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B1rd

Railey2 wrote:

B1rd wrote:

Yes, by the mere act of posting something we're oppressing other people and stopping them posting about what they want to post about, exactly the same as banning people and deleting posts. Right. Impeccable logic.
Yeah, if you open a thread and see two pages of politics in a clearly heated discussion, the probability of you dropping a lighthearted comment inbetween is exactly the same as if you open a thread where everyone is just chatting away, light-heartedly. I don't think so.

Don't pretend like politics doesn't alienate a good part of the userbase, and I'm not arguing that we should stop going on about politics, but at least be honest here.


ANYWAY

I get it, you feel like you got treated unfairly, and maybe that is true or maybe it is not. I can't really tell, as I'm not willing to go on tuuba to check, but I can tell you one thing: Your attitude is off the fucking rails. That's what my post was mainly about, whether or not you were treated unfairly on tuuba, you CLEARLY have a lot to sort out regardless. If you ask me, you need to spend some more time with people and learn how to get along instead of reading questionable articles about macroeconomics and systems of governance.

I am sure that this issue was something that could have been figured out with some PMs (the right PMs), but instead you do this:

B1rd wrote:

I realise that IppE never cared about being consistent with his rules, all he wanted to do was white knight and "protect" the precious snowflakes you and Granger from the danger of memes and mockery because obviously you can't handle it. Although, obviously when you attack and insult Trash Boat, that's a different story because people don't like Trash Boat? You fucking hypocrite. Go back to your hole. IppE has degree of logical retardation on the level of feminists, and that's apparent from having discussions with him. He doesn't have the mental faculties needed to be in charge of anything.
Do you listen to yourself sometimes? Jesus Christ man.

Tuuba is just a small forum with people that try to get along, yeah? Meanwhile, this is what you have to say about it:

B1rd wrote:

To have well-functioning system of governance of any kind, it is essential to have impartiality as a corner stone, and this was not present in Tuuba.
I've said it before and I'm going to say it again: You're living in your own crazy world. Step out of it sometime, see that whoever you're talking to is a person as well. Sometimes they get annoyed, sometimes they lash out, and if you treat them well they will probably get along with you.

Not everything has to be seen through the lense of theoretical, detached and convoluted sociological theory. Just try to be a bit more normal, yeah?
Well people are certainly capable of ignoring certain posts and in Tuuba there was definitely occasions with two or more separate discussions going on in one thread. To be honest, I'm not sure if people unable to master this skill are people I care about preventing being alienated. But regardless, political discussions are few and far between and they're not stopping people from shitposting for 90% of the time. And the thing with the Tuuba community is you didn't have such a big dichotomy between shitposters/social posters and abstract economic theory posters (and that's really giving credit to the discussions we have here). We could actually have conversations about relevant and meaningful facets of daily life and the discussion was more often on a midpoint of intellectual stimulation rather than being on one of the two extremes we have here.

I'm not crazy just because I'm slightly more preoccupied with abstract ideals than normal and actually use them to influence my day-to-day behaviour rather than keeping it at the ballot box. If anything, my experiences on Tuuba just show the necessity of a solid set of ideals. Take free speech: whenever there is talk about any complicated or controversial issues, a degree of conflict is unavoidable. Thus there must be a system in place that protects the speech of the minority from the majority, i.e. free speech, so that it doesn't quickly devolve into a tyranny of the majority where dissent is not tolerated. That is true for both society and a forum where you want to have a high standard of discussion. So I think abstract ideals have a very prominent role to play in making society, internet communities or whatever a better place. Of course you can argue specifics but that's a simplified overview. And really, for tyranny to flourish it's necessary for morality, ideals and philosophy to be corrupted or for there to be a lack of those things in the first place. And you may think I'm being melodramatic by constantly bringing up tyranny, but I'm not. What I said about the necessity of ideals to ward off tyranny is true and factual, and it was less than a century ago where tens of millions of people died because of tyranny. So no, I don't think it's wrong to be concerned about abstract things, or make a big deal over seemingly small things for the sake if ideals. Just read the Gulag Archipelago.

I also don't know how you can say it's normal for people to lash out and then demonise me for getting angry. Getting angry a year after the fact isn't the reason for the problem, and regardless if I ability to post constantly relies on my ability to butter other people up, then that's a place that I don't want to be in in the first place. And maybe I'm not human enough to be able to tell, but is basically getting ejected from a community you've been part of for a number of years not a cause for someone to be angry? Just think of it as me injecting some humanity in what would otherwise no doubt be a robotic and monotonous tone. No I'm not particularly extraverted or agreeable towards other people, but not everyone needs to be. Different personalities have different pros/cons. Doesn't mean there's anything wrong with me. (and trust me I have plenty of things wrong with me, but it's not in regard to what we've been talking about.)

As a last note, I've been up for a while so my posting may be somewhat more incoherent than normal.
DaddyCoolVipper
go to sleep, it's 3AM!
Milkshake
listen birdie, I guess some people here already told you that but I think you're taking this incident far too personally. I can get why you were pissed your post was deleted, but you're blowing it out of proportions. you need to choose what to spend your energy on wisely. I know many people here have bad blood with you, but I'm saying this as I feel completely neutral- this could've ended in a happier, faster and easier way. apologizing and compromising over these kind of things doesn't mean you're going back on your word, it just means you're mature enough to understand that this is petty stuff to get so, so serious about. Tuuba in the end was founded to have a chill, small community of the "oldfags" (and some newer people as well of course) and of course that this kind of drama is bound to happen because everyone knows everyone, but mate, it's been a goddamn year- that's dragging it far too much.
Alexkuzi
OOH NO!
Tupsu

Milkshake wrote:

listen birdie, I guess some people here already told you that but I think you're taking this incident far too personally. I can get why you were pissed your post was deleted, but you're blowing it out of proportions. you need to choose what to spend your energy on wisely. I know many people here have bad blood with you, but I'm saying this as I feel completely neutral- this could've ended in a happier, faster and easier way. apologizing and compromising over these kind of things doesn't mean you're going back on your word, it just means you're mature enough to understand that this is petty stuff to get so, so serious about. Tuuba in the end was founded to have a chill, small community of the "oldfags" (and some newer people as well of course) and of course that this kind of drama is bound to happen because everyone knows everyone, but mate, it's been a goddamn year- that's dragging it far too much.
the funniest thing is all this was triggered by me just posting a link to the forums
I (and everyone else off tuuba as far as I can tell) really don't care about him to the degree he seems to think

anyway
3 :)
Cynplytholowazy
B1rd

Milkshake wrote:

listen birdie, I guess some people here already told you that but I think you're taking this incident far too personally. I can get why you were pissed your post was deleted, but you're blowing it out of proportions. you need to choose what to spend your energy on wisely. I know many people here have bad blood with you, but I'm saying this as I feel completely neutral- this could've ended in a happier, faster and easier way. apologizing and compromising over these kind of things doesn't mean you're going back on your word, it just means you're mature enough to understand that this is petty stuff to get so, so serious about. Tuuba in the end was founded to have a chill, small community of the "oldfags" (and some newer people as well of course) and of course that this kind of drama is bound to happen because everyone knows everyone, but mate, it's been a goddamn year- that's dragging it far too much.
Drama I can handle, but not being in a toxic environment where I have to self censor or get my posts deleted. You think going back on my word and me apologising for something I'm not sorry about would change anything? I doubt it. There is no reason why I'd want to go back, I have more freedom to post over here, no reason for me to go and suck up to people I don't like.

Basically, there are two things that need to happen before I'd post at Tuuba again:

-ITT would have to be for all content, and no content, such as political stuff, should be banned from there
-forum policy should be decided by votes, not by one guy (IppE) deciding whatever he wants himself
Aurani
Found Birb
Vuelo Eluko
didja miss me aurani
Aurani

xxjesus1412fanx wrote:

didja miss me aurani
Milkshake

B1rd wrote:

Milkshake wrote:

listen birdie, I guess some people here already told you that but I think you're taking this incident far too personally. I can get why you were pissed your post was deleted, but you're blowing it out of proportions. you need to choose what to spend your energy on wisely. I know many people here have bad blood with you, but I'm saying this as I feel completely neutral- this could've ended in a happier, faster and easier way. apologizing and compromising over these kind of things doesn't mean you're going back on your word, it just means you're mature enough to understand that this is petty stuff to get so, so serious about. Tuuba in the end was founded to have a chill, small community of the "oldfags" (and some newer people as well of course) and of course that this kind of drama is bound to happen because everyone knows everyone, but mate, it's been a goddamn year- that's dragging it far too much.
Drama I can handle, but not being in a toxic environment where I have to self censor or get my posts deleted. You think going back on my word and me apologising for something I'm not sorry about would change anything? I doubt it. There is no reason why I'd want to go back, I have more freedom to post over here, no reason for me to go and suck up to people I don't like.

Basically, there are two things that need to happen before I'd post at Tuuba again:

-ITT would have to be for all content, and no content, such as political stuff, should be banned from there
-forum policy should be decided by votes, not by one guy (IppE) deciding whatever he wants himself
well, enjoy your time here then. I get your idea, but it's literally his forums, he's free to do whatever he wishes to do. whether people stay or not is up to them
abraker
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B1rd

Milkshake wrote:

well, enjoy your time here then. I get your idea, but it's literally his forums, he's free to do whatever he wishes to do. whether people stay or not is up to them
If you actually wanted the forum to be run democratically then you could probably do it. Draw some analogies from unions. If you don't want to, then we have nothing to talk about.
Green Platinum
Are there any forums that are run democratically? Where they literally elect mods or admins.
B1rd
All I'm really talking about it have the users have a vote on forum rule and policy changes. It makes more sense on a forum with like less than 20 active users.
Milkshake

B1rd wrote:

Milkshake wrote:

well, enjoy your time here then. I get your idea, but it's literally his forums, he's free to do whatever he wishes to do. whether people stay or not is up to them
If you actually wanted the forum to be run democratically then you could probably do it. Draw some analogies from unions. If you don't want to, then we have nothing to talk about.
excuse me sir but literally what does your response have to do with what I wrote you


B1rd wrote:

All I'm really talking about it have the users have a vote on forum rule and policy changes. It makes more sense on a forum with like less than 20 active users.
okay yes, I agree on that idea as well but it throws me back to my initial point - his forums, his rules (and that means he can decide in what way they're agreed upon as well- all by himself or the whole userbase). if people disagree with the rules that were set or the way there were set, well, they are free to leave.
B1rd
Just because he can do whatever he wants, doesn't mean that's the best way to run a forum. With a small community and a small group of friends, you don't want one guy to strut around as overlord because he was the first one to get the server up and running. If a majority of the userbase wanted to decide things democratically, then do you think IppE would object to that? Maybe, I don't have a high opinion of him, but maybe not. That's why I brought up unions, because union members don't own the property of the businesses they lobby, yet they can get their way through negotiation and boycott.
DaddyCoolVipper

B1rd wrote:

All I'm really talking about it have the users have a vote on forum rule and policy changes. It makes more sense on a forum with like less than 20 active users.
cliques form even in smaller social groups tho, which would become voting blocs
abraker
Democratic policy voting works best if you have confidence that people are smart enough to make correct choices and voting is secure enough not to be influence by parties the voting is not targeted for.

It's easy to have trust issues on the internet. It would work if all who are voting put effort in to making their community better. Not many want to ruin something they put time and effort into.
FuZ
5
lol
rip lil peep x
Vuelo Eluko

lol wrote:

rip lil peep x
he seemed like an upstanding human being that had contributed a lot to society.
He will be missed.
B1rd

xxjesus1412fanx wrote:

lol wrote:

rip lil peep x
he seemed like an upstanding human being that had contributed a lot to society.
He will be missed.
Just like Trayvon Martin.

RiP the scientists and world leaders to be of our generation.
roshan117
b1rd discussions make my heart all warm and fuzzy
Tupsu

Green Platinum wrote:

Are there any forums that are run democratically? Where they literally elect mods or admins.
I was in a discord server like that once, where community managers were chosen by popular vote. I think they also had low key mod powers in message deletion and setting usernames, but nothing else
unfortunately for them, I was also super pissed at the person who ran the discord server (they disliked me but didn't know my new username and thus didn't know I was there), so I ran for office, got in by some subtle vote manipulation, then sent screenshots to one of my friends about what that person was saying about them and their discord server in the private officials channel (it was some proper petty shit, I believe a phrase used was "autismo blasting")
unfortunately they then sent the screenshots to that person going 'oh is that what you really think of me' and I got caught out eventually, but it was very funny to see how badly the person flipped out and started suspecting every single person in the group

is just internet why you have to be mad
silmarilen
I had literally never heard of lil peep before and suddenly i see everybody saying rip as if he was famous or something?
Alexkuzi
;) The Alex Hood News Is A Awesome Thing, don't you agree abraker?
DJ Enetro
Alex you gotta find that happy medium between TLI and TMI.
Tae
Have you considered that not everyone is worth helping?
DJ Enetro
No, because I believe that everyone can get better if they try.

You can expect people not to do what you expect them to do and still guide them to what is right.
Green Platinum

DJ Enetro wrote:

No, because I believe that everyone can get better if they try.

You can expect people not to do what you expect them to do and still guide them to what is right.
What if it is apparent they aren't going to try though?
DJ Enetro

Green Platinum wrote:

What if it is apparent they aren't going to try though?
Well at least tell him/her what is right and the reasons behind it, after all not all people are smart enough to look it up for themselves. Then leave that person alone and try to have fun with him/her.
DaddyCoolVipper

Hwa Yang wrote:

Have you considered that not everyone is worth helping?

This is a really important thing to learn in life. @Enetro, pay close attention to this sentiment, it's a valuable and radically different perspective to your current one.
E m i
maybe he thinks so too but chooses to use/apply that knowledge less instantly
B1rd

silmarilen wrote:

I had literally never heard of lil peep before and suddenly i see everybody saying rip as if he was famous or something?
I don't know who he is and I honestly say I don't give a shit. There are innumerable more people worthy of commemoration. How about for one, the man who saved human civilisation as we know it from a nuclear holocaust? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov
keremaru
ok
E m i

awesomest thumbnail for youtube video ever
Cynplytholowazy
MOD JUST LOCKED MY POST WITH NO REASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
E m i
me cute with no reason
yuhaii
I think I wasted my free username change on this
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