I think you miss understood me. When I said "good accuracy", I meant about 97%+ accuracy, not necessarily only 100%. My point was that just being able to pass a map with 85-90% with misses isn't that good compared to 97% full combo on most maps. For example, most people can PASS airman because of the low drain even with a ton of misses but only a few GOOD players can actually full combo it with relatively good accuracy.jesus1412 wrote:
I completely disagree. I don't give a fuck about people who SS insanes, I care about people who pass the big freedom pony man no taisou.iSpR1Te wrote:
"What is considered 'good'?"
imo - Being able to full combo a song with good accuracy within a reasonable number of tries is considered good. Just being able to pass and map doesn't mean you are good at that map or those particular skills required to play the map.
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"Good" has always been used to describe the middle ground of "success" (between "acceptable" and "excellent"), whatever the context may be. In the scope of computer games, it's a rather complex mishmash of achieved goals, how far you've come, and comparing yourself to others. It is mostly a personal view that you have developed over the course of playing the game, so the best answer I can give you is:
If you have no idea what"good" is yet, then you probably aren't "good"... yet.
Knowing that the owc maps are very high difficulty (like those mod pools), is actually a step in the right direction of figuring out what "good" is and your post already indicates that you have an idea. But because of your lack of experience (not referring to skill), your idea was shattered because this was the first owc you saw and probably guessed this was the standard, since it was still group stages. But this year's map pool is actually much harder compared to last year and the group stages are a bit of a joke, but I kinda like it this way. It's more fun to watch.
If you have no idea what"good" is yet, then you probably aren't "good"... yet.
Knowing that the owc maps are very high difficulty (like those mod pools), is actually a step in the right direction of figuring out what "good" is and your post already indicates that you have an idea. But because of your lack of experience (not referring to skill), your idea was shattered because this was the first owc you saw and probably guessed this was the standard, since it was still group stages. But this year's map pool is actually much harder compared to last year and the group stages are a bit of a joke, but I kinda like it this way. It's more fun to watch.
It's futile trying to define "good".
I still consider myself pretty bad, and will not stop until I achieved something I might call myself good for.
I still consider myself pretty bad, and will not stop until I achieved something I might call myself good for.
you're good if you make goals for yourself and succeed to meet them
you're bad if you fail to meet your goals or play without any goals
you're bad if you fail to meet your goals or play without any goals
Remember, most people in the OWC have 30-50k+ playcount, whist you only have 9k. As you play, you will improve. Simple as that.
Everyone would define good differently. I guess the best way is to find a point that you see as good, and work to that. Once you reach it, maybe raise the bar a bit. It brings in a constant hunger for improvement.
Don't rely on people telling you what is good.
Everyone would define good differently. I guess the best way is to find a point that you see as good, and work to that. Once you reach it, maybe raise the bar a bit. It brings in a constant hunger for improvement.
Don't rely on people telling you what is good.
@OP if it makes you feel better it took me almost a year just to go from streaming 120~ bpm to doing streams of 170~ bpm, and even now I still have trouble with 170-180 bpm streams with more than 17 notes.
Not many people classify themselves as good, not even people in the top 100.
the only good person is cookiezi, and he died, thus no one is good at this game
The question is very subjective, being "good" is just a label used to classify high level of skill (being able to do things), talent (being able to do things without much effort) or performance (things someone has done).
Also, each of these aspects aren't even measured in a one-dimensional scale: a player can be good at streaming 240bpm, while being bad at playing HD in easier maps (or the other way around). That makes it even more subjective.
Also, each of these aspects aren't even measured in a one-dimensional scale: a player can be good at streaming 240bpm, while being bad at playing HD in easier maps (or the other way around). That makes it even more subjective.
So you are telling me people who pass Pretender + DT are worse than people who FC random maps? Alright.iSpR1Te wrote:
My point was that just being able to pass a map with 85-90% with misses isn't that good compared to 97% full combo on most maps.
Nope. I'm saying people that can DT pretender with a couple misses compared to people that can FC it with DT are in a completely different skill level from each other. I'm not comparing two different maps and their accuracy and misses; I'm comparing two different players on the same map. Just because you can clear a map doesn't mean you are good at that map in most situations.sKyrOw wrote:
So you are telling me people who pass Pretender + DT are worse than people who FC random maps? Alright.iSpR1Te wrote:
My point was that just being able to pass a map with 85-90% with misses isn't that good compared to 97% full combo on most maps.
Play count doesn't really help. There are quite a few people with 60+ play count and not that good.Bauxe wrote:
Remember, most people in the OWC have 30-50k+ playcount, whist you only have 9k. As you play, you will improve. Simple as that.
Oh so you are telling me that people who can FC certain map are better than people which can pass that map? Wow, never knew.iSpR1Te wrote:
are in a completely different skill level from each other
Except there are no such people, doubt that anyone else besides H4ppySt1ck has ever passed it.iSpR1Te wrote:
people that can FC it with DT
Exactly. It takes a lot more skill to full combo a song than just clear a map with misses, for various reasons that you probably don't understand. This is especially true on very hard maps. If this wasn't true, then the ranking system would not reward people for Full Combos but give a larger reward for clearing extremely difficult feats.sKyrOw wrote:
Oh so you are telling me that people who can FC certain map are better than people which can pass that map? Wow, never knew.iSpR1Te wrote:
are in a completely different skill level from each other
Yup, was just an example. Used the same map as you used so you could relate/understand better.sKyrOw wrote:
Except there are no such people, doubt that anyone else besides H4ppySt1ck has ever passed it.iSpR1Te wrote:
people that can FC it with DT
Edit: for some reason I really feel the need to justify my opinion..
Play count doesn't really help.The stupidest post in this thread.
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Good for me is above average + consistency. If you want to be considered "good" by me you should match my level, that's enough.
I consider myself good since I don't have what it takes to become serious killer or "pro" but there aren't many maps that I can't pass, making me "good". I try not to be prudish like most of players. I know what I am capable of and I don't think there's anything wrong with stating that (though people tend to call me "cocky" or "conceited", fair enough). Calling yourself shit is not okay IMO.
Ok, back to the topic again, I'll put it simply.
OWC Group Stage maps are quite easy so you should FC them in less than 10 tries (Roze is exception) in order to be "pretty good".
btw. why do people even ask about relative things? T.T
I think that question is hard to answer because the standard is constantly changing. There will be no breakthroughs if the bar has always stayed at the same height.
Good is what you call players better than you, generally. I've never known any osu! player who thought they were good players, everyone is always "But I can't do this and that, this other person is so much better"
In my opinion good players are consistent players. They don't randomly miss all the time and make less errors. Some will agree and some will disagree because it's all very subjective.
In my opinion good players are consistent players. They don't randomly miss all the time and make less errors. Some will agree and some will disagree because it's all very subjective.
Because they spam restart every 10seconds. All I am saying is playing more will result in an increase in skill.Raging Bull wrote:
Play count doesn't really help. There are quite a few people with 60+ play count and not that good.Bauxe wrote:
Remember, most people in the OWC have 30-50k+ playcount, whist you only have 9k. As you play, you will improve. Simple as that.
but look at AmaiHachimitsu 2 posts above youPlasticSmoothie wrote:
I've never known any osu! player who thought they were good players
i'm worst player evur ;_;PlasticSmoothie wrote:
In my opinion good players are consistent players. They don't randomly miss all the time and make less errors.
Should perhaps have clarified that I have never known/spoken to anyone who considers themselves good. By that I mean that sure loads of really good players will know that they are good but I have the impression it's pretty rare, since we all see those players that are better than us. :pGoldenWolf wrote:
but look at AmaiHachimitsu 2 posts above youPlasticSmoothie wrote:
I've never known any osu! player who thought they were good playersi'm worst player evur ;_;PlasticSmoothie wrote:
In my opinion good players are consistent players. They don't randomly miss all the time and make less errors.
The better you become, the more you realize how utterly terrible you actually are.
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It's ok I can't pass owc maps too.
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Play count doesn't really help. There are quite a few people with 60+ play count and not that good.Bauxe wrote:
Remember, most people in the OWC have 30-50k+ playcount, whist you only have 9k. As you play, you will improve. Simple as that.
OWC maps mean nothing.
I can pass a good number of them, but I still suck QAQ
Just ignore it and play on.
I can pass a good number of them, but I still suck QAQ
Just ignore it and play on.
good is subjective but to me being good is being able to pass moderate insane difficulty with at least an A
what would you call a moderate insane?
OWC 2013 didn't know we can dl it somewhere 
inb4 scarlet rose...silmarilen wrote:
what would you call a moderate insane?
that's a moderate normal difficultyAlmost wrote:
inb4 scarlet rose...silmarilen wrote:
what would you call a moderate insane?
I'm going to make osu! history and call myself good.
I am good.
I am good.
I consider myself good since I don't have what it takes to become serious killer or "pro" but there aren't many maps that I can't pass, making me "good"Sry I was first.
maps around this difficultysilmarilen wrote:
what would you call a moderate insane?
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I can pass Taketori with an A! Does that mean you think I'm good Buny?buny wrote:
maps around this difficultysilmarilen wrote:
what would you call a moderate insane?
"Good" (adj.):
1. being able to SS without musical aid
2. being able to FC without visual aid
3. being able to FC in the first try (bonus points if HDT / DTHR)
etc.
/me disappears
1. being able to SS without musical aid
2. being able to FC without visual aid
3. being able to FC in the first try (bonus points if HDT / DTHR)
etc.
/me disappears
without visual aid? wat.XK2238 wrote:
"Good" (adj.):
1. being able to SS without musical aid
2. being able to FC without visual aid
3. being able to FC in the first try (bonus points if HDT / DTHR)
etc.
/me disappears
I think me meant to say "Hax"
So, we're good when we can hax?
No wonder why Cookiezi was the best.
No wonder why Cookiezi was the best.
#shotsfiredGoldenWolf wrote:
So, we're good when we can hax?
No wonder why Cookiezi was the best.