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The evils of NOEZ (aka mangafox, mangahere, etc etc)

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Kurohayabusa
Hi, I'm relatively new in terms of posts, but have been playing osu for the past year or so (great stuff btw). The other day, while I was swimming in the depths of the internet, I realised that many people who love to read manga have no idea about some of the terrible things that have been going on. And by terrible things, I mean NOEZ.

The guys on batoto explain it way better than I do, so please take the time to read this thread: http://www.batoto.net/forums/topic/5527-mangafox-co-how-noez-does-business/?hl=%20noez.

As a scanlator myself, it really irks me when people take our hard work, slap a few of their watermarks over their low quality rips and parade it around as their work. And even worse, they rip off unsuspecting, innocent webgoers by selling their bootleg goods and using heavy advertising. So for those students out there, it would be like someone copying your A+ assignment, crossing out your name with a pencil and scribbling their own name next to it, before selling it to another student.

Doesn't make it any better that they try to pass off their bootleg goods as "free advertising for the mangaka", when obviously they're stealing revenue with their goods. So an analogy would be a craftsman, who makes beautiful, handmade sculptures to sell in order to support himself and his family. He's pretty well known and respected, and he himself is pretty proud of it. When all of a sudden, a huge ass marketplace opens outside his small shop, selling crappily made sculptures for about a quarter of the price of his, attempting to imitate his style and proudly displaying his name on it. Tourists visiting the area would be more attracted to this huge ass marketplace and super cheap prices, and so, with barely any people going his way, the craftsman is left in the dust.

I dunno about you, but that pisses me off greatly. Scanlation itself is already in a legal grey zone, I'll admit, but that doesn't mean that you should swoop in for the kill, trying to wring all the money out of someone else's pockets...
Lust
everybody knows about this, bringing it up in more places over and over again is like your teacher telling you not to copy from wikipedia, but still do anyways

if someone rips your work, i feel bad for you, but thats the risk you take when publishing things on the internet
mathexpert
Does anybody know of any good alternatives to mangafox that doesn't do this sort of thing?
Sallad4ever
try http://www.batoto.net
Many scanlator put batoto as recomended online manga reader on their credit page so I guess it have their permission
Synchrostar

Sallad4ever wrote:

try http://www.batoto.net
very good site to read manga, quality op
silmarilen
so you distribute something for free that people are supposed to pay for and then you complain about someone else distributing your stuff?
i dont get it
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Kurohayabusa

silmarilen wrote:

so you distribute something for free that people are supposed to pay for and then you complain about someone else distributing your stuff?
i dont get it
Redistributing our scanlations not the main issue, the main issue is that they're not respecting our wishes to keep credit pages in and are branding it as their own work, AND that they're unduly making money off it. Scanlators are non-profit organisations, but NOEZ is literally making bootleg goods to sell.

And yes, most scanlation groups support Batoto, as they actually do what we ask them to rather than lie "Oh gee, our admin isn't here so we can't do anything so sorry OTL :( ", and also that they keep the images in the original high quality PNG format rather than use webcrawlers to rip them to jpg
Mogsy
I can't help but find this whole thing silly.

NOEZ is making money off of those who freely translate and distribute works that are meant to be paid for. While NOEZ is clearly the larger of several evils here, I can't help but feel like while scanlations do increase awareness of certain series, it's ultimately still not supporting the industry since the creators kinda need sales to keep the series these scanlators pick up afloat (I have less of a problem with this if the manga isn't licensed for distribution in your own region/importation would be too costly). So in the end, NOEZ is making money the mangaka SHOULD be making.

It's a weird situation but that's just the industry.
Jarby

Kurohayabusa wrote:

Scanlation itself is already in a legal grey zone
No, it's plain copyright infringement to distribute derivative works of a copyrighted piece of material without explicit permission. While I know a lot of groups take a more ethical route by discontinuing their releases if the manga is licensed in an English-speaking country, releasing scanlations for free and/or directly asking readers to support the artist, it's not like they had the author's permission to do it in the first place.
Apex_old
I bear the sign and burden of guilt of those who dwell in China, or of the Han race in the territory of Osu.

It's going to take about 20 years or so until they fix this copyright lawsuit.
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