to add anymore.