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Sucks this!Serraionga wrote:
Meah wrote:
am I old fag now?
Westonini wrote:
Nope, you're still Meah.
BASEDsilmarilen wrote:
i do
First of all, that is completely false. If you think that a 15yo girl births healthier children than a woman in her early to mid 20's, then you need to actually do some research. The reason I think that you actually believe that is because you said: "CHILDREN birth the healthiest babies."Vuelo Eluko wrote:
Speaking strictly in terms of biology here, children birth the healthiest babies. The older the mother, the worse off her spawn are in general. I missed the conversation so I'm not sure what bearing it has but there ya go.
This quote is where most of the original debate stemmed from. I can't even begin to address how ignorant B1rd's statement was. While it is true that being attracted to post-pubescent children over the age of 12-13 isn't Pedophilia, it is still Hebephilia and Ephebophilia, which is still extremely disgusting and illegal for the most part in the US. The only reason I say "for the most part" is because 18 and 19-year-olds are also included in the Ephebophilia category.B1rd wrote:
I'm not trying to justify anything, and being attracted to 15 year olds isn't paedophilia. Pedophilia is concerned with pre-pubescent children, and generally 15 and 16 years olds have their reproductive faculties in order. Reproductive capability is pretty much the main determining factor for attractiveness, because obviously reproduction is the main purpose of human sexuality. So yes it is normal for men, even older men, to be attracted to 15 or 16 year old girls who've gone through puberty.
It's quite easy to see why, and it's not biology. I just mean under ideal conditions, all else being equal including the level of autonomy/responsibility of the mothers and all environmental factors like a stupid, probably abusive father who really doesn't want to have a kid with a 15yo removed.Penguin wrote:
There are also studies showing that Fetal death rates and Perinatal death rates are higher in teenage pregnancies than they are with women in their 20's.
It's not a disease. Men are attracted to women based upon their reproductive capacity and other factors.Penguin wrote:
This quote is where most of the original debate stemmed from. I can't even begin to address how ignorant B1rd's statement was. While it is true that being attracted to post-pubescent children over the age of 12-13 isn't Pedophilia, it is still Hebephilia and Ephebophilia, which is still extremely disgusting and illegal for the most part in the US. The only reason I say "for the most part" is because 18 and 19-year-olds are also included in the Ephebophilia category.
Saying that "Reproductive capability is pretty much the main determining factor for attractiveness" is essentially saying that humans have not gone through sociocultural evolution. That we haven't gone through any moral development as a species and still rely on raw human instincts. It is not normal for "men, even older men," to be attracted to children like that. It is a disease and it is disgusting. They need to get professional help.sourceshttps://www.sartcorsonline.com/rptCSR_PublicMultYear.aspx?ClinicPKID=0
https://www.asrm.org/globalassets/asrm/asrm-content/learning--resources/patient-resources/protect-your-fertility3/age_femaleinfertility.pdf
http://www.scaany.org/documents/teen_pregnancy_dec08.pdf
"Mid-to-late adolescents usually have physical characteristics near (or, in some cases, identical) to that of fully-grown adults; psychiatrist and sexologist Fred Berlin states that most men can find persons in this age group sexually attractive, but that "of course, that doesn't mean they're going to act on it. Some men who become involved with teenagers may not have a particular disorder. Opportunity and other factors may have contributed to their behaving in the way they do".[3] According to psychologist and sexologist James Cantor, it is "very common for regular men to be attracted to 18-year-olds or 20-year-olds. It's not unusual for a typical 16-year-old to be attractive to many men and the younger we go the fewer and fewer men are attracted to that age group."[11]"
First of all, you're incorrect in saying it's not biology. Yes, It also has to do with the fact that teenagers are less likely to get the correct prenatal care when they are pregnant, along with other hardships, but there is also a biological aspect to it. Under equal and ideal situations, teenage pregnancies are still more at risk than ones in their 20's.Vuelo Eluko wrote:
It's quite easy to see why, and it's not biology. I just mean under ideal conditions, all else being equal including the level of autonomy/responsibility of the mothers and all environmental factors like a stupid, probably abusive father who really doesn't want to have a kid with a 15yo removed.
Sorry, I should've clarified that it's the "acting out" portion that is disgusting and illegal. I understand that some people can't control their thoughts and attractions to certain things, but if they cannot control their actions and don't realize that what they are doing is immoral, then it is a serious issue. Also, sexual offenders who are "in it for the power play" are just as disgusting, if not more disgusting. Men who have that interest are doing it because younger females are "naive" and easier to take advantage of.Vuelo Eluko wrote:
it is interesting that you still go on to condemn ephebophilia as 'disgusting' when it's just human nature nothing more. Simple attraction of any kind shouldn't illicit such a response, and then when you watch a few documentaries realize most actual offenders aren't explicitly attracted to minors but are in it for the power play/to do something taboo you might start to have a more open mind about, well, the human psyche.
"pedophilia nounVuelo Eluko wrote:
but I agree, when the attraction goes far enough that it is a hindrance to ones ability to live a normal life and/or is acted upon, not simply when the natural attraction exists in the first place, it is a good idea to seek help or just turn yourself in, because this is the actual medical definition of a pedophile not the buzzword version where you might get a stiffy from a pic of a 15-17 yr old who looks like a young woman by all counts and be outcasted for nothing.
I was mistaken with the "disease" aspect of it, and that is a pretty harsh word I used. Ephebophilia and even Hebephilia are not classified as psychiatric disorders. I should've been clearer that I was mostly addressing the fact that pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder.B1rd wrote:
"Mid-to-late adolescents usually have physical characteristics near (or, in some cases, identical) to that of fully-grown adults; psychiatrist and sexologist Fred Berlin states that most men can find persons in this age group sexually attractive, but that "of course, that doesn't mean they're going to act on it. Some men who become involved with teenagers may not have a particular disorder. Opportunity and other factors may have contributed to their behaving in the way they do".[3] According to psychologist and sexologist James Cantor, it is "very common for regular men to be attracted to 18-year-olds or 20-year-olds. It's not unusual for a typical 16-year-old to be attractive to many men and the younger we go the fewer and fewer men are attracted to that age group."[11]"
Sociocultural evolutions exist for a reason.B1rd wrote:
Just because men moderate themselves because of social pressure, doesn't mean that the fundamental attraction doesn't remain. I'm sure of the social pressure were to differ, many men would takes wives from 15 years old.
all things considered, humans are quite disgusting creatures in general. We try, but many don't give a shit.Penguin wrote:
Being completely fine with being attracted to minors and not suppressing the feeling is disgusting.