Not at all, it'd be quite nice to live in a world like that. Unfortunately, I'm not religious, so the concept of "libertarian free will" doesn't exactly match the objective reality that I live in.B1rd wrote:
Does free will scare you?
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Nice strawman - my arguments are founded on "religion", whilst you conveniently forget to respond to all the arguments I put forth.
Your cultural marxism is showing through. Oh I'm sorry, "objective left-wing determinism". But no, humans are not putty that is infinitely malleable with social engineering. You may create a system which might influence people in a certain direction, but it's impossible to eliminate free will by changing environmental factors.
Your cultural marxism is showing through. Oh I'm sorry, "objective left-wing determinism". But no, humans are not putty that is infinitely malleable with social engineering. You may create a system which might influence people in a certain direction, but it's impossible to eliminate free will by changing environmental factors.
What? You didn't put forward any arguments, lol.
Your post might as well have just said this^, which I'm happy to respond to.
I'm not saying Scandinavian prisons do "everything right", but they're objectively better at reforming criminals than a more punishment-oriented justice system, proven by statistics.
Elliot Rodger may have been mentally ill, he might've been raised badly, or gotten unlucky enough for his mental state to make sense (to him).
Explain how free will is even possible without the assistance of something non-physical? I'm pretty sure you could predict someone's future choices with 100% accuracy if you knew everything that had led up to that point in their life down to the atom, which means that they wouldn't be able to exercise free will without something non-physical like a soul.
I feel like people executed at the Nuremberg trials might've been disproportionately punished, actually. Plenty of psychological experiments since then have suggested that normal people will commit atrocities as long as an authority tells them to, it's human nature.
You spend too much time reading alt-right content, lol.
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So what. Correlation doesn't equal causation. Just because they do some things right, doesn't mean they do everything right.
Elliot Rodger is an example of someone who reacted disproportionately to their life situation, which means that he chose to do so of his own will. People have free will and it's not just all environmental determinism
Would there be more utilitarian value in letting the convicted of the Nuremburg trials off on good behaviour?
Your post might as well have just said this^, which I'm happy to respond to.
I'm not saying Scandinavian prisons do "everything right", but they're objectively better at reforming criminals than a more punishment-oriented justice system, proven by statistics.
Elliot Rodger may have been mentally ill, he might've been raised badly, or gotten unlucky enough for his mental state to make sense (to him).
Explain how free will is even possible without the assistance of something non-physical? I'm pretty sure you could predict someone's future choices with 100% accuracy if you knew everything that had led up to that point in their life down to the atom, which means that they wouldn't be able to exercise free will without something non-physical like a soul.
I feel like people executed at the Nuremberg trials might've been disproportionately punished, actually. Plenty of psychological experiments since then have suggested that normal people will commit atrocities as long as an authority tells them to, it's human nature.
B1rd wrote:
Your cultural marxism is showing through. Oh I'm sorry, "objective left-wing determinism".
You spend too much time reading alt-right content, lol.
This discussion has gone off the fucking rails lol
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 4705545216
Nvm I think I found why B1rd is so pro-death penalty, LUL
Nvm I think I found why B1rd is so pro-death penalty, LUL
it always does when B1rd is involved, I wonder whyGreen Platinum wrote:
This discussion has gone off the fucking rails lol
my best bud is gifting me her old mechanical keyboard she no longer needs.
i will become a god in this game when it arrives!
i will become a god in this game when it arrives!
@Tanzklaue I don't know why but your remark reminds me of people who get really expensive tablets to "improve their art" lol
did anyone else get fucked in the ass by hextracoin or bitpetite
bitpetite advertised themselves with the promise of a daily 4,5% return on your capital. If thats not the most obvious ponzi-scheme out there, then I don't know what is. All it takes is one look at their claims, and you know to stay away from it.lol wrote:
did anyone else get fucked in the ass by hextracoin or bitpetite
I don't know how you could be so stupid. Ponzi pulled that shit in the 1920s, and people today are still falling for the same trick, I don't know how anybody in their right mind could go for this.
YOU of all people with all your criminal energy, I'd expect you to be one of the guys behind bitpetite if anything. How did this even happen? Did you gamble that you could make your money back before they take it all and run?
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every ot politics posters should get death penalty tbh
A safer bet than investing in health insuranceRailey2 wrote:
Did you gamble that you could make your money back before they take it all and run?
Oh god
Health insurance isn't about getting your money back. It's a deal you make, hoping that you WONT get more than your moneys worth back... because if you do, that will most likely mean that you got hit by a truck. You don't "invest" in health insurance hoping that it will "pay off", lmao.
Health insurance isn't about getting your money back. It's a deal you make, hoping that you WONT get more than your moneys worth back... because if you do, that will most likely mean that you got hit by a truck. You don't "invest" in health insurance hoping that it will "pay off", lmao.
I can't tell if you knew I was joking or not
Railey is ready for everything.
Or maybe he was hallucinating and thought you were Jordan or whoever would actually support that standpoint.
Or maybe he was hallucinating and thought you were Jordan or whoever would actually support that standpoint.
I appreciate Railey taking offhand remarks seriously like that. Several times I have made serious enquires that were taken to be a joke only to be dismissed offhand.
invest in life insurance?
brb gonna buy some rope
brb gonna buy some rope
i didnt lend to bitpetite but some of my group were 20k deepRailey2 wrote:
bitpetite advertised themselves with the promise of a daily 4,5% return on your capital. If thats not the most obvious ponzi-scheme out there, then I don't know what is. All it takes is one look at their claims, and you know to stay away from it.lol wrote:
did anyone else get fucked in the ass by hextracoin or bitpetite
I don't know how you could be so stupid. Ponzi pulled that shit in the 1920s, and people today are still falling for the same trick, I don't know how anybody in their right mind could go for this.
CHILL ur shit pikey
This is basically what im doing with regalcoin and bcc, i am 35k deep in this bitch but bcc seems to be in for the long run so not worriedRailey2 wrote:
YOU of all people with all your criminal energy, I'd expect you to be one of the guys behind bitpetite if anything. How did this even happen? Did you gamble that you could make your money back before they take it all and run?
I have no doubt all my regalcoin money is gone its the dodgiest shit ive ever seen but i fucking love it
that would still be a better investment than a tablet for just osu.Milkshake wrote:
@Tanzklaue I don't know why but your remark reminds me of people who get really expensive tablets to "improve their art" lol
I upgraded to a tablet to improve my penis drawing during song breaks.
I invest in potatos
I bought 250 mini green raptors when they were still available because i knew they would be removed from the loottable as soon as the halloween update was released. They increased from about 1.2g each to over 3g each. I wish i bought like 2k of them, but oh well.
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I invest in potatos
what's your point, we should overlook it because he said that he's not perfect before?B1rd wrote:
Do you have something against Jordan Peterson?
https://youtu.be/GJJClhqGq_M?t=54m35s
We should like him more because he's such a humble person?
Some people manage to be humble while also sometimes saying stupid things?
That's all nice, but that doesn't change the fact that the tweet is dumb af. His reaction was hysterical and probably uninformed, all the criticism he gets for that is justified, whether he proclaimed to be fallible beforehand or not.
What was hysterical? I'm not particularly informed on the incident but it seems like a classic case of censorship to me.
And if he were to say something stupid, what criticism does he deserve? Certainly not a "ha look at this thing you said, therefore everything else you said is invalid" type remark. It is cowardly behaviour used by people trying to discredit someone because they can't battle with him in the intellectual arena. That type of low behaviour deserves more criticism than someone making an uninformed remark. People make mistakes all the time, as long as someone is willing to admit they were wrong there is nothing bad about that.
In other words, it's just an asinine social media circlejerk that doesn't bear paying any attention to. When you criticise someone you should take in their main points, not attempt to undermine them and assassinate their character over trivial things.
And if he were to say something stupid, what criticism does he deserve? Certainly not a "ha look at this thing you said, therefore everything else you said is invalid" type remark. It is cowardly behaviour used by people trying to discredit someone because they can't battle with him in the intellectual arena. That type of low behaviour deserves more criticism than someone making an uninformed remark. People make mistakes all the time, as long as someone is willing to admit they were wrong there is nothing bad about that.
In other words, it's just an asinine social media circlejerk that doesn't bear paying any attention to. When you criticise someone you should take in their main points, not attempt to undermine them and assassinate their character over trivial things.
Accusing someone who took down a twitter account for 10 minutes of committing a "treasonous act" is ridiculous. That's my critique, and it should need no spelling out. Vipper said "lol" to that, and thats also exactly my reaction. Lol, this is stupid. "Censorship", as if this was some sort of planned attack on Trump and his supporters? Ridiculous. It was resolved after 10 minutes.
And no I don't always have to attack their main points, I can criticise someone for whatever I want to criticise them for, as long as it's justified. It clearly is justified here, because as I said before, his tweet was more than silly.
Nobody here said anything about him therefore being wrong as a whole. I agree doing that would be dumb as well. Overall I actually like Peterson more than I dislike him, sometimes he says things that I think are pretty outlandish and unfounded, but he seems mostly alright. He clearly is an intellectual in every sense of the word and I mean that as a compliment, no doubt about that.
And no I don't always have to attack their main points, I can criticise someone for whatever I want to criticise them for, as long as it's justified. It clearly is justified here, because as I said before, his tweet was more than silly.
Nobody here said anything about him therefore being wrong as a whole. I agree doing that would be dumb as well. Overall I actually like Peterson more than I dislike him, sometimes he says things that I think are pretty outlandish and unfounded, but he seems mostly alright. He clearly is an intellectual in every sense of the word and I mean that as a compliment, no doubt about that.
Still real talk here fuxck
What does he say that's outlandish? He talks a lot in metaphors and symbolism, it only sounds outlandish if you take it literally.
If he doubled down on the statements, that would be silly. As it is, seems he deleted it quickly after posting, and that's not something to make an issue over. But it's not a criticism in good faith, just look at the Twitter account, it's just a bunch of left-wingers having an obnoxious circlejerk making fun of people they don't like. Just look at the crap on there https://twitter.com/21logician/status/9 ... 0138731520. And obviously when you engage in character assassination, you don't spell out what you're doing. It's implied.
If he doubled down on the statements, that would be silly. As it is, seems he deleted it quickly after posting, and that's not something to make an issue over. But it's not a criticism in good faith, just look at the Twitter account, it's just a bunch of left-wingers having an obnoxious circlejerk making fun of people they don't like. Just look at the crap on there https://twitter.com/21logician/status/9 ... 0138731520. And obviously when you engage in character assassination, you don't spell out what you're doing. It's implied.
I find it hysterical that these people believe they are all so vilified that they perceive anything to be a malicious attack on their personal freedom. Of course this is true for those who land on both sides.
Talking about political stuff, it's been really funny seeing the SJW gaming forum Neogaf disintegrate. It's poetic justice that the owner of a site that advocates for the automatic presumption of guilt in cases of rape accusations loses millions due to a sexual assault allegation that he denies. And in terms of repression of speech, that place put Stalinist Russia to shame.
Behaviour like this is basically straight out of Rules For Radicals. It's subversive and insidious, not something you should underestimate.
That entire group is out for the repression of personal freedom, no doubt about it.Green Platinum wrote:
I find it hysterical that these people believe they are all so vilified that they perceive anything to be a malicious attack on their personal freedom. Of course this is true for those who land on both sides.
Behaviour like this is basically straight out of Rules For Radicals. It's subversive and insidious, not something you should underestimate.
it's pretentious enough that you can't make a NeoGAF account with a "free" email adress like gmail for some stupid elitist reasons
did that guy just tell someone who was born in the UK and lived there all his life that "the UK isn't really your home"B1rd wrote:
https://twitter.com/21logician/status/927971960138731520
uw0t
like, of course I agree that african americans benefit from living in a 1st world country compared to 3rd world countries. That's obvious, as he said. Whether or not africa as a whole benefitted from white supremacy is a very complex question that probably nobody can answer (what's history's alternative course? Who knows.. but Africa certainly wasn't a paradise before the white man came around and fucked it up either)
but wtf is the rest of the video?
"you will never be an Englishman" Lmao
I'm sorry B1rd, but that guy doesn't need to have his character assassinated, he's already brutally murdering his own character in plain view for everyone to see.
What a shitty "interview" though, the black dude is doing a bad job as well. What a trainwreck. And all of that in less than 4 minutes.
White Nationalists believe in a spiritual "sense of being" related to race. They're nutjobs, pretty muchRailey2 wrote:
did that guy just tell someone who was born in the UK and lived there all his life that "the UK isn't really your home"B1rd wrote:
https://twitter.com/21logician/status/927971960138731520
uw0t
like, of course I agree that african americans benefit from living in a 1st world country compared to 3rd world countries. That's obvious, as he said. Whether or not africa as a whole benefitted from white supremacy is a very complex question that probably nobody can answer (what's history's alternative course? Who knows.. but Africa certainly wasn't a paradise before the white man came around and fucked it up either)
but wtf is the rest of the video?
"you will never be an Englishman" Lmao
I'm sorry B1rd, but that guy doesn't need to have his character assassinated, he's already brutally murdering his own character in plain view for everyone to see.
What a shitty "interview" though, the black dude is doing a bad job as well. What a trainwreck. And all of that in less than 4 minutes.
Green Platinum wrote:
I find it hysterical that these people believe they are all so vilified that they perceive anything to be a malicious attack on their personal freedom. Of course this is true for those who land on both sides.
Something worth saying: Every time you say "Obviously this is both sides" in an attempt to stay away from being too accusational about a certain political "wing", the radicals will simply assume you're talking about their enemies and not themselves. See B1rd's response as the perfect example of this, lol.
There is nothing crazy about having a collective identify related to ethnicity. Go to any other country in the world, you will find this facet of human nature. Just go to Japan and see how easy it is to "become Japanese". White people are notable out of all the races because they are the ones with the least in-group preference. And that's a bad thing because you have to find a balance between collective identity and "tolerance", and at the moment White countries are so far to the latter that they don't even have a preference for their own race, culture and values when accepting immigrants. People like Spencer are more in the extreme end, but its inevitable when there is such a repression of viewpoints as is going on now. I admire his bravery in being able to come out and say stuff despite being a target of vilification from all sides.DaddyCoolVipper wrote:
White Nationalists believe in a spiritual "sense of being" related to race. They're nutjobs, pretty much
The lack of self-awareness is apparent here.DaddyCoolVipper wrote:
Something worth saying: Every time you say "Obviously this is both sides" in an attempt to stay away from being too accusational about a certain political "wing", the radicals will simply assume you're talking about their enemies and not themselves. See B1rd's response as the perfect example of this, lol.
Hope you're not talking about J. Peterson like I was, the only thing I was referring to with the Tweet was the praising of violence against people they don't like.Railey2 wrote:
did that guy just tell someone who was born in the UK and lived there all his life that "the UK isn't really your home"B1rd wrote:
https://twitter.com/21logician/status/927971960138731520
uw0t
like, of course I agree that african americans benefit from living in a 1st world country compared to 3rd world countries. That's obvious, as he said. Whether or not africa as a whole benefitted from white supremacy is a very complex question that probably nobody can answer (what's history's alternative course? Who knows.. but Africa certainly wasn't a paradise before the white man came around and fucked it up either)
but wtf is the rest of the video?
"you will never be an Englishman" Lmao
I'm sorry B1rd, but that guy doesn't need to have his character assassinated, he's already brutally murdering his own character in plain view for everyone to see.
What a shitty "interview" though, the black dude is doing a bad job as well. What a trainwreck. And all of that in less than 4 minutes.
Feels bad about Rhodesia though http://puu.sh/yhwM3/f115b83e69.webm