hey for once I don't see what b1rd said that could be seen as so horrible

Vipper is a Bolshevik, no doubt about it.

In the spirit of free market and to make the economy stronger, I am planning to open a business that sells customer info. They are not allowed to opt out and we are not going to say who's info we sold. Also nobody can sue us because government intervention is bad.

abraker wrote:

In the spirit of free market and to make the economy stronger, I am planning to open a business that sells customer info. They are not allowed to opt out and we are not going to say who's info we sold. Also nobody can sue us because government intervention is bad.

Just like any normal person, I do not like being agressed upon. This business model is a clear aggression against the rights that I as a wealthy person have, according to the contract I entered with Dawn Defense (Personal Security & Privacy+). If you sell my data, Dawn Defense will send armed men to your house to make you pay for your crime [DDefense Privacy+ code chapter A]. What now sucker? Free markets!

Railey2 wrote:

Just like any normal person, I do not like being agressed upon. This business model is a clear aggression against the rights that I as a wealthy person have, according to the contract I entered with Dawn Defense (Personal Security & Privacy+). If you sell my data, Dawn Defense will send armed men to your house to make you pay for your crime [DDefense Privacy+ code chapter A]. What now sucker? Free markets!

You seem like an honest person that is able to stash enough wealth to have a defense contractor back you up. I will make an exception for you and even allow you to have the customer data upon special request. So what do you think about discussing some deals that take of advantage of the poor suckers to put even more money into our pockets?

I've made all my money managing bribes for the independent arbitrators that sometimes work for DDefense, trust me I'm not looking for any more business opportunities. But just out of curiosity, what does your business model look like? Who are you selling to? What data do you obtain and how?

Some struggling startups are looking to expand their customer base and feel like they hit a road block. While some contact us, we usually contact them and offer grants for R&D, engineering developments, or some other thing they need big bucks for, in exchange for some of the consumer data they have gathered over the years. As you know, customer data is one of the most important things for fortune 500 companies. Big buyers like Corruption Corp., Too Big Too Fail Inc., and Illegal Scandal Producer Co. aquire customer data for huge sums of money, often enough to allow us to supply the petty startups. It's a win-win for us! They would become bigger and become buyers of our data and we become bigger to become better sellers of data. Best part is that the poor saps who try to avoid having their data collection by the fortune 500 still have their data collection by startups, and they don't suspect a thing.

B1rd wrote:

Funny how someone would get so offended over some mere statements about a country.

Yes, B1rd, that's all they were.

Intellectual dishonesty must get tiring.

abraker wrote:

Some struggling startups are looking to expand their customer base and feel like they hit a road block. While some contact us, we usually contact them and offer grants for R&D, engineering developments, or some other thing they need big bucks for, in exchange for some of the consumer data they have gathered over the years. As you know, customer data is one of the most important things for fortune 500 companies. Big buyers like Corruption Corp., Too Big Too Fail Inc., and Illegal Scandal Producer Co. aquire customer data for huge sums of money, often enough to allow us to supply the petty startups. It's a win-win for us! They would become bigger and become buyers of our data and we become bigger to become better sellers of data. Best part is that the poor saps who try to avoid having their data collection by the fortune 500 still have their data collection by startups, and they don't suspect a thing.

Wouldn't it be terrible if our own states were already spying on us who can then lock us in jail for breaking one of the 10,000 victimless crimes and there was nothing we could do about it. Oh wait...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency

abraker wrote:

Some struggling startups are looking to expand their customer base and feel like they hit a road block. While some contact us, we usually contact them and offer grants for R&D, engineering developments, or some other thing they need big bucks for, in exchange for some of the consumer data they have gathered over the years. As you know, customer data is one of the most important things for fortune 500 companies. Big buyers like Corruption Corp., Too Big Too Fail Inc., and Illegal Scandal Producer Co. aquire customer data for huge sums of money, often enough to allow us to supply the petty startups. It's a win-win for us! They would become bigger and become buyers of our data and we become bigger to become better sellers of data. Best part is that the poor saps who try to avoid having their data collection by the fortune 500 still have their data collection by startups, and they don't suspect a thing.

So you are like a middleman between big and small corp? That is really smart, I can see that getting seriously big in only a small amount of time.

I don't know a lot about the rest of the Fortune 500, but Dawn Defense is a top5 company as you know and I do know quite a lot about them. Basically: They are always on the lookout for more data.

One strategy they succesfully applied over the years was, that they would enter the market in particularly crime-ridden areas and offer their protection+ contracts for only a fraction of the cost to a part of the population (lets say in neighborhood A). Things would usually go really bad after that, because with a part of the population now being under the protection of DDefense, crime would usually start shifting to be concentrated on everyone that DOESN'T have a DDefense contract (say everyone in Neighborhood B). Neighborhood B would see sharply increasing crime rates over a span of only weeks, and since there is not a lot of money there, no other defense contractor would be willing to offer protection as that would incur great financial losses. Then after shit goes really bad in neighborhood B, DDefense would, as the only firm, enter the market and offer contracts for insanely high prices. Didn't I just say entering such a market would be a financial loss? Yes, but here is the catch: Just before they entered the market, they terminated all the contracts in neighborhood A, making crime shift back there, meaning that neighborhood B practically became safer over night without DDefense even having done any protecting. B-neighborhood inhabitans would often still buy the insanely overpriced contracts, even though crime went back to being unconcentrated again.

Influencing crime-rates for financial gain by selling only to parts of the population is a strategy that DDefense perfected over the years, but to know where exactly this strategy is best employed, information is critical. They would be very interested in dealing with you I am sure.

B1rd wrote:

Wouldn't it be terrible if our own states were already spying on us who can then lock us in jail for breaking one of the 10,000 victimless crimes and there was nothing we could do about it. Oh wait...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency

There are some things to be said about the old system, but at least everyone could go to elementary school there. I heard that education firms upped their rates AGAIN recently. Competition is dead in that field, it's all just one big cartel. It used to just be higher education, but now... Price fixing basically ruined even the most basic education for the bottom 20% of the population. Imagine being born in a family like that..

What are you even talking about

I'll reply to the satire after work, however

B1rd wrote:

What are you even talking about

For once, I have to side with b1rd on this one. Looks like Railey suffered a satire overflow.

Has science gone too far?

Do not fret, Bird, for Tanna Justice is going to ensure your freedom, for a de rigueur fee, of course.

hi
stop fighting about politics and come play a game of exciting classic forum mafia https://forums.tuuba.moe/viewtopic.php?id=264
thanks

(also you can provide all your top pain management tips in case my wisdom tooth hole starts hurting more again)

I'll come back when I get an apology from a certain someone...

B1rd wrote:

I'll come back when I get an apology from a certain someone...

that's not how apologies work, you broke the rules and you got punished as a result, no one is going to apologise to you
stop being a god damn egg

most of us are kinda glad you're gone anyway so there is that

don't wait for their apology. just kiss them already, silly boy.

Tupsu wrote:

B1rd wrote:

I'll come back when I get an apology from a certain someone...

that's not how apologies work, you broke the rules and you got punished as a result, no one is going to apologise to you
stop being a god damn egg

most of us are kinda glad you're gone anyway so there is that

I know right, posting memes in ITT is literal hate speech

I'm sure you're glad I'm gone, meanwhile, have fun begging for members for your dead forum.

B1rd wrote:

Tupsu wrote:

that's not how apologies work, you broke the rules and you got punished as a result, no one is going to apologise to you
stop being a god damn egg

most of us are kinda glad you're gone anyway so there is that

I know right, posting memes in ITT is literal hate speech

I'm sure you're glad I'm gone, meanwhile, have fun begging for members for your dead forum.

I understand rejection is hard to deal with, sweet cheeks, but you'll just have to take it xx

Tupsu wrote:

I understand rejection is hard to deal with, sweet cheeks, but you'll just have to take it xx

Except I'm the one who rejected you.

ok

Imma need some context on this

Railey2 wrote:

Imma need some context on this

context: provided

though I'd love to hear bird's view on things, it would really be quite amusing to compare to the rest of tuuba's

I posted some Donald Trump memes in Tuuba ITT, a couple people got offended because they needed a "recuperate" from Donald Trump winning, and so the server owner elected to make the forum a safe space and to delete my posts, so I left. Even though I was one of the first people who came up with the idea of having the new forum so we wouldn't have to suffer under capricious unilateral decision making of moderators.

Oh and I remember, you were one of the two people calling for a safe space.

B1rd wrote:

I posted some Donald Trump memes in Tuuba ITT, a couple people got offended because they needed a "recuperate" from Donald Trump winning, and so the server owner elected to make the forum a safe space and to delete my posts, so I left. Even though I was one of the first people who came up with the idea of having the new forum so we wouldn't have to suffer under capricious unilateral decision making of moderators.

Oh and I remember, you were one of the two people calling for a safe space.

tbf you kept provoking other people and literally couldn't help yourself from just following the rules that you'd been told to go by.

respecting other people's wishes is the absolute basics of socialising, if you can't do that at least at some level, you're doing something wrong. It seems like you wanted tuuba to be the same as 4chan, but there's a big difference between those two websites- don't compare them just because you like how 4chan does things

B1rd wrote:

I posted some Donald Trump memes in Tuuba ITT, a couple people got offended because they needed a "recuperate" from Donald Trump winning, and so the server owner elected to make the forum a safe space and to delete my posts, so I left. Even though I was one of the first people who came up with the idea of having the new forum so we wouldn't have to suffer under capricious unilateral decision making of moderators.

Oh and I remember, you were one of the two people calling for a safe space.

your only removed posts were those where you provided fanart of me and granger
your precious and beloved trump memes are still right there, look https://forums.tuuba.moe/viewtopic.php?pid=35791#p35791
stop trying to pretend like your punishment wasn't caused by you being a dickwaffle directly at other people
t. the "server admin" who is currently discussing this matter with me and like four other OT regulars

ps. the fact that 'politics should be in GD' is not enforced in these forums is the main reason keeping me away from here

Tupsu wrote:

your only removed posts were those where you provided fanart of me and granger
your precious and beloved trump memes are still right there, look https://forums.tuuba.moe/viewtopic.php?pid=35791#p35791
stop trying to pretend like your punishment wasn't caused by you being a dickwaffle directly at other people
t. the "server admin" who is currently discussing this matter with me and like four other OT regulars

ps. the fact that 'politics should be in GD' is not enforced in these forums is the main reason keeping me away from here

Copy pasting your avatar isn't "fanart"

I realise that IppE never cared about being consistent with his rules, all he wanted to do was white knight and "protect" the precious snowflakes you and Granger from the danger of memes and mockery because obviously you can't handle it. Although, obviously when you attack and insult Trash Boat, that's a different story because people don't like Trash Boat? You fucking hypocrite. Go back to your hole. IppE has degree of logical retardation on the level of feminists, and that's apparent from having discussions with him. He doesn't have the mental faculties needed to be in charge of anything.

He elected to make the forum a safespace, violate the general and all-purpose nature of ITT, and try to segregate discussion, which as I have already stated in detailed arguments, doesn't work when you have such a small community.

And I should remind you that there were people who found you obnoxious, but neither me nor anyone else called for you to have your posts deleted or anything along that nature, did we?

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

tbf you kept provoking other people and literally couldn't help yourself from just following the rules that you'd been told to go by.

respecting other people's wishes is the absolute basics of socialising, if you can't do that at least at some level, you're doing something wrong. It seems like you wanted tuuba to be the same as 4chan, but there's a big difference between those two websites- don't compare them just because you like how 4chan does things

I only provoked other people because I needed to verify the "rules".

Respecting people's wishes is a two-way street. I'm not going to suddenly stop posting memes about one of the biggest events of the decade or be cordoned off to a containment zone because a couple of people didn't like it. Most people didn't care/supported Trump so there was no justification to ban it. Unlike what you say, there was a general expectation of free discussion and laissez-faire moderation, because one of the main reasons the forum was founded in the first place was because of overbearing moderation here. I thought that we would have a democratic way to sort out Tuuba policy. But no, I learned the hard way that that you can't trust anyone with power unless you have a physical stake in it yourself.

There's always going to be a degree of drama and personality clashes in any online community. In instances like this, having the administrator take sides is not productive.

B1rd wrote:

Copy pasting your avatar isn't "fanart"

yes, but "insulting edit" doesn't quite have the same vibe to it

B1rd wrote:

I realise that IppE never cared about being consistent with his rules, all he wanted to do was white knight and "protect" the precious snowflakes you and Granger from the danger of memes and mockery because obviously you can't handle it. Although, obviously when you attack and insult Trash Boat, that's a different story because people don't like Trash Boat? You fucking hypocrite. Go back to your hole. IppE has degree of logical retardation on the level of feminists, and that's apparent from having discussions with him. He doesn't have the mental faculties needed to be in charge of anything.

yes, you've exposed the vile IppE and his secret plan all along - he was just trying to amass a harem of cute girls by acting as the true and noble white knight and handing out coloured flairs on an internet shitposting forum
at least IppE is capable of drawing basic logical conclusions, which you've failed to prove thus far both in this friendly discussion and in those of our past

see, herein lies the difference between us two: I know where to stop
after I was called out by both administration and other users, I stopped bullying boat, and I'm currently even giving him a second chance that he really doesn't particularly deserve with secret santa

B1rd wrote:

He elected to make the forum a safespace, violate the general and all-purpose nature of ITT, and try to segregate discussion, which as I have already stated in detailed arguments, doesn't work when you have such a small community.

ah, yes, the fabled tuuba safe space with its politically correct swastikas, constant jew and kebab removal jokes, and - what's this here?

B1rd wrote:

And I should remind you that there were people who found you obnoxious, but neither me nor anyone else called for you to have your posts deleted or anything along that nature, did we?

you mean aside from earlier this year when boat called for me to be banned and then publicly verbally attacked me, earning him a several month cooldown with severely restricted permisisons? yeah, nah, never happened

I can't be fucked to pick through the rest of your shit, sorry love
we are also breaking the one golden rule of this thread, so here's some enjoyable media which I enjoy for everyone else to watch while this blows over

Tupsu wrote:

yes, you've exposed the vile IppE and his secret plan all along - he was just trying to amass a harem of cute girls by acting as the true and noble white knight and handing out coloured flairs on an internet shitposting forum
at least IppE is capable of drawing basic logical conclusions, which you've failed to prove thus far both in this friendly discussion and in those of our past

see, herein lies the difference between us two: I know where to stop
after I was called out by both administration and other users, I stopped bullying boat, and I'm currently even giving him a second chance that he really doesn't particularly deserve with secret santa

ah, yes, the fabled tuuba safe space with its politically correct swastikas, constant jew and kebab removal jokes, and - what's this here?

SPOILER

you mean aside from earlier this year when boat called for me to be banned and then publicly verbally attacked me, earning him a several month cooldown with severely restricted permisisons? yeah, nah, never happened

How am I supposed to know what happened several months after I left, genius? And go figure that Trash Boat is the one to suffer repercussions for "verbally abusing" you. Oh it must have be so terrible for you to suffer the online outburst of one mentally challenged individual whom you bullied for an extended period of time. Go have a cry.

No, it's you and IppE who are unable to create any logical conclusions, or come up with any arguments to justify your actions besides "m-muh feelings". Don't try to shift things around and make them out to be something else, the entire incident was centred around being able to post memes and jokes in ITT. It wasn't about me "hurting your feelings" or "going too far". The fact that you still have "political" content like stupid edgy jokes is just another example of your inconsistency when it comes to the "rules", in that you can have all the political bullshit you want, just as long as it isn't about Trump and as long as it doesn't offend a certain vocal minority group.

The "rules" are tantamount to "do what I say, don't say anything I don't want you to say or say anything that my arbitrarily decided in-group doesn't want you to say". There is no impartiality, there is no objective criteria or ruleset which creates an environment which is to the benefit of the majority, only a stupid little autocracy in which the few remaining members can have their circlejerk after they have long driven everyone else away.

B1rd wrote:

I only provoked other people because I needed to verify the "rules".

Why did you "need to verify them"? You don't post CP to verifying that posting that isn't okay, lol. Just admit that you made poor judgement and screwed up instead of reframing it like you had a good reason to go against what a staff member was telling you to do.

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

B1rd wrote:

I only provoked other people because I needed to verify the "rules".

Why did you "need to verify them"? You don't post CP to verifying that posting that isn't okay, lol. Just admit that you made poor judgement and screwed up instead of reframing it like you had a good reason to go against what a staff member was telling you to do.

You really don't have any idea what happened to be able to make any conclusive judgements on the issue.

I've seen the posts myself, though. You were acting like an ass in a small community, what do you expect?

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

I've seen the posts myself, though. You were acting like an ass in a small community, what do you expect?

That's just a gross oversimplification and misinterpretation of the events. I might explain everything to you except I've done it a lot of times already, and I know you're strongly anti free speech anyway.

B1rd wrote:

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

I've seen the posts myself, though. You were acting like an ass in a small community, what do you expect?

That's just a gross oversimplification and misinterpretation of the events. I might explain everything to you except I've done it a lot of times already, and I know you're strongly anti free speech anyway.

I just think you've misunderstood the nature of forums in general. "Free speech" doesn't exist, and other websites aren't the same as 4chan. I know you strongly value the anonymity and culture that 4chan provides, but it just doesn't work the same way when everyone socialises with their own identities.

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

I just think you've misunderstood the nature of forums in general. "Free speech" doesn't exist, and other websites aren't the same as 4chan. I know you strongly value the anonymity and culture that 4chan provides, but it just doesn't work the same way when everyone socialises with their own identities.

And it wasn't even about "me being an ass" (which is completely subjective, btw). The reason was literally because I was posting Trump memes, not directed at anyone, and a vocal minority were complaining about their safe space was being invaded and that certain forms of politics be banned from Tuuba's ITT. That is why I mocked those two and they definitely deserved it.

And yet you don't realise the nature of why the Tuuba forum was founded in the first place. That was one of the main reasons it was founded, to get away from meddling moderators who had no idea what they were doing. Free speech works fine in forums, you're exercising de facto free-speech right now by virtue of the fact that no one is repressing it. The only reason it's popular on image boards in because the anonymity protects the users and site from prosecution. It's rare of forums that you actually need moderation because forums are for the most part self-regulating. And that was definitely the case with Tuuba, it was only a couple people bitching when they could have just ignored posts they didn't like, like everyone else does, and there wouldn't have been a problem. It would have blown over in a week. But no, because some idiot decides to enforce his will upon everyone - by virtue of the fact that by chance he was the server owner - it had to cause such a drama and make me leave the server. Not because there was any vote, or consensus (by no means was I alone in my opinion), that what I was posting ought to be banned, but because one guy on the behest of a vocal minority decided it. Actions like that are completely out of place in a forum that small, and it betrayed the purpose from which the forum was founded. The need for hierarchy has an inverse relationship with the number of people in a community, and I have been a part of MMO clans with more members than that yet without any centralised governance - everything being voluntary.

Yeah, the essential reason why I wanted the community to create it's own forum is because I hate writing long, detailed posts, and then have them disappear like people taken by the fucking Gestapo in the night, then wonder if I actually posted what I thought I did, and eventually have to back up all larger posts lest they be deleted and I lose their contents forever. That's not the type of environment I ever want to be in. It's cancer. But apparently, power corrupts and you can't even trust people you know to be fair and impartial once they have it.

Listen Bird, mate, I'm your biggest supporter and even I believe you did step over the line and from there on started victimising yourself. Just please don't go into the uncanny valley and merge your politics with the whole tuuba deal. That's why people are being like this towards you.

Yes, deleting your posts might've been an exaggeration, but that does not mean you bear no guilt, either. The only thing that happened here is a lack of communication and too much hubris.
Be a man and show some humility. Trust me, it doesn't mean you're wrong, it means you're above the pettiness and whatever display this is.