Improving in alternating speed

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RaneFire

Tjolahop wrote:

It's probably a broad topic with alot of complicated stuff that people don't even bother to explain or not even think about, but i just want to know if there's something, just anything besides pressuring yourself with fast maps (wich is mandatory) that can improve your speed or boost your training the tiniest bit.
There isn't any secret method. Keep playing the stuff that gives you trouble. Eventually you'll get it. Getting impatient doesn't help either, because the learning curve always gets flatter as you get better and progression slows even more.

The only thing that I can tell you is that most of your skill is mental and has less to do with your actual technique. The crucial part is how fast you can send those nerve-signal decisions to your muscles, and how frequently you can send multiple different signals. This is known as transitioning, a key factor in alternating, as well as determining the max BPM you can properly do jumps. This only comes with training and conditioning, i.e. playing more hard stuff and playing it a lot. Just because you can read the map, does not mean you can play it. There is an in-between process. You need to train your mental affinity to your fingers to get them to respond the way they should. This is also confused with having faster reflexes, but it's only better-trained reflexes, or better trained "fingers" (mentally).

So play those fast maps and get used to reading fast stuff, because that's the only way you're gonna develop it. Saying that there is another way of getting faster, other than actually trying to get faster, sounds like bad reasoning. Never confuse reading with execution. Reading is a very broad topic in itself already, and does have common ground with execution, but for the sake of explaining it... they are different things and your reading will always be faster than what you can play.
darkmiz
play scarlet rose every day
Soarezi

darkmiz wrote:

play scarlet rose every day
BUT SCARLET ROSE TOO HARD MENG
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Tjolahop

brendanuhs wrote:

short: just practise
on a side note, i hope you mean 1/4 if 120bpm is your max alternating.
I wrote 135-140, but yes...
shortpotato
Soulg

Soarezi wrote:

darkmiz wrote:

play scarlet rose every day
BUT SCARLET ROSE TOO HARD MENG
shoulda been owc map every round
usa
if you mean your streaming speed, then:
you're mainly using your fingers instead of your wrists when you stream.
if you're a wrist/arm single tapper, that would explain why your fingers are not used to the motion at higher bpm.
only way to improve it is to play stream maps on a wide range of bpm, while giving your fingers sufficient rest.

if you mean playing high bpm maps with full alternate, then:
this is much more difficult than being able to stream high bpm because you not only need adequate speed, but also full control over your alternate.
in this case, you need to be able to read the maps accordingly.

it seems to me you're playing by reaction on these harder maps.
pls don't expect to full combo with good acc by reaction alone until you've drilled this game into your body for a few years.
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Tjolahop

usa wrote:

if you mean your streaming speed, then:
you're mainly using your fingers instead of your wrists when you stream.
if you're a wrist/arm single tapper, that would explain why your fingers are not used to the motion at higher bpm.
only way to improve it is to play stream maps on a wide range of bpm, while giving your fingers sufficient rest.
^precisely, i guess i should just give it more time.
chox
focus on practicing small bursts at faster speed than your actual streaming speed, begining with doubles/triples and then move up to streams with few circles
when it comes to long streams then u need to improve your stamina and be able to do much faster bursts so you can do those streams with relaxed hand and fingers
Soarezi
It took me almost a year to get even this score

Just keep playing, don't expect to become cookiezi instantly. Btw, play fast songs alot. And streamy ones too
Daiyaa
Fawking hell Soarezi I didnt know you could stream that fast
GoldenWolf
It's more stamina than fast streams actually

Anything over 240bpm is too damn fast ;_;
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Tjolahop

chox wrote:

focus on practicing small bursts at faster speed than your actual streaming speed, begining with doubles/triples and then move up to streams with few circles
when it comes to long streams then u need to improve your stamina and be able to do much faster bursts so you can do those streams with relaxed hand and fingers
Great tip, my triples etc. are so clumsy at high bpm and i manage to screw up my technique constantly.

Abit OT but do you guys think playing streamy ar9 maps with halftime and hardrock (around 115bpm maybe) is a good way to start with learning streaming, the od gets quite high and you have to be more accurate with how you follow them and such, or should i stick with lunatics and anothers?
brendanuhs
just get some map around your speed and edit it to od 10 instead.
EcksDee

Tjolahop wrote:

chox wrote:

focus on practicing small bursts at faster speed than your actual streaming speed, begining with doubles/triples and then move up to streams with few circles
when it comes to long streams then u need to improve your stamina and be able to do much faster bursts so you can do those streams with relaxed hand and fingers
Great tip, my triples etc. are so clumsy at high bpm and i manage to screw up my technique constantly.
I'm not a pro player so take everything i say with a mountain of salt but
Try this map if you already haven't and wanna do triples

Pretty fast and lots of triples.
RaneFire
I had such problems with repetitive triplets, I ended up making my own practice maps and test-playing triplet-only parts on maps like kanbu.

I can attest to the issue that a great limiting factor in finger speed in general is your ability to transition between triplets, doubles, 4,5/6 note stacks/streams and singles without your fingers going WTF at these patterns and missing everything. A few days after practicing triplets, I was playing higher than normally comfortable BPM's a bit more comfortably.

I don't quite know how it works, but I think my "finger affinity" analogy is reasonably accurate. I started out with an alternating playstyle where I alternated each triplet, so this is probably where my issue came from.
EcksDee
I wonder if I could theoretically improve my speed by switching from 100% alternating to singletapping, then singletapping with the other finger then back to alternating?
Soarezi
If you want to be fast, never alternate. Keep singletapping, it helps alot if you singletap with both fingers too, from time to time.
EcksDee
Are there literally no fast alternating players? Alternating feels so comfortable to me and I've been doing it since I started.
I'd definitely like to get good with alternating as an end, but I'm wondering more about the means to getting there.
Almost

EcksDee wrote:

Are there literally no fast alternating players? Alternating feels so comfortable to me and I've been doing it since I started.
I'd definitely like to get good with alternating as an end, but I'm wondering more about the means to getting there.
Alternating players tend to have lower stamina and I think they might also have lower maximum stream speeds.
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