Afilia Saga - S.M.L (TV Size) [Taiko]

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kanpakyin

kantokun wrote:

GD please \O/
Please tell me which difficulty do you want to make.
Yuzeyun
Ore no Nounai Sentakushi ga, Gakuen Lovecome o Zenryoku de Jama Shiteiru
not long enough imo rofl *runs*
mingmichael
taiko mods come as request~

Red ~> unrakable issue, must be changed
Blue ~> highly suggested, consider to use it
Black ~> suggestion, just free to choose it


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[ Kantan]

HP and OD change too be 3? well, 2 is too low and i don't know too if Taiko mapset/diff is allowed use 2 for OD and HP
☞ no problem here
• remove this finisher at 00:09:328 - and put the finisher at 00:09:928 - . there's not any finsiher sound that apppear at 00:09:328 - , so that's why i removed it. but, the finsiher sound comes at 00:09:928 - . the song gives finisher sound too there. much better to follow it

• 00:52:528 - don here? it'll follow the low pitch sound at there (vocal pitch sound), same like 00:42:928 - which is don (and the low vocal appears at there too)


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[Futsuu]

☞ HP or OD (or both of them) can be changed to be 4. is 3 not too low for this song?
consider with many 1/2 beat snap divisor notes that you used, like at 00:09:328 - until 00:12:328 - . it's quite long for the futsuu diff, and it's quite hard too for the futsuu player. well, just see some suggestions at the Notes box
• kat at 00:05:728 - and don at 00:07:228 - . i changed them to make consistent notes too like the first part, at 00:00:328 - until 00:02:728 - . they have a same part and also same pitch sounds too. so, consider with the notes that you used. 00:06:178 - has a same pitch sound too like 00:00:928 - and 00:07:228 - has a same pitch sound too like 00:02:428 -

• how about delete 00:10:228 - ? well, i think it's quite hard for the Futsuu player. because it has a long 1/2beat snap divisor notes from 00:09:328 - until 00:12:328 -. and then, it's still has a note after finisher too at 00:09:928 - . i know, you followed the vocal sounds, and it's nice~ but, be more consider again with this. at least, give a little break at there. well, here's just a suggestion btw

• delete 00:19:828 - , the reason is same like above ^ too

• kat at 00:42:328 - , to keep the vocal sound (high vocal sound). it has a same (almost same) pitch sound like 00:42:028 - which is high, and you used kat at there too

• kat too at 00:51:928 -, the reason same like above ^

• you can add finisher at 01:02:728 - . it will follow the finisher sound from the song, and follow the finisher part too like 01:05:128 -

move 01:09:178 - to 01:09:028 - . it's much better to follow the vocal sound. the vocal sound appears at 01:09:028 - too, not at 01:09:178 - that you put it before


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[Muzukashii]

☞ HP can be changed to be 5 i think..
consider with twelve 1/3 beat snap divisor notes from 01:06:528 - until 01:07:528 - . suggestion can be found at the Notes box
☞ some inconsistent patterns with finisher
• kat too at 00:32:053 - . well, i think for the triplet at the Muzukashii diff, it's easier with ooo or ooo, so that's why i changed that to be kat to make it ooo triplet. same like 00:29:578 (149,150,151) - that you used

kat at 00:48:028 - . i changed it because it will follow the vocal sound as well. the vocal sound becomes high at there, you can hear it carefully. and it's much better with kat than don.

• from 01:06:528 - until 01:07:528 - , i have a suggestion here. try to change it first then see my explainations. kats at 01:06:628 - and 01:06:778 - will follow the vocal sounds. i saw you followed the vocal sounds too at the previous notes too. and then ooo triplet at there is too follow the drum hits there, and the last kat 01:07:228 - is to follow the vocal again there

• remove the finisher at 01:18:778 - , because i saw you didn't put it too at 01:21:178 - and 01:23:578 - . and i guess that you followed the vocal sounds at there (?) . well, just be consistent with the finisher that you put

remove kat at 01:26:203 - . just make ooo triplet there. ooooo is quite hard for the Muzukashii player, and you put finisher too after that. consider again with this


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[Oni]

☞ nothing~
☞ some Finisher suggestions that should be added. well, just see at the Notes box
• add finisher at 00:31:528 - , to keep the finisher patterns there. and then, the finisher sound appears too at there, same like 00:29:128 - that you put finisher too at there

• big don at 00:37:728 - . to make a balance increasing pitch sounds too as well. look, it'll be O O O O from 00:37:528 - until 00:38:128 - . well, i think it's much better than O O O O that you put before

• kat at 00:38:428 - , the vocal sound is high at here (even though small sound)

• kat at 00:55:453 - . at this part, ooo triplet gives much stronger pitch sound than ooo

• finisher again at 00:57:928 - . the finisher sound still appears at here, and to keep the finisher pattern too that you put at the previous notes

• finishers again at 01:15:328 - and 01:16:528 -. to keep the strong vocal pitch sound like 01:14:728 - ; 01:15:928 -

• finisher again at 01:26:728 - . same like another diff. to end the song, gives a finsiher


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[Inner Oni]

☞ nothing
consider with finishers that you used at the last part from 01:17:128 - until end. i ever mapped with this patterns too, but TaikoBAT told me to change it. well, it's up you. just consider again at this part
• kat at 00:13:828 - . to keep the kat like 00:13:228 -, because the pattern will be o o o o o o o o from 00:12:328 - until 00:14:278 -

• you can add finsiher at the middle part at 00:17:128 - , to follow the finisher sound at here. i think it's not hard for the Inner Oni diff with this suggestion

• same like above. you can add finisher at 00:19:528 - to follow the finisher sound too at there

kat at 00:31:003 - . so, it'll be ooo triplet there. the triplet which is given much stronger there (to follow the vocal sounds too as well) than ooo that you put before

remove finisher at 00:37:528 - ??! are you sure to use finisher at the last note at stream? i know it is allowed, but the previous notes are ooo. it's quite hard to press the finisher after that. well, i have a suggestion, to delete 00:37:453 - to keep the finisher at 00:37:528 -

• big kat at 00:37:928 - , so the finishers will be O O O O. balance increasing pitch sounds there. same like Oni mod~

• same like Oni diff. kat at 00:38:428 - . it's to follow the high vocal sound eventhough the voice is low

• finisher too at 01:09:928 - , same as 01:07:528 - that you put


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okay that's all
goodluck :)
kuroru
Hi
came from chat.

Sorry...I can't mod easy diff and normal diff ><


[Muzukashi]

00:44:728 (235) - delete
00:44:878 - d
00:45:253 - d
00:45:553 (240) - delete
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01:06:528 (358) - d → 01:06:478 (358) - please move in this place.
This note is mistake because it does not match the song.

or

01:06:528 (358) - delete
---------------------------------------------------------------------


[Oni]

00:44:578 (264) - d
00:44:728 (265) - delete
00:44:878 - add d
00:52:978 (329) - k


[Inner Oni]

00:13:753 - add d
00:31:378 (203) - delete
00:44:578 (303) - k
00:44:653 (304) - delete
00:44:728 (305) - d
00:59:578 (429) - d
01:00:178 (434) - d



I expecting this map :3
Ganbatte~
Topic Starter
kanpakyin

mingmichael wrote:

taiko mods come as request~

Red ~> unrakable issue, must be changed
Blue ~> highly suggested, consider to use it
Black ~> suggestion, just free to choose it


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[ Kantan]

HP and OD change too be 3? well, 2 is too low and i don't know too if Taiko mapset/diff is allowed use 2 for OD and HP [/color]
☞ no problem here
• remove this finisher at 00:09:328 - and put the finisher at 00:09:928 - . there's not any finsiher sound that apppear at 00:09:328 - , so that's why i removed it. but, the finsiher sound comes at 00:09:928 - . the song gives finisher sound too there. much better to follow it //if you listen to the music carefully, you will notice there is a strong beat at 00:09:328 - . That's why I put a finish there.

• 00:52:528 - don here? it'll follow the low pitch sound at there (vocal pitch sound), same like 00:42:928 - which is don (and the low vocal appears at there too) //k


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[Futsuu]

☞ HP or OD (or both of them) can be changed to be 4. is 3 not too low for this song? //same as kantan
consider with many 1/2 beat snap divisor notes that you used, like at 00:09:328 - until 00:12:328 - . it's quite long for the futsuu diff, and it's quite hard too for the futsuu player. well, just see some suggestions at the Notes box [/color]
• kat at 00:05:728 - and don at 00:07:228 - . i changed them to make consistent notes too like the first part, at 00:00:328 - until 00:02:728 - . they have a same part and also same pitch sounds too. so, consider with the notes that you used. 00:06:178 - has a same pitch sound too like 00:00:928 - and 00:07:228 - has a same pitch sound too like 00:02:428 - //I was doing more variation there.

• how about delete 00:10:228 - ? well, i think it's quite hard for the Futsuu player. because it has a long 1/2beat snap divisor notes from 00:09:328 - until 00:12:328 -. and then, it's still has a note after finisher too at 00:09:928 - . i know, you followed the vocal sounds, and it's nice~ but, be more consider again with this. at least, give a little break at there. well, here's just a suggestion btw //I feel it was a bit inconsistent to vocal as I placed the note to fit with it.

• delete 00:19:828 - , the reason is same like above ^ too //^

• kat at 00:42:328 - , to keep the vocal sound (high vocal sound). it has a same (almost same) pitch sound like 00:42:028 - which is high, and you used kat at there too //don to fit the drum there.

• kat too at 00:51:928 -, the reason same like above ^ //^

• you can add finisher at 01:02:728 - . it will follow the finisher sound from the song, and follow the finisher part too like 01:05:128 - //nope, there is no strong beat, I couldn't find any reason to add a finish there.

move 01:09:178 - to 01:09:028 - . it's much better to follow the vocal sound. the vocal sound appears at 01:09:028 - too, not at 01:09:178 - that you put it before [/color]


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[Muzukashii]

☞ HP can be changed to be 5 i think.. //Same as kantan
consider with twelve 1/3 beat snap divisor notes from 01:06:528 - until 01:07:528 - . suggestion can be found at the Notes box
☞ some inconsistent patterns with finisher
• kat too at 00:32:053 - . well, i think for the triplet at the Muzukashii diff, it's easier with ooo or ooo, so that's why i changed that to be kat to make it ooo triplet. same like 00:29:578 (149,150,151) - that you used //sorry have to disagree with you as kdd is very easy and normally use in muzu diff. Also, kdd can fit the hitsound which is what i want.

kat at 00:48:028 - . i changed it because it will follow the vocal sound as well. the vocal sound becomes high at there, you can hear it carefully. and it's much better with kat than don. [/color]

• from 01:06:528 - until 01:07:528 - , i have a suggestion here. try to change it first then see my explainations. kats at 01:06:628 - and 01:06:778 - will follow the vocal sounds. i saw you followed the vocal sounds too at the previous notes too. and then ooo triplet at there is too follow the drum hits there, and the last kat 01:07:228 - is to follow the vocal again there //did some adjustment.

• remove the finisher at 01:18:778 - , because i saw you didn't put it too at 01:21:178 - and 01:23:578 - . and i guess that you followed the vocal sounds at there (?) . well, just be consistent with the finisher that you put //changed 01:23:578

remove kat at 01:26:203 - . just make ooo triplet there. ooooo is quite hard for the Muzukashii player, and you put finisher too after that. consider again with this [/color]


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[Oni]

☞ nothing~
☞ some Finisher suggestions that should be added. well, just see at the Notes box
• add finisher at 00:31:528 - , to keep the finisher patterns there. and then, the finisher sound appears too at there, same like 00:29:128 - that you put finisher too at there

• big don at 00:37:728 - . to make a balance increasing pitch sounds too as well. look, it'll be O O O O from 00:37:528 - until 00:38:128 - . well, i think it's much better than O O O O that you put before //There is no strong beat, so I don't want to put a finisher there.

• kat at 00:38:428 - , the vocal sound is high at here (even though small sound) //mainly base on drum sound.

• kat at 00:55:453 - . at this part, ooo triplet gives much stronger pitch sound than ooo //I think kdd fits the music better.

• finisher again at 00:57:928 - . the finisher sound still appears at here, and to keep the finisher pattern too that you put at the previous notes

• finishers again at 01:15:328 - and 01:16:528 -. to keep the strong vocal pitch sound like 01:14:728 - ; 01:15:928 -

• finisher again at 01:26:728 - . same like another diff. to end the song, gives a finsiher //didn't place a finish there as it didn't fit the music quite well.


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[Inner Oni]

☞ nothing
consider with finishers that you used at the last part from 01:17:128 - until end. i ever mapped with this patterns too, but TaikoBAT told me to change it. well, it's up you. just consider again at this part [/color]
• kat at 00:13:828 - . to keep the kat like 00:13:228 -, because the pattern will be o o o o o o o o from 00:12:328 - until 00:14:278 - //I did this intentionally as I map to drum sound

• you can add finsiher at the middle part at 00:17:128 - , to follow the finisher sound at here. i think it's not hard for the Inner Oni diff with this suggestion

• same like above. you can add finisher at 00:19:528 - to follow the finisher sound too at there //couldn't find a reason for finisher.

kat at 00:31:003 - . so, it'll be ooo triplet there. the triplet which is given much stronger there (to follow the vocal sounds too as well) than ooo that you put before

remove finisher at 00:37:528 - ??! are you sure to use finisher at the last note at stream? i know it is allowed, but the previous notes are ooo. it's quite hard to press the finisher after that. well, i have a suggestion, to delete 00:37:453 - to keep the finisher at 00:37:528 - //It is quite easy to press also it is suitable for inner.

• big kat at 00:37:928 - , so the finishers will be O O O O. balance increasing pitch sounds there. same like Oni mod~ //k

• same like Oni diff. kat at 00:38:428 - . it's to follow the high vocal sound eventhough the voice is low //Same as oni

• finisher too at 01:09:928 - , same as 01:07:528 - that you put


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okay that's all
goodluck :)
Thanks~

kuroru wrote:

Hi
came from chat.

Sorry...I can't mod easy diff and normal diff ><


[Muzukashi]

00:44:728 (235) - delete //nope as i want to fit the drum sound there.
00:44:878 - d
00:45:253 - d
00:45:553 (240) - delete
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01:06:528 (358) - d → 01:06:478 (358) - please move in this place.
This note is mistake because it does not match the song.

or

01:06:528 (358) - delete
---------------------------------------------------------------------


[Oni]

00:44:578 (264) - d
00:44:728 (265) - delete //same as muzu
00:44:878 - add d
00:52:978 (329) - k


[Inner Oni]

00:13:753 - add d
00:31:378 (203) - delete //I added kat there to follow the vocal.
00:44:578 (303) - k
00:44:653 (304) - delete //same as muzu
00:44:728 (305) - d
00:59:578 (429) - d //to fit the pitch there.
01:00:178 (434) - d //^



I expecting this map :3
Ganbatte~
No reply means it was fixed.
Loneight
Hi~
Request from In-game.


  • Black is just suggestion, if you don't like , you can skip it
    Blue is recommended to fix
    red is unrankable issue

[Kantan]

  1. 00:36:328 (1,1) - d is a little close to the spinner, it's a little hard for Kantan
  2. 00:55:978 (25,26) - the rhythm is a little weird, try to change (26) to 00:56:428 -
  3. 01:24:028 - empty there make me feel weird, how about add a d?

nice!

[Futsuu]

  1. 00:02:728 (8,9) - how about change (8) to k? to make a symmetry with 00:00:328 (1,2) - IMO or change (9) to k to make rhythm be same as 00:00:328 (1,2) -
  2. 00:19:078 - try to add a note for there would be more suitable, I find you have used 1/2 before this note, why don't use 1/2 for there?
  3. 00:47:428 (132) - how about change to D to emphasize the vocal?

so great ;w;

[Muzukashii]

  1. I think the diff a little hard for Muzukashii, because of BPM, too many 3 plet would make diff harder, try to reduce some 3 plet?

  2. 00:03:028 (11) - change to d to make a symmetry with 00:00:328 (1,2,3) -
  3. 00:27:928 (143,145) - change to D to express the vocal variation, all are K feel a little dull IMO...

I have tried~ the diff is too great ;w;

[Oni]

  1. 00:17:803 - or 00:17:953 -choose one to add d for there, because the part a little empty for oni. Also, 00:25:753 - is same as here
  2. 00:28:228 (173) - change to D would be better for rhythm,
  3. 00:33:928 (199,201,203,205) - how about change to D to emphasize the sound?
  4. 00:37:078 (215,216,217,218,219) - change to ddkkd to make 00:36:328 (207,211,213,217) - more suitable for the vocal
  5. 00:40:978 (240) - try to move to 00:40:678 - to follow vocal would be better
  6. 01:00:553 (375) - move to 01:00:853 - would be better for song, because I can't hear 01:00:553 (375,376) - why have 2 plot
  7. 01:26:728 (520) - change to D to emphasize the ending?
  8. 01:25:978 (512,513,514,515,516,517,518) - there sound weird, how about remove 01:26:053 (513) - , 01:26:053 (513) - move to 01:25:753 - and 01:26:428 (518) - change to k?

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[Inner Oni]

  1. 00:04:828 (23) - change to K to emphasize the vocal
  2. 00:07:078 - and 00:07:378 - try to add k to follow the drum?, I think there is a little empty for the diff
  3. 00:27:928 (183,185) - same as Muzukashii ~
  4. 01:06:628 (483,484,485,486,487,488,489,490,491) - the speed change make there hard to read, how about this like the picture?
  5. 01:26:653 (611,612) - this is too easily break the combo when the bpm is 200 and speed change is 1.50x, try to remove (611) and change 01:26:503 (609,610,611) - to d

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that's all!
good luck!
star~ gogogo~
Topic Starter
kanpakyin

Loneight wrote:

Hi~
Request from In-game.


  • Black is just suggestion, if you don't like , you can skip it
    Blue is recommended to fix
    red is unrankable issue

[Kantan]

  1. 00:36:328 (1,1) - d is a little close to the spinner, it's a little hard for Kantan //nope as taiko spinner is not the same as standard spinner.
  2. 00:55:978 (25,26) - the rhythm is a little weird, try to change (26) to 00:56:428 -
  3. 01:24:028 - empty there make me feel weird, how about add a d?

nice!

[Futsuu]

  1. 00:02:728 (8,9) - how about change (8) to k? to make a symmetry with 00:00:328 (1,2) - IMO or change (9) to k to make rhythm be same as 00:00:328 (1,2) -
  2. 00:19:078 - try to add a note for there would be more suitable, I find you have used 1/2 before this note, why don't use 1/2 for there? //it may become too hard for futsuu
  3. 00:47:428 (132) - how about change to D to emphasize the vocal?

so great ;w;

[Muzukashii]

  1. I think the diff a little hard for Muzukashii, because of BPM, too many 3 plet would make diff harder, try to reduce some 3 plet?
    //Still in a acceptable range
  2. 00:03:028 (11) - change to d to make a symmetry with 00:00:328 (1,2,3) -
  3. 00:27:928 (143,145) - change to D to express the vocal variation, all are K feel a little dull IMO... //no because i want to emphasize the high pitch.

I have tried~ the diff is too great ;w;

[Oni]

  1. 00:17:803 - or 00:17:953 -choose one to add d for there, because the part a little empty for oni. Also, 00:25:753 - is same as here //sorry but I can't find a reason to place a triplet there.
  2. 00:28:228 (173) - change to D would be better for rhythm, //same as muzu
  3. 00:33:928 (199,201,203,205) - how about change to D to emphasize the sound? //i personally don't want to do this in oni
  4. 00:37:078 (215,216,217,218,219) - change to ddkkd to make 00:36:328 (207,211,213,217) - more suitable for the vocal //I followed the drum here.
  5. 00:40:978 (240) - try to move to 00:40:678 - to follow vocal would be better //^
  6. 01:00:553 (375) - move to 01:00:853 - would be better for song, because I can't hear 01:00:553 (375,376) - why have 2 plot
  7. 01:26:728 (520) - change to D to emphasize the ending? //big don is too strong there while it doesn't have any strong beat.
  8. 01:25:978 (512,513,514,515,516,517,518) - there sound weird, how about remove 01:26:053 (513) - , 01:26:053 (513) - move to 01:25:753 - and 01:26:428 (518) - change to k? //nope, I just simply follow the drum.

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[Inner Oni]

  1. 00:04:828 (23) - change to K to emphasize the vocal
  2. 00:07:078 - and 00:07:378 - try to add k to follow the drum?, I think there is a little empty for the diff
  3. 00:27:928 (183,185) - same as Muzukashii ~ //same as muzu
  4. 01:06:628 (483,484,485,486,487,488,489,490,491) - the speed change make there hard to read, how about this like the picture?
  5. 01:26:653 (611,612) - this is too easily break the combo when the bpm is 200 and speed change is 1.50x, try to remove (611) and change 01:26:503 (609,610,611) - to d //I did this intentionally.

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that's all!
good luck!
star~ gogogo~
Dainesl
Well, um, here's your Taiko mod I guess.

General

I was thinking that you could end Kiai Time at 00:57:928 - instead because the song gets less intense, and then you have tons of finishers from 01:17:128 - because the vocals get really intense, so I'd probably put another Kiai Time there up until 01:26:728 - but that's just me.

Kantan

00:24:028 (39,40) - Seriously? 300ms between these and you put a finisher? Beginners aren't gonna be too used to this so maybe work around this somehow.

00:36:328 (1,1,2) - I'd probably extend the spinner to (2) because seriously, note 1 is really close to the spinner in terms of timing. Yeah, it's only OD 2 but you need to give beginners some time to react. Two beats are better than one!

00:55:978 (25,26) - Not sure why these notes are on the red tick, unless you're following something

01:26:728 (81,1) - Again, a don really close to a spinner. I'm not sure what beginners would think of this since I'm not one myself, but just to be on the safe side you should probably work around that.

Futsuu

The beginning of this is really dense, with lots of 1/2 usage. Tone it down a bit, jeez.

00:09:328 (26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36) - This constant 1/1 usage might be a bit hard for new players, especially 'cause 200 BPM.

00:19:228 (55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64) - ^

00:36:328 (105,106) - Really now? Why did you put the note after the slider really close to it? Delete that note and extend the slider to where it was.

The Kiai Time seems less dense than the beginning part of the song, which really doesn't seem right. If you're gonna use long 1/1 patterns, use them in the Kiai Time. It kinda seems you're following the vocals too much in the beginning.

I would complain about the note being really close to the end spinner but it's a Futsuu so I'll be more lenient about that.

Okay um as I was writing this I had to update so that's a major inconvenience. Apologies if the Kantan/Futsuu mods become useless to you.

Muzukashii

00:27:028 (140,141,142,143,144,145,146,147) - such finisher spam. Why is this even necessary, especially when you put zero finishers on 00:30:328 (155,156,157,158) - these notes, when they need them!

00:47:428 (253,254,255) - Maybe put finishers on 253 and 255 to emphasize the vocals.

01:06:628 (359,360,361,362,363,364,365,366,367,368) - Oh god this 1/3 pattern. This is kinda OP for a Muzu especially because there are zero complex rhythms in the earlier diffs. If possible, make this a little bit simpler. Yeah, it's all dons, but still.

Oni

I couldn't really find anything, an excellent Oni diff! (imo)

Inner Oni

00:17:878 (109,110,111) - Not too sure about this pattern, doesn't really fit imo.

00:37:228 (249,250,251,252,253) - I'd consider getting rid of 250 and 252 to fit the vocals, unless you want to keep it like that.

00:59:878 (435,436,437) - Again, not too sure about this pattern.

Well, um, I really like this mapset. Sure, it's not perfect, but it's good for what it's trying to achieve. Just needs some more modding. :D
taiko_maniac1811
Taiko mod as requested by kanpakyin :3

  • [Kantan]

    - nothing to point out here overall ww

    [Futsuu]

  1. 00:05:728 (17) - k? plays better imo
  2. 00:15:178 (43) - move this to 00:15:328 follow the vocals better
  3. 00:24:628 (71) - move this to 00:24:928 and don't add finish for it, plays better here

    nice futsuu overall :3

    [Muzukashii]
  4. 00:02:428 (9,10,11,12) - invert this to k d k d, as it plays better like this
  5. 00:03:628 (13) - k? same as Oni
  6. 00:04:078 (15,16,17) - d d d? same as Oni
  7. 00:04:678 (18) - k? same as Oni
  8. 00:07:228 (28) - k? plays better imo
  9. 00:20:203 (100) - delete?
  10. 00:25:078 (128) - move this to 00:24:928 plays better here imo
  11. 00:25:378 (130) - delete?
  12. 00:34:228 (173,176) - delete? not needed here imo and will make muzu abit easier
    00:35:428 (179,182) - same for these two ^
  13. 00:43:003 (224) - move this to 00:42:853 to have a better flow
  14. 00:51:253 (272) - delete? plays abit easier
  15. 01:00:178 (324) - delete? doesn't fit the vocals well here
  16. 01:26:053 (452) - ^

    [Oni]

    - about the speed up in kiai time, I don't think it's necessary as it only speed ups 1.1x, so imo I rather not use it for Oni (u can keep if u want to)
  17. 00:01:228 (4) - d? plays better for me
  18. 00:06:028 (23) - ^
  19. 00:08:878 (35) - k?
  20. 00:12:928 (64) - delete? plays better imo
  21. 00:22:078 (130) - ^
  22. 00:24:478 (150) - ^
  23. 00:52:228 (325) - k? have better flow for the vocals
  24. 00:52:828 (329) - ^
  25. 00:54:328 (338) - move this to 00:54:478 plays with the vocals better?
  26. 01:11:428 (434) - k here to follow the drums?
  27. 01:25:828 (511) - k? follow the vocals better
  28. 01:26:203 (515) - move this to 01:26:503 and change it to d? plays better here imo

    [Inner Oni]

    - those speed ups..
  29. 00:04:678 (22) - k? fit the vocals better
  30. 00:06:178 (28) - d? plays better for me
  31. 00:06:853 - add k?
  32. 00:08:878 (42) - k?
  33. 00:13:753 (78) - move this to 00:13:603 plays better here imo
  34. 00:15:028 (87) - k? flows with the vocal better
  35. 00:16:153 - add d here to fit the vocals
    00:16:228 (96) - if above is added, then change this k to have a better flow
    00:16:453 (98) - delete this if above is done
  36. 00:24:778 (162) - d?
  37. 00:31:153 - add d to fit the vocals better?
  38. 00:37:453 (252) - delete pls ;w;? too harsh for me to hit it lol
  39. 00:39:253 - add d here to have a better start and flow for this section
  40. 00:43:528 (298) - d to fit the base drums?
    00:43:828 (300) - if above is done u could change this to k
  41. 00:48:253 (342) - delete .w.?
  42. 00:48:778 - add d here? too empty for me .w.
  43. 01:12:853 - add d?
  44. 01:26:578 (612) - delete this? i don't think it's necessary though .w. and it fits the vocal better
  45. 01:26:728 (614) - d? or could start the spinner here if u like

that's all from me
good luck :3
Topic Starter
kanpakyin
Let me jot down what I don't want to change.

>Dainesl
<General>
nope, as 00:57:928 - is still in climax. I don't want to stop the kiai there.

<kantan>
00:24:328 (40) - I don't see a problem there, as it changes from k to K and it fits the music.
00:56:278 (25) - to fit with vocal.
01:26:878 (1) - This is not a problem as there is no any note after the spinner.

<Futsuu>
- Not really, they are not that dense also they are in the same color notes, so it isn't that hard to hit them.
00:09:328 (26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35) - I really want to fit the music here, so I won't change this part for now.
00:19:228 (55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64) - ^

<Muzu>
00:27:028 (140,141,142,143,144,145,146,147) - Simple, because they fit the strong beat there.
00:47:428 (253,254,255) - I wouldn't put the finisher on those notes as there is no strong beat (not really stronger than others).
01:06:628 (359,360,361,362,363,364,365,366,367,368) - kdddddddd is simple enough.

<Inner>
00:17:878 (109,110,111) - They fit the pitch.
00:37:228 (249,250,251,252,253) - I was following the drum sound there not the vocal.
00:59:878 (435,436,437) - pitch again.


>taiko_maniac1811
<Futsuu>
00:05:728 (17) - nope, in order to fit with 00:03:328 (9) -
00:15:178 (43) - I was following the instrument.

<muzu>
00:02:428 (9,10,11,12) - nope as i was following the pitch there.
00:07:228 (28) - kat doesn't fit the pitch quite well imo.
00:25:378 (129) - why? Don't get the reason.
00:25:078 (127) - nope. As I want to make more variation on this difficulty.
01:00:178 (318) - This was following the pitch, not the vocal.
01:26:053 (446) - ^

<oni>
-Speed up is necessary, as I made a progressive increase in the speed up across muzu -> Oni -> Inner Oni, therefore I have my own consideration here.
00:08:878 (36) - to follow the pitch
00:12:928 (64) - I don't get the reason
00:22:078 (130) - ^
00:24:478 (150) - ^
00:52:228 (325) - there is no any obvious pitch change.
00:52:828 (329) - I followed the drum sound there.
01:11:428 (434) - kat doesn't fit the drum sound. You may listen to it more carefully.
01:25:828 (511) - don fits the pitch better.

<Inner>
-speed-ups were intentionally designed.
00:04:678 (22) - don fits the pitch better.
00:08:878 (42) - ^
00:13:753 - not really?
00:16:153 - nope, it doesn't fit the music.
00:39:253 - it doesn't fit the music
00:48:328 (344) - would like to reserve this. As it fits the music quite well
00:48:778 - but it doesn't fit the music
spboxer3
bubble~
19:32 spboxer3: 在?
19:32 kanpakyin: 恩
19:32 spboxer3: 等等有事?
19:32 kanpakyin: 不知道...
19:32 spboxer3: 可以IRC看不?
19:32 kanpakyin: 應該可以 0.0
19:33 *spboxer3 is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/322524 Afilia Saga - S.M.L (TV Size) [Futsuu]]
19:33 spboxer3: 00:00:928 (2,17) - 這兩段part的做法不同 我是建議Futsuu作的相同些會更好
19:34 spboxer3: 相同的pattern會讓玩起來更容易讀懂
19:34 kanpakyin: 好把
19:39 spboxer3: 00:36:328 (105) - 這個slider後面接著大圓 其他難度我覺得還OK 可是這最簡單的難度可能會太難 slider減少到00:36:928 - 或許可以解決這樣的問題
19:40 kanpakyin: 不是最簡單啊= =
19:40 kanpakyin: futsuu
19:40 spboxer3: 喔擦 我居然開錯了
19:40 kanpakyin: ....
19:40 spboxer3: 好 因為這是在最上面 我慣性就以為是...>_>
19:41 kanpakyin: 0.0
19:44 *spboxer3 is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/322538 Afilia Saga - S.M.L (TV Size) [Kantan]]
19:44 spboxer3: 00:24:328 (40) -
19:44 spboxer3: 這個不用D?
19:44 spboxer3: 前面兩個小節的開頭都用d這地方不整合一下?
19:45 kanpakyin: K比較合..我覺得
19:45 kanpakyin: 而且k -> K沒這麼難
19:46 spboxer3: 00:35:728 (59,60) - 交換一下? 00:33:928 (56,57,58,59) - 這四個我認為是一體的(從音樂的角度看) 所以用同樣的note會更好
19:47 kanpakyin: 00:36:328 (60) - 加了kat
19:47 kanpakyin: 前面的KAT保留
19:48 spboxer3: 這樣便更難了吧orz...
19:48 kanpakyin: 不會啊= =
19:48 kanpakyin: Kat Kat同一種按法啊
19:48 kanpakyin: 不會更難得
19:49 spboxer3: K k D
19:49 spboxer3: 現在改成這樣不是
19:49 kanpakyin: 不阿
19:49 kanpakyin: D K K d 這樣啊
19:50 kanpakyin: 00:36:328 -
19:50 kanpakyin: 這邊阿
19:52 spboxer3: 我以為你是加上去
19:52 spboxer3: 原來是改成K
19:53 kanpakyin: 0.0恩
19:54 *spboxer3 is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/322428 Afilia Saga - S.M.L (TV Size) [Muzukashii]]
19:54 spboxer3: 00:03:628 (13,14) - 我認為dk會更適合音樂
19:54 spboxer3: 畢竟前面你都用了dk kd這種的擺法 我想應該不會有難度問題
19:54 kanpakyin: 恩好
19:56 spboxer3: 我覺得後頭的三連有點亂阿 感覺比較像各個可以擺的方式都擺過一次...
19:56 kanpakyin: 不阿 = =你開test聽會很舒服的
19:57 spboxer3: 然後00:19:528 (95,96,97,98,99,100,101,102,103) - 前頭這段有三連 可是後頭這段沒有
19:58 kanpakyin: 其實我不想一整part下那麼多3連才決定這邊不放的
19:58 spboxer3: 00:37:378 (187) - 刪掉這個會讓後頭的D更好打 而且打擊音感覺不會這麼雜
19:59 kanpakyin: 好把
20:00 spboxer3: 00:47:128 (246,247,248,249) - kdkk會來的更好 我其實是看歌詞的韻腳來做判斷的 246,248,249這三個點都有押韻 而247的位置明顯和另外三個不同 所以我會這樣建議
20:01 kanpakyin: 好
20:02 spboxer3: 00:56:728 (301,302,303,304) - 那這邊有要考慮嗎? KDDK
20:03 kanpakyin: 這邊還是保留
20:03 spboxer3: 好
20:03 kanpakyin: 因為K K K K屬於同一個水平上
20:03 kanpakyin: pitch
20:03 spboxer3: OK
20:04 spboxer3: 01:07:328 (360,361) - 相較於其他難度 我認為Muzu在這邊還可以更簡單點 所以我會建議刪除 即使後頭有鼓音 但是刪除並不會造成音樂上的不和諧
20:05 kanpakyin: ....其實我覺得kddddddd也難不到那去= =
20:05 kanpakyin: 也沒變速甚麼的
20:05 spboxer3: 嘛 主要是1/3>_>
20:05 spboxer3: 太長的1/3容易打歪
20:05 spboxer3: 不容易打300
20:05 spboxer3: 也就是良
20:06 kanpakyin: 這邊還是堅持保留- -
20:06 spboxer3: 好
20:08 spboxer3: 01:25:528 (441,442,443,444,445,446,447,448,449,450) - 最尾端這樣擺我真心覺得不適合 因為歌曲本身並沒有這樣的鼓音或是歌詞 而且01:25:978 - 到01:26:128 - 不管是鼓或是歌詞都是斷句 你卻把這個連起來了
20:09 kanpakyin: 麻= = 為甚麼我不覺得...
20:09 kanpakyin: 01:25:978 - 這邊開始很明顯有個5連
20:09 kanpakyin: 音樂上
20:10 spboxer3: 難道我們mp3不同= =? 為什麼我沒聽到阿
20:11 kanpakyin: = =
20:11 kanpakyin: 我怎麼聽都有= =
20:11 spboxer3: ...
20:12 spboxer3: 我覺得需要有第三人來聽聽看
20:13 kanpakyin: 0.0
20:13 spboxer3: 我把note移掉 甚麼都沒聽到阿orz...
20:13 spboxer3: 你說的5連是甚麼的5連?
20:14 kanpakyin: 01:25:978 (444,445,446,447,448) -
20:14 spboxer3: 音樂本身有?
20:15 spboxer3: 我的看法是這樣的01:25:528 (441,443,444,445) - 這四個應該是一體 可是現在是01:25:978 (445) - 直接接到下句去了 沒有一點休息的時間
20:16 kanpakyin: 音樂有阿= =
20:16 kanpakyin: O O OOOOO O 這樣的
20:16 kanpakyin: 但是我多加一個note變成了
20:16 kanpakyin: OOO OOOOO O
20:16 kanpakyin: 而已
20:17 spboxer3: 難道是所謂年紀越大聽不見的聲音越多嗎= =
20:17 spboxer3: 我怎麼聽都沒有。。。
20:17 spboxer3: 用25%聽也沒
20:18 kanpakyin: = =
20:18 spboxer3: 我去找Sco來聽聽看
20:18 kanpakyin: 奇怪了= =
20:18 kanpakyin: 果然是sp3老了 (茶~
20:18 spboxer3: 我是認真的說 我真的沒聽到阿orz...=_=
20:20 spboxer3: 算了 這地方先跳過
20:20 spboxer3: 等等看有沒有人能來check
20:21 *spboxer3 is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/321291 Afilia Saga - S.M.L (TV Size) [Oni]]
20:21 spboxer3: 00:36:928 (213,214,215,216,217,218,219) - 這地方飛翔沒有說?
20:22 spboxer3: kkddkkk會更好 和之前說的韻腳同理
20:22 spboxer3: 00:36:328 (207,211,213,217) - 這四個音是這句詞的位置
20:23 kanpakyin: 好
20:28 *spboxer3 is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/321064 Afilia Saga - S.M.L (TV Size) [Inner Oni]]
20:28 spboxer3: 00:36:328 (238,239,240,241,242,243,244,245,246,247,248,249,250,251,252,253,254) -
20:28 spboxer3: 這邊那個三連有點詭異阿 感覺搶了1/4拍
20:29 spboxer3: 畢竟這邊歌詞還是比較重的
20:29 spboxer3: 聽起來就會搶拍
20:29 kanpakyin: 我改了
20:29 kanpakyin: 變成了一大串
20:30 spboxer3: :o 一大串是?
20:31 kanpakyin: 全連在一起了
20:31 spboxer3: 等等上傳在看好了:o
20:32 spboxer3: 01:26:653 (615,616) - 你確定這有良心? BPM200耶
20:33 kanpakyin: 時間點錯了?
20:33 kanpakyin: 這邊是1/2阿
20:33 spboxer3: inner
20:33 spboxer3: 應該沒錯吧
20:33 spboxer3: 還是你前面刪note了?
20:34 kanpakyin: ....
20:34 spboxer3: 01:26:653 -
20:34 spboxer3: 這邊和後面那個D
20:34 kanpakyin: Inner阿 = =
20:34 kanpakyin: 我覺得是可以
20:34 kanpakyin: 好把刪掉了
20:35 spboxer3: 你是刪大圓還是k??
20:36 kanpakyin: 大圓
20:36 spboxer3: 我傾向刪k 不過刪大圓也可
20:39 spboxer3: 01:07:678 - 這條直接改成0.9吧 後面0.85刪了 這樣打起來更順
20:40 spboxer3: 因為0.85那個位置減速的很沒有理由
20:41 kanpakyin: 我1.0 -? 0.85
20:41 kanpakyin: 0.85 -> 0.6
20:41 kanpakyin: 本來我是在01:06:628 - 這邊開始減速的
20:42 spboxer3: 不阿 01:09:928 - 這地方減速沒道理阿
20:43 kanpakyin: 全變成了0.7
20:43 spboxer3: 01:07:528 - 這地方記得別變
20:43 spboxer3: 我來看看0.7會不會覆蓋很嚴重...
20:44 spboxer3: 太嚴重了...
20:44 spboxer3: 會被那個大圓擋住...
20:44 spboxer3: 估計要有ar10的反應能力才能打...
20:45 kanpakyin: 矮油
20:45 kanpakyin: 0.85算
20:45 spboxer3: ok
20:45 spboxer3: 就這樣
20:46 kanpakyin: 我上傳
20:46 spboxer3: 等你傳
20:50 spboxer3: Futsuu 00:27:028 (78) - 這個是K?
20:54 spboxer3: 01:26:428 (239) - K 根據你的kantan這邊是下K 而建議你這邊也下K
20:58 spboxer3: 咦 00:36:328 (238,239,240,241,242,243,244,245,246,247,248,249,250,251,252,253,254) - Inner這段沒改??
Yuzeyun
I was planning to mod that but since I had to clear my queue... couldn't catch up. fack mi life
OnosakiHito
You popped it by your own, so I don't have to do it.

[Kantan]

The beginning and some other parts probably won't work well in its current state. You are using a few notes which have in general a larger spacing. This spacing gets shrinked by the SV 1.00 and so it becomes really hard to differ between the 1/1 and 3/4 spacings. That means it becomes really hard to read. Might be even a problem for experienced mappers at the beginning.

E.g. 00:04:378 (6) - you can move to 00:04:528, it works better with the patterns and keep a consistent spacing. Also it is rather questionable to use one kat for an actual k k k k pattern. I think this will confuse the beginner even more.
00:05:728 (8,9,10,11,12,13,14) - This part becomes even harder, you have now different spacings which is hard to be followed due to the note density and the small SV.
01:05:728 (42,43) - This would be okay, vocals are pretty clear which wasn't the case before.


Hint: The less notes and the smaller the SV, the more patterns become hard to read. So, when the SV is higher, you can differ the notes between each other better. (or rather the spacing).

[Futsuu - Muzukahii]

The spread between those two diffs is high.
Futsuu contains mostly 1/1 notes while Muzukashii has complicated 1/2 patterns with additional 1/4 and even a long 1/3. Also the spread becomes smaller / denser in the higher difficulties while in the lower it is pretty high.

I will visualize it for all difficulties for a better comprehension, beginning with Kantan and ending with Inner:






Another thing is that Muzukashii contains Oni patterns on a 200 BPM map:

00:13:528 (61,62,63,64) - Such cases can be accepted, but preferable having a gap between oox patterns since those patterns are considered as hard in Muzukashii. You know, common use are monotonically triplets.
00:25:078 (127,128,129,130,131,132,133,134,135,136,137) - On this BPM it becomes already quite hard.
00:31:978 (160,161,162) - kdd patterns are the "hardest" triplet since the way of hitting them is different to the others, since you have to alternate in a more unlike way.
00:40:228 (199,200,201,202,203,204,205,206) - This can be accepted.
00:51:028 (263,264,265,266,267,268,269,270,271,272,273) - Now you started to combinate various tiplets together. Rather Oni like.
01:06:628 (352,353,354,355,356,357,358,359,360,361) - 1/3 are fine in a Muzukashii, but don't you think this is a bit long for this level...? I would rather suggest not doing this (also don't forget how other people might look at it and copy such patterns -> Muzukashii become harder).
01:25:528 (440,441,442,443,444,445,446,447,448,449) - You used it once, but this is still Oni level. Also having a usage of 5-plets in a map where you didn't use any before is questionable as well.

I wrote much, but I want to convince you mapping a new Muzukashii and rename current one to Oni. That's what I suggest.
To ensure my-self about this move, I asked some Taiko guys for confirmation and they agree that it is rather questionable. Maybe Tasha has something to say about this as well. I also asked some higher BATs about the rule for spreads and the opinion is pretty clear: Spread in map-sets are really important.

Didn't checked the higher diffs yet, but current diffs seem to be fine. Still, you should add an easier Muzu, so you don't have to change your current one.

For now that's all. I will mod it later as whole set again.

Edit: I see right now mingmichael suggested some of these changes as well.
mingmichael
ming comes o/
recheck again as ono 's request


Red ~> unrakable issue, must be changed
Blue ~> highly suggested, consider to use it
Black ~> suggestion, just free to choose it


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[ Kantan]

☞ okay~
☞ basicly, i'm agree with Ono's mod about the note spacings (and you use 1.00 for the SV too), it'll make the kantan player read it harder there. for the example like at 00:27:928 (46,47) - ; 00:30:328 (50,51) - ; 00:41:128 (8,9) - (some notes has been talked by ono, so i didn't mention them). well, some suggestions will be added at the Notes box
• add a note (kat) at 00:28:528 - . well, it's too keep the spacing. you use the spacing there 3/4, and it's quite hard for the Kantan player. yeah, i know that you wanted to follow the instrument sound, and it's nice. but, consider for the player whom will play this

• move 00:31:228 - to 00:30:928 - . same as above too the reason. to keep the spacing there.

• move 00:56:278 - to 00:56:128 - and add kat at 00:56:428 - . i know if you wanted follow the vocal and instrument at the red strike. well, it's nice. but, please consider again for the kantan player

• delete 01:24:028 - . well, i saw that you didn't put that note at 01:21:628 - :c so, just be consistent like the previous part


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[Futsuu]

☞ okay~
☞ well nothing
• delete 00:45:178 - . there's not any sounds at here :/

• move 00:55:978 - to 00:56:128 - . there's not any reasons to put that at 00:56:128 - , since it doesn't have any sounds there too. and it's quite weird too


====================


[Muzukashii]

☞ okay~
i am agree with Ono. this muzu has Oni patterns basicly. Ono has mentioned it before. well, i will try to give some suggestions for you at the Notes Box
• 00:09:778 (41,42) - delete these notes. well, i know that you want to follow the drums hits there which appear. but, it's really like Oni pattern actually. why do you not use a simple pattern there for this muzu? consider with it

• delete 00:13:678 - ; 00:13:753 - and 00:14:128 - . and change to be don 00:13:978 - . you can see, the notes will be o oo o o. it's better than the previous one that you used (which is like Oni pattern too as well)

• delete this too 00:15:553 -

• delete 00:23:278 - ; 00:23:353 - ; and 00:23:728 - and change 00:23:578 - to be don. same like the second mod. just make a simple pattern for the muzu

• it's quite weird that you followed background sound at 00:24:778 - . move to 00:24:928 - and change to be don. it will follow the vocal sounds better than before, and it'll follow the basic pattern too as well

• delete 00:29:653 - too

00:31:978 - until 00:32:128 - which you used ooo triplet. i and ono have talked about this problem that ooo triplet isn't easy like you said before, "very easy and normally use in muzu diff". please consider it again

• change 00:36:628 - to be kat and delete 00:36:778 - ; 00:37:003 - . it's really weird too use ooo o o ooo o there._. i didn't get why you used it there. you can look at my mod here, it will follow all the vocal sounds better right?

• delete 00:43:453 - . there's not any reason to use triplet there. and add finisher at 00:43:528 -, because the finisher sound comes at here

• delete too 00:47:053 -

• delete 00:51:853 - and 00:52:078 - . and you can see after you delete them, the notes will follow the vocal sounds better too there

• delete 00:53:053 - ; 00:53:953 - ; 01:00:853 - ; 01:02:353 -. the reason same like the previos mods

from 01:06:628 - until 01:07:528 - . well, i have told you before at the lastest mod. but you still ignore me :/ i and Ono has a same argument at here. it's not easy for the muzukashii player. please be consider with the player whom will play this

from 01:25:528 - until 01:26:428 - are same like above too. it's 100% like Oni patterns at there. well, you still ignore me at there, just up to you


=====================


okay just that's all for my mods
sorry, if i just modded Kantan, Futsuu and Muzukashii, because i should go now =~=
i just want to say, i know i am a begginer modder (just 6months) and you just ignored my mods easily, because maybe you think that my mods are not really good for you. okay it's not problem, all mappers have their own mapping style. but, i mention a same thing like Ono said before. be consider with your Muzukashii diff. basicly it has some (not some, but many) Oni patterns there that you used it. if you still don't want to use my Muzukashii mods, well noproblem. BUT, change it's name to be Oni, and you should map a new Muzukashii diff which is easier.

okay that's all from me. goodluck kpy, you can you cann :oops:
Topic Starter
kanpakyin
>Ono
For kantan diff, I will take a look later but don't expect me to change too much on it. When I mapped the Kantan diff, I was thinking about the music, which meant I mainly focused on music. So, here, I am really reluctant to change any rhythmic pattern in this diff. I know your criteria are based on TNT game but osu!Taiko isn't TNT. Giving more freedom to mapper would be a right manner to go. As for the confusion, I don't really think that would be a problem. Why don't you think 3/4 and 1/1 are hard to distinguish? There is a clear boundary between these notes, which makes you to identify them easily. You should know that confusion of something is a subjective view. But okay, I make a compromise here, I change the sv to 1.1

leave this here first, will check your mod later.

>mingmichael
got the clarification.

Will check the mod later.

mod reply:
>Ono
<Kantan>
-As talked in IRC, did some minor change and adjusted the sv

<Futsuu - Muzukahii>
- All fixed and did some adjustment by myself.

>mingmichael
<Kantan>
00:31:228 - I would like to emphasize the drum sound there, so no change.

<Futsuu>
-All fixed

<Muzukashii>
- Most notes were rearranged. I guess also these problems were fixed.
OnosakiHito
Recheck. - Mostly suggestions.

[Futsuu]
00:09:928 (28) - You mapped to the vocal, so maybe you would like to delete this note
00:15:178 - I think moving this note to 00:15:328 would fit more to the vocal.
00:17:128 - And this note could be changed to don finisher to keep your beat consistent (every 4/4 1x don).
00:19:828 - Maybe delete this one as well and change to finisher kat. Not only that you would emphasize the high sounding at this part, you would also bring the vocal mapping to the front.
00:24:778 - move to 00:24:928 (same as bevore)
00:27:628 - Maybe use a don to emphasize the kat-finisher more. - Though, looking at the up coming parts, this might fit better to them.
00:30:028 - don as well...? Yes, the vocalist says "wa", so kat would fit, but after all I belive that the kat-finisher emphasize in this way better when a don appears first.

[ Muzukashii]
Beginning~00:33:928 - You mapped to 1/2, but even though the patterns are not that hard, you should try to enshorter them a little. Though, I gave some suggestions down below, so this might be already enough.

00:01:228 (4,5,6,7,8) - kd k dk seems to fit better here, also it alternates nice with the other patterns.
00:06:028 (23,24,25,26,27) - ^
00:07:528 (29,30,31,32) - k d k d would fit now much better in terms of the songs tones if you changed what I suggested before. And if you did so...
00:08:278 (33,34,35) - k d k might fit here automatically better, also due to the songs tones. It would also have a decent alternate way.
00:09:328 (39) - Maybe don? Not a must, just feeled like having one here.
00:09:628 (40) - kat finisher for the vocal and delete 00:09:778 (41,43) - ? Also due to the vocal, but also to keep the Muzukashii a bit easy. Maybe you won't be able to have good 2/1 breaks, but having 2x 1/1 notes might be enough as well. Dispite of that, 00:10:228 the pattern k k d d k fits in my opinion better when it stands alone, since it emphasizes the vocal in this way.
00:14:278 - Delete this note to keep consistency with 00:11:878 ?
00:16:978 - kat for variation and simplification?
00:19:978 - deletig this note might be nice to have a rise of notes at the upcoming pattern (d k ddkdd kkddkdd). Would fit to the kkddk ddkkddk at 00:22:228, since this is also some kind of a rise.
00:24:328 - don finisher?
00:54:178 - kat might fit better to this vocal?
00:55:228 - d k D ? Also due to vocal but also for alternateing patterns.
01:06:628 - Either have a kat 1/3 stream or a don 1/3 stream. But having one alone standing kat is... well, I wouldn't do so, but it depends of you.
01:15:928 - reverse pattern of 01:14:728 maybe?
01:26:203 - You can delete this note since 01:26:278 is rather an "alone standing vocal" and not connected to the stretched "ne" or what it is.

[Inner Oni]
00:04:678 (22,23,24,25,26) - kd k d k(reverse it) would probably fit better since it fits to the songs tons better.
00:13:828 (79) - Changing to kat here might fit well.
00:14:578 (85,86) - k D ?
00:17:128 - kkkkd ? Would fungate as rise of notes for 00:16:378 but also fit to the vocal and alternate from 00:17:428 to the next kat well.
00:18:178 - don? Also due to alternate but also to emphasize kat-finishers.
00:33:778 - I'm sure it would be better to delete this note. Differ the parts more from each other.
00:36:328 - kkddkkddkkkkddddk should fit better to the vocal and be more simple. To be honest, I don't think the current one fits here well, especially since the vocals are clear defined.
{
00:43:678 - delete
00:44:878 - ^
00:46:078 - ^
} Might work well for emphasizing the vocals.
00:48:478 - Move to 00:48:778, so the previous stream ends more smooth + differ the parts from each other.
00:49:078 and 00:49:153 could be both changed to kat and moved to 00:49:003 so it fits to the vocals again.
01:06:328 - Hm not sure... consider deleting both dons.
01:17:128 ~ 01:24:328 - I'm the opinion you should have 1/1 gas here, at 01:19:378 and 01:21:778 and 01:24:178
01:26:128 - d kkddddk or something similar should be here. I don't know where this odd pattern comes from. This is just a killer at the end of the map if you ask me, without any significant reason for me.
01:17:128 - I like the SV usage here. how about having a kiai again?

My conclusion to this set:

Well, I modded it now more in detail and there are some things you have to explain me, kanpakyin: Is there any reason why you use so many notes in the Inner Oni? From the view of a player I would say: "wow, great map, have to train my stamina" or something like that, but from a view of a mapper I say that you overdone it with many patterns you have. Parts are not clearly defined; everything is mapped in one row and there is just hardly something emphasized in the whole song. Notes dissapear in their own mass/amount.

You have some SV changes, indeed, but that's all. Even though you mapped to the vocal, most patterns still contain notes which are not really needed and which make the pattern longer as it would be actually necessary. For example at 00:43:528 - The vocal and even the forground sound "stops" here, but you still continue mapping it without -for me- any clear reason. Same from 01:12:328 to the end, you map everything in one row, instead of having something like a rise of notes, which would emphasize every part a bit more and give the beatmap at the end the final imposing part.

Maybe that's how some mappers nowadays map I guess, so this is no reason for me to say it is unrankable or anything like that. Might be just me, but I miss some kind of "playing with the patterns"; some kind of... um... a try to give the player some feeling in game play...? Sorry, dunno how to express it at this point.
In short form: I miss emphasized parts.

That about the higher diffs. I don't say they are bad, no. Patterns are so far okay as always, but gaps and etc are missing(what I mentioned above). My advice to you, is to think about this next time.

Now, ... what still worries me really much is the spread in this set. As I thought (and mentioned in PM) before, the muzukashii has been made easier to have a better spread to Futsuu, but due to this, now Muzu - Oni spread suffers of it.

Patterns you used in both difficulties

(Oni) 00:19:528~00:27:028 - 8 seconds, full of 1/2 and 1/4 patterns without any break.
(Muzu) 00:19:528~00:27:028 - 8 seconds which contain mostly easy 1/2 kkddk patterns and 12x 1/1 gaps.
(Oni) Kiai - 1/4 duplets, triplets and five-plets which are even mapped together (00:43:528 ~ 00:48:328)
(Muzukashii) Kiai - 1/2 patterns with man gaps.
00:45:928 -



Muzukashii

Common pattern: 1/2 - o x, o o x x o, x o x, o o x, ...
Hardest pattern: 1/2 d k d d k k k d; 1/2 k d d d k k d; 1/4 ddd d d ddd d; 1/4 d k k kkkkk k k

Oni

Common pattern: 1/4 - oox with addition 5-plets, whole pattern paks with 1/2 + 1/4, ...
Hardest pattern: 1/4 kdddddddddkkddkkd; 00:43:528~00:48:328;

There are some parts which could work, but the kiai is the total Spread-killer with everything it has. We don't talk about little spread issues, this jump is immense. Everywhere 1/4, packed with long 1/2 patterns which are 4 times longer than muzukashii's patterns.
Solution

You could make muzukashii a bit easier by having some 2/1 gaps(this would make the spread to Futsuu a bit better as well) and add a new easier Oni which contains already more 1/2 patterns and some 1/4 tiplets and 5-plets(In this way you can mostly keep the current muzu as it is and save the spread to current Oni).

This migh help you. Comments from me how the Muzu - Oni spread acts. Words in "( )" are suggestions from me, how to make Muzu and Oni interact with the new diff in a better way.

00:00:328~00:09:928 - Oni and Muzu don't have much difference (Muzu needs to be made easier)
00:09:928~00:37:528 - Oni becomes harder than Muzu and the spread becomes big (Muzu needs to be made easier and new diff needed)
00:38:728~01:07:528 - Oni and muzukashii's spread are way too high (a new diff is needed)
01:07:528~01:28:678 - Oni and Muzu become a bit similar again, Oni is a bit harder though (muzu can be made easier + having new diff)

In generall I find this "spread topic" really important, especially after I talked to the higher BATs / Admins about it, who agreed that sets in generall should be well spreaded. Right now I don't think it is, but hey, to be not the bad guy here, I'm going to ask 4 more "Taiko" Bats about this case, so they can agree or disagree to this. If they say it's fine, okay. If not, you should add one more diff between Muzu and Oni - a new easier Oni.

This should really be enough as reason I think. Else I can add everything I saw in the map.
qoot8123
Sorry i'm late... :(
Here is Taiko mod request via In-game


Red : unrankable issue
Purple : strongly recommend
Black : just suggestion

[General]
  1. none~


[ Kantan]
  1. 00:05:128 (8) - try to add finish here? here is more powerful than other parts
  2. 00:22:528 (37) - this note is not really necessary here imo. so remove this?
  3. the drum sound on 00:36:328 (61) - ~ 00:38:728 (4) - is more than 00:33:928 (57) - ~ 00:36:328 (61) - so i suggest you remove 00:34:528 (58,60) - to make different rhythm
  4. 00:46:528 - try to add note here. here is empty


[ Futsuu]
  1. 00:15:178 (43) - move to 00:15:328 - to follow vocal and drum
  2. 00:24:778 (71) - ^
  3. try to remove 00:54:328 (149) - or 00:54:628 (150) - sounds better imo


[ Muzukashii]
  1. 00:04:678 (18) - add finish here? to make more exciting imo
  2. 00:10:078 (43) - try to remove this note as 00:12:328 (54,55) -
  3. 00:44:878 (211) - remove this note to make the same gap with 00:45:928 (217,218) -


[ Oni]
  1. 00:04:678 (18,19) - add finish as i mentioned on muzu
  2. 00:44:878 (268) - remove this note to make a little break


[ Inner Oni]
  1. 00:13:753 (78) - move to 00:13:603 - sounds better imo
  2. 00:37:453 (253,254) - i prefer to use dK here
  3. 00:57:253 (413) - move to 00:57:403 - and 00:57:703 - add note.this is just my opinion :D

That's all~
Good Luck~ :)
Topic Starter
kanpakyin

qoot8123 wrote:

Sorry i'm late... :(
Here is Taiko mod request via In-game


Red : unrankable issue
Purple : strongly recommend
Black : just suggestion

[General]
  1. none~


[ Kantan]
  1. 00:05:128 (8) - try to add finish here? here is more powerful than other parts //not going to do this as k D (in 1/2)[is too difficult for newbie. /color]
  2. 00:22:528 (37) - this note is not really necessary here imo. so remove this?
  3. the drum sound on 00:36:328 (61) - ~ 00:38:728 (4) - is more than 00:33:928 (57) - ~ 00:36:328 (61) - so i suggest you remove 00:34:528 (58,60) - to make different rhythm //simply I was following the vocal there
  4. 00:46:528 - try to add note here. here is empty not putting any note there can emphasize 00:47:128 -


[ Futsuu]
  1. 00:15:178 (43) - move to 00:15:328 - to follow vocal and drum //I was following the instrument.
  2. 00:24:778 (71) - ^ //^
  3. try to remove 00:54:328 (149) - or 00:54:628 (150) - sounds better imo


[ Muzukashii]
  1. 00:04:678 (18) - add finish here? to make more exciting imo
  2. 00:10:078 (43) - try to remove this note as 00:12:328 (54,55) -
  3. 00:44:878 (211) - remove this note to make the same gap with 00:45:928 (217,218) - //obviously there is a drum sound, so no change.


[ Oni]
  1. 00:04:678 (18,19) - add finish as i mentioned on muzu
  2. 00:44:878 (268) - remove this note to make a little break ///nope, there is a drum sound there.


[ Inner Oni]
  1. 00:13:753 (78) - move to 00:13:603 - sounds better imo
  2. 00:37:453 (253,254) - i prefer to use dK here
  3. 00:57:253 (413) - move to 00:57:403 - and 00:57:703 - add note.this is just my opinion :D//nope, I would like to emphasize the high pitch.
ono: will check your mod soon. I won't change the current spread untill everything is settled down (I will go ahead and ask other taiko bats) as I really satisfy current spread.
Topic Starter
kanpakyin

OnosakiHito wrote:

Recheck. - Mostly suggestions.

[Futsuu]
00:09:928 (28) - You mapped to the vocal, so maybe you would like to delete this note //I'm not only mapping to vocal, but also the putch of instrument and drum sound.
00:15:178 - I think moving this note to 00:15:328 would fit more to the vocal. //Exactly this is mapped to instrument.
00:17:128 - And this note could be changed to don finisher to keep your beat consistent (every 4/4 1x don).
00:19:828 - Maybe delete this one as well and change to finisher kat. Not only that you would emphasize the high sounding at this part, you would also bring the vocal mapping to the front. //I don;t see any reason to do this. I only put finisher on notes when there is any strong beat or down beat.
00:24:778 - move to 00:24:928 (same as bevore) //same
00:27:628 - Maybe use a don to emphasize the kat-finisher more. - Though, looking at the up coming parts, this might fit better to them.
00:30:028 - don as well...? Yes, the vocalist says "wa", so kat would fit, but after all I belive that the kat-finisher emphasize in this way better when a don appears first.

[ Muzukashii]
Beginning~00:33:928 - You mapped to 1/2, but even though the patterns are not that hard, you should try to enshorter them a little. Though, I gave some suggestions down below, so this might be already enough. //The length of 1/2 pattern are not more than 5. I can't shorten that anymore in order to keep the consistency of the pattern.

00:01:228 (4,5,6,7,8) - kd k dk seems to fit better here, also it alternates nice with the other patterns. //00:01:378 (5,6,7) - these three notes are on the same pitch, which is higher than 00:01:228 (4) - . That's why I put a kat there.
00:06:028 (23,24,25,26,27) - ^ //^
00:07:528 (29,30,31,32) - k d k d would fit now much better in terms of the songs tones if you changed what I suggested before. And if you did so...
00:08:278 (33,34,35) - k d k might fit here automatically better, also due to the songs tones. It would also have a decent alternate way.
00:09:328 (39) - Maybe don? Not a must, just feeled like having one here. //again, I'm following the pitch here.
00:09:628 (40) - kat finisher for the vocal and delete 00:09:778 (41,43) - ? Also due to the vocal, but also to keep the Muzukashii a bit easy. Maybe you won't be able to have good 2/1 breaks, but having 2x 1/1 notes might be enough as well. Dispite of that, 00:10:228 the pattern k k d d k fits in my opinion better when it stands alone, since it emphasizes the vocal in this way. //I don't want to place a finisher on the place which doesn't have strong beat.
00:14:278 - Delete this note to keep consistency with 00:11:878 ?
00:16:978 - kat for variation and simplification? //nope, as to follow the drum there.
00:19:978 - deletig this note might be nice to have a rise of notes at the upcoming pattern (d k ddkdd kkddkdd). Would fit to the kkddk ddkkddk at 00:22:228, since this is also some kind of a rise.
00:24:328 - don finisher?
00:54:178 - kat might fit better to this vocal?
00:55:228 - d k D ? Also due to vocal but also for alternateing patterns. //00:55:378 - The pitch here is higher than 00:55:228 - and 00:55:528 (269) - . So I put a kat here.
01:06:628 - Either have a kat 1/3 stream or a don 1/3 stream. But having one alone standing kat is... well, I wouldn't do so, but it depends of you.
//I insist that I won't change this as it is fair enough for muzu.
01:15:928 - reverse pattern of 01:14:728 maybe? //reverse pattern doesn't fit the music imo
01:26:203 - You can delete this note since 01:26:278 is rather an "alone standing vocal" and not connected to the stretched "ne" or what it is. //deleting that note sounds weird to me...

[Inner Oni]
00:04:678 (22,23,24,25,26) - kd k d k(reverse it) would probably fit better since it fits to the songs tons better. //nope, I don't think so, I currently placed the notes to follow the pitch.
00:13:828 (79) - Changing to kat here might fit well. //not really, if you hear more carefully, you could notice the instrument sound are more obvious at 00:13:978 -
00:14:578 (85,86) - k D ?
00:17:128 - kkkkd ? Would fungate as rise of notes for 00:16:378 but also fit to the vocal and alternate from 00:17:428 to the next kat well. //changed to ddddk instead in order to fit the pitch.
00:18:178 - don? Also due to alternate but also to emphasize kat-finishers. //still in high pitch part, so keep using kat here.
00:33:778 - I'm sure it would be better to delete this note. Differ the parts more from each other. //I don't want to remove this note as there is drum sound and I simply don;t want to miss out any part of components of music.
00:36:328 - kkddkkddkkkkddddk should fit better to the vocal and be more simple. To be honest, I don't think the current one fits here well, especially since the vocals are clear defined. //Probably you should hear to the music more and more carefully, the kat sound I placed in this stream are actually high pitch part and the don sound are relatively low pitch.
{
00:43:678 - delete
00:44:878 - ^ //There is a drum sound.
00:46:078 - ^ //^
} Might work well for emphasizing the vocals.
00:48:478 - Move to 00:48:778, so the previous stream ends more smooth + differ the parts from each other.
00:49:078 and 00:49:153 could be both changed to kat and moved to 00:49:003 so it fits to the vocals again. //Sorry but I can't see any reason that I have to change this to kat as the variation of pitch there is not conspicious.
01:06:328 - Hm not sure... consider deleting both dons. //nope, I wanted to follow the drum sound here.
01:17:128 ~ 01:24:328 - I'm the opinion you should have 1/1 gas here, at 01:19:378 and 01:21:778 and 01:24:178 //To be honest, I made the part like this on purpose in order to make a good coordination with the big notes and small notes.
01:26:128 - d kkddddk or something similar should be here. I don't know where this odd pattern comes from. This is just a killer at the end of the map if you ask me, without any significant reason for me. //changed to another pattern.
01:17:128 - I like the SV usage here. how about having a kiai again?

My conclusion to this set:

Well, I modded it now more in detail and there are some things you have to explain me, kanpakyin: Is there any reason why you use so many notes in the Inner Oni? From the view of a player I would say: "wow, great map, have to train my stamina" or something like that, but from a view of a mapper I say that you overdone it with many patterns you have. Parts are not clearly defined; everything is mapped in one row and there is just hardly something emphasized in the whole song. Notes dissapear in their own mass/amount.

//To be honest, why are we going to map a map? For what? Without a doubt, it is for player. While mapping, we should take player in our first consideration, and this is what I map for. Who will play the map eventually? It is player, so when players think that this is a good map, then it is. In this map, I think I have struck a great balance between playability and map itself. All notes feel the music and it flows well (I found quite a lot testplayers.) I actually didn't see the problem you mentioned.

You have some SV changes, indeed, but that's all. Even though you mapped to the vocal, most patterns still contain notes which are not really needed and which make the pattern longer as it would be actually necessary. For example at 00:43:528 - The vocal and even the forground sound "stops" here, but you still continue mapping it without -for me- any clear reason. Same from 01:12:328 to the end, you map everything in one row, instead of having something like a rise of notes, which would emphasize every part a bit more and give the beatmap at the end the final imposing part.

//This was done intentionally as I said it before. I would like to make a progressive increasing SV from muzu to inner oni. Besides this, you said that I mapped to vocal, this was only partially correct. I mapped to vocal as well as drum. You could hear this easily, that's why the parts you mentioned might have a note there.

Maybe that's how some mappers nowadays map I guess, so this is no reason for me to say it is unrankable or anything like that. Might be just me, but I miss some kind of "playing with the patterns"; some kind of... um... a try to give the player some feeling in game play...? Sorry, dunno how to express it at this point.
In short form: I miss emphasized parts.

That about the higher diffs. I don't say they are bad, no. Patterns are so far okay as always, but gaps and etc are missing(what I mentioned above). My advice to you, is to think about this next time.
//Gap thing has been solved in disscussion, I guess.

Now, ... what still worries me really much is the spread in this set. As I thought (and mentioned in PM) before, the muzukashii has been made easier to have a better spread to Futsuu, but due to this, now Muzu - Oni spread suffers of it.

Patterns you used in both difficulties

(Oni) 00:19:528~00:27:028 - 8 seconds, full of 1/2 and 1/4 patterns without any break.
(Muzu) 00:19:528~00:27:028 - 8 seconds which contain mostly easy 1/2 kkddk patterns and 12x 1/1 gaps.
(Oni) Kiai - 1/4 duplets, triplets and five-plets which are even mapped together (00:43:528 ~ 00:48:328)
(Muzukashii) Kiai - 1/2 patterns with man gaps.
00:45:928 -



Muzukashii

Common pattern: 1/2 - o x, o o x x o, x o x, o o x, ...
Hardest pattern: 1/2 d k d d k k k d; 1/2 k d d d k k d; 1/4 ddd d d ddd d; 1/4 d k k kkkkk k k

Oni

Common pattern: 1/4 - oox with addition 5-plets, whole pattern paks with 1/2 + 1/4, ...
Hardest pattern: 1/4 kdddddddddkkddkkd; 00:43:528~00:48:328;

There are some parts which could work, but the kiai is the total Spread-killer with everything it has. We don't talk about little spread issues, this jump is immense. Everywhere 1/4, packed with long 1/2 patterns which are 4 times longer than muzukashii's patterns.
Solution

You could make muzukashii a bit easier by having some 2/1 gaps(this would make the spread to Futsuu a bit better as well) and add a new easier Oni which contains already more 1/2 patterns and some 1/4 tiplets and 5-plets(In this way you can mostly keep the current muzu as it is and save the spread to current Oni).

This migh help you. Comments from me how the Muzu - Oni spread acts. Words in "( )" are suggestions from me, how to make Muzu and Oni interact with the new diff in a better way.

00:00:328~00:09:928 - Oni and Muzu don't have much difference (Muzu needs to be made easier)
00:09:928~00:37:528 - Oni becomes harder than Muzu and the spread becomes big (Muzu needs to be made easier and new diff needed)
00:38:728~01:07:528 - Oni and muzukashii's spread are way too high (a new diff is needed)
01:07:528~01:28:678 - Oni and Muzu become a bit similar again, Oni is a bit harder though (muzu can be made easier + having new diff)

In generall I find this "spread topic" really important, especially after I talked to the higher BATs / Admins about it, who agreed that sets in generall should be well spreaded. Right now I don't think it is, but hey, to be not the bad guy here, I'm going to ask 4 more "Taiko" Bats about this case, so they can agree or disagree to this. If they say it's fine, okay. If not, you should add one more diff between Muzu and Oni - a new easier Oni.

This should really be enough as reason I think. Else I can add everything I saw in the map. //All about difficulty spread has been discussed.
Will check others later.
Fycho
Tags should be"俺の脳内選択肢が、学園ラブコメを全力で邪魔している"

把青春换成学园,我后来改过online tags
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