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nano feat. MY FIRST STORY - SAVIOR OF SONG (TV Size)

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HakuNoKaemi
3,828 posts
Joined October 2009
HakuNoKaemi
http://puu.sh/5acMx.osu

Hitsounded it ~

I actually did want to map it anyway and I used the situation as an excuse, so I beg your pardon.
Ah, my internet key doesn't work that well, so I was able to upload it only now >.<
Suimya
6,374 posts
Joined February 2011
Suimya
Let's see what i can find on Haku's diff, I've been asked to mod it!


Haku no Arpeggio:
  1. 00:02:811 (4,1) - switch the whistle since, it's better to follow the vocal here not the music, and the music is way too soft to hear it
  2. 00:06:874 (1) - you made a small overlap here, so how about moving this slider like this to avoid the overlapping?
    SPOILER
  3. 00:08:124 (1) - move 2nd and 4th slider points 1 grid down it'll make better shape then the one atm imo
  4. 00:20:000 (1) - switch the whistle with finish, sounds much better if you ask me
  5. 00:27:969 (4) - i don't think the slider's end needs a finish sound, since it's way too loud for this part, and i suggest you to remove it
  6. 00:41:876 (4) - a nc here would be good, and it'll follow the vocal so well~
Wow nice diff o.o/ that's all I could find <3

Good luck with the Rerank Yuko :3
HakuNoKaemi
3,828 posts
Joined October 2009
HakuNoKaemi

Sekai-nyan wrote:

Let's see what i can find on Haku's diff, I've been asked to mod it!


Haku no Arpeggio:
  1. 00:06:874 (1) - you made a small overlap here, so how about moving this slider like this to avoid the overlapping?
    SPOILER
    The overlap is seeable only from the editor, it doesn't affect it while playing. (2) is more curved and a little rotated in front of (1) too, so I do like the pattern as it was too ^^
  2. 00:27:969 (4) - i don't think the slider's end needs a finish sound, since it's way too loud for this part, and i suggest you to remove it
    Dampened it to 20%
Wow nice diff o.o/ that's all I could find <3

Good luck with the Rerank Yuko :3
http://puu.sh/5ahQn.osu

Answered what I didn't change/did differently
Skystar
1,628 posts
Joined May 2011
Topic Starter
Skystar
hi hi guys I'm sorry.

the reason why I didn't immediately deal with this map was I got some fucking trouble in my real life. I couldn't even use my PC yesterday.

will figure out all the stuff of this once I have solved my trouble in real life. sorry for being delaying.
Ceris
7 posts
Joined July 2013
Ceris
Just a quick thing. Since the anime is called "Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio: Ars Nova", add "Ars Nova" to the tags. Or even better, change the source name to romaji.
HakuNoKaemi
3,828 posts
Joined October 2009
HakuNoKaemi
http://puu.sh/5axOu.rar
Tekklorn
233 posts
Joined November 2012
Tekklorn
Bit disappointed about the unrank, I personally thought it was fine. Best of luck to the rerank then I guess.
Konei
2,959 posts
Joined March 2012
Konei
Small suggestion for Yuko on Insane.

00:48:752 (1) - How about using 3/4 rhythm here aswell as you did on the second KIAI? Would be more consistent which is somehow better here in my opinion.
-kevincela-
Elite Mapper
2,790 posts
Joined February 2010
-kevincela-

IceBeam wrote:

wow guys I'm a bit dissapointed

I completely disagree that the mapset is unbalanced..every difficulty mapped just like it should be for 4-diffs mapset. there's a possible small gap between normal and hard, but I'd rather said Normal could be a bit harder, but Kodora's Hard...it's literally can't even be easier, seriously. It's mapped using the lowest possible distance spacing and ar for comfortable play, otherwise it would be just a mess. come on guys, it's a 192 bpm song we're speaking about.

but I also liked Normal, it probably could use more 1/2 complicated rhythm patterns but that's not essential.

I would perhaps disupute about semi-hidden objects in Hard, but that's, you know, a certain BATs' choice whether to accept them or not and it should be done before ranking. the map got ranked, so you shouldn't have bothered it now,imo

anyways I hope you guys work this out asap cause this map is really decent one,gl
That sums it up for me. I have seen the Hard diff, and I didn't find the gap between the two diffs SO BIG, I have seen really worse cases. Kodora's Hard imho is just an Hard, no more and no less. The only reason that could make it a bit more difficult than the rest of the Hards is probably the quite high BPM and some overlaps, but I personally don't think that an unrank was needed there. The only thing that I didn't find really readable and more suitable for an insane is 00:17:343 (1) - , which I would have just stacked on 00:17:500 (2) - and that's it. Oh well, I guess it's too late to argue now... Good luck with reranking your map! If I have time I'll also try to mod the map and try to get this back.
Nemis
847 posts
Joined May 2012
Nemis
What. The spread was perfect as it was! Anyway, let's give some suggestions for Haku's difficulty then (hoping that yuko is going to add it since I don't think those is going to give the heart back without another diff between the hard and the normal).

[Haku no Arpeggio]
  1. 00:09:999 (6) - Mi sembra sbagliato escludere la musica di sottofondo che parte nel bel mezzo di questo slider anche se non fa parte dei vocals, consiglierei quindi di aggiungeci una nota. Trovo perfetta la combinazione 1 note sul red tick + 1/2 slider che parte su quello bianco.
  2. 00:10:624 (7,1,2,3) - Questo pattern è davvero poco intuitivo e difficile da leggere in quanto ci sono diverse note che cadono sui red ticks. Ti consiglierei di cambiare il pattern (non necessariamente il ritmo) rendendolo più leggibile, magari sostituendo 00:11:249 (2,3) - questi due elementi con dua sliders 1/1 che partono sui red ticks.
  3. 00:15:156 (5) - Suona malissimo questo clap quì! Spostalo sulla testa di 00:15:468 (6) - questo slider, così sì che va bene. Ti consiglierei inoltre di aggiungerne un secondo sulla testa di 00:14:843 (4) - quest'altro slider.
  4. 00:23:281 (2,3,4) - Quì trovo il blanket fatto un poco male, sono più che sicuro che tu possa migliorarlo almeno un poco!
  5. 00:31:719 (1,2,1) - Ti consiglio vivamente di stackare questi elementi manualmente o di cambiare la struttura del pattern, in questo momento se giochi la map ti accorgerai che c'è qualcosa che non va in questo stack:
    SPOILER
  6. 00:39:064 (2,3,4) - Come riportato sotto, nello screenshot, mentre si gioca questo pattern si sfasa il blanket. Prova quindi a stackare manualmente questi due elementi (è sufficiente spostare 00:39:533 (4) - questo elemento a x:444 y:100).
    SPOILER
  7. 00:46:252 (3) - New combo quì per enfatizzare l'inizio del chorus/KIAI anche se la combo precedente sarà composta solamente da due note.
  8. 00:47:970 (6) - Anche quì trovo questo clap orrendo... non l'avrai mica fatto di proposito D:? Secondo me suona decisamente meglio sulla sua testa, non sulla sua fine, mantieni questa consistenza con i clap e vedrai che gli hitsounds spaccheranno di più.
  9. 00:56:252 (4) - Aggiungi una new combo quì e rimuovi quella successiva (00:56:721 (1) - ). Trovo molto meglio falla partire con l'inizio del nuovo KIAI anzichè con il partire dei vocals.
  10. 01:24:067 (1,2,3) - Stessa cosa di 00:31:719 (1,2,1) - , guarda cosa succede:
    SPOILER
Spero di esser stato un minimo utile ^-^

EDIT: Also, I'd highly suggest to change the colors a bit since they are really similar between them, even if they have different tones; while playing I find hard to see when the combo changes without looking at the numbers.
Kodora
Kodora
Finally i have time to reply to all this stuff, so

Konei wrote:

Hard is more of a soft Insane, jumps in KIAI are too overused in my opinion.
I used really few jumps what aren't feels hard even if you put DT on, i tested it carefully before using it.

Konei wrote:

Also a lot of those overlaps with circles are badly done, they're bad readable and don't spread well with Normal's experience.
All those overlaps were done in a very intuitive way. They all keeps with same spacing and placed to make them easy to read with nomod-on.
About spread: this is why this diff called Hard, not a Normal + or so. + it's really not THAT hard to play.

Konei wrote:

Also Easy SV -> 0,80 Normal SV -> 1,00 Hard SV -> 1,72 LOL.
I used x1.72 SV to achieve reasonable long sliders for overlapped patterns, and this was onliest reason why i did it. I asked several modders and BATs before using it, and this is also not onliest Hard with such BPM what uses SV over 1.60. I really feel like you even didn't played it, sorry - sliders here really not that fast, and this also was confirmed by a lot of people. Don't judge real speed just by numbers please.

Well, should be more balanced with Haku's diff anyway.

Konei wrote:

+ Hard's SV changes to 1,20, this is really too much and not fiting in my opinion.
SV changes reflecting song's tempo. Thought, x0.25 SV raisings aren't even noticeable much.

HakuNoKaemi wrote:

If the players see something not used by a non-famous mapper, they obviously freak out with no-sense.
At least i want to see some good arguments from them about WHY this is bad.

HakuNoKaemi wrote:

In the end, there was no reason, for me, to unrank this.
And you're not the onliest person who said this. I asked several BATs about it and they are confirmed that diff spread was already fine as it was, but now we need to remove all scores what people achieve here. Oh well.

IceBeam wrote:

wow guys I'm a bit dissapointed

I completely disagree that the mapset is unbalanced..every difficulty mapped just like it should be for 4-diffs mapset. there's a possible small gap between normal and hard, but I'd rather said Normal could be a bit harder, but Kodora's Hard...it's literally can't even be easier, seriously. It's mapped using the lowest possible distance spacing and ar for comfortable play, otherwise it would be just a mess. come on guys, it's a 192 bpm song we're speaking about.

but I also liked Normal, it probably could use more 1/2 complicated rhythm patterns but that's not essential.

I would perhaps disupute about semi-hidden objects in Hard, but that's, you know, a certain BATs' choice whether to accept them or not and it should be done before ranking. the map got ranked, so you shouldn't have bothered it now,imo

anyways I hope you guys work this out asap cause this map is really decent one,gl
THIS. OMG IceBeam i love you.

Zarerion wrote:

"This is bad because it's unreadable."
This is usually not a good argument since readabilty is always entirely up to the player. However that generally applies mainly to Highdiffs, while the usual [Hard] diff should be in a reading difficulty range that the usual [Hard] player can read without toooooooo much trouble.
When the majority of mappers that check a map consider the reading difficulty of map much higher than what the usual [Hard] should have, there's most likely something wrong. This can be fixed either by adjusting the spread (as in adding a new diff like you guys did) or changing those hard part.

What should be done right now depends depends on the spread, not the mapper spirit. Making Kodora's Hard, containing jumps and stuff, much easier would make the gap from Hard -> Insane too high and we'd end up with a similar problem, so the correct way of fixing this is most likely adding a new diff. You did that, but I suppose it was done for the wrong reasons.
I really don't see problems with overlapped patterns on Hard diffs as long as they places on intuitive & readable manner. All of them placed with same DS, in same ways. I tested it a lot with people who have various skill level and everyone was able to read & hit them.

Zarerion wrote:

"This is not unrankable so I won't change it. It's my style."
Even worse argument. If you can't justify why you mapped something the way you did and have to use that line, something is wrong as well.
Note the following: You don't always need to justify patterns or choice of object placement by how it fits the music perfectly. Gimmicks that simply exist to make the playing experience interesting are fine, too, sometimes it's even alright to say "this looks better". Therefore, explain in what way your gimmick IMPROVES the playing experience. If you aren't able to do that and other mappers and modders explain in detail why your gimmick actually WORSENS that experience, you should consider that they might be correct.
Point was not "it's not unrankable so I won't change it". Point is i didn't receive any damn good reasons for removing all overlapped patterns (thought i changed some patters where i received good reasons to fix them).

Zarerion wrote:

You know, in this specific case the best thing you could have done after the unrank was trying to compromise.
I myself know that it is unpleasant to be told that the main idea of your map sucks and that you don't feel well aboiut changing it, so try to only change it partly and see whether that works.
In this map you have slider overlapping a) circles and b) other sliders. Reading the slideroverlaps is much easier than the circleoverlaps because the player sees the slidertrack and can use it to read the object, this doesn't work with completely covered circles, which can only be seen with approach circles.
So stick to the idea of overlapping sliderheads, but change the circles. That way you can keep "your style" and fix the readbility issues. This kind of approach is the best for both sides, as it is usually the fastest.
I already changed some most cruel overlaps what everyone keep mentioring, but rest of them should be fine with new diff spread.

Ceris wrote:

Just a quick thing. Since the anime is called "Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio: Ars Nova", add "Ars Nova" to the tags. Or even better, change the source name to romaji.
Source should be in the language it is supposed to be. Thought yes, needs to fix tags.

-kevincela- wrote:

That sums it up for me. I have seen the Hard diff, and I didn't find the gap between the two diffs SO BIG, I have seen really worse cases. Kodora's Hard imho is just an Hard, no more and no less. The only reason that could make it a bit more difficult than the rest of the Hards is probably the quite high BPM and some overlaps, but I personally don't think that an unrank was needed there. The only thing that I didn't find really readable and more suitable for an insane is 00:17:343 (1) - , which I would have just stacked on 00:17:500 (2) - and that's it. Oh well, I guess it's too late to argue now... Good luck with reranking your map! If I have time I'll also try to mod the map and try to get this back.
Thank you kevin, i changed this.
Last edited by Kodora , edited 4 times in total.
Kodora
Kodora
Also reply to all modders here:

Tsukuyomi
in kodora's hard
01:02:972 (7) - this one affects the flow a bit
because of overlap ad stack 2 sliders' head,and this is kiai moving is in a fierce statu,need to read 01:03:284 (8) - first and move cursor back, makes me uncomfortable
Alright, changed this one

HakuNoKaemi
01:02:972 (7) -
Try this to improve the pattern graphically (it's played the same way)
SPOILER
The slider was a bit cramped, so it did look strange Unstacked this to make it easier to read

00:52:033 (1) - Nazi this from y:312 to y:313
(You would probably have killed me for suggesting this XD)↓ Fixed nazi, but most likely BATs will kill me if i'll apply this (thought it really looks good for me :V)
SPOILER

Change the Combo Colour 3 since it do look too similar to Combo Colour 1. I may suggest using 170,193,255 (similar to Iona's hair,Takao's dress)
I don't want kudosu's for this

Ah, before I don't remember
00:25:781 (1,2,3) - is repeated 5 time in the same section, so try
SPOILER
00:27:032 (1,3,4) -
SPOILER
00:28:282 (1,2,3) - Sorry, no to all last 3 here since it breaks a lot of patters :V


I appreciate everyone's help & support - thank you very much. I really hope it can be re-ranked asap.

Here's diff, i also renamed it in case if you apply Haku's diff since we have easier Hard diff here

SPOILER
osu file format v12

[General]
AudioFilename: savior of song.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 1000
PreviewTime: 45705
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Normal
StackLeniency: 0.3
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 1

[Editor]
Bookmarks: 81020,81098
DistanceSpacing: 1.1
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 8

[Metadata]
Title:SAVIOR OF SONG (TV Size)
TitleUnicode:SAVIOR OF SONG (TV Size)
Artist:nano feat. MY FIRST STORY
ArtistUnicode:ナノ feat. MY FIRST STORY
Creator:Amamiya Yuko
Version:Kodora
Source:蒼き鋼のアルペジオ
Tags:Skystar Kodora opening Arpeggio of Blue Steel
BeatmapID:313821
BeatmapSetID:121716

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HPDrainRate:6
CircleSize:4
OverallDifficulty:7
ApproachRate:8
SliderMultiplier:1.72
SliderTickRate:1

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//Break Periods
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//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples
//Background Colour Transformations
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HakuNoKaemi
3,828 posts
Joined October 2009
HakuNoKaemi

Nemis wrote:

What. The spread was perfect as it was! Anyway, let's give some suggestions for Haku's difficulty then (hoping that yuko is going to add it since I don't think those is going to give the heart back without another diff between the hard and the normal).

[Haku no Arpeggio]
  1. 00:09:999 (6) - Mi sembra sbagliato escludere la musica di sottofondo che parte nel bel mezzo di questo slider anche se non fa parte dei vocals, consiglierei quindi di aggiungeci una nota. Trovo perfetta la combinazione 1 note sul red tick + 1/2 slider che parte su quello bianco.
  2. 00:10:624 (7,1,2,3) - Questo pattern è davvero poco intuitivo e difficile da leggere in quanto ci sono diverse note che cadono sui red ticks. Ti consiglierei di cambiare il pattern (non necessariamente il ritmo) rendendolo più leggibile, magari sostituendo 00:11:249 (2,3) - questi due elementi con dua sliders 1/1 che partono sui red ticks.
    Ho modificato spostando il (6) 1/2 avanti e aggiungendo dei circle prima e dopo( che finiscono comunque su tick rossi)
  3. 00:56:252 (4) - Aggiungi una new combo quì e rimuovi quella successiva (00:56:721 (1) - ). Trovo molto meglio falla partire con l'inizio del nuovo KIAI anzichè con il partire dei vocals.
    Preferisco comunque che l'NC sia consistente con le liriche, come ho fatto in tutta la mappa
Spero di esser stato un minimo utile ^-^

EDIT: Also, I'd highly suggest to change the colors a bit since they are really similar between them, even if they have different tones; while playing I find hard to see when the combo changes without looking at the numbers.
Grazie Nemis ^^
(Ho risposto solo a ciò che non ho applicato/ho applicato diversamente)

http://puu.sh/5aVVJ.rar
Garven
osu! Alumni
5,857 posts
Joined January 2010
Garven
Just a quickie mod here.

[General]
Tick rate 2 fits this song best
Do you plan on adding Haku's difficulty, Yuko? I'm not going to mod it if it's not going to be added.
Also the current mp3 sounds like ass a youtube rip. Try this one. http://puu.sh/5b1S7.mp3
192 flat BPM, offset 648. Thanks to jonathanlfj for finding, encoding, and timing this new mp3. It's not that great, but it's much better than the current one.

[Easy]
00:25:469 (1) - This section feels a bit cluttered with hit objects. It's a really calm part in the Easy difficulty. I think simplifying 00:28:282 (1,2,3) - to something like this would fit the pace much better

00:37:970 - Adding a circle here would help transition to the next phrase
00:42:658 - Insert a break here
00:47:345 (2,1,2,3) - This is incredibly boring rhythmically for the start of the kiai section. Spruce it up a bit. Same applies to 00:56:252 (1) -
01:13:910 (1,2,3) - Considering you're reaching the climax, using circles would give a better feeling of amping up.
Add a spinner somewhere so that there are variable high scores possible.

[Normal]
00:21:094 - Add a break
00:33:282 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2) - Geez. Try using circles sometimes. All sliders gives a very samey feeling and grows dull fast.
00:38:126 - Add a circle here to transition to the next phrase better and give a feeling of actually increasing tension
00:42:658 - Add a break
00:53:908 (1) - Going with the vocals here would give a nice variation to the bland 1/1 rhythm right before
01:03:909 (1) - ^
01:06:409 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5) - This is all 1/1. :/ Try giving a little variation in here. It's pretty drab as-is. 01:11:410 (1) - is fine with the 1/1 considering the musical emphasis, but before it, there's plenty to follow that would fit within a Normal's context
01:13:754 - Adding a circle here would help transition to the next phrase
Add a spinner somewhere so that there are variable high scores possible.

[Hard]
The spread from N -> H is a little high, but it's not that horrible when you put it in perspective of the set as a whole. I came here expecting something outrageous. I'm kinda disappointed.
I think lowering the distance snap during the intro would give a better feeling of transition from the slower part to the faster part when the back kicks in at 00:10:155 -
00:07:499 (1) - Not really seeing much reason why you stacked this like that. I think using an anti-jump would work a lot better to fit with what you did at the end of the other two parts prior.
SPOILER

Well, I have to end this here. Getting too many interruptions and ran out of time. Hopefully this'll at least improve the easier diffs a bit. Definitely use the new mp3 and add spinners in the least.
fanzhen0019
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
1,723 posts
Joined July 2010
fanzhen0019

IceBeam wrote:

wow guys I'm a bit dissapointed
but that's, you know, a certain BATs' choice whether to accept them or not and it should be done before ranking. the map got ranked, so you shouldn't have bothered it now,imo

IceBeam wrote:

I'm a bit dissapointed
I
don't
think
unrank
is
a
nice
choice
.

NO
Zare
1,512 posts
Joined March 2012
Zare

Kodora wrote:

Point was not "it's not unrankable so I won't change it". Point is i didn't receive any damn good reasons for removing all overlapped patterns (thought i changed some patters where i received good reasons to fix them).
You did get reasons. You might not agree with those reasons, which is why you keep ignoring, but you did get them.
Also you ignored that specific point of mine.
How DO the overlaps IMPROVE the map in your opinion? To me it looks random and just makes the map harder to read. Doing stuff for difficulty is okay in Insane diffs, but not in a Hard, unless it fits the spread which isn't the case here, so tell me, why did you use these overlaps in the first place?
keep in mind I myself don't really agree with the unrank, but since we're at this point already I might as well ask some unpleasant questions to make you think about your own mapping a bit
Kodora
Kodora

Zarerion wrote:

You did get reasons. You might not agree with those reasons, which is why you keep ignoring, but you did get them.
Also you ignored that specific point of mine.
How DO the overlaps IMPROVE the map in your opinion? To me it looks random and just makes the map harder to read. Doing stuff for difficulty is okay in Insane diffs, but not in a Hard, unless it fits the spread which isn't the case here, so tell me, why did you use these overlaps in the first place?

I fixed stuff what was properly explained. Just mentioring fact that there are exist some overlaps can't be counted as a reason to remove them. All this stuff in map was properly tested and modded before, applied by a lot of modders and 2 BATs and added to ranking list as acceptable stuff for a Hard diff - and this is objective standpoint.

And please, keep in mind that modder's job is first of all helping to improve already existing map, not telling "how this should be mapped". If you thinking that this should be mapped in other way go map your own ver rather than trying to mod map what you don't like - this is already horrible attitude.

hi soulfear

Zarerion wrote:

keep in mind I myself don't really agree with the unrank, but since we're at this point already I might as well ask some unpleasant questions to make you think about your own mapping a bit
I'll just quote post above

HakuNoKaemi wrote:

If the players see something not used by a non-famous mapper, they obviously freak out with no-sense.
Kodora
Kodora
Anyway,

Garven wrote:

Just a quickie mod here.

[General]
Tick rate 2 fits this song best Yes, it fits at most of parts but sadly sounds too busy at the beginning & calm part due to SV changes & songs tempo - this song cries for multiple tickrate ;_;

[Hard]
The spread from N -> H is a little high, but it's not that horrible when you put it in perspective of the set as a whole. I came here expecting something outrageous. I'm kinda disappointed.
I think lowering the distance snap during the intro would give a better feeling of transition from the slower part to the faster part when the back kicks in at 00:10:155 - I just do not want to make it too clamped here :<
00:07:499 (1) - Not really seeing much reason why you stacked this like that. I think using an anti-jump would work a lot better to fit with what you did at the end of the other two parts prior. Fixed that.
SPOILER

Well, I have to end this here. Getting too many interruptions and ran out of time. Hopefully this'll at least improve the easier diffs a bit. Definitely use the new mp3 and add spinners in the least.
diff
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Zare
1,512 posts
Joined March 2012
Zare
I like how you keep saying why it should not be unranked, but not why it should be ranked
Kodora
Kodora

Zarerion wrote:

I like how you keep saying why it should not be unranked, but not why it should be ranked
Because it already was accepted as rankable (and was ranked).

Hope you got my answer.
HakuNoKaemi
3,828 posts
Joined October 2009
HakuNoKaemi

Zarerion wrote:

Kodora wrote:

Point was not "it's not unrankable so I won't change it". Point is i didn't receive any damn good reasons for removing all overlapped patterns (thought i changed some patters where i received good reasons to fix them).
You did get reasons. You might not agree with those reasons, which is why you keep ignoring, but you did get them.
Also you ignored that specific point of mine.
How DO the overlaps IMPROVE the map in your opinion? To me it looks random and just makes the map harder to read. Doing stuff for difficulty is okay in Insane diffs, but not in a Hard, unless it fits the spread which isn't the case here, so tell me, why did you use these overlaps in the first place?
keep in mind I myself don't really agree with the unrank, but since we're at this point already I might as well ask some unpleasant questions to make you think about your own mapping a bit
You're just asking what you won't understand.
A Subjective fact you won't probably like.
They flow well with the map, and most aren't even perceived.
Konei
2,959 posts
Joined March 2012
Konei

Kodora wrote:

Zarerion wrote:

I like how you keep saying why it should not be unranked, but not why it should be ranked
Because it already was accepted as rankable (and was ranked).

Hope you got my answer.
Wat, if some BATs don't know some ranking rules and just rank the mapset without knowing them, it should be reranked after an unrank because it was once accepted as rankable? I don't get this to be honest.
Broccoly
1,359 posts
Joined May 2012
Broccoly

Konei wrote:

Wat, if some BATs don't know some ranking rules and just rank the mapset without knowing them, it should be reranked after an unrank because it was once accepted as rankable? I don't get this to be honest.
Hm. I don't think that's a good example to the case here. There were no apparent unrankable issues but was unranked because of a rather subjective reason (complaints from some players and that of the unrank-BAT). Kodora is saying that since it doesn't go against any ranking rules the map is still rankable as it was, although the map's style is controversial.
Kodora
Kodora

Konei wrote:

Wat, if some BATs don't know some ranking rules and just rank the mapset without knowing them, it should be reranked after an unrank because it was once accepted as rankable? I don't get this to be honest.
For this case was no any misunderstanding of ranking rules and this was already pointed out several times here. This unrank is subjective, and also very, very questionable.

Anyway, let's do everything to re-rank it quick.
HakuNoKaemi
3,828 posts
Joined October 2009
HakuNoKaemi

Konei wrote:

Kodora wrote:

Because it already was accepted as rankable (and was ranked).

Hope you got my answer.
Wat, if some BATs don't know some ranking rules and just rank the mapset without knowing them, it should be reranked after an unrank because it was once accepted as rankable? I don't get this to be honest.
Other than what they say.
I've seen BATs who misunderstood rules/guidelines, and made the mapper remove some awesome things.
Ah, Zarerion pretty much asked an objective response to an answer like "Why you like that kind of pizza?" or probably a better metaphor, "Why you cook meat like this?, which is pretty impossible to find.
Garven
osu! Alumni
5,857 posts
Joined January 2010
Garven
Awesome as is horrible, right?

Anyway, you can always silence the ticks during the beginning if that's your qualm about using rate 2, Kodora.
Sieg
3,981 posts
Joined February 2012
Sieg
Imo gap between insane-hard and hard-normal is quite equal. You can argue about overlaps on hard which some players may find harass a bit (you can't please everyone after all).... but gap is not the case, seriously.
Momochikun
1,926 posts
Joined October 2012
Momochikun
To be honest.. i'm feel really confusing at some part of this map -w-
There're some note that completely hidden with the slidertrack
Well.. good luck on rerank this !
banvi
1,793 posts
Joined June 2009
banvi
First, the difficulty spread is fine imo.
About some notes hidden by the slidertrack in kodora's Hard, I passed in the first play (certainly it's hard to read... but it's nice idea imo)
People have different tastes, but at least I think it doesn't need to fix.
Anyway I think this really don't deserve to be unranked :<

Well, it's just my opinion.
I hope this map get re-ranked soon ></
soulfear
947 posts
Joined January 2010
soulfear
星爷和Kodora终究不能达成真爱，看来爱♂情是艰难的，我又相信爱♂情了。
Kodora
Kodora
Fear变态 >_>
Chloe
1,160 posts
Joined April 2011
Chloe

Kodora wrote:

Fear变态 >_>
tutuhaha
3,000 posts
Joined October 2010
tutuhaha

Kodora wrote:

Fear变态 >_>
mod
14:19 tutuhaha: :O about you hard？
14:19 Kodora: yes o.o
14:21 Kodora: OAO
14:23 tutuhaha: 00:17:343 (1) - I dont really like this one
14:24 Kodora: well that will be changed
14:25 tutuhaha: 00:32:657 (3,4) - maybe make more far space╮(￣▽￣")╭？...
14:26 tutuhaha: 00:37:657 (1,2) - ^ This one you should make more big space ._.b
14:27 Kodora: OAO
14:27 Kodora: maybe you're right ._.
14:28 tutuhaha: 01:02:972 (7,8) - this part is litter bit hard
14:28 Kodora: will change this
14:29 Kodora: unstack should works better
14:30 tutuhaha: 01:15:160 (1,2) - change the place
14:31 Kodora: O_O
14:31 Kodora: how
14:31 tutuhaha: 01:25:161 (1,2) - more big space
14:33 tutuhaha: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1090531
14:34 Kodora: oh silly me
14:34 Kodora: you're right ._>
14:34 Kodora: ._.
14:34 Kodora: will fix
14:35 Kodora: anything other? o.o
14:36 tutuhaha: wwww nope
14:42 Kodora: OAO
14:42 Kodora: post log pls
14:42 Kodora: Yuko will give kd
14:43 Kodora: and thank you very much for your help <3
14:43 tutuhaha: kkkk XD
HakuNoKaemi
3,828 posts
Joined October 2009
HakuNoKaemi
I Re-Equalised the mp3 Garven posted to be less loud and less flat, applied the timing to my difficulty and found the video offset of it (which is 530)
Irreversible
osu! Alumni
4,315 posts
Joined December 2011
Irreversible
Uhm, as soon as you've fixed the stuff and you're ready, you can call me for a rebubble~
Avena
2,158 posts
Joined December 2012
Avena
:comment deleted by self to stop the army of chinese BATs:
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HakuNoKaemi
3,828 posts
Joined October 2009
HakuNoKaemi
One does not simply say "this is bad" "this suxxx" and so without even suggesting how to correct it.
Avena
2,158 posts
Joined December 2012
Avena

HakuNoKaemi wrote:

One does not simply say "this is bad" "this suxxx" and so without even suggesting how to correct it.
He knows what I am talking about, but he is living in denial.
popner
osu! Alumni
2,407 posts
Joined March 2011
popner
First time to see such an offensive mod. The mapper don't need to reply anything to things like this.
Avena
2,158 posts
Joined December 2012
Avena

popner wrote:

First time to see such an offensive mod. The mapper don't need to reply anything to things like this.
That's because you don't know our history.
Yea this mod is under the category of "stupid", but to be honest this isn't even a mod, this is just be expressing how much I hate his ignorance.
And no, it doesn't work well in PM with him.
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