I feel less suspicious of LS now as I would think he would keep her around as an easily manipulated pawn if he were mafia (commence WIFOM here)
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BagelBob, if you're the doctor, who did you protect?
hmm interesting idea
I'm not the cop though
I'm not the cop though
Echo: can I get prods for LadySuburu, Pasonia, and Wojjan
24h has not yet passed ~Echo
rust, I protected LadySuburu
24h has not yet passed ~Echo
rust, I protected LadySuburu
I'm here.
Bagel: Any particular reason you chose me to protect?
Rereading a bit.
Bagel: Any particular reason you chose me to protect?
Rereading a bit.
Yeah, you're my buddy. And everyone looks like Scum.
Starting re-read 3 now.
Starting re-read 3 now.
Mmk, did a quick check on something I was thinking about.
I don't know if it's just me, but it feels like adam's been a lot less active this game. Looking through his posts, I see some seriousness, but little content overall. His posts are also not that frequent.
I'm not one who has played with him before, does anyone else feel like this is the case?
adam: Do you have a particular reason that you're not really posting as much? Lack of interest?
I'll do a full reread soon.
I don't know if it's just me, but it feels like adam's been a lot less active this game. Looking through his posts, I see some seriousness, but little content overall. His posts are also not that frequent.
I'm not one who has played with him before, does anyone else feel like this is the case?
adam: Do you have a particular reason that you're not really posting as much? Lack of interest?
I'll do a full reread soon.
And when I said re-read 3, I meant examine SFG's posts. Since she was the NK, it's important to figure out WHY she was NKed. Thus, her posts from the previous day need to be examined.
While reading, keep in mind 2 things
1. SFG was not voting to lynch strager
2. SFG was probably the 2nd most suspicious person after strager
I can come up with 3 reasons that SFG would be NKed.
1. SFG was right on the money. Pasonia or rust (her two main suspicions) are scum. Also including the possibility of adam, but early game and not so much later
2. The Scum wanted to find out who each other are. One posted to Kill: SFG to test if the other was SFG or Suburu (WIFOM argument as pointed out by adam prior)
3. Strager was a scum. Echo didn't tell the other that he was alone and he posted Kill: SFG expecting his "buddy" to either disagree or agree, but being surprised by the day.
All 3 of these are made because there was a short night.
Anyone, Questions, Comments, Alternatives?
While reading, keep in mind 2 things
1. SFG was not voting to lynch strager
2. SFG was probably the 2nd most suspicious person after strager
I can come up with 3 reasons that SFG would be NKed.
1. SFG was right on the money. Pasonia or rust (her two main suspicions) are scum. Also including the possibility of adam, but early game and not so much later
2. The Scum wanted to find out who each other are. One posted to Kill: SFG to test if the other was SFG or Suburu (WIFOM argument as pointed out by adam prior)
3. Strager was a scum. Echo didn't tell the other that he was alone and he posted Kill: SFG expecting his "buddy" to either disagree or agree, but being surprised by the day.
All 3 of these are made because there was a short night.
Anyone, Questions, Comments, Alternatives?
I told you that I take a different approach to each game Subi.
This game is quite different to a normal mafia game so I decided to play it quite differently, I will probably make more posts per day as the game goes on.
This game is quite different to a normal mafia game so I decided to play it quite differently, I will probably make more posts per day as the game goes on.
OK, re-read 3 has produced some things I want to look at.
This post bothers me. 0_o is speculating on the game set-up instead of scum-hunting, a supposed scum-tell, but it's really too early for that to mean much. However, he's making a case that Mafia are going to look like Townies. This is scummy because it gets people thinking that townies are really scum.
[quote="Pasonia":702ff]EDIT @ adam: I'm sorry I haven't voted in weeks. >.>Sorry for inactivity? Then later he says that he had planned to lurk this game. Those two don't seem to go together.
[quote="0_o":702ff]woah im on L-2 guys... watch where you're voting..
hey strager I haven't heard any claims against being mafia from you either.. :O
I'm not mafia
EDIT: also seems kinda fishy to me to put a "random" vote against someone who already has 2...
vote WojjanSelf-preservation is Scummy. Also, here 0_o says that putting someone at L-2 is "kinda fishy"
Which he himself did twice.
Pictures serve to distract people and generally hurt scum-hunting.
rust seems to have no problems putting someone at L-1.
[quote="Wojjan":702ff]I lost count, am I on L-1 yet?
I take it this game won't last long for me this way
Again, self-preservation is scummy.
More self-preservation
Adam in this post is asking other people to point fingers at each other. This isn't laziness, this is scummy.
Again, self-preservation
This post is very interesting. At the time, stragers vote was the one he received when he switched with SFG. I.E. he was NOT voting who he thought was scum. I think this gives credit to the "strager was a goon" theory.
Thoughts? Comments? Proverbial Expressions?
This post bothers me. 0_o is speculating on the game set-up instead of scum-hunting, a supposed scum-tell, but it's really too early for that to mean much. However, he's making a case that Mafia are going to look like Townies. This is scummy because it gets people thinking that townies are really scum.
[quote="Pasonia":702ff]EDIT @ adam: I'm sorry I haven't voted in weeks. >.>Sorry for inactivity? Then later he says that he had planned to lurk this game. Those two don't seem to go together.
[quote="0_o":702ff]woah im on L-2 guys... watch where you're voting..
hey strager I haven't heard any claims against being mafia from you either.. :O
I'm not mafia
EDIT: also seems kinda fishy to me to put a "random" vote against someone who already has 2...
vote WojjanSelf-preservation is Scummy. Also, here 0_o says that putting someone at L-2 is "kinda fishy"
Which he himself did twice.
Pictures serve to distract people and generally hurt scum-hunting.
rust seems to have no problems putting someone at L-1.
[quote="Wojjan":702ff]I lost count, am I on L-1 yet?
I take it this game won't last long for me this way
Again, self-preservation is scummy.More self-preservation
Adam in this post is asking other people to point fingers at each other. This isn't laziness, this is scummy.
Again, self-preservation
This post is very interesting. At the time, stragers vote was the one he received when he switched with SFG. I.E. he was NOT voting who he thought was scum. I think this gives credit to the "strager was a goon" theory.
adam has not done ANY scum-hunting and none of his posts has any quality.LS wrote:
SFG: 4, 4, 3
rust45: 4, 3, 3, 3
strager: 3, 3, 3
0_o: 3, 3
LS: 3
Wojjan: 3
adam: -
Pasonia: -
Thoughts? Comments? Proverbial Expressions?
OK I'll start with the response to the attacks on me, then look at everyone else in the next post (because I don't like giant posts 
)
I doubt posting a picture is going to hinder anyone's scum-finding process.
)I don't see what's wrong with that post really. Truth is, we are going to have to dig deeper to find mafia this game, so we are gonna have to look a little harder than previous games if we want to win.BagelBob wrote:
This post bothers me. 0_o is speculating on the game set-up instead of scum-hunting, a supposed scum-tell, but it's really too early for that to mean much. However, he's making a case that Mafia are going to look like Townies. This is scummy because it gets people thinking that townies are really scum.
Self-preservation is Scummy. Also, here 0_o says that putting someone at L-2 is "kinda fishy"I didn't say putting someone on L-2 is scummy, I said putting someone on L-2 by a supposed "random vote" is a little suspicious.
Which he himself did twice.
Pictures serve to distract people and generally hurt scum-hunting.Oh come on
I doubt posting a picture is going to hinder anyone's scum-finding process.more stuff about self-preservationOf course I was gonna try to keep myself from getting lynched, I am the only one who I am sure isn't mafia, and personally I think I can be useful for the town. I don't really see how not wanting to get lynched at RVS is scum tell
You misinterpret what I mean, what I was saying was that we should stop the silly votes and start getting serious about the game.BagelBob wrote:
Adam in this post is asking other people to point fingers at each other. This isn't laziness, this is scummy.
You seem to misinterpret on purpose too.
Sorry for inactivity? Then later he says that he had planned to lurk this game. Those two don't seem to go together.I think by not voting in weeks means that he hasn't placed a vote in a WW/mafia game for weeks (hence why he forgot to bold his vote)BagelBob wrote:
[quote="Pasonia":c0cb3]EDIT @ adam: I'm sorry I haven't voted in weeks. >.>
rust seems to have no problems putting someone at L-1.Well he did already explain that his behavior in the first half of that day was to "make things more interesting", and he is a newbie, but I'm not sure what to think myself.
[quote="Wojjan":c0cb3]I lost count, am I on L-1 yet?Again, self-preservation is scummy.Again, at RVS I don't see anything wrong with wanting to stick around. Though I don't really see this as self-preservation, but what do I know
I take it this game won't last long for me this way
Adam in this post is asking other people to point fingers at each other. This isn't laziness, this is scummy.I see this as an attempt to get people voting for who they actually think is mafia, as opposed to all the joke votes, tying votes, etc. that we've been doing up till then. I was actually gonna post that myself, before I saw that adam already did.
This post is very interesting. At the time, stragers vote was the one he received when he switched with SFG. I.E. he was NOT voting who he thought was scum. I think this gives credit to the "strager was a goon" theory.Possibly, but keep in mind that strager was the one who requested to switch votes, and that was still around the time where most of the votes were jokes. I'm still suspecting strager being mafia, I just don't know if this is good evidence for it or not.
adam has not done ANY scum-hunting and none of his posts has any quality.I'll let adam speak for himself on this one
As predicted, I was away for a while, due to massive amounts of visiting town halls.
BageBob claimed doctor. Yay, now we know. Thanks for making this harder for all of us, we're bound to lose you on N2. Unless of course you're a scum. I do think your theory is credible, but if I were scum, I would have seen this happen too, and theree's no solid proof yet you're the doctor, since you can freely say who you protected as long as that person is still alive.
't seems I missed that post on adam, and I checked it again. There's no possible way you can see this how Bagel did without looking for reasons to suspect him.
Pasonia, why are you even in? You're rarely here at all, and vote without reason. Maybe he sees no interesting things in the day phase since his time to shine is at night? Or is he just trying to lay low? I wou:ldn't have any clue.
BageBob claimed doctor. Yay, now we know. Thanks for making this harder for all of us, we're bound to lose you on N2. Unless of course you're a scum. I do think your theory is credible, but if I were scum, I would have seen this happen too, and theree's no solid proof yet you're the doctor, since you can freely say who you protected as long as that person is still alive.
- BagelBob: +0.5
't seems I missed that post on adam, and I checked it again. There's no possible way you can see this how Bagel did without looking for reasons to suspect him.
- Bagelbob: +1
- BagelBob: +0.5
SFG: 4, 4, 3Could this list be updated anytime soon, maybe at the end of D2? I would like to deduct some more theories from bandwagoning and votes, but I'm not really in place to make a list, since I tend to disappear some times in this period. Sorry for that too.
rust45: 4, 3, 3, 3
strager: 3, 3, 3
0_o: 3, 3
LS: 3
Wojjan: 3
adam: -
Pasonia: -
Pasonia, why are you even in? You're rarely here at all, and vote without reason. Maybe he sees no interesting things in the day phase since his time to shine is at night? Or is he just trying to lay low? I wou:ldn't have any clue.
- Pasonia: +0.5
Whoops, one more foot note
mod:I might be on the road for a time tomorrow. Could you maybe consider only prodding me in 48 hours when asked? thanks in advance.
mod:I might be on the road for a time tomorrow. Could you maybe consider only prodding me in 48 hours when asked? thanks in advance.
As Pasonia likes to put it, dead people don't talk. Read rules 5 and 6. You are not allowed to talk to anyone regarding the game in any way.
Ok, since you don't like long posts, I'll break it up and do a quad-post, just for you.
First thing first:
Can I please get a prod for Pasonia?
First thing first:
Can I please get a prod for Pasonia?
I believe it's unintentional, but this is a straw-man. The truth of the argument is not in question. The fact is that the argument is in support of the scum, rather than the town.0_o wrote:
OK I'll start with the response to the attacks on me, then look at everyone else in the next post (because I don't like giant postsI don't see what's wrong with that post really. Truth is, we are going to have to dig deeper to find mafia this game, so we are gonna have to look a little harder than previous games if we want to win.BagelBob wrote:
This post bothers me. 0_o is speculating on the game set-up instead of scum-hunting, a supposed scum-tell, but it's really too early for that to mean much. However, he's making a case that Mafia are going to look like Townies. This is scummy because it gets people thinking that townies are really scum.
I did indeed leave those words out, but again, two of your three times putting someone at L-2 were in the random vote stage.0.o wrote:
Self-preservation is Scummy. Also, here 0_o says that putting someone at L-2 is "kinda fishy"I didn't say putting someone on L-2 is scummy, I said putting someone on L-2 by a supposed "random vote" is a little suspicious.
Which he himself did twice.
In general. In this case the picture was quickly forgotten. Also, there wasn't any scum-hunting going on at the time.This was supposed to be a general warning that it is a bad idea.O.o wrote:
Pictures serve to distract people and generally hurt scum-hunting.Oh come on
That's exactly the point. In RVS you shouldn't HAVE to be concerned about not getting lynched since all the votes are random. If a lynch happens in the RVS, then multiple people are doing something wrong. It is not necessary to try and live through the RVS. RVS should be a time when you look for initial reasons to start pushing someone.O.o wrote:
more stuff about self-preservationOf course I was gonna try to keep myself from getting lynched, I am the only one who I am sure isn't mafia, and personally I think I can be useful for the town. I don't really see how not wanting to get lynched at RVS is scum tell
I'm sorry if I misinterpret what you MEAN, but I can only go off of what you SAY. Next time, if you MEAN "we should stop the silly votes and start getting serious about the game" then maybe you should SAY "we should stop the silly votes and start getting serious about the game" instead of saying "anyone wanna point real fingers now?".adam2046 wrote:
You misinterpret what I mean, what I was saying was that we should stop the silly votes and start getting serious about the game.BagelBob wrote:
Adam in this post is asking other people to point fingers at each other. This isn't laziness, this is scummy.
You seem to misinterpret on purpose too.
Turns out that I'm not going to quote this post. Instead, I'm just going to put forth this simple question to 0_o:
Why are you defending everyone else?
It's understandable to defend someone you KNOW is on your own team, but it is the duty of the town to LOOK FOR SCUM. How about in the future you start ATTACKING people instead of DEFENDING them? You need to be SCUM-HUNTING instead of doing this.
Why are you defending everyone else?
It's understandable to defend someone you KNOW is on your own team, but it is the duty of the town to LOOK FOR SCUM. How about in the future you start ATTACKING people instead of DEFENDING them? You need to be SCUM-HUNTING instead of doing this.
You're right in a sense. However, you admit that this would be something you could see both sides doing. Why does that make it scummy?Wojjan wrote:
As predicted, I was away for a while, due to massive amounts of visiting town halls.
BageBob claimed doctor. Yay, now we know. Thanks for making this harder for all of us, we're bound to lose you on N2. Unless of course you're a scum. I do think your theory is credible, but if I were scum, I would have seen this happen too, and theree's no solid proof yet you're the doctor, since you can freely say who you protected as long as that person is still alive.at least you explained...
- BagelBob: +0.5
I can't talk about this, since I have no idea what you're saying. Could you clarify, please?Wojjan wrote:
't seems I missed that post on adam, and I checked it again. There's no possible way you can see this how Bagel did without looking for reasons to suspect him.
- Bagelbob: +1
I'm sorry, looking for scummy things that people do is scummy? Sorry, but looking for scummy things is called scum-hunting. Try it some time?Wojjan wrote:
Bagel, there is nothing wrong with self-preservation, especially in the RVS. Or what for most seemed as the RVS. You're, again, looking for ways to get suspicion on others. Scummy in my yes
- BagelBob: +0.5
I'd like to point out that both Scum and Town lurk. That being said, I still don't like it. More on this later.Wojjan wrote:
SFG: 4, 4, 3Could this list be updated anytime soon, maybe at the end of D2? I would like to deduct some more theories from bandwagoning and votes, but I'm not really in place to make a list, since I tend to disappear some times in this period. Sorry for that too.
rust45: 4, 3, 3, 3
strager: 3, 3, 3
0_o: 3, 3
LS: 3
Wojjan: 3
adam: -
Pasonia: -
Pasonia, why are you even in? You're rarely here at all, and vote without reason. Maybe he sees no interesting things in the day phase since his time to shine is at night? Or is he just trying to lay low? I wou:ldn't have any clue.
- Pasonia: +0.5
Also, I'm noting that Wojjan said he'll be gone for 48 hours and will not attempt to prod him until Saturday July 11 4PM CDT, regardless of whether Echo notes it or not.
Quint-Post! Turns out I forgot; I wanted to say that that second post was not where I wanted the discussion. It's a good thing to discuss, but I'd really like to hear what you all think about this:
BagelBob wrote:
And when I said re-read 3, I meant examine SFG's posts. Since she was the NK, it's important to figure out WHY she was NKed. Thus, her posts from the previous day need to be examined.
While reading, keep in mind 2 things
1. SFG was not voting to lynch strager
2. SFG was probably the 2nd most suspicious person after strager
I can come up with 3 reasons that SFG would be NKed.
1. SFG was right on the money. Pasonia or rust (her two main suspicions) are scum. Also including the possibility of adam, but early game and not so much later
2. The Scum wanted to find out who each other are. One posted to Kill: SFG to test if the other was SFG or Suburu (WIFOM argument as pointed out by adam prior)
3. Strager was a scum. Echo didn't tell the other that he was alone and he posted Kill: SFG expecting his "buddy" to either disagree or agree, but being surprised by the day.
All 3 of these are made because there was a short night.
Anyone, Questions, Comments, Alternatives?
At the end of your post you saidBagelBob wrote:
Turns out that I'm not going to quote this post. Instead, I'm just going to put forth this simple question to 0_o:
Why are you defending everyone else?
It's understandable to defend someone you KNOW is on your own team, but it is the duty of the town to LOOK FOR SCUM. How about in the future you start ATTACKING people instead of DEFENDING them? You need to be SCUM-HUNTING instead of doing this.
You wanted thoughts and comments, and I gave them to you. I'm not trying to defend anyone in particular, I was just stating my opinions on the validity of your attacks. Yes we want to find the mafia, but if someone argues someone is mafia because of ____, and I don't agree with the reasoning, I'll point it out. Unless you feel everyone should be out for themselves and only defend accusations against themselves?BagelBob wrote:
Thoughts? Comments? Proverbial Expressions?
You're right, posting that is ambiguous. Again, I think you should only defend someone if you KNOW they are on your team. Any other defenses should come from the person who is being attacked. The thing is, you can't specifically know if what you think they were doing is right. You can give it your best guess, but that's all it is.0_o wrote:
At the end of your post you saidBagelBob wrote:
Turns out that I'm not going to quote this post. Instead, I'm just going to put forth this simple question to 0_o:
Why are you defending everyone else?
It's understandable to defend someone you KNOW is on your own team, but it is the duty of the town to LOOK FOR SCUM. How about in the future you start ATTACKING people instead of DEFENDING them? You need to be SCUM-HUNTING instead of doing this.You wanted thoughts and comments, and I gave them to you. I'm not trying to defend anyone in particular, I was just stating my opinions on the validity of your attacks. Yes we want to find the mafia, but if someone argues someone is mafia because of ____, and I don't agree with the reasoning, I'll point it out. Unless you feel everyone should be out for themselves and only defend accusations against themselves?BagelBob wrote:
Thoughts? Comments? Proverbial Expressions?
Now then, does anyone have any thoughts on someone who they think is scum? Or am I the only one who is going to be scum-hunting?
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That seemed like a completely random vote. You didn't even explain yourself.
mod: update the first post please. Also, is Pasonia gonna be replaced or no?
Topic Starter
Pasonia hasn't replied to my prod yet. Which part of the first post? I updated it last time already.
I have already explained that Iwould be voting Pasonia today.
Please pay more attention Rusty.
Edit: Echo you still haven't changed the list put Bobby on and I would like a list of the dead.
Please pay more attention Rusty.
Edit: Echo you still haven't changed the list put Bobby on and I would like a list of the dead.
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Topic Starter
lol, I suck at being a mod >> (first post updated)
Pasonia will not be replaced or prodded any further. 好きにしなさい
Pasonia will not be replaced or prodded any further. 好きにしなさい
well ok then
vote Pasonia
for reasons stated yesterday
Also, I don't think any townie would vote for BagelBob given the logic of his claim...
vote Pasonia
for reasons stated yesterday
Also, I don't think any townie would vote for BagelBob given the logic of his claim...
Sorry, I was wrong. I didn't know that you had forgotten to bold you vote because of the edit. However, you still said that you planned to lurk this game.Pasonia wrote:
Sorry for inactivity? Then later he says that he had planned to lurk this game. Those two don't seem to go together.BagelBob wrote:
[quote="Pasonia":44520]EDIT @ adam: I'm sorry I haven't voted in weeks. >.>
Could you quote "the mafia thing" so I know exactly what you're talking about?Pasonia wrote:
Your logic is broken the moment you quote THIS post, and now I regard you as scum because you're able to go into so much detail on the mafia thing, while saying little about the person you protected or about yourself.
And if you have any questions or require further explanations, feel free to ask.
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I am one who goes with my first instinct after swiftly running through posts, so unless you can produce an ultra-convincing case to me why you're not scum, consider this a LOCKED vote BagelBob.
That means, all I will do is restate that my vote is on you until the end of the day cycle, if required to.
Also, for you guys out there; voting for me is bad. You will regret it if you do. You will regret not hitting a scum by hitting someone who's merely inactive.
Posting a bit more because I now have some time to do so.
I am one who goes with my first instinct after swiftly running through posts, so unless you can produce an ultra-convincing case to me why you're not scum, consider this a LOCKED vote BagelBob.
That means, all I will do is restate that my vote is on you until the end of the day cycle, if required to.
Also, for you guys out there; voting for me is bad. You will regret it if you do. You will regret not hitting a scum by hitting someone who's merely inactive.
Posting a bit more because I now have some time to do so.
hmm
unvote, future vote pending Pas/BagelBob discussion. Nice to see you posting now ^_^
EDIT: ok, I'm going to a cottage with some friends for the weekend, so I probably won't be back here for another 36 hours or so. I'll read everything once I get back. Don't do anything stupid while I'm gone ^_^
unvote, future vote pending Pas/BagelBob discussion. Nice to see you posting now ^_^
EDIT: ok, I'm going to a cottage with some friends for the weekend, so I probably won't be back here for another 36 hours or so. I'll read everything once I get back. Don't do anything stupid while I'm gone ^_^
Unvote
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Here, Bagel. Watching the discussion and deciding what I think about it.
On SFG: Any of those is possible, and other things could have happened as well. Personally, I don't think we'll get much out of looking too deep into that. *shrug*
On SFG: Any of those is possible, and other things could have happened as well. Personally, I don't think we'll get much out of looking too deep into that. *shrug*
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There are many possible reasons SFG could have been killed, but it's all WIFOM.
As for the current situation, I think Pasonia looks a bit scummy.
As for the approach I reccomend, I think we examine what happened D1, and analyze it.
*goes back to WoW*
As for the current situation, I think Pasonia looks a bit scummy.
As for the approach I reccomend, I think we examine what happened D1, and analyze it.
*goes back to WoW*