- R u m i a - wrote:

rank plz.

PROGUY wrote:

Hi ljq

All I can say about this set is just wow. It's by far the most brutal legit mania set I've ever encountered without abuse of long notes nor speed changes. I could compare it with how difficult this set is with the game the song's from (Yes, I played eXceed 3rd a couple of times.) but let's not go that way.

Let's see... The only issue I have is that the jacks in both Momo's 4K Insane and 7K Exceed at 01:21:800 should've been stairs or double taps (especially since the song's BPM is quite high at 250). Just change those and this set should be good to go.

PROGUY wrote:

Hmm, alright then. I still wouldn't recommend those jacks though, but I'll try to let this slide for now.

If someone else complains about this though, it would then become a requirement to change it in order to get this set ranked.

Good luck though.

dionzz99 wrote:

my complains :O lol

ANY +200 BPM MUST NOT USE JACKHAMMER.
but bangin' burst is just.. idk.. Still has someone FCed.

ljqandylee wrote:

For all that complaining about the jackhammer, I just wondering is there anyone giving opinion from the perspective of the song itself?

Patterns are made for song, that's what I've written on my userpage.

At the bottom of Page 3 of this thread, I've already explained my reason for the jackhammer, it really fits the music imo. If you think it's not, I'm eagering to discuss with you about that, but please don't deny it just because "It's too hard to play for 250BPM so it should be reduced." It's not reasonable. Oni Kanojo also has 1/4 jackhammers for its 202 BPM, and this map just contains 1/3 jackhammer which equals to 187BPM 1/4 jackhammer.

In one word, I'll fix it if someone persuaded me that it doesn't fit the song at all. Otherwise I'll keep it. I won't reduce it just because "it's too hard".

Thanks.

dionzz99 wrote:

ljqandylee wrote:

For all that complaining about the jackhammer, I just wondering is there anyone giving opinion from the perspective of the song itself?

Patterns are made for song, that's what I've written on my userpage.

At the bottom of Page 3 of this thread, I've already explained my reason for the jackhammer, it really fits the music imo. If you think it's not, I'm eagering to discuss with you about that, but please don't deny it just because "It's too hard to play for 250BPM so it should be reduced." It's not reasonable. Oni Kanojo also has 1/4 jackhammers for its 202 BPM, and this map just contains 1/3 jackhammer which equals to 187BPM 1/4 jackhammer.

In one word, I'll fix it if someone persuaded me that it doesn't fit the song at all. Otherwise I'll keep it. I won't reduce it just because "it's too hard".

Thanks.

the silent hitsound???? how about that?

dionzz99 wrote:

the silent hitsound???? how about that?

Ranking Criteria wrote:

Hitsounds from notes and sliders must be audible. These provide feedback for the player, and having them silent in a rhythm game doesn't make much sense. If you don't like the default sounds, then find replacements rather than silencing notes.

PROGUY wrote:

After discussing with Roxas and other players in #osumania, you'll need to get rid of those jacks. While I do understand that it does fit the song (in a way at least), it might also be something that a lot of people would struggle against. It has also been bothering me for a long while that this does require skills beyond human capabilities... or just that they simply look nice to watch in autoplay. Jacks at around 160 - 170 BPM or lower are usually fine, but it would be a whole different story at 250 BPM. Either change it or discuss further why it should stay.

Furthermore...

Ranking Criteria wrote:

Hitsounds from notes and sliders must be audible. These provide feedback for the player, and having them silent in a rhythm game doesn't make much sense. If you don't like the default sounds, then find replacements rather than silencing notes.

Most of the notes in the chart are silenced, which makes this unrankable.

Popped bubble. Sorry.

Raging Bull wrote:

Hmm, im not really in #osumania. But if you want to keep jacks, maybe its easier to put column 3 and 5 instead? Since its mainly index fingers.

PROGUY wrote:

Furthermore...

Ranking Criteria wrote:

Hitsounds from notes and sliders must be audible. These provide feedback for the player, and having them silent in a rhythm game doesn't make much sense. If you don't like the default sounds, then find replacements rather than silencing notes.

Most of the notes in the chart are silenced, which makes this unrankable.

ljqandylee wrote:

3. For the hitsound, I think I've already put enough in this song, and we can put silent hitsound on notes that doesn't need hitsounds, which is said by Loctav. Actually I should say that if I'm enforced to put all hitsound on notes, I will have have no choice but to put soft-normal on them, which will just lead to worse sense for players while playing. I really don't want to do that, as a mapper that wants to make good maps for players.

Roxas wrote:

ljqandylee wrote:

3. For the hitsound, I think I've already put enough in this song, and we can put silent hitsound on notes that doesn't need hitsounds, which is said by Loctav. Actually I should say that if I'm enforced to put all hitsound on notes, I will have have no choice but to put soft-normal on them, which will just lead to worse sense for players while playing. I really don't want to do that, as a mapper that wants to make good maps for players.

I'm not here for ruining things, but when Loctav said it...?
I can see this and this about silent hitsounds, but I can't see that Loctav said it

Ranking Criteria wrote:

You must use hitsounds. Without these, things get way too monotonous as you are throwing away one of the main elements of variation present in mapping. You don't need to place them on every note (and are discouraged from doing so), but they must at least be frequently heard when playing.

ljqandylee wrote:

这图到底为什么不给rank我就想不明白了

richardfeder wrote:

ljqandylee wrote:

这图到底为什么不给rank我就想不明白了

hhhh

Loctav wrote:

They shall reduce volume instead of putting a silent hitsound, so it stays consistent across all used hitsound sets as intended (even custom skin ones)

Roxas wrote:

Loctav wrote:

They shall reduce volume instead of putting a silent hitsound, so it stays consistent across all used hitsound sets as intended (even custom skin ones)

That's what he said 3 days ago

PROGUY wrote:

I had some discussion directly with ljq and other BATs regarding the jacks in 7K Exceed and Momo's 4K Insane. After rechecking and thinking over it, I've finally decided to accept it at ease.

Also, the hitsound problem is resolved too. So here's the bubble again. Good luck!