I may have to clarify a few things. It can't be helped when I get little emotional and biased, particularly over a subject like this.Aurani wrote:
I'll have to respectfully disagree with you there, mate.Brian OA wrote:
If we can measure how brave an action is by how frightening the thing they're facing is, then we just have to ask ourselves what's scarier: suicide, or living life? I won't deny suicide is a frightening thing and that it would certainly take a lot of something to carry it out, but I don't think it's scarier. It's just one moment and then that's it. Sure, society frowns upon it, but it's not like you'll have anything to deal with later.
On the other hand, you have a long span of time that takes a lot of effort to deal with since it's full of scary things. Scary things suicide wants to run away from. Like you said, you have a life on your plate that you're not even sure is worth living, yet you see people taking that leap everywhere. They hold on to that hope even when their dreams are crushed, their hearts are broken, the earth beneath their feet crumbles, and everything they love dwindles away. They face their feelings of inadequacy, anxiety, fear, loneliness, and uncertainty every goddamn day; it doesn't just stop because nobody is ever past that. They don't win every time, seek others for help, and even give up sometimes, but they never quit the race.
It's only when you see your life as a pointless waste of time rather than hoping for something that you can say you might as well just drop dead. In fact, you can only find joy when you're doing the latter.
Nonetheless, I've said my share on the matter. So, if you ask me, holding on to that weight is truly commendable.
The focal point of your first paragraph was that suicide is easier to handle because you don't have to face any consequences, but we know nothing about the afterlife, so you cannot truly claim that is the case. What's more, anyone who has ever dealt with suicidal thoughts can tell you that suicide does NOT take just one moment. Sure, you were referring to the action itself, but even that is, in most cases, not true; people tend to linger onto life until the mental illness completely and utterly destroys any kind of capability to think rationally, unless the person just doesn't give a single fuck about life itself - but we could argue that those kind of people usually have more problems than just suicidal thoughts.
You're giving life far too much weight in that argument as well. Like I said, you have no basis other than your ideals to claim that life is hard and that suicide is "the easy way out". That uncertainty does not make a good foundation for an argument, mate.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that suicide is a good thing, even if I do not share the thoughts of people who give it far too little credit. I think that life is worth TRYING to live, because unless you get reborn or somehow brought into another reality, you won't get to taste life as it is. You better have a VERY good reason as to why you'd skip half the game willingly, as life is a game very much worth playing, and having goals defines what route you're taking.
My first paragraph is about how suicide is easier because you don't have to face life's consequences. That's what you're trying to get away from. While the afterlife dealio is a fair point, it's a can of worms I'd rather not open because it would expand into a tangent. It's just not my point.
I'm not trying to downplay suicide, honestly. I know I want to, but I know it's a long string of despair and uncertainty leading up to one point. And that's it: all of it boils down to the one moment. That's what decides it all; what it all boils down to. We might be defining them differently, but anything else than carrying out that action is just dealing with life itself. You are still alive, thus you are living, and thus you are dealing with life and not death. That's also why I stand by saying life is harder: you have the suicidal thoughts when you feel that life is harder and more frightening than death. In other words, they must have more problems than just suicidal thoughts. Problems that must be and are a part of life. That's why I'm giving life so much weight.
