kantokun wrote:

GD please \O/

Ore no Nounai Sentakushi ga, Gakuen Lovecome o Zenryoku de Jama Shiteiru

mingmichael wrote:

taiko mods come as request~

Red ~> unrakable issue, must be changed
Blue ~> highly suggested, consider to use it
Black ~> suggestion, just free to choose it


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[ Kantan]

General

☞ HP and OD change too be 3? well, 2 is too low and i don't know too if Taiko mapset/diff is allowed use 2 for OD and HP [/color]

Notes Structure

☞ no problem here

Notes

• remove this finisher at 00:09:328 - and put the finisher at 00:09:928 - . there's not any finsiher sound that apppear at 00:09:328 - , so that's why i removed it. but, the finsiher sound comes at 00:09:928 - . the song gives finisher sound too there. much better to follow it //if you listen to the music carefully, you will notice there is a strong beat at 00:09:328 - . That's why I put a finish there.

• 00:52:528 - don here? it'll follow the low pitch sound at there (vocal pitch sound), same like 00:42:928 - which is don (and the low vocal appears at there too) //k

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[Futsuu]

General

☞ HP or OD (or both of them) can be changed to be 4. is 3 not too low for this song? //same as kantan

Notes Structure

☞ consider with many 1/2 beat snap divisor notes that you used, like at 00:09:328 - until 00:12:328 - . it's quite long for the futsuu diff, and it's quite hard too for the futsuu player. well, just see some suggestions at the Notes box [/color]

Notes

• kat at 00:05:728 - and don at 00:07:228 - . i changed them to make consistent notes too like the first part, at 00:00:328 - until 00:02:728 - . they have a same part and also same pitch sounds too. so, consider with the notes that you used. 00:06:178 - has a same pitch sound too like 00:00:928 - and 00:07:228 - has a same pitch sound too like 00:02:428 - //I was doing more variation there.

• how about delete 00:10:228 - ? well, i think it's quite hard for the Futsuu player. because it has a long 1/2beat snap divisor notes from 00:09:328 - until 00:12:328 -. and then, it's still has a note after finisher too at 00:09:928 - . i know, you followed the vocal sounds, and it's nice~ but, be more consider again with this. at least, give a little break at there. well, here's just a suggestion btw //I feel it was a bit inconsistent to vocal as I placed the note to fit with it.

• delete 00:19:828 - , the reason is same like above ^ too //^

• kat at 00:42:328 - , to keep the vocal sound (high vocal sound). it has a same (almost same) pitch sound like 00:42:028 - which is high, and you used kat at there too //don to fit the drum there.

• kat too at 00:51:928 -, the reason same like above ^ //^

• you can add finisher at 01:02:728 - . it will follow the finisher sound from the song, and follow the finisher part too like 01:05:128 - //nope, there is no strong beat, I couldn't find any reason to add a finish there.

• move 01:09:178 - to 01:09:028 - . it's much better to follow the vocal sound. the vocal sound appears at 01:09:028 - too, not at 01:09:178 - that you put it before [/color]

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[Muzukashii]

General

☞ HP can be changed to be 5 i think.. //Same as kantan

Notes Structure

☞ consider with twelve 1/3 beat snap divisor notes from 01:06:528 - until 01:07:528 - . suggestion can be found at the Notes box
☞ some inconsistent patterns with finisher

Notes

• kat too at 00:32:053 - . well, i think for the triplet at the Muzukashii diff, it's easier with ooo or ooo, so that's why i changed that to be kat to make it ooo triplet. same like 00:29:578 (149,150,151) - that you used //sorry have to disagree with you as kdd is very easy and normally use in muzu diff. Also, kdd can fit the hitsound which is what i want.

• kat at 00:48:028 - . i changed it because it will follow the vocal sound as well. the vocal sound becomes high at there, you can hear it carefully. and it's much better with kat than don. [/color]

• from 01:06:528 - until 01:07:528 - , i have a suggestion here. try to change it first then see my explainations. kats at 01:06:628 - and 01:06:778 - will follow the vocal sounds. i saw you followed the vocal sounds too at the previous notes too. and then ooo triplet at there is too follow the drum hits there, and the last kat 01:07:228 - is to follow the vocal again there //did some adjustment.

• remove the finisher at 01:18:778 - , because i saw you didn't put it too at 01:21:178 - and 01:23:578 - . and i guess that you followed the vocal sounds at there (?) . well, just be consistent with the finisher that you put //changed 01:23:578

• remove kat at 01:26:203 - . just make ooo triplet there. ooooo is quite hard for the Muzukashii player, and you put finisher too after that. consider again with this [/color]

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[Oni]

General

☞ nothing~

Notes Structure

☞ some Finisher suggestions that should be added. well, just see at the Notes box

Notes

• add finisher at 00:31:528 - , to keep the finisher patterns there. and then, the finisher sound appears too at there, same like 00:29:128 - that you put finisher too at there

• big don at 00:37:728 - . to make a balance increasing pitch sounds too as well. look, it'll be O O O O from 00:37:528 - until 00:38:128 - . well, i think it's much better than O O O O that you put before //There is no strong beat, so I don't want to put a finisher there.

• kat at 00:38:428 - , the vocal sound is high at here (even though small sound) //mainly base on drum sound.

• kat at 00:55:453 - . at this part, ooo triplet gives much stronger pitch sound than ooo //I think kdd fits the music better.

• finisher again at 00:57:928 - . the finisher sound still appears at here, and to keep the finisher pattern too that you put at the previous notes

• finishers again at 01:15:328 - and 01:16:528 -. to keep the strong vocal pitch sound like 01:14:728 - ; 01:15:928 -

• finisher again at 01:26:728 - . same like another diff. to end the song, gives a finsiher //didn't place a finish there as it didn't fit the music quite well.

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[Inner Oni]

General

☞ nothing

Notes Structure

☞ consider with finishers that you used at the last part from 01:17:128 - until end. i ever mapped with this patterns too, but TaikoBAT told me to change it. well, it's up you. just consider again at this part [/color]

Notes

• kat at 00:13:828 - . to keep the kat like 00:13:228 -, because the pattern will be o o o o o o o o from 00:12:328 - until 00:14:278 - //I did this intentionally as I map to drum sound

• you can add finsiher at the middle part at 00:17:128 - , to follow the finisher sound at here. i think it's not hard for the Inner Oni diff with this suggestion

• same like above. you can add finisher at 00:19:528 - to follow the finisher sound too at there //couldn't find a reason for finisher.

• kat at 00:31:003 - . so, it'll be ooo triplet there. the triplet which is given much stronger there (to follow the vocal sounds too as well) than ooo that you put before

• remove finisher at 00:37:528 - ??! are you sure to use finisher at the last note at stream? i know it is allowed, but the previous notes are ooo. it's quite hard to press the finisher after that. well, i have a suggestion, to delete 00:37:453 - to keep the finisher at 00:37:528 - //It is quite easy to press also it is suitable for inner.

• big kat at 00:37:928 - , so the finishers will be O O O O. balance increasing pitch sounds there. same like Oni mod~ //k

• same like Oni diff. kat at 00:38:428 - . it's to follow the high vocal sound eventhough the voice is low //Same as oni

• finisher too at 01:09:928 - , same as 01:07:528 - that you put

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okay that's all
goodluck

kuroru wrote:

Hi
came from chat.

Sorry...I can't mod easy diff and normal diff ><


[Muzukashi]

00:44:728 (235) - delete //nope as i want to fit the drum sound there.
00:44:878 - d
00:45:253 - d
00:45:553 (240) - delete
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01:06:528 (358) - d →　01:06:478 (358) - please move in this place.
This note is mistake because it does not match the song.

or

01:06:528 (358) - delete
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[Oni]

00:44:578 (264) - d
00:44:728 (265) - delete //same as muzu
00:44:878 - add d
00:52:978 (329) - k


[Inner Oni]

00:13:753 - add d
00:31:378 (203) - delete //I added kat there to follow the vocal.
00:44:578 (303) - k
00:44:653 (304) - delete //same as muzu
00:44:728 (305) - d
00:59:578 (429) - d //to fit the pitch there.
01:00:178 (434) - d //^



I expecting this map :3
Ganbatte~

Loneight wrote:

Hi~
Request from In-game.

• 
  Black is just suggestion, if you don't like , you can skip it
  Blue is recommended to fix
  red is unrankable issue
  

[Kantan]

1. 00:36:328 (1,1) - d is a little close to the spinner, it's a little hard for Kantan //nope as taiko spinner is not the same as standard spinner.
2. 00:55:978 (25,26) - the rhythm is a little weird, try to change (26) to 00:56:428 -
3. 01:24:028 - empty there make me feel weird, how about add a d?

nice!

[Futsuu]

1. 00:02:728 (8,9) - how about change (8) to k? to make a symmetry with 00:00:328 (1,2) - IMO or change (9) to k to make rhythm be same as 00:00:328 (1,2) -
2. 00:19:078 - try to add a note for there would be more suitable, I find you have used 1/2 before this note, why don't use 1/2 for there? //it may become too hard for futsuu
3. 00:47:428 (132) - how about change to D to emphasize the vocal?

so great ;w;

[Muzukashii]

1. I think the diff a little hard for Muzukashii, because of BPM, too many 3 plet would make diff harder, try to reduce some 3 plet?
   //Still in a acceptable range
   
2. 00:03:028 (11) - change to d to make a symmetry with 00:00:328 (1,2,3) -
3. 00:27:928 (143,145) - change to D to express the vocal variation, all are K feel a little dull IMO... //no because i want to emphasize the high pitch.

I have tried~ the diff is too great ;w;

[Oni]

1. 00:17:803 - or 00:17:953 -choose one to add d for there, because the part a little empty for oni. Also, 00:25:753 - is same as here //sorry but I can't find a reason to place a triplet there.
2. 00:28:228 (173) - change to D would be better for rhythm, //same as muzu
3. 00:33:928 (199,201,203,205) - how about change to D to emphasize the sound? //i personally don't want to do this in oni
4. 00:37:078 (215,216,217,218,219) - change to ddkkd to make 00:36:328 (207,211,213,217) - more suitable for the vocal //I followed the drum here.
5. 00:40:978 (240) - try to move to 00:40:678 - to follow vocal would be better //^
6. 01:00:553 (375) - move to 01:00:853 - would be better for song, because I can't hear 01:00:553 (375,376) - why have 2 plot
7. 01:26:728 (520) - change to D to emphasize the ending? //big don is too strong there while it doesn't have any strong beat.
8. 01:25:978 (512,513,514,515,516,517,518) - there sound weird, how about remove 01:26:053 (513) - , 01:26:053 (513) - move to 01:25:753 - and 01:26:428 (518) - change to k? //nope, I just simply follow the drum.

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[Inner Oni]

1. 00:04:828 (23) - change to K to emphasize the vocal
2. 00:07:078 - and 00:07:378 - try to add k to follow the drum?, I think there is a little empty for the diff
3. 00:27:928 (183,185) - same as Muzukashii ~ //same as muzu
4. 01:06:628 (483,484,485,486,487,488,489,490,491) - the speed change make there hard to read, how about this like the picture?
   picture

   
5. 01:26:653 (611,612) - this is too easily break the combo when the bpm is 200 and speed change is 1.50x, try to remove (611) and change 01:26:503 (609,610,611) - to d //I did this intentionally.

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that's all!
good luck!
star~ gogogo~

Sorry i'm late...
Here is Taiko mod request via In-game

1. none~

qoot8123 wrote:

Sorry i'm late...
Here is Taiko mod request via In-game

Red : unrankable issue
Purple : strongly recommend
Black : just suggestion

[General]

1. none~

[ Kantan]

SPOILER

1. 00:05:128 (8) - try to add finish here? here is more powerful than other parts //not going to do this as k D (in 1/2)[is too difficult for newbie. /color]
2. 00:22:528 (37) - this note is not really necessary here imo. so remove this?
3. the drum sound on 00:36:328 (61) - ~ 00:38:728 (4) - is more than 00:33:928 (57) - ~ 00:36:328 (61) - so i suggest you remove 00:34:528 (58,60) - to make different rhythm //simply I was following the vocal there
4. 00:46:528 - try to add note here. here is empty not putting any note there can emphasize 00:47:128 -

[ Futsuu]

SPOILER

1. 00:15:178 (43) - move to 00:15:328 - to follow vocal and drum //I was following the instrument.
2. 00:24:778 (71) - ^ //^
3. try to remove 00:54:328 (149) - or 00:54:628 (150) - sounds better imo

[ Muzukashii]

SPOILER

1. 00:04:678 (18) - add finish here? to make more exciting imo
2. 00:10:078 (43) - try to remove this note as 00:12:328 (54,55) -
3. 00:44:878 (211) - remove this note to make the same gap with 00:45:928 (217,218) - //obviously there is a drum sound, so no change.

[ Oni]

SPOILER

1. 00:04:678 (18,19) - add finish as i mentioned on muzu
2. 00:44:878 (268) - remove this note to make a little break ///nope, there is a drum sound there.

[ Inner Oni]

SPOILER

1. 00:13:753 (78) - move to 00:13:603 - sounds better imo
2. 00:37:453 (253,254) - i prefer to use dK here
3. 00:57:253 (413) - move to 00:57:403 - and 00:57:703 - add note.this is just my opinion //nope, I would like to emphasize the high pitch.

OnosakiHito wrote:

Recheck. - Mostly suggestions.

[Futsuu]

SPOILER

00:09:928 (28) - You mapped to the vocal, so maybe you would like to delete this note //I'm not only mapping to vocal, but also the putch of instrument and drum sound.
00:15:178 - I think moving this note to 00:15:328 would fit more to the vocal. //Exactly this is mapped to instrument.
00:17:128 - And this note could be changed to don finisher to keep your beat consistent (every 4/4 1x don).
00:19:828 - Maybe delete this one as well and change to finisher kat. Not only that you would emphasize the high sounding at this part, you would also bring the vocal mapping to the front. //I don;t see any reason to do this. I only put finisher on notes when there is any strong beat or down beat.
00:24:778 - move to 00:24:928 (same as bevore) //same
00:27:628 - Maybe use a don to emphasize the kat-finisher more. - Though, looking at the up coming parts, this might fit better to them.
00:30:028 - don as well...? Yes, the vocalist says "wa", so kat would fit, but after all I belive that the kat-finisher emphasize in this way better when a don appears first.

[ Muzukashii]

SPOILER

Beginning~00:33:928 - You mapped to 1/2, but even though the patterns are not that hard, you should try to enshorter them a little. Though, I gave some suggestions down below, so this might be already enough. //The length of 1/2 pattern are not more than 5. I can't shorten that anymore in order to keep the consistency of the pattern.

00:01:228 (4,5,6,7,8) - kd k dk seems to fit better here, also it alternates nice with the other patterns. //00:01:378 (5,6,7) - these three notes are on the same pitch, which is higher than 00:01:228 (4) - . That's why I put a kat there.
00:06:028 (23,24,25,26,27) - ^ //^
00:07:528 (29,30,31,32) - k d k d would fit now much better in terms of the songs tones if you changed what I suggested before. And if you did so...
00:08:278 (33,34,35) - k d k might fit here automatically better, also due to the songs tones. It would also have a decent alternate way.
00:09:328 (39) - Maybe don? Not a must, just feeled like having one here. //again, I'm following the pitch here.
00:09:628 (40) - kat finisher for the vocal and delete 00:09:778 (41,43) - ? Also due to the vocal, but also to keep the Muzukashii a bit easy. Maybe you won't be able to have good 2/1 breaks, but having 2x 1/1 notes might be enough as well. Dispite of that, 00:10:228 the pattern k k d d k fits in my opinion better when it stands alone, since it emphasizes the vocal in this way. //I don't want to place a finisher on the place which doesn't have strong beat.
00:14:278 - Delete this note to keep consistency with 00:11:878 ?
00:16:978 - kat for variation and simplification? //nope, as to follow the drum there.
00:19:978 - deletig this note might be nice to have a rise of notes at the upcoming pattern (d k ddkdd kkddkdd). Would fit to the kkddk ddkkddk at 00:22:228, since this is also some kind of a rise.
00:24:328 - don finisher?
00:54:178 - kat might fit better to this vocal?
00:55:228 - d k D ? Also due to vocal but also for alternateing patterns. //00:55:378 - The pitch here is higher than 00:55:228 - and 00:55:528 (269) - . So I put a kat here.
01:06:628 - Either have a kat 1/3 stream or a don 1/3 stream. But having one alone standing kat is... well, I wouldn't do so, but it depends of you.
//I insist that I won't change this as it is fair enough for muzu.
01:15:928 - reverse pattern of 01:14:728 maybe? //reverse pattern doesn't fit the music imo
01:26:203 - You can delete this note since 01:26:278 is rather an "alone standing vocal" and not connected to the stretched "ne" or what it is. //deleting that note sounds weird to me...

[Inner Oni]

SPOILER

00:04:678 (22,23,24,25,26) - kd k d k(reverse it) would probably fit better since it fits to the songs tons better. //nope, I don't think so, I currently placed the notes to follow the pitch.
00:13:828 (79) - Changing to kat here might fit well. //not really, if you hear more carefully, you could notice the instrument sound are more obvious at 00:13:978 -
00:14:578 (85,86) - k D ?
00:17:128 - kkkkd ? Would fungate as rise of notes for 00:16:378 but also fit to the vocal and alternate from 00:17:428 to the next kat well. //changed to ddddk instead in order to fit the pitch.
00:18:178 - don? Also due to alternate but also to emphasize kat-finishers. //still in high pitch part, so keep using kat here.
00:33:778 - I'm sure it would be better to delete this note. Differ the parts more from each other. //I don't want to remove this note as there is drum sound and I simply don;t want to miss out any part of components of music.
00:36:328 - kkddkkddkkkkddddk should fit better to the vocal and be more simple. To be honest, I don't think the current one fits here well, especially since the vocals are clear defined. //Probably you should hear to the music more and more carefully, the kat sound I placed in this stream are actually high pitch part and the don sound are relatively low pitch.
{
00:43:678 - delete
00:44:878 - ^ //There is a drum sound.
00:46:078 - ^ //^
} Might work well for emphasizing the vocals.
00:48:478 - Move to 00:48:778, so the previous stream ends more smooth + differ the parts from each other.
00:49:078 and 00:49:153 could be both changed to kat and moved to 00:49:003 so it fits to the vocals again. //Sorry but I can't see any reason that I have to change this to kat as the variation of pitch there is not conspicious.
01:06:328 - Hm not sure... consider deleting both dons. //nope, I wanted to follow the drum sound here.
01:17:128 ~ 01:24:328 - I'm the opinion you should have 1/1 gas here, at 01:19:378 and 01:21:778 and 01:24:178 //To be honest, I made the part like this on purpose in order to make a good coordination with the big notes and small notes.
01:26:128 - d kkddddk or something similar should be here. I don't know where this odd pattern comes from. This is just a killer at the end of the map if you ask me, without any significant reason for me. //changed to another pattern.
01:17:128 - I like the SV usage here. how about having a kiai again?

My conclusion to this set:

SPOILER

Well, I modded it now more in detail and there are some things you have to explain me, kanpakyin: Is there any reason why you use so many notes in the Inner Oni? From the view of a player I would say: "wow, great map, have to train my stamina" or something like that, but from a view of a mapper I say that you overdone it with many patterns you have. Parts are not clearly defined; everything is mapped in one row and there is just hardly something emphasized in the whole song. Notes dissapear in their own mass/amount.

//To be honest, why are we going to map a map? For what? Without a doubt, it is for player. While mapping, we should take player in our first consideration, and this is what I map for. Who will play the map eventually? It is player, so when players think that this is a good map, then it is. In this map, I think I have struck a great balance between playability and map itself. All notes feel the music and it flows well (I found quite a lot testplayers.) I actually didn't see the problem you mentioned.

You have some SV changes, indeed, but that's all. Even though you mapped to the vocal, most patterns still contain notes which are not really needed and which make the pattern longer as it would be actually necessary. For example at 00:43:528 - The vocal and even the forground sound "stops" here, but you still continue mapping it without -for me- any clear reason. Same from 01:12:328 to the end, you map everything in one row, instead of having something like a rise of notes, which would emphasize every part a bit more and give the beatmap at the end the final imposing part.

//This was done intentionally as I said it before. I would like to make a progressive increasing SV from muzu to inner oni. Besides this, you said that I mapped to vocal, this was only partially correct. I mapped to vocal as well as drum. You could hear this easily, that's why the parts you mentioned might have a note there.

Maybe that's how some mappers nowadays map I guess, so this is no reason for me to say it is unrankable or anything like that. Might be just me, but I miss some kind of "playing with the patterns"; some kind of... um... a try to give the player some feeling in game play...? Sorry, dunno how to express it at this point.
In short form: I miss emphasized parts.

That about the higher diffs. I don't say they are bad, no. Patterns are so far okay as always, but gaps and etc are missing(what I mentioned above). My advice to you, is to think about this next time.
//Gap thing has been solved in disscussion, I guess.

Now, ... what still worries me really much is the spread in this set. As I thought (and mentioned in PM) before, the muzukashii has been made easier to have a better spread to Futsuu, but due to this, now Muzu - Oni spread suffers of it.

Patterns you used in both difficulties

(Oni) 00:19:528~00:27:028 - 8 seconds, full of 1/2 and 1/4 patterns without any break.
(Muzu) 00:19:528~00:27:028 - 8 seconds which contain mostly easy 1/2 kkddk patterns and 12x 1/1 gaps.
(Oni) Kiai - 1/4 duplets, triplets and five-plets which are even mapped together (00:43:528 ~ 00:48:328)
(Muzukashii) Kiai - 1/2 patterns with man gaps.
00:45:928 -



Muzukashii

Common pattern: 1/2 - o x, o o x x o, x o x, o o x, ...
Hardest pattern: 1/2 d k d d k k k d; 1/2 k d d d k k d; 1/4 ddd d d ddd d; 1/4 d k k kkkkk k k

Oni

Common pattern: 1/4 - oox with addition 5-plets, whole pattern paks with 1/2 + 1/4, ...
Hardest pattern: 1/4 kdddddddddkkddkkd; 00:43:528~00:48:328;

There are some parts which could work, but the kiai is the total Spread-killer with everything it has. We don't talk about little spread issues, this jump is immense. Everywhere 1/4, packed with long 1/2 patterns which are 4 times longer than muzukashii's patterns.

Solution

You could make muzukashii a bit easier by having some 2/1 gaps(this would make the spread to Futsuu a bit better as well) and add a new easier Oni which contains already more 1/2 patterns and some 1/4 tiplets and 5-plets(In this way you can mostly keep the current muzu as it is and save the spread to current Oni).

This migh help you. Comments from me how the Muzu - Oni spread acts. Words in "( )" are suggestions from me, how to make Muzu and Oni interact with the new diff in a better way.

00:00:328~00:09:928 - Oni and Muzu don't have much difference (Muzu needs to be made easier)
00:09:928~00:37:528 - Oni becomes harder than Muzu and the spread becomes big (Muzu needs to be made easier and new diff needed)
00:38:728~01:07:528 - Oni and muzukashii's spread are way too high (a new diff is needed)
01:07:528~01:28:678 - Oni and Muzu become a bit similar again, Oni is a bit harder though (muzu can be made easier + having new diff)

In generall I find this "spread topic" really important, especially after I talked to the higher BATs / Admins about it, who agreed that sets in generall should be well spreaded. Right now I don't think it is, but hey, to be not the bad guy here, I'm going to ask 4 more "Taiko" Bats about this case, so they can agree or disagree to this. If they say it's fine, okay. If not, you should add one more diff between Muzu and Oni - a new easier Oni.

This should really be enough as reason I think. Else I can add everything I saw in the map. //All about difficulty spread has been discussed.