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I ONLY JUST SAW THAT ZAIN RENAMED TO KOLUCH I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST SOME FUNNY EDGY POLISH DUDE
The way you both argue against this suggest that you don't understand my reasoning. You could have easily answered all the questions raised in your posts yourselves.
It's completely irrelevant what's being voted on, for that matter. The fact is: Your vote doesn't change the outcome of the election in a meaningful way, and neither does it change how many people "think like that".
And it will never happen that "everyone thinks like that", which is also independent of how I vote. The non-voters will always be something between 30 and 50%, sometimes a bit lower sometimes a bit higher. But you get the point.
I don't really care about recycling because yes you're right: Doesn't really change anything. The only reason I recycle is because not recycling would get me into trouble with the city.
Lol fake money
I still want to live a moral life, so i don't do stuff that I think of as bad (mostly, heh)
Either way: Arguing with "the collective" is pointless because it's another thing that I can't meaningfully affect. If you had understood the argument, you would have understood that too.
If you want to convince me, you either have to argue how the maxim is wrong, or how my vote has a meaningful effect after all. That's the way to go against my argument.
Oh and btw. Voting does matter when it comes to local elections, for example, where only very few people vote. Or elections where you can predict the result to be INCREDIBLY close.
Cheers
Your vote doesn't change anything and you still can't affect how many people abstain, or who these people would vote for if they didn't abstain.B1rd wrote:
If everyone thought like you, then no one would vote or do anything. We wouldn't have the abolition of slavery or equality before the law because everyone would think "well one person isn't going to have an impact so I won't even try". No one votes because they think that their vote will change the outcome of an election, they vote with the confidence that millions of other people will do the same and that way they will effect change (not that I think voting is a good way to do that, but that's besides the point).
It's completely irrelevant what's being voted on, for that matter. The fact is: Your vote doesn't change the outcome of the election in a meaningful way, and neither does it change how many people "think like that".
And it will never happen that "everyone thinks like that", which is also independent of how I vote. The non-voters will always be something between 30 and 50%, sometimes a bit lower sometimes a bit higher. But you get the point.
I don't litter because I don't like seeing litter on the streets, it's ugly. Also: Unlike voting I'm having an immediate effect on other people because SOMEONE has to pick it up at the end of the day.B1rd wrote:
If we look at it in the other way, why don't you litter? You littering isn't going to trash the city. Why do you recycle? You recycling isn't going to have any impact on sustainability. Why don't you print your own fake money? You doing that won't have any noticeable impact on inflation. In the same way that doing bad stuff is still bad even if it's not going to have a large impact by itself, doing good things is still good even if they don't have a big impact by themselves.
I don't really care about recycling because yes you're right: Doesn't really change anything. The only reason I recycle is because not recycling would get me into trouble with the city.
Lol fake money
I still want to live a moral life, so i don't do stuff that I think of as bad (mostly, heh)
Either way: Arguing with "the collective" is pointless because it's another thing that I can't meaningfully affect. If you had understood the argument, you would have understood that too.
If you want to convince me, you either have to argue how the maxim is wrong, or how my vote has a meaningful effect after all. That's the way to go against my argument.
Oh and btw. Voting does matter when it comes to local elections, for example, where only very few people vote. Or elections where you can predict the result to be INCREDIBLY close.
Cheers
Lollol wrote:
I ONLY JUST SAW THAT ZAIN RENAMED TO KOLUCH I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST SOME FUNNY EDGY POLISH DUDE
lol wrote:
I ONLY JUST SAW THAT ZAIN RENAMED TO KOLUCH I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST SOME FUNNY EDGY POLISH DUDE
Aurani wrote:
On further inspection, it seems that my intuition was way off, and the infinitesimal chance that my vote matters actually amounts to something significant when multiplied with the potential benefit, after taking into account the probability of me voting for the wrong candidate.
http://lesswrong.com/lw/fao/voting_is_l ... ollars_to/
@vipper: This might be interesting to you. If you ever encounter something who argues like me, THIS is the resource to refer them to.
To spell out the equation:
Expected value of your vote =
P(vote being decisive)*(expected benefit of the better candidate over the worse candidate)*(P(of me picking the better candidate) - P(of me picking the worse candidate))
also linked in the article. That was essentially the model I had in my mind, although I didn't bother spelling it out or writing it down explicitly (shame for not even bothering to spell it out in this thread). I believed this to amount to almost nothing, rendering voting a useless action. Turns out it almost certainly doesn't amount to nothing.
Guess I'm a voter now. Although certainly not for any of the reasons that were brought forward by B1rd, of which I am still not sure if he understood the argument at all.
http://lesswrong.com/lw/fao/voting_is_l ... ollars_to/
@vipper: This might be interesting to you. If you ever encounter something who argues like me, THIS is the resource to refer them to.
To spell out the equation:
Expected value of your vote =
P(vote being decisive)*(expected benefit of the better candidate over the worse candidate)*(P(of me picking the better candidate) - P(of me picking the worse candidate))
also linked in the article. That was essentially the model I had in my mind, although I didn't bother spelling it out or writing it down explicitly (shame for not even bothering to spell it out in this thread). I believed this to amount to almost nothing, rendering voting a useless action. Turns out it almost certainly doesn't amount to nothing.
Guess I'm a voter now. Although certainly not for any of the reasons that were brought forward by B1rd, of which I am still not sure if he understood the argument at all.
^ fuck that's fire
this thread is becoming uuhhhh a shitty radical centrist circlejerk so please no more politics here. have a nice day.
I normally dislike vocals by FREDERIC seems pretty good
Oh no the Spaghetti guy has an opinion!Jordan wrote:
this thread is becoming uuhhhh a shitty radical centrist circlejerk so please no more politics here. have a nice day.
And there it is, glorious page 3333.
Three is the largest number still written with as many lines as the number represents.
To this day 3 is written as three lines in Roman and Chinese numerals. This was the way the Brahmin Indians wrote it, and the Gupta made the three lines more curved. The Nagari started rotating the lines clockwise and ending each line with a slight downward stroke on the right.
To this day 3 is written as three lines in Roman and Chinese numerals. This was the way the Brahmin Indians wrote it, and the Gupta made the three lines more curved. The Nagari started rotating the lines clockwise and ending each line with a slight downward stroke on the right.
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come join me on the far left frenJordan wrote:
this thread is becoming uuhhhh a shitty radical centrist circlejerk so please no more politics here. have a nice day.
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As the initiator of Page 3333, I declare myself the lifetime president of this page.
Here's your oath lads:
I swear: I will be faithful and obedient to the leader of the German Empire and people, Aurani, to observe the law, remove Blitzfrog, all of his subhuman friends and to conscientiously fulfill my official duties, so help me God.
Here's your oath lads:
I swear: I will be faithful and obedient to the leader of the German Empire and people, Aurani, to observe the law, remove Blitzfrog, all of his subhuman friends and to conscientiously fulfill my official duties, so help me God.
In the news now: the unix timestamp is greater than 1500000000
ssshh the pierogi is trying to act importantAurani wrote:
As the initiator of Page 3333, I declare myself the lifetime president of this page.
Here's your oath lads:
I swear: I will be faithful and obedient to the leader of the German Empire and people, Aurani, to observe the law, remove Blitzfrog, all of his subhuman friends and to conscientiously fulfill my official duties, so help me God.
look back and observe, people. learn.
Faithful and obedient to Merkel, huhAurani wrote:
As the initiator of Page 3333, I declare myself the lifetime president of this page.
Here's your oath lads:
I swear: I will be faithful and obedient to the leader of the German Empire and people, Aurani, to observe the law, remove Blitzfrog, all of his subhuman friends and to conscientiously fulfill my official duties, so help me God.
3 is the number of God
I pledge allegiance.Aurani wrote:
As the initiator of Page 3333, I declare myself the lifetime president of this page.
Here's your oath lads:
I swear: I will be faithful and obedient to the leader of the German Empire and people, Aurani, to observe the law, remove Blitzfrog, all of his subhuman friends and to conscientiously fulfill my official duties, so help me God.
I swear: I will be faithful and obedient to the leader of the German Empire and people, Aurani, to observe the law, remove Blitzfrog, all of his subhuman friends and to conscientiously fulfill my official duties, so help me God.
sorry im just visiting to celebrate the 3334th page of this thread
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do u think that yoshi gets embarrassed when he poos out eggs in front of mario???
sorry if this ofends anyone but i thought it was a funny thing haha
sorry if this ofends anyone but i thought it was a funny thing haha
me irl
So that's why some dude was talking about Scott Pilgrim when I posted it on furry_irlRaspberriel wrote:
wasn't that originally a Scott Pilgrim comic
I hope bronies die
I get this a lot, you should check out my steam profile comments section for more it's like a collection at this point and one I'm particularly proud of.Klocuch12 wrote:
I hope bronies die
bread makes you fatMahogany wrote:
me irl
Good I am underweight and don't eat enough
that was also a scott pilgrim reference
Mahogany wrote:
I get this a lot, you should check out my steam profile comments section for more it's like a collection at this point and one I'm particularly proud of.Klocuch12 wrote:
I hope bronies die