Most catalonians probably think of the kingdom of Aragon as what Catalonia used to be and it sticked around formally till 1700s
i had a dream you gave me the best dicking of my life so nahAurani wrote:
That's abuse. I demand a divorce.
Hika wrote:
i had a dream you gave me the best dicking of my life so nah
I'll tell you one big reason why regions want to secede. It's the same sentiment that makes people rally against "the welfare state", they simply don't want to pay for their poorer neighbor.Aurani wrote:
So, in your opinion, what would you gain by getting freedom?
The illiberal left strikes again. You think it's okay to use violence against people who just want to be free.DaddyCoolVipper wrote:
The Catalonians aren't actually allowed to vote for independence, it's in the Spanish constitution. It's the same as American states.
Basically, Catalan has no right to hold an illegal referendum for independence, it's essentially an act of rebellion against the Spanish government and will presumably be met with military force
It's all fun and games until you say the same thing to your mom and she takes your computer away.B1rd wrote:
This concept that consent of your rulers is a prerequisite for self-determination is quite funny.
Human rights only exist as an idea, that's the thing, they don't exist like anything that's tangible that you could touch or point towards. You've got it entirely backwards. THE ONLY ENTITY that can grant you something as abstract as "human rights" consitently, is the entity that has enough power to force everyone to consistently live as if the idea of human rights existed like something real.B1rd wrote:
When will people realize that arbitrary rulings of various administrative bodies aren't the source of human rights?
Your "more pertinent question" has no bearing on reality, sadly. The world we live in clearly is one where the state can legitimately subject people to unspeakable tyranny, as they do so frequently. Just ask the people of North Korea. Might does make right (right in the sense of law). You should never forget that. If you do forget it, you might (hah) have to pay for it dearly.B1rd wrote:
Rather than asking whether natural rights exist or not, the more pertinent question is whether they should exist. And the answer is yes, people should have the right to the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness, and indeed no one needs those things given to them, they already have them without a government. The alternative is that "might makes right', and the state can legitimately subject people to unspeakable tyranny. It's easy to see who's right here when you advocate for people to be shot for the crime of doing nothing but wanting to be left alone.
you're still an idiot lolB1rd wrote:
Rather than asking whether natural rights exist or not, the more pertinent question is whether they should exist. And the answer is yes, people should have the right to the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness, and indeed no one needs those things given to them, they already have them without a government. The alternative is that "might makes right', and the state can legitimately subject people to unspeakable tyranny. It's easy to see who's right here when you advocate for people to be shot for the crime of doing nothing but wanting to be left alone.
Can you teach me on how you can so politically correct in a way that people will believe me?B1rd wrote:
The state is just a group of people, and the beliefs of the people that make up that group and the people around it decide what power that group has. Thus it's everyone's moral imperative to stand up for what's right, even under threat of persecution. Otherwise you end up with what happened in the Soviet Union, where everyone's corporation just made it easier to lead people straight into the gulags. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Oh, hi there.Tupsu wrote:
you're still an idiot lol
I entirely agree with you.B1rd wrote:
The state is just a group of free markets, and the beliefs of the free markets that make up the free market and the free market around it decides what power that free market has. Thus it's everyone's moral imperative to stand up for the free market, even under threat of persecution. Otherwise you end up with what happened in the Soviet Union, where no free market just made it easier to lead people straight into the gulags. The free market must be refreshed from time time with the blood of faux free markets.
don't mind me I'm just here to call bird a dipshitMara wrote:
Oh, hi there.Tupsu wrote:
you're still an idiot lol
"well maybe if you didn't try to further split an already small community with another forum" - loosely paraphrased from ipep, 2017Mara wrote:
I really don't know how to refresh it. I'm clearly not the person for the job, seeing how the another project died on the launch day.
More like about 15. Majority of people are there just for ösy! related news or something and never participate in anything. We're constantly losing members each day since there's nothing interesting to show.Aurani wrote:
the guy who runs a discord of 200+ people
My goal wasn't to split the tuuba's community but simply try to move my own sauna community into forum form. Didn't work.Tupsu wrote:
"well maybe if you didn't try to further split an already small community with another forum" - loosely paraphrased from ipep, 2017
B1rd wrote:
Rather than asking whether natural rights exist or not, the more pertinent question is whether they should exist. And the answer is yes, people should have the right to the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness, and indeed no one needs those things given to them, they already have them without a government. The alternative is that "might makes right', and the state can legitimately subject people to unspeakable tyranny. It's easy to see who's right here when you advocate for people to be shot for the crime of doing nothing but wanting to be left alone.
Please for the love of god don't speak about the Soviet Union when you have no idea what you are talking about lmaoB1rd wrote:
Thus it's everyone's moral imperative to stand up for what's right, even under threat of persecution. Otherwise you end up with what happened in the Soviet Union, where everyone's cooperation just made it easier to lead people straight into the gulags.
very originalB1rd wrote:
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.