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High BPM + Low AR = :(

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Does anyone here think that a high bpm map ~ 190+ shouldn't have AR's lower than 9?

It's such a bad design, especially for streamy maps...


opinions?
boat
ar1 best ar
Almost
Since I can't read for crap, yes.
Pawww_old
Personally i hate low AR but i think its nice that people who can actually read high BPM + low AR get rewarded.
Aqo
learn to read man :v

stuff that you hate now because you can't read it will suddenly become the most fun thing for you to play in 4-5 months once your reading improves
jesse1412
I hate how overused ar9 is. People should use ar8 and ar10 more, ar9 is cancer.
Soarezi
I respect people who can read Ar7/8, i respect people who can ''read'' 10.3/11. idc about the rest
Tshemmp

Aqo wrote:

learn to read man :v

stuff that you hate now because you can't read it will suddenly become the most fun thing for you to play in 4-5 months once your reading improves
Can confirm this.
Zare
Almost

Aqo wrote:

learn to read man :v

stuff that you hate now because you can't read it will suddenly become the most fun thing for you to play in 4-5 months once your reading improves
I always try to improve my reading, then I spend a few days grinding DT and then my reading goes back to square one. :(
GoldenWolf

Almost wrote:

Aqo wrote:

learn to read man :v

stuff that you hate now because you can't read it will suddenly become the most fun thing for you to play in 4-5 months once your reading improves
I always try to improve my reading, then I spend a few days grinding DT and then my reading goes back to square one. :(
Weird, my reading generally improve when I play DT ._.



learn to read man :v
usa
thank you based djpop and kirby for teaching us your ways
Soaprman
I think the choice of what AR to use is less about the BPM and more about the mapping style and general franticness of the map. Not all songs of the same BPM will be mapped as densely as one another.
Kodora
AR should be adjusted to patterns, not to BPM imo.

I may give a lot of examples where >100bpm map become unreadable just because of the way how they was mapped.
Zare
"unreadable"... unreadable for who? for you? for someone with 50 plays or someone with 500000 plays? for someone who practices Easy regularly or for someone who plays HDHR Insanes all day every day?

but yeah, go ahead and link some ..."unreadable" 100 BPM maps. And be sure to link 100 BPM maps, not 100 BPM songs, otherwise the discussion will make no sense whatsoever.
Kodora

Zarerion wrote:

"unreadable"... unreadable for who? for you? for someone with 50 plays or someone with 500000 plays? for someone who practices Easy regularly or for someone who plays HDHR Insanes all day every day?
If you mean insane diffs, then they obviously mapped not for people with 50 plays. Approach Rate exist here only to keep maps reasonably readable for it's challenge level.

And, of course, making challenge just by weird settings is a very wrong way to go.

Zarerion wrote:

but yeah, go ahead and link some ..."unreadable" 100 BPM maps. And be sure to link 100 BPM maps, not 100 BPM songs, otherwise the discussion will make no sense whatsoever.
That's the point. 70 bpm song can be mapped as 140 bpm, or even as 280 bpm sometimes just because it fits. That's why i said that adjusting AR only to song's original bpm is weird. Anyway, some examples what definitely needs AR 9:

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/268490
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/103674
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/257882
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/59798 (I know it's an old one, but it feel better with 9 anyway)
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/172193
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/212120
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/292845
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/265353 (Lan diff)

I guess should be enough.
buny
Low BPM + High AR = :(

gotta stop hugging that ar9 button
GoldenWolf
Some of these maps are already AR9?
Reyvateil

GoldenWolf wrote:

Some of these maps are already AR9?
I think he was trying to show maps with low BPM that fit to AR9...

Maybe?

I think this is a good high BPM map with AR8, opposed to the other jumpy difficulty which fits more to AR9, the spacing in this one makes it feel really good:
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/152463&m=0
Kodora

GoldenWolf wrote:

Some of these maps are already AR9?
It is just examples of maps where AR 9 works perfectly. I linked some AR8 ones assuming that they looks much better with 9.
Zare
the point is, these maps are basically doubled BPM. AR should be related to the BPM you need to click, and if that's not the original BPM, why even dicuss that..?
Kodora
All maps what i linked keeping with song's original BPM. If some 1/6 or 1/8 beats exist in song it is not a point to count them as "double-BPM mapped".
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