baldrace wrote:

看上面你i说用相同时间间隔不同间距的思路，打了下感觉不是很好。因为目前根本没有多少这样的图，似乎所谓的“上古图”有这种，毕竟现在玩家比较适应按着一个固定节奏去点note，突然打这种图自然感觉不是很好
太难的谱子我不会mod
就简单说说我的看法吧
00:03:140 (1,2,3) - 这是185BPM的1/4跳，而且是note-note，我只能读成270的单点，BPM从185突然变成270多，我没有从BGM里面听出需要做这种强烈的变化的地方，的确BGM有这个三连音的时候你都是这么摆的，但是我觉得这不合曲。如果要读成连打，三角形加这个间距这个BPM真是恶俗
另外这个梗挺破坏谱面整体的难度平衡。。 如果你要看成单点，这不是270的单点，是370的单点。我想就连niko的手速370单点连戳5个就吃不消了吧，一般手速狗单戳这三个note也很难全部300，所以我说此梗只能看成185的三连。这个间距很恶俗我知道，这也是我想尝试rank这个梗的原因。至于破坏谱面整体难度平衡，一张谱面最难的部分决定着此图难度，所以你看到的谱子就是这个难度的级别了，也就是说其他梗都比这个简单
00:03:626 (3,4) - 如果是我，我会拉开这两个物件的间距，一方面这是slider-slider，另一方面4有一个较前面那个三连音突出的上扬的音，所以这里放1/4跳，会配合音乐和0.75的SV产生一种急跳后急停的感觉。由于00:03:302 (3) - 是个1/1滑条，sv也不高，所以觉得没必要分太开。至于急跳后停的说法，是对于能轻松接上前面三连的人而言的，一般player会集中注意在前面的三连，所以我觉得之后接的跳不能太大
01:04:599 (1,2) - 这种的可以看看泡泡翻译的那个flow帖子，这大概是椭圆，不过你这样用的3/4条，由于1/4跳，并且1.5SV，拉前一个滑条没拉到底就会看到下一个物件的圈快缩完，这时玩家会下意识去点下一个滑条的头，移动轨迹会强行变成直线，很容易断尾
01:11:410 (1,2,3,4,5) - 这个五角星的感觉也挺微妙。
不知道是不是我双刀的读图问题，这几个滑条基本都断尾 作为单双我表示这些滑条我一个键就能完全不断尾。

insane
00:29:410跟鼓这里漏音，跟vocal00:29:572这里漏音 很轻，可以无视
后面好像都是这样，不知道什么想法。。很蛋疼的其实 嗷
00:54:707 (1) - 虽然你nc了。。但是还是不建议这么摆，间距这么小的空拍读起来不舒服 that's what i want
00:56:815 (3,4,5,6,7) - 后面三个建议NC、nope
02:10:112 (7) - 为何是在这里。。不是在x176 y168吗，更好看，如果stack前面那没啥必要。。 no but changed
02:14:329 (5,6,7,8) - 这也是，相同地方都是，没有滑条什么缓冲容易读错的 不能多书
02:35:410 (1) - 没叠好 fixed
暂时先看到这里以后补;w;
咦你怎么先回了，我要去弄一下牙齿 我也漏看了sry

Hard
00:34:923 漏音了这里是跟鼓的吧 hard跟的是vocal
02:25:356 (8) - 这个相当坑爹最好ctrl g nope，ctrl g会unrankble

pieguy1372 wrote:

hi

[HW'']
good diff but I can't read it at all even tho it seems readable lol yes, i think this diff is just for pros lol
00:21:464 (1,2,3,4) - I always miss this cause 00:21:464 (1,2) - is 1/2 but it has the same spacing as the 1/4s, mb change it? there's lots of patterns like this in this map. as i said before, i've mapped this diff in "same ds with different ts" style. that means u need to know what the songs' rhythem really is rather than just click notes when time floating in reading. mb it appeared in old maps or even eliminated patterns, but i think it's just fine when players have played this diff for about 3pc.
01:11:248 (6) - stack on (4)? plays way better IMO o.o nope, i think this is just a tiny pattern.
01:21:788 (1) - add finish on start to match cymbal nope. i've thought about this and eventually didn't add finish here, for song's low volume hardly caught by players with that cymbal sound here, and if i add finish hs it feels a bit noisy. so reject, still thx a lot anyway
01:22:599 (3,4,5) - stack (4) on 01:21:140 (3) - seems to make more sense ok, fixed and arranged ds
01:43:193 (1) - blanket can be improved a bit imo, mb this? http://puu.sh/4ftgg.jpg ok, why not? fixed, thx a lot

SPOILER

329,97,103193,6,0,B|245:157|245:157|246:178|241:200|231:215|218:229|199:240|176:243|151:237,1,245

01:53:896 (7,8) - ctrl+G plays way better for me cause it keeps the same pattern as before. mb it's just me tho nope, this is just a pattern.
02:09:788 (6) - whistle on start too? nope, but remove the whistle at the head of 00:57:140 (6) - as well
02:11:734 (7) - whistle on start like before, also add whistle at 02:12:221 (9) - fixed, thx a lot! D:
02:34:437 (5) - add finish same idea as before as i said before as well, still a good idea thou, reject
just this cause I have to go for now LOL, I'll be back tomorrow with the rest 0,0

amazing map and cute song =w= so I'll leave star for now www
no kds if you prefer to wait for next post oh i've gave ur kd... that means u won't finish this mod? D:

pieguy1372 wrote:

[Insane]
01:09:950 (3) - add clap like in 2nd kiai? good, fixed
02:27:950 (1) - add clap like before no but removed the 1st kiai's one's clap, thx a lot
02:41:410 (4) - x: 160 y: 216 for perfect diamond fixed

[Hard]
00:13:680 (3) - add claps like in higher diffs? nope, i just want different hs style in dfferent diffs, thx anyway :3
00:18:220 (3) - ^
02:38:977 (3) - same as before
02:43:518 (3) - ^

that's it I think
no kds
good luck

Mako Sakata wrote:

Hi M4M from my queue
Sorry late, a bit busy latelythat's alright :3

[General]
Nothing.

[Flask's Noraml]
Nothing.

[Hard]
00:07:356 (5,1) - A bit tricky, I almost didn't see there was a slider hmm... it maybe a problem, but i think it's fine to playing. let's see if other modder mentioned this, thx for ur suggestion~
02:08:491 (11) - Make this slider like this

SPOILER

it's neater imo fixed
02:10:437 (1) - Same as above fixed

[Insane]
00:29:572 - 00:31:842 - 00:34:113 - 00:36:383 - 00:38:653 - 00:40:923 - 00:43:194 - Do you miss a circle here or on purpose? sounds very odd for me yes it's on purpose, and that's odd for lots of people, but i insist this coz it just follow the drumbeat.
01:42:221 - 01:44:491 - 01:46:761 - 01:49:031 - 01:51:302 - 01:53:572 - 01:55:842 - Same as above
02:39:950 (1,2) - This overlap looks weird, why not move this slider 02:40:599 (2) - to x:224 y:264 like this hmm, i just regard this as a pattern, maybe it's weird but some kind of fun maybe :3

SPOILER

[HW"]
Nothing.

--
That's all, some overlap looks weird and a bit confused while play your map, but it still fun to play anyway~ i do map a weird map, and it's exactly why it's funny imo :3
Good luck
thx for modding~

Awaken wrote:

好奇葩的曲子

[HW]
00:21:950 (2,3,4) - 你为何这么鬼畜 建议改成小间距 all nope
02:39:463 (7,8,9) - ^
00:23:248 (9,10,11) - ^
02:47:247 (2,3,4) - ^
02:48:545 (9,10,11) - ^
02:53:085 (3,4,5,1,2,3) - ^
00:23:248 (9) - 也许可以NC？ 这里以及这种地方我考虑过很久，还是不nc了
00:35:085 (1) - 略丑 建议和2的滑条轨迹一样 稍微调整了下形状
00:39:626 (1) - 这个可以穿过9和10 nope
00:49:031 (1,1,2,1,1) - 略难读啊..可能是我太弱 不难读
00:53:572 (1,1,2,1) - ^
01:17:572 (6) - 可以移到x328y224 nope
02:32:491 (5,6,7,8) - 试试改成顺时针的四方 nope but arranged ds
02:44:004 (3,4,5) - 这排列略屌 ...

[Insane]
如果后面已经有一个最高难度的话建议这个难度AR-1 nope
主歌这节奏很容易一开始很容易误判啊[思考 坑1pc而已，不是不能打

[Hard]
02:25:356 (8) - 折一次比较好吧.. 我坚持两次
01:12:707 (8) - ^ ^
01:21:788 (9) - 可以NC nope
01:43:842 (6) - ^ ^
01:53:571 (8) - ^ ^
02:08:815 (2) - 试试移到x232y72 ^
02:11:086 (2) - ^ x224y312 ^

That's all
Good Luck

baldrace wrote:

F酱我感觉你这个normal不怎么好啊。。
一开始和倒数第二段我感觉还是跟那个是琴还是喇叭什么的音比较好，像最后一段一样

Zweib wrote:

补射两颗._.

-RIKKA- wrote:

Hi from M4M ~

I mod Insane & HW''.

HW''

you should think about this map's spacing.
I recommend that I repair it. hmm, it's just like this imo
this time, I mod about NC.

・00:05:329 (9) - NC all nope... maybe just some kind of nc style...
・00:05:572 (2) - remove NC
・00:07:356 (8) - NC
・00:07:842 (1) - remove NC
・00:08:491 (6) - NC
・00:10:113 (1) - remove NC
・00:12:059 (7) - NC
・00:16:923 (1) - remove NC
・00:17:167 (8) - NC
・00:18:221 (1) - remove NC
・00:18:707 (8) - NC
・00:19:194 (1) - remove nC
・00:21:140 (7) - NC
・00:21:464 (1) - remove NC
・00:26:004 (1) - ^
・00:26:248 (8) - NC
・00:27:302 (1) - remove NC
・00:27:788 (8) - NC
・00:28:275 (1) - remove NC
・00:32:491 (1) - ^
・00:37:031 (1) - ^
・00:40:923 (5) - NC
・00:41:572 (1) - remove NC
・00:46:113 (1) - ^
・00:49:356 (1) - ^
・00:49:842 (1) - ^
・00:50:167 (1) - ^
・00:53:897 (1) - ^
・00:54:383 (1) - ^
・00:54:708 (1) - ^
・01:04:275 (1) - ^
・01:13:680 (1) - ^

・01:40:923　~ 　⇒　 ( like 00:01:032 (1) ~ 01:22:761 (5) )

Insane

・00:05:329 (8) - spacing too near this repeating slider is start from a blue line, so i set it like this and i think it's fine
・00:31:842 (x) - add note? all nope
・00:36:383 (x) - ^ ?
・00:40:923 (x) - ^ ?
・01:44:491 (x) - ^ ?
・01:49:031 (x) - ^ ?
・01:53:572 (x) - ^ ?
・00:54:707 (1) - this note repeat on 00:54:382 (10) uh... i can't catch ur mind...
・01:02:977 (4) - spacing too near like what i said maybe that's some kind of style...

Nice map 0,0

Okay, mod finished! thou reject all... thx for modding anyway :3

luxoDeh wrote:

Hi! M4M from my queue!

HARD

00:21:140 (4,1) - try to make them not touch why?
00:36:383 (7,8) - I don't know if this ir really well intuitive. I testplayed it and I didn't expect the jump here, this because the distance between 00:35:734 (6,7) - is very similar to the distance between 00:36:383 (7,8) - so I think that or you increase the sitance of 00:35:734 (6,7) - or you reduce the distance of 00:36:383 (7,8) - fixed, changed to an other pattern
00:49:031 (6,7) - stack perfectly fixed
02:36:707 (3,4) - ^ hmm, this would be a big work if i want to perfect it, so i think this is just fine

INSANE

00:29:572 - add a note here
00:31:842 - ^
00:34:113 - ^ in all this part: from 00:29:572 - to 00:46:437 - I feel like there are some missing notes I think you should add. for example taking 00:34:113 -: what you did after in this part: 00:34:275 (1,2,3,4,5) - is following the vocal, so, since the vocal start at 00:34:113 - you should add a note here, or it won't be much intuitive to hit the next one... this is an insane diff but I think you should always take care of these things. nope. i just wanna follow different thing in different diff, here i follow drum beat
01:06:869 (5) - delete the clap at the beginning? no, why?

HW"

00:21:140 (4) - add a clap? nope, that's a part of hs style in this diff
good diff, I couldn't find other things. ok

that's all, good map! and GL for rank! thx for modding!

Jemmmmy wrote:

HARD
00:21:464 (1) - 跟00:20:491 (3,4) - 隔开一条缝 我觉得现在这样也没什么问题
00:35:085 (5,6) - 分开点或者头重合 nope，why？
01:12:707 (8) - 减少一个折返 ^
02:25:356 (8) - ^ ^
01:51:950 (5,6,7) - 最好能空出一条缝 233其实这样没什么问题的说
02:31:679 (1) - no but arranged ds

INSANE
00:05:329 (8) - nc nope, 我想让nc统一
00:05:572 (1) - 取消nc
00:29:572 - 加个note 后面挺多的，，，空拍感觉不太好 nope i insist this
00:54:382 (10,1) - 重叠或给点距离。^

HW
00:42:545 (4) - nc 重新整理了一下此图的nc
00:43:194 (7) - ^
02:48:058 (7) - ^
02:54:221 (4) - ^


insane的遮挡，Hw的三连略反人类。。OVQ
加油啦

Playing wrote:

HW''
00:16:923 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 感觉改成滑条更好些 换了个梗

Insane
01:10:923 (6,7,8,1) - 这里的间距变大的有点突然~ 同上

另外，两个难度的KiaiTime都很喜欢,支持

EmingK wrote:

HW早~ 好早OVQ

This post is generated by EK's osu modpost generator.

Red=unrankable issue
Purple=Emphasis suggestion
Black=Suggestion
Gray=Feel free to ignore

[HW'']
间距坑坑坑坑坑 哭瞎，逆大流者果然是作死的节奏

我尽力了..

不是吧。。。目前tester只要rank上1000起码能打个B的说，你一定是欺负我www
00:22:275 (5) - 往右弯？ no，我只是想让它对着6
00:47:734 (3) - 这个可以包得更好些 fixed
00:52:275 (3) - ^ 稍微改了下
00:59:086 (7) - x216 y112 no，why？？
01:22:680 (4,5) - 互换位置 其实都行，不过我比较喜欢现在这样

[Insane]
神排列。。 233333无法言喻此刻感受
02:21:302 (10,1) - 差一点儿叠好 哎，这个其实3个滑条都是同一个复制来的，但最后首尾还是没法完全重叠，唔，但也不太想单独调整形状，所以就这样吧

[Hard]
00:12:059 (4) - 可以稍微再调弯一些._. 稍微调了一下

SPOILER

340,288,12059,2,0,P|344:330|337:366,1,70,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:

01:43:193 (5) - 稍微调整一些包好._. fixed

[F酱]
nice ._.

QAQ神图看不懂 再次哭瞎233 OVQ

wonders wrote:

hi~

拖延了好一阵orz
[HW'']
难度这么高照常理不会让你过的。。。常理多无聊。。。
四分拍的三角跳flow都重新检查下，去掉一些遮挡梗。感觉都挺科学，倒是蓝线的三个单点不知道读图有没有问题

[insane]
00:01:680 稍微往下摆一点 为啥。。。？
00:04:275 叠在尾部不好看 fixed
00:08:491 这个遮挡应该算unrank吧 怎么可能。。。
00:13:194 效果不如 ctrl+g再拉远一点 故意这么摆的
00:20:491 和前面一个slider靠太近了 123是三角形
00:25:680 ctrl+g 嗯，这个不错，fixed
00:27:302 换成两个note，这一段收尾一下 唔，还是就这样吧
00:29:572 一开始正常间距比较好，下同 我倒是觉得先让玩家有个准备比较好，再观望一下
00:45:788 4,5摆开点好了 我把23摆开了点
00:57:140 NC 整张图的nc都调整了一下
00:58:437 NC
01:05:086 x:128 y:32 nope
01:10:923 NC
吐槽一下，你又摆high了，要压难度啊 还不够压吗，很简单啊这个图

[hard]
00:07:356 unrank的吧 所有的slider带回转箭头绝对不能有任何遮挡，切记。下同 这个箭头哪里被遮挡了，此图没有任何回转箭头被遮挡，如果有请指出
其他问题不大

ts8zs wrote:

大触作图 毫无人性._. 我不是人233
[HW"]
00:31:842 (5,6) - 离远一点吧(截图win8不知道上传到哪里了)._. fixed，放在了203,85
02:44:004 (1,2,3) - 12换一下？不了，换了的话123的flow感觉和后面的白1就靠的太近了
感觉最近mod水平降低了._. 你状态不在吧大概，而且还让你摸这么蠢的图
[Insane]
01:02:977 (1) - Ctrl+G nope...
和hw完全一个级别的._. 这个简单多了，基本上都能fc
[Hard]
._.
clap听起来有点突兀 是么。。。
01:50:004 (1,2,3) - 别重叠啊._. fixed，调整了这一整段的ds
01:52:275 (6) - ……你是认真的么……算了不要在意细节了._. 稍微调了一下，应该不是什么大问题吧

SB不错._. 随便做做

DnJeiser wrote:

General
volume more i think the song it self is quiet so i used the silence hs, and i don't think it's a good idea to change the song's volume for it's from original disc

Hard
Many of the compounds sliders. Me hate. 0.0
01:01:680 (5,1,2) - difficult not quite
01:09:140 (7) - rotate and reduce the rate of what??
01:57:302 (7,8) - this bad pause hmmm, it's just like this
02:25:356 (8) - remove Arrow nope, but i'll consider to change it, let's see if other modders mention this
02:31:842 (2) - too low that's not a problem imo
02:40:599 (2,3,4,5,1) - difficult not quite to most players playing this diff thou

Azmato wrote:

[Hard]

00:31:194 (6) - NC redo all nc issues
00:35:085 (5) - ^
00:40:275 (7) - ^
...
01:17:248 (1) - ^
01:20:491 (1) - ^
01:43:842 (6) - ^
...
02:11:410 (3) - I think this part dosen't need jump just do a symm with 02:08:815 (2,3) - :3
02:33:139 (7) - NC

[Insane]

00:36:059 (9) - http://puu.sh/4GsV9.jpg hmm, i just miss the beat on purpose, thou ur suggestion is good as well, i want to keep mine. thx anyway


[HW]


I CAN'T FIND ERROR... omglol


[Generall]
HW,INSANE,HARD need to reduce NC... too long circle number
fixed most of ur mods


Sorry for my poor modding... but I can't find error anything.. that's ok, ur nc mods reminds me some important things :3

Natsu wrote:

HI~ Hollow Wings M4M from my queue

General:

1. Unused Image Files:
   sb\lyrics\lyric11-4.png fixed
   sb\lyrics\lyric15-1.png ^, omg how did u find this! 0.0

Insane:

1. HP 7 for better diff spread hmm? i think hw'' diff is more difficult to play with
2. 00:02:167 well I wiil told yo this im not a fan of extended sliders they dont fit with the music but is just my opinion. ok, i just do this in my own way
3. 00:02:167 (3,4) - stack this perfect fixed
4. 00:04:437 (6) - turn off grid snap and try to make it more curved actually look kinda forced imo hmm but i do this slider without gs opening... and i think this is just fine 0.0
5. 00:12:221 remove the clap sound really bad no fixed but changed the claps' set
6. 00:25:518 (6,7) - not a big fan of this unexpected jump I really preffer if you use the previous distance for flow and playability ok, changed to anther pattern
7. 00:31:194 (7) - this need new combo to make the jumps readables fixed, and same notes after this, thx a lot!
8. 00:40:923 (1,2,3,4) - they four fit realy nice the vocals but they 00:41:572 (5,6) - dont so I suggest you to convert this 00:41:572 (5,6) - in a slider sound alot better with the music hmm... all patterns like here r done like this, and i think this won't be a problem even with 1234 following the vocal
9. 00:50:329 (3,4,5,6) - I dont like how this straight line play try to make it a little curved so the cursor move natural when you hit they imo nope... i do this on purpose 0,0
10. 00:59:815 (9,11) - that two beats are overmaped I suggest you to remove they :l hmm, then maybe my map is overmapped everywhere... thou u r right, so i'll keep them and let's see what others would say about this
11. 01:10:437 (5,1) - reduce the distance here 3.0 is kinda x_X combo breaker hue no this won't cause a combo break but easy to miss the slider's end's combo only
12. 01:22:761 this have to be NC ok~
13. 01:42:221 (1,2) - Try another pattern here the actually is really confuse what is the head and what is the tail of the slider? x_x hmm, but i think this is acceptable with fun :3
14. 01:46:761 (1,2) - same as above ^
15. 01:51:302 (1,2) - ^ and alot of symilars ones ^
16. 02:19:517 (5) - NC will fit alot here since for the stanza change and for he slider combo pattern alright fixed~ and same parts in this diff as well :3
17. 02:20:815 (9,10,1) - turn off gridsnap and stack they perfect fixed

Hard:

1. AR 7 HP 6 OD 6 for better diff spread actually the jump from normal to hard is kinda big x_x ar7 is more difficult than ar8 to read this map, and hp5 is for lowing down the dfficult
2. 00:07:031 (4,5,1) - this is not rankable the overlap is not readable also the repeat slider is hard to notice try to make this clean alright fixed
3. 00:15:950 (3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - im not a fan of this kind of patterns it make the map harder to read x_x no it's not hard to read to most players
4. 00:13:680 (3,4) - try to use atleast 1.20 distance fixed all patterns like this
5. 00:18:220 (3,4) - same as above ^ is kinda akward play this at 0.75 after the previous jumps x_X sry for this x_X
6. 00:21:464 (1,2,3) - move all the pattern atleast 1 grid up so previous slider dont touch it fixed
7. 00:19:194 this dont fit the music properly 00:19:518 this down beats should be mapped 00:16:923 (1,2) - symilar case and more hmm, i just follow the electric melody here, not drum beats
8. 00:22:761 (3) - previous slider almost cover this try to move it to other place hmm i think it troubles nothing
9. 00:44:815 this should be mapped add atleast a circle or 1/2 slider nope, all objs follow the vocal here, i don't want to make a map which has full of white lines set by objs
10. 00:49:031 (1,2) - turn off grid snap and stack this perfect fixed
11. 01:01:680 this double repeat dont play nice and is almost unreadable in first try cuz the others repeat generaly got just 1 repeat so I suggest you to add 1 repeat and a circle will be better for the gameplay alright, some modder mentioned this before, i'll fix this
12. 01:04:275 maybe add new combo here to make the stream more readable? ok fixed
13. 01:41:572 (2,3) - Use a properly distance here plz is almost unreadable imo i think this is just fine
14. 01:57:788 NC to make the antijump more readable? hmm? what??
15. 02:16:923 symilar case to 01:04:275 fixed
16. 02:18:544 (3,5) - stack this perfect fixed
17. 02:50:328 (3,4,5,1) - uh add atleats 0.10 or more distance axtually is kinda hard to play when I was testing I was thinking was a 1/4 but is 1/2 x_X i've considered this as well, hmmm, ok, i'll reverse 3 and 5 to change this pattern
18. 02:59:896 is kinda hard to see this repeat try to move it a little up? fixed

GL with this

Fycho wrote:

Yo~\o,o
我的双kd，这就是delay的下场。。吗 这就是delay的下场。。 吗

Black: Suggestions
Blue: Importance.You might consider
Red:Unrank issues. You Must Fix

[General]
滑条静音弄了吗，我也没重下 弄了嗯

[HW’’]

可以多跟点鼓点啊，有些段纯跟人声不舒服例如00:46:437 (1,2,3) –
本身7/4打起来节奏就难抓了..这样undermap柑橘不好 初衷是因为排列已经很难了，undermap吗我倒是没这个概念，只是想让玩家有个休息的地方，效果我也不知道怎么样，因为觉得放太多滑条和单点会和之前之后的超大ds搞混，所以干脆就弄简单点
间距上好坑，读图也难 只是一个尝试，并且想坚持到底

• 00:01:032 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) –这边排的感觉有点乱，我也想不到什么好排列，最好改改干净 很乱吗orz
  00:09:788 (1,2,3) –真鬼畜 做此图的动力来源
  00:12:383 (1) –大跳之后要来个空拍才爽，试这个节奏http://puu.sh/4H8Yo.jpg， “大跳之后要来个空拍才爽”这句我记住了，多谢！你这个节奏确实不错，不过这个节奏我觉得用在这里不太好和之后的大跳三连排版，更重要的原因是这个大跳本身就有点莫名，如果再接单点徒增难度，所以我觉得现在这样也不错。不过以后我多多注意OVO00:16:923 (1) -^
  00:18:545 –不跟鼓？ fixed，本来确实不太想跟，不过既然你说了那就跟吧，还有02:44:167 (3) - 也改了一下
  00:18:707 (1,2,3) –这里可以放串子啊，七连 nope，这图压根不打算放串，你看这图一个串都没，三连全都是三角233
  03:11:248 (7) –别stack下去，放远点弄个跳 好

[Insane]

• 
  00:47:896 (4,5) – 节奏建议http://puu.sh/4H9kr.jpg 你为何这么屌。。。虽然我这么摆只是为了坑hd玩家而已，不过节奏其实我也只是去跟的鼓，嗯，先就这样吧
  01:03:464 (2) –长滑条漏音了 fixed
  01:08:653 (10,1) –略乱啊，间距大点 fixed
  01:17:734 (12,1) –同样间距大点，01:18:221 –这里是重音，小间距打了也不舒服 “重音间距小了打着不舒服”我也记住了，至于此处，由于之前的滑条形状太过奇葩，我想很多人打这个滑条的时候光标在上面会顿一顿，所以下一个滑条不太想放太远。。。这里就先这样，以后我多注意0.0
  01:48:707 (9) –漏音啊，很不舒服，故意的话就算了吧我也看不懂233 这里漏音？这个有问题吗？如果是指01:49:031的话那么我只想说我不太想做完全塞满的图，包括完全塞满长白线，为什么长白线的beat不能miss？这里打起来感觉又没啥问题啊？难道这也是逆大流的一种吗？orz
  02:40:599 (2,3,4,5,6) –看起来不neat分开点 故意的，话说不neat是啥。。。

[hard]

• 
  00:27:626 –add note，突然来个空拍除了坑人感觉没什么作用了，打着不爽 nope，这也坑？什么音都没听到，为了塞满好打而不空拍吗。。。感觉不科学
  00:46:437 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) –好难抓，00:47:086 (2,3) – 这两个放远点啊，那么近，00:47:572 (4) –这里加个nc也好，根本读不了。2和4放了nc，ds调远了，hard根本不打，所以也根本不会做orz
  00:59:734 – add note，undermap无意义 嗯。。。这里其实个人认为不加也无所谓不过还是改了吧，无意义什么的绝对是没有的事，undermap无意义和overmap不被接受的界限变得越来越模糊，对此我不得不感到困扰
  01:01:680 (5) –双折返巨坑无比，本身AR8，这里是减速段，突然折一下1PC miss. 这个改掉了
  01:04:275 (6) – add NC fixed，nc都调整了一下，现在似乎流行频繁nc来划分梗。。。
  01:12:707 (8) –巨坑 改成了折返一次+一个note，后同
  01:17:248 (5,6,7) –overlap得不好看 整段都改了
  01:54:545 (1,2,3,4,5) –排排完美？stack什么的，显得乱 整段stack都调整好了，不可避免的出现了overlap，只能忽略
  02:11:734 (5) –我想到o~chin了 把tama往右移了点
  02:33:139 (7) –nc下，难读 已fixed

good luck~

sjoy wrote:

M4M
[Hard]
00:09:788 (5,6,7) - 可以加上 DRUM音效 为了统一我就不加了，音效方面其实觉得自己还是挺薄弱的
00:34:923加一个NOTE? nope。。。柑橘没意义。。。这难道就是传说中的undermap么噗
00:49:518 (2) - 没遮好 fixed
00:54:059 (2) - ^ fixed
01:22:275 (4) -尾巴 建议叠到 01:21:140 (2) - 的尾巴 顺便调整3的位置 好的
01:57:302 (2) - 没遮好 fixed
02:06:707 (2) - ^ fixed
02:12:221 (6,7) - ^ fixed
HD要哭了 你们都是怎么发现没有完美stack的，这都什么神棍眼力。。。
[Insane]
建议改名Lunatic 噗。。。这还没到lun的水准柑橘
00:02:815 (4) - 没遮好 fixed
00:08:491 (3,4,5) - 从上到下不是挺好的么 有道理，我俗了，fixed
00:09:788 (7,8,9,10) - 可以加上 DRUM音效 为统一就不改了
00:36:059 (3) - 节奏有些奇怪 建议2个1/2 或者 1个1/2+2 note 只是想空根长白线而已orz，我再观望一下
00:54:221 (9,10) - 叠到 00:52:437 (4,6) - 的地方？不了，那样ds会很难弄
00:59:572 (7) - 没遮好 fixed
01:22:599 (7,8,1) - 我觉得用REPEAT SLIDER比较好 三连也不错，主要是之前都是滑条啊单点什么的，想丰富一下0.0
01:48:707 (3) - 建议2个1/2 或者 1个1/2+2 note 同之前说的
02:10:112 (3) - 感觉可以变成滑条 02:08:815 (2) - ctrl+h+j 这里倒没啥问题，就这样吧
02:55:356 (4) - 没遮好 神棍眼力你好，all fixed。。。不过我想说的是我保存了以后再进去又变回原样了，这是肿么回事，不信你试试看-。=
02:57:626 (7) - ^
03:01:031 (3) - ^
03:02:004 (7) - ^
03:04:437 (4) - ^
03:06:707 (7) - ^
03:11:248 (7) - ^
HD哭惨了 同哭瞎，不过遮挡不完美才能不激活auto stack系统，那样才有遮挡的意义的说233
[HW'']
遮挡问题不叙述了
建议看右上角的 prev 0.00表示完美遮挡 叙述下吧，我有些遮挡是无能为力的啊orz
00:26:653 (3) - 我建议尾巴叠到00:26:004 (1) - 头 不了，这断我改了无数次，如果没有必要改，或者因为读图的问题必须改的话，我想这段就保持这样吧
00:43:194 (7) - NC nope，之前之后都是这个combo节奏，柑橘没必要
01:03:464 (6) - 建议拆成单点比较有打击感 nope，这里打击感倒并没有太重要，毕竟跟的是vocal
01:16:923 (4,5) - 分别ctrl+g? nope，现在这样没问题
01:17:247 (5) - NC? nope，why？
02:04:437 加个NOTE 1的尾巴 不了，统一节奏下，总之柑橘也没什么必要
02:11:410 (5,6) - 强烈建议CTRL+G 强烈建议不改，ctrl+g不但flow全毁难度也变大了。。。
02:47:328 (3,4) - ctrl+g? nope，这种三连很依赖段落感，弄成钝角反而增加难度
我觉得3连分太开了
没有让人感觉是3连的感觉 这是一个尝试，所以这图我单点真是绞尽脑汁想要和连打在读图上区分，可惜好像还是做得不够好
我觉得间距相切比较适宜 相切就没意思了
图和SB很有想法 射个星好了 多谢星星

Flower wrote:

m4m

[General]
说实话我打这图的时候打着打着心情就不好了只好去吃奥利奥。 我果然应该去吃点屎
总结一下。整个图的基调是几乎完全不使用flow，透露着相当的为难而难的感觉，在最高难度下尤其明显。本来不想说的我还是说说吧……图是能rank的，wonders又在悲观主义了。 能rank当然最好。。。不过刚才大致看了一下你的mod发现又涨了很多姿势，感觉自己果然能力还是太欠缺，所以能修我就再好好修一下

[Hitsounds]
这个clap请你吃电视。找个好玩一点的吧，比如说用打响指的看看。http://puu.sh/4IuwN.wav 233我倒是觉得这个clap没啥问题的说。。。听了你的这个感觉略显微妙。。。不过嘛听着也确实蛮好玩的，所以就换成你那个吧0.0
24白线用drum sample + soft addition效果大概会比较好，原曲里就有鼓 这hs玩法还真是没用过，待会儿我好好试试 不过24白线都要加的话那岂不是要累死？orz

[Insane]
00:08:167 (2) - 这个打了无数次都没看出是3/4。不如改成1/2，本来这里3/4就有点奇怪。或者这样，看你喜欢。好的，用了你的排列，不过稍有不同

SPOILER

00:09:788 (7,8,9,10) - 改成drum sample，还有00:09:626 - 这里。之后的很多五连以此类推都改成drum sample+soft addition。还有这种玩法，改了，不过也不知道有没有改全，而且感觉听上去差别不大的说orz
00:13:194 (4) - 折返箭头被00:12:221 (5) - 挡住了部分，最好考虑一下，简单的方法是ctrl+g或者移动 这个不构成遮挡吧orz，似乎没必要改？
00:23:572 - 加个note？ 为了统一就这样吧orz
00:28:113 (3,1) - 这个间距太远了，或者说只是我弱，把00:27:788 (1,2,3) - 移动到x:132 y:191会好一些 改了，不过我把它们移到了108,158
00:37:031 (3,4) - 我觉得这个也比较吃食，如图所示

SPOILER

3和4的flow很差，所以打着会很蛋疼。下面是建议：

SPOILER

flow稍微好一点，但是我还是建议再想想别的排列。 改了，没改排列因为觉得嘛就这样吧，我就单独把3的尾巴拖到了145,220. 因为摆短滑条的时候由于个人playing的习惯全都是当单点来摆的，以后我多注意
00:44:167 (6,7,8,9) - 这个一直连续的单点让人喘不过气，或许你会试试这个：（删掉8） 哎，这里很犹豫呢。。。你这样改也很好但是我觉得改了也没啥问题。。。容我再观摩一下。。。

SPOILER

00:55:356 (5) - 你知道我要说什么了。建议放到x:40, y:145，并且原地旋转180度 好的，不过其实短滑条当单点摆张力感觉很大，比如这个滑条就算放在最右下角我也觉得自己打的时候不会出100.。。不过嘛果然还是顺手点的比较好
01:13:356 (1,2) - 这个我不知道怎么改更好……但是这个也是很吃食的没flow。这边由于藏在串后面基本上糊成一团，或许你会考虑把2叠在1的下面。 唔，这里我倒觉得没什么问题。flow的话其实感觉也挺顺手的，就是1被挡住了而已，nc了一下应该不会看不清楚
01:42:221 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 及类似梗：第一次几乎全都会看成1/4。由于这个不是最高难度，鉴于可读性最好考虑下要不要分开。 之前也有modder提到这个问题，嗯，果然对读图影响很大，那么我就稍微分开点好了，所有的类似梗都改了2的位置
01:48:707 (3) - 拆成1/1+一个note会比较好 好吧前面也有人这么建议，改了，00:36:059 (3) - 也改了
01:49:679 (3,4) - 这个遮挡也是十分的服气 试试这样 跪服，麻麻我又学到新梗了

SPOILER

02:01:194 (6) - 叠在02:01:356 (1) - 的上面 这里为了统一就不改了，专注坑hd。不过想到了你说的毁灭flow的排列，我把黄色的1和2的折返滑条分别反向，那样似乎就好得多，嗯
02:11:086 (2) - whislte fixed and 00:58:437 (2) - as well
02:11:734 (6,8) - 由于auto stack，8会向左下偏移 建议手动stack 手动stack是啥orz，另外修正的应该是上面的objs也就是说偏移的应该是6，而且方向是左上才对。既然如此8后面的串应该没什么影响。至于6偏移的话感觉就是对之后串的读图稍有影响吧，看起来不是大问题
02:16:113 (2,3,4,5,6) - 这个实在是太吃食了 简直不想多书 233这里确实放的随意了点，我换个梗
02:27:950 (1,2,3,4) - 这个跳也是十分的自信 还不如把4放到x:253 y:247 改了，和你说的稍有不同
03:02:167 (8,9,1) - 这个相当不好读 不如把03:02:491 (9,1) - 移出来 好的，都放在了252,344
03:03:788 (3) - 缩短1/4的感觉更好 虽然意义不明不过还是改了吧
03:09:788 (2) - 这个3/4也是十分服气 orz叠到2尾巴下面去了

[HW]
勉强能pass，但是我实在是不喜欢，我大概说一下
首先是这个低SV下的跳，要说一下，SV一低就有凝滞感，你放跳打着就不爽。很多跳放起来都太过随意，打着就硌碜。比方说00:12:059 (4,5) - ，给人的感觉就是“我想坑人，那就当一回鼻孔哥放个对角跳吧”，然后打着不爽。本来只有两个单点的跳也不难，你目的也没达到，但就是不爽。哎。。。不爽吗。。。其实我的本意就是要打到这种平稳移动的flow夹杂大跳的说。。。难道这个做图理念也跟这图里的大跳三连是逆大流的东西吗orz，以后我再研究研究。。。
然后这个SV下面一些3/4都当1/2来放打着就狂出100，而且为了300停下来的话也是狂断flow，而且你这些部分本来也不比Insane难。这么摆的理由跟上面那段话类似。。。3/4下的时候貌似就是为了不浪费音，停下来打后面接的note而断flow什么的倒是没怎么考虑，因为我playing的时候移动很硬，所以对flow放的比较松。以后我做图尽量尝试一下别的排列
00:28:275 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 这个你要坑人可以看看六兆年的Rin难度，第一个break后面跟你的梗类似。这里摆那种梗感觉有点怪，因为那边三个单点重点在第一个，这里重点在第三个，所以嘛就不改了。。。不过又学到新梗了嗯orz
00:42:545 (4,5,6) - 这个真是狂坑，不过反正你要坑人我就不说啥了。 狂坑么？orz
有很多地方折返箭头都遮挡在别的note下面，这个貌似是unrankable的。哪里？我都检查过了貌似没有？到底空几拍叠在折返上叠note才不算遮挡的说。。。我这里是至少1/1
03:02:491 (9,1,2,3,4,5,6) - 这个地方狂坑，我觉得是全曲最坑的地方，为什么最后要玩尾杀。233这里也坑，好吧，这里整块pattern全都改了一下。。。
打了下acc比Insane低2左右，基本都是被3/4和三连坑的，稍微顺溜一点的话也不会不爽了。 三连应该是不会去动了毕竟就是想这么做，3/4的话其实我觉得stack在尾上确实不是个好主意，但是图已经这样了那也没办法，以后我多考虑一下flow的问题

[Hard]
建议重做，因为Hard巨坑。也是一点flow都没有然后有很多Hard不该有的遮挡，建议看看popner的Hard。重做233，不该有的遮挡是啥orz
03:02:491 (6) - 这啥玩意 咦orz怎么了orzzz
kiai一定要加速的话也不要这么大，1.0到1.2有些捉弄人。
如果你做图一不小心就会做成这么坑那么建议AR-1来做，然后再调回来。唔。。。改成ar7了以后改掉了5，6个遮挡，看来我做图实在是缺乏经验，根本压不住难度orz


我觉得有必要多交流，记得捉到我的时候in game找我说这个图。 挖！多谢花花！OVQQQ
加油~ 一个reject的mod都没。。。神modder不能多书。。。哭瞎了