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A little rant about skins.
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Aww, I missed thempeppy wrote:
Oops I seem to have deleted useless posts in this thread.
Red and Green.
I can't tell the difference between these colors. Your red cursor against your green hitcircles/background/spinner is nearly invisible to me.
Brown vs. Red/Green and Violet vs. Blue are also fairly bad for me.
I can't tell the difference between these colors. Your red cursor against your green hitcircles/background/spinner is nearly invisible to me.
Brown vs. Red/Green and Violet vs. Blue are also fairly bad for me.
Whoops I accidentally said i am a cocksucker.
*Spinners should have a center point. it makes it easier to see where you are spinning.No. This shouldn't be a guideline.
There we go, constructive post.
I completely forgot about colour blindness and osu!.Lybydose wrote:
Red and Green.
I can't tell the difference between these colors. Your red cursor against your green hitcircles/background/spinner is nearly invisible to me.
Brown vs. Red/Green and Violet vs. Blue are also fairly bad for me.
That's a major problem, IMO: accessibility. Maybe osu! can have built-in colour blindness simulation filters to help skin makers and such?
How hard is it to make a little center point...really?lukewarmholiday wrote:
*Spinners should have a center point. it makes it easier to see where you are spinning.No. This should be a guideline.
There we go, corrected post.
Agreed, this should be a must.lukewarmholiday wrote:
*Spinners should have a center point. it makes it easier to see where you are spinning.No. This shouldn't be a guideline.
animask wrote:
How hard is it to make a little center point...really?
Yes, this should be part of the ranking criteria. A skin should not be ugly, and a skin should not fuck up the map. But no, I don't think the player should be able to change/remove skin elements, just like the player can't move or delete hitcircles that they don't like. It's part of the map.
And incidentally, I don't think the cursor should be skinnable on a per-map basis at all. It's too important.
And incidentally, I don't think the cursor should be skinnable on a per-map basis at all. It's too important.
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i usually only play pending maps (or some ranked maps when i hear they are very good) so i do look at some pending maps. but i don't have alot of time know, so it's impossible for me to go through all maps, find one with a skin and then say "your skin is annoying" espcially when i get bothered by most custom skins. and i cant do much about it when they are ranked.peppy wrote:
If you have a problem with skins in maps, do as I have said before and point them out. We likely need more stringent ranking criteria for these, but they will never be togglable and will be enforced after we move to osz2.
i think it would be nice if we could choose our hitcircles atleast. what you have said is probably final, im sorry if i offend you by trying atleast. i just want to say how strongly i disagree with some skins.
cursor and spinner are the only problem i have with custom skins
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People usually try to focus spinning in the center of the spinner when they spin.
With no center it makes it awkward to spin.
With no center it makes it awkward to spin.
Oh yeah tablet users
rolf.
In all honestly I can usually judge the center of a circle because the size of the circle is static every time, and after playing enough I've gotten used to where the center is.
rolf.
In all honestly I can usually judge the center of a circle because the size of the circle is static every time, and after playing enough I've gotten used to where the center is.
Not for me, Luke is looking at the big picture here, some will complain about the teeniest detail of things that really don't make much of a difference. It's like bitching over the color of the "BACK" button or something totally irrelevant to gameplay.
I'll give em this cookie since with osz2 out you can't even manually add a dot to the center.(unless I am mistaken)
Actually, If we don't hand this off to user accountability maybe put a forced dot in the center of spinners over the graphic? Or options toggle/etc.
Would fix people from whining about preexisting/pending maps with spinners like this.
Actually, If we don't hand this off to user accountability maybe put a forced dot in the center of spinners over the graphic? Or options toggle/etc.
Would fix people from whining about preexisting/pending maps with spinners like this.
Or people stop making retarded spinner images in the first place.
A playable skin is better than a flashy skin, unless it's user-selectable.
A playable skin is better than a flashy skin, unless it's user-selectable.
beatmapping_guidelines_in_a_nutshell.txtstrager wrote:
Being playable is better than being flashy/original
Yuplukewarmholiday wrote:
beatmapping_guidelines_in_a_nutshell.txtstrager wrote:
Being playable is better than a flashy/original
Alright, just so I'm not going to possibly be misinterpreted in the long run let me ammend my post.
Try to be original and flashy. Always shoot for it when mapping/skinning/anything.
When you start realizing things aren't working like they should, start trimming the fat/reworking it. If people are disliking something of yours, reevaluate it. It's near impossible to see all your flaws when beatmapping, which is why we moderate.
Try to be original and flashy. Always shoot for it when mapping/skinning/anything.
When you start realizing things aren't working like they should, start trimming the fat/reworking it. If people are disliking something of yours, reevaluate it. It's near impossible to see all your flaws when beatmapping, which is why we moderate.
Me? 
No not youkideddie1501 wrote:
Me?
But I need to start being more cautious of my wording in discussion posts. I don't want to wait for a person to say BUT THAT MEANS YOU WANT EVERYTHING PLAIN, or something similar.
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Why don't someone just request a feature where the user can force Osu! to use the default skins when the map is actively played, and in reply's you can see the full glory of the skin. A win/win situation for everyone, since Everyone can force osu to use default skin when playing. Thus, the mapper doesn't do all the hard work for nothing, so when you did well you can watch your reply and go oh wow, this is perrttty.
(But let me guess it was requested but denied, but I'm to lazy to search now) I mean we can turn off video's/combo bursts... so why not skins?
Lets face it, why do we play Osu ? I at least try to have fun.
I have to agree with Gabi here. I'm so used to playing with the standard skin of osu, that custom skins ( not all, but most ) tend to throw me off balance and this can be quite annoying.
(But let me guess it was requested but denied, but I'm to lazy to search now) I mean we can turn off video's/combo bursts... so why not skins?
Lets face it, why do we play Osu ? I at least try to have fun.
I have to agree with Gabi here. I'm so used to playing with the standard skin of osu, that custom skins ( not all, but most ) tend to throw me off balance and this can be quite annoying.
Mystearica
Gabi's right, I don't know how many maps I've attempted to play where the skin gave me a really hard time. I DO appreciate you guys mapping this stuff making a complimentary skin to go with your map, the effort is definitively noted. But yeah, as Gabi says, a skin shouldn't make a map harder to play. So many skin elements make maps hard to read it's getting really annoying.
I just copy over the skin I use entirely into a song folder if I get really annoyed. Waste of 5~6 mb everytime but what choices do I have?
Also, the whole "Force Default Skin" thing isn't really my cup of tea either. I don't use the default skin and I find it harder to play with it because I'm very used to another skin. This forcing idea seems pretty silly to me also. Why should someone be forced to play any map with xyz skin? We should have a choice.
I just copy over the skin I use entirely into a song folder if I get really annoyed. Waste of 5~6 mb everytime but what choices do I have?
Also, the whole "Force Default Skin" thing isn't really my cup of tea either. I don't use the default skin and I find it harder to play with it because I'm very used to another skin. This forcing idea seems pretty silly to me also. Why should someone be forced to play any map with xyz skin? We should have a choice.
Mystearica wrote:
Also, the whole "Force Default Skin" thing isn't really my cup of tea either. I don't use the default skin and I find it harder to play with it because I'm very used to another skin. This forcing idea seems pretty silly to me also. Why should someone be forced to play any map with xyz skin? We should have a choice.
Ok, let me rephrase that. My bad
The currently selected skin the user is using. Also this can be a option you can enable/disable in Options.
I tolerate custom skins, but naturally I'll point out anything that needs to be changed before ranking. I'm not too concerned about minor playability issues, maybe because I'm not the most serious player. If it looks good and plays fairly well, I'll let the mapper skin it how they want.
Forcing skins, though, I rarely appreciate. m980's iNiS-style maps make good use of it, but generally I think you should let the user choose unless you have a VERY SPECIFIC AND LOGICAL REASON for forcing that skin.
EDIT: Forcing skins IS acceptable, though, when there's already been a lot of skinning done by the user, and they want to complete the look. But still try to make the forced skin be somehow relevant to the look or feel of the map.
Forcing skins, though, I rarely appreciate. m980's iNiS-style maps make good use of it, but generally I think you should let the user choose unless you have a VERY SPECIFIC AND LOGICAL REASON for forcing that skin.
EDIT: Forcing skins IS acceptable, though, when there's already been a lot of skinning done by the user, and they want to complete the look. But still try to make the forced skin be somehow relevant to the look or feel of the map.
No.Teara wrote:
Why don't someone just request a feature where the user can force Osu! to use the default skins when the map is actively played, and in reply's you can see the full glory of the skin. A win/win situation for everyone, since Everyone can force osu to use default skin when playing. Thus, the mapper doesn't do all the hard work for nothing, so when you did well you can watch your reply and go oh wow, this is perrttty.
In all that time it took you to type that, you could have searched for the request.
Topic Starter
please unless you have something good to discuss try not to spam up the topic.
Delete all skins except for the one you use.
Delete custom skins in maps.
Delete custom skins in maps.
It's not a matter of difficulty. It's a matter of "does it belong".JInxyjem wrote:
Agreed, this should be a must.lukewarmholiday wrote:
*Spinners should have a center point. it makes it easier to see where you are spinning.No. This shouldn't be a guideline.animask wrote:
How hard is it to make a little center point...really?
Topic Starter
awp wrote:
It's not a matter of difficulty. It's a matter of "does it belong".animask wrote:
How hard is it to make a little center point...really?
this ^. if the centerpoint does not belong there, then dont put the spinner in the skin :\.strager wrote:
If you were given the choice between 'playable' and 'flashy,' go with 'playable.'
It can be playable without a big glaring dot in the middle of it.
It still has to be clear where the centre of the spinner is. Otherwise, other players may not find it (easily) playable.awp wrote:
It can be playable without a big glaring dot in the middle of it.
Yes, it does. And I'm saying that can be achieved without a glaring dot.