Garven wrote:

Just an illustration of the concept since I don't think you're quite understanding what I'm saying.

http://puu.sh/6gKfW/5ebb2f1d1d.osu

I stopped applying at 01:00:018 - , but I think you'll get what I talking about. uh... is any issue here after 445's mod? 0.0

Also why did you add a break at 01:33:351 - ? It's such an awkward place to stop. D: uhhh?? why? i think the break here is appreciate, for in the song this is a repeat part next and i just do break to separate the map into two parts here, that's all D:
And for me, the best kiai spot would be during the part at 01:00:018 - and stopping where you start it again. ha... well, the kiai part is more like a special part different from others, and as u see, in the kiai like the 1st one i also used lower sv to do this. and imo, the song's part which had set kiai now is more like a main part in this song, and the song's part in ur opinion should be kiai is more like a refrain to the next heat part which obviously is kiai. so i think the kiai set is just ok 0.0

Just a couple of observations on the Extra map itself: The circles feel way too huge for the general slow pace of the map. hmm, this is just what i want to express. and also, if this is a cs4 map, the map's composing will be worse in looking and don't work well in some of the patterns in it, cs3 is good.
The kiai feels especially slow-paced which is kind of disappointing since I'd expect that to be the super-awesome part, not the kinda of mellow less distance-snap-breaking compared to the part right before it. haha sry for disappointing u... maybe this can be more awesome, but i think this is my best result which i don't want to ruin :3

Charles445 wrote:

Not fond of the contrast in Garven's suggestion, pure black and pure white is risky to do because it can break on so many skins. It's also controversial because as far as I can tell most people despise grayscale combo colors.
The muted red and... green? Colors are a bit too washed out and muddy.

While I agree the bright red and bright yellow are very sharp and blinding, I'm honestly not sure what it would be replaced with.
At least they're easy to see during gameplay.

Maybe somebody can come up with a better solution for the colors?

Charles445 wrote:

Not fond of the contrast in Garven's suggestion, pure black and pure white is risky to do because it can break on so many skins. It's also controversial because as far as I can tell most people despise grayscale combo colors.
The muted red and... green? Colors are a bit too washed out and muddy.

While I agree the bright red and bright yellow are very sharp and blinding, I'm honestly not sure what it would be replaced with.
At least they're easy to see during gameplay.

Maybe somebody can come up with a better solution for the colors? i really can't understand why these combo colors have issues.

[Normal]
00:58:559 (1) - This spinner is too short for a Normal difficulty. I recommend removing it and adding two circles at 00:59:184 - and 00:59:601. fixed, but i used slider here instead 0.0
01:20:018 (2) - Try to move the endpoint so it's easier to see the path at the end. -> http://puu.sh/6lbSn.jpg fixed
02:25:226 (1) - This spinner is too short for a Normal difficulty. I recommend removing it and adding two circles at 02:25:851 - and 02:26:268 - fixed as well.
02:40:018 (1) - I'd rearrange the end of this slider so its path is clearer. -> http://puu.sh/6lc5f.jpg fixed
02:43:351 (2) - The end might need to be moved up and to the left so it's a clearer path. -> http://puu.sh/6lc7j.jpg fixed

[Hard]
00:55:018 (1,2,3) - The spacing here is weird and hard to read. fixed, changed to another pattern.
00:58:351 (7) - It looks like this was originally at x 463 y 281, but was moved because of slider overlap. It's hard to read the antijump, but rearranging the 7 while there might fix it. Try moving the 7 to here http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/1248910 ok, fixed, and pattern like this at 02:25:017 (7) - as well.
02:35:851 (1,2,3,4) - Move this to the right a little bit, right now the automatic stacking is making it touch 02:35:434 (2) - ok, fixed

[Lunatic]
00:57:413 (2,3) - Reverse these two circles, this is too hard to read otherwise. ah... no... this is just a pattern and i think this is not that much hard to players playing this diff readding this pattern 0.0
02:24:080 (2,3) - Reverse these two circles, this is too hard to read otherwise. as above, i think this can be kept 0.0


Not going to bubble immediately after changes, need to make sure Garven and others have time to give feedback if they want or if any issues weren't resolved.

Garven wrote:

The colors were just an illustration for the concept. Even I wouldn't advocate that color scheme, haha. Using more loud colors such as orange and turquoise might work well.

Feel free to move this without me though - I have no idea when I'd be able to sit down and give this a full check.

As for a quick scan, in Normal 00:58:559 (1) - and 02:25:226 (1) - are super-short for this level of difficulty. already fixed in 445's mod
Normal's star rating is pretty damned high for the easiest of the set too. This would benefit greatly if you added an Easy to fill in that beginner gap. hmm, thou the star rating is high, a really easy map the normal diff is, right? i think it's easy enough to be a lowest diff in mapset...

In the difficulty settings, I don't recommend having OD 2 lower than AR. It can lead to confusion when you get really off beat, but still land 300s in-game. This sadly applies to all difficulties in the set. Lunatic is pretty ridiculous at AR 9 OD 6.

Charles445 wrote:

Lunatic would be good at OD 7 I think. ok, OD7 in Lunatic diff is fine to me as well

[Colours]
Combo1 : 248,204,31
Combo2 : 216,56,56

Lust wrote:

Combo 2 is still too bright, try a bit more pastel :^)

D33d wrote:

Priti asked me to comment on the combo colours.

BeatofIke wrote:

Same with me. Anyways, the combo colors are relatively fine imo. Maybe the mapper was thinking the color Red symbolizes "Reimu" considering this is Reimu's Theme in Scarlet Weather Rhapsody (yes, I do play this game lol) since the clothes she wears is red. The color "Yellow" represents the "Ground" since the music is basically a remix of "The Ground's color is Yellow"

Charles445 wrote:

[General]
I double checked all of the map's metadata and found a problem.

In the artist, あきやまうに should be あきやま うに
The space is important to denote first and last name, also the other ranked versions do that.

That's all.

Garven wrote:

As you requested~

[General]
Tick rate 2 fits this song best ok, changed tr to 2 in every diff, thou idk if it'll increase much more difficulty of the higher diffs 0.0
The custom normal-hitnormal.wav is incredibly annoying. It sounds like a mistake when you first come across it until you realize that it's hitting on every single note.
I changed the pitch down a fifth and increased the volume a little bit to compensate. This sounds a little better to me - at least it's not incredibly annoying.
http://puu.sh/6x1xB/08d4b1ce5c.wav
I still suggest you find a better normalhitnormal or hitsound the parts that use it better. uhhhhh...... hmmmmmm...... the hormalhitnormal now is just what i really need in this map now and just what i wanna express in hitsounds, and it gives me a strong impression that i actually made all of patterns following this hitsound. i know what u mean "annoying" and i've checked ur provided hitsound, but it's just... not what i really think fit the song. as the song's beat in violin and brass's beat r so strong in every part of this song, the hitsound i've set is just keeping them in a same level in maybe melody, or feeling, or even volume. i really think the normalhitnormal feels good, thou some bat reminds me the volume of normalhitnormal is annoying before i changed lots of hitsound setting, and it's better for them right now. if u just listen to the hitsound it maybe annoying enough to most of people, but i do think it works well in this map. i really hope this can be kept.

[Normal]
I'd do OD +1 to fit more with the AR. hmm??? i think od=ar-2 is the most appreciate set in every diff thou... (not for lunatic+ diffs coz the od requires more from pros q:
00:33:351 (1) - I wouldn't recommend stacking underneath a sliderend for the easiest of the set. Also having a different rhythm like this is generally frowned upon for a Normal. There are quite a few throughout the map. See if you can fix the ones where the rhythm isn't constant going into the next note (so something like 01:12:726 (3,1) - is okay) u r right, i changed this pattern, and overlook the map to see if there're patterns like this, i hope the map is fine to this now
01:00:018 (1,2) - I guess these giant gaps are to corral the star rating in? It's a bit awkward to hit the 2 without the preceding offbeats to establish the rhythm. i have to acknowledge that the gaps do corraled the star rating, but what i really want is the rhythm expressed now here. u can see other parts in this diff and u'll always find that i usually skip those white lines' beat to make the rhythm more vivid, rather than just follow the drum which is really boring to me. i know the easiest diff don't need a diffcult rhythm for noobs to catch, but i think the rhythm now is still a piece of cake to them, with more fun. so i think this can be kept 0.0
01:46:684 (1) - Try this so it doesn't look so crumpled. Generally a 5-point slider's curve will look best (counting the beginning and the red anchor) ok fixed, maybe it's my bad habit to use lots of control points when i make a curve slider which is not an arc lol

SPOILER

02:40:018 (1) - ^ fixed as well
02:46:684 (2) - Run out of slider ideas? q: It doesn't really match the rest of the sliders for this part of the song and is more fitting for use at 02:53:350 (1) - haha alright, i changed this to another shape (i just wanna use the arc once at this part, thou it's not that good to u... q:
This is pretty borderline difficulty-wise for the easiest of the set. Even the star rating is to the point where I am wary. The back and forth style that you use is not quite as intuitive than having a more smooth flow style, which also makes me worry. yeah... the diff is the easiest diff in the mapset and people always think it should be really easy to noobs. what i thought before making this diff is just doing some maybe "normal diff's patterns" and at last the star rating is just corralled. so whatever i think the map is fine itself, but i'll watch out this really carefully next time i make the easiest diff to fit the mapset more.

[Hard]
I found this plays nicely at AR7. yeah it's made for ar7, i change it to ar8 just to fit the mapset. well, i fixed it back yeah.
00:13:143 (5,1) - I see why you did this, but it plays really weird and doesn't read so well. This Hard difficulty is already up there since you're using a ton of 1/4 rhythms. Using the 5 as a circle and the 1 as the slider afterward plays and reads a lot better. i agree with u, haven't thought of this, fixed

01:53:142 (5,1) - ^ fixed, and 00:26:476 (5,1) - as well.
00:13:976 (3,4,5) - Going from this spacing to 00:14:601 (5,1) - doesn't really make much sense musically. i see, changed this pattern.
01:53:768 (2,3,4,5) - The spacing changes here aren't nearly as bad, but it still has the same issue.^ yeah, i changed the pattern to a same one as above
00:26:476 (5,1) - Same thing as at 0:13 ^
00:55:851 (3,1,2) - Again, this spacing change isn't very intuitive. oh here i think this is just a same pattern to 00:53:768 (2,3) - yeah u r right, arranged ds
02:23:350 (1,2) - ^ ^
01:09:601 (4,1) - This jump was okay, but that you don't follow up with more jumps with that same strong strike in the song makes me kind of sad. so poor my mapping skill is... i even don't know what is good or bad... i'll watch out this next time ;w;
01:25:226 (2,3) - This looks like you ran out of room and ended up with bad spacing. :/ still have some way to fix this, here i changed this pattern and arraged ds better now.
01:30:018 (1,2,3) - These play sooo much better spread out to fit the speedup. ok~!

SPOILER

02:00:017 (1) - The first half of this kiai feels empty of extra hitsounds hmm, orz... this kiai's rhythm is just same to the 1st one's. uhh, maybe for this is just a hard diff, i didn't set so much objs, that makes u feeling empty in this part maybe 0.0

[Lunatic]
00:10:434 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - You know, I had the hardest time with these. They're simple, and I know I can play them, but just the way they're presented and the direction they change with the slider I think is the culprit. Do you think you could make them a little more similar to how you made this rhythm at 00:23:768 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - so that the direction of movement is with the jump instead of going against it? yeah~ really easy work and ur mod just remind me of this, i do can make a better composing, u can check it now and see if it's more acceptable to u :3
01:13:351 - This speed up is... well, it doesn't make that much sense. It's just a repeat of what you just played. I'd keep both of these sections identical (I prefer the faster one ;D ) Same applies to the next iteration when this repeats. hmm, the same part they r indeed, but the speed up is just for what i felt from the song. if u force this as an issue i can't say much of things, of course same sections use same sv make sense. thou at same time, same sections have different sv is also a way express the map's spirit, maybe the map it self is odd to some players, i think this changing is same to u like i said. still keep this part, hope it can be acceptable 0.0

[Extra]
00:56:684 (1,2,3) - Playing these as all circles feels a lot more visceral. uh... that means too hard? sry for my bad english knowledge in word "visceral" ;w;... if u mean the sliders start from blue lines felt strange, i can't say much of things, but for there're lots of sliders start from blue lines, i think maybe we can just regard this as a kind of pattern q:
01:27:518 (1) - ctrl g and 01:27:726 (2,3) - ctrl g these two at the same time
Flows with the back and forth motion muuuch better this way.
ahhhh...... i really don't think this is a good idea... ;w; let me explain:
1. now this map is diffcult enough, if i reverse 01:27:726 (2) - this can become a extremely hard pattern to be played to nearly all of players, for the overlap from 01:27:309 (4) - in a short time and really confuse players aimming at the correct place of the slider's head. trust me, even pros will hate me if i changed like this... ;w;
2. the flow after changed will give another feeling, it's fine to u with this jump, but after this, 01:27:934 (3,4,1) - will be a really hard work to do with their pattern's flow: after a really big jump at 01:27:518 (1,2,3) - , no matter how 4 placed and composed, it still will be a weird flow to play. what's more, it will give a larger jump while the map is already very diffcult here...
3. what i wanna express is "big jump, and small jump " in the very high tention kiai here. u can see big jump with yellow sliders and small ones with red sliders in this kiai. what's more, all of them can be read easily, still hard patterns for their big jumps thou. and it's what i felt from the song as well, the violin's melody is just telling me this q:
so... maybe i'll just keep this pattern be like this 0.0
02:16:684 (1,1) - This spacing change is really strange to me. You might be trying to signify that there is a spacing change with your different new combos here, but all it's doing is leaving me frustrated since I think there's going to be a rhythm change, not a slight spacing change since all your other circle slider 1/4 pairs are the same color in this section. See 02:13:768 (2,3,1,2) - for what I mean i know what u mean here. the pattern i set here is just to show some differences between the same rhythm patterns. the ds changing is just what the reason i set nc here actually, like how can i make the 1/4 jump more acceptable if i give a sudden ds changing. and in testing by others these patterns just work well, so i decide to keep this 0.0
02:28:768 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - Do you think you could map this so that there isn't so much overlapping going on? It's really messy right now. hmm, ok~ of course overlap is just like a mess... thou the overlap do is what i want at first. but yeah i think u r right, i'll fix all patterns like this. (except 02:48:767 (1,2,1,2,1) - this one, the overlap is just what the pattern need 0.0

01:26:684 (1) - These sections are the best part of the map once you apply the ctrl g's. hmm... ;w;

Garven wrote:

We had some additional IRC modding sessions. Normal's star rating is more fitting now, along with it playing better and visually more appealing and clarification on previous mods.

We're good to go here. Rebubbled!

Frostmourne wrote:

Just a reminder that I will mod/re-rank this evening (approximately 4-5 hours)
Sorry if it takes your time a bit.

Frostmourne wrote:

Just a reminder that I will mod/re-rank this evening (approximately 4-5 hours)
Sorry if it takes your time a bit.

Priti wrote:

Lust wrote:

Combo 2 is still too bright, try a bit more pastel :^)

The combo color previews are awkward tbh, these look more pastelish and rustic ingame.

@HW: You kinda said the same about the AR but due to the obvious choice of the players, it was changed.
Again, you should understand, this is about giving the players the best playing experience, not raising your ego by making your ideas ranked.

nold_1702 wrote:

Also,you can see the Hollow Wings turned a deaf ear to you,bothering him will not change his mind.

DenoisoGoiso wrote:

NICE SHIT RERANK
gratz

Decipher wrote:

DenoisoGoiso wrote:

NICE SHIT RERANK
gratz

can't you just stop talking in a rude way?