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UnderminE

Noobita wrote:

Didn't see anywhere that it says "Religious ranking" or "Cultural ranking"...
Live here for a while and see how politic things go around here, then you will understand what I tried to say.

Anyways had a discussion with boat and we will be fine with being under group B.
Topic Starter
boat
Alright, so the compromise is to move Turkey over to group B. I'm not fond of involving politics into this, but this should do for now and will most likely not be an issue. Undermine confirms that this is a reasonable enough solution.

Direct further concerns to me through in game PMs or send me a private message on the forums. Try to not debate political matters here.
OnosakiHito
Sorry if I just pop in, but I wanted to mention -if it hasn't be already- that it is fine to put the whole balkan together.
I know, there are still people who would be against it(due to history and bla), but actually we share everything together:
- location
- language
- culture
- religion
- food
and more.

We have just a few competitors, e.g. in croatia, serbia or bosnia, which just have like about 3~10 people in every country.
So I would see no reason why not to merge such rankings together.

I like your idea.
UnderminE
Go go #balkan
Lumikki_old
I would put Baltic and Nordic countries together and change the group name to Northern Europe

Reasons:

1. I have heard that Estonians view themselves more Nordic than Baltic (please correct if not true)
2. The population of these countries are quite small.
3. Common history.
4. Similar language. ( Finnish-Estonian, Latvian-Lithuanian, Swedish-Norwegian-Danish...)
Hiryuu_old

Lumikki wrote:

I would put Baltic and Nordic countries together and change the group name to Northern Europe

Reasons:

1. I have heard that Estonians view themselves more Nordic than Baltic (please correct if not true)
2. The population of these countries are quite small.
3. Common history.
4. Similar language. ( Finnish-Estonian, Latvian-Lithuanian, Swedish-Norwegian-Danish...)
I approve of this.

@Lumikki that is kind of true indeed we view ourselves more with Nordic than Baltic (afaik). Also, if to take a view upon the statistics of abroad estonians going to Baltic or Nordic, the majority of estonians prefer going to either Finland or Sweden to work and live there, instead of Latvia or Lithuania, it's also safe to say that there's a lot of estonians in Finland. Quite many have also started going towards Sweden, but that's what I've heard.
Lumikki_old

ShinseinaTenshi wrote:

Lumikki wrote:

I would put Baltic and Nordic countries together and change the group name to Northern Europe

Reasons:

1. I have heard that Estonians view themselves more Nordic than Baltic (please correct if not true)
2. The population of these countries are quite small.
3. Common history.
4. Similar language. ( Finnish-Estonian, Latvian-Lithuanian, Swedish-Norwegian-Danish...)
I approve of this.

@Lumikki that is kind of true indeed we view ourselves more with Nordic than Baltic (afaik). Also, if to take a view upon the statistics of abroad estonians going to Baltic or Nordic, the majority of estonians prefer going to either Finland or Sweden to work and live there, instead of Latvia or Lithuania, it's also safe to say that there's a lot of estonians in Finland. Quite many have also started going towards Sweden, but that's what I've heard.
I'm glad you agree with me.

Yes, I can confirm that there are many Estonians here, particularly in the town I live in :) I also remember that many Estonians immigrated to Sweden during the past. Baltic countries as well as Finland have been under the Russian and Swedish rule during the history so I do not see why they cannot be in the same group. Also all these countries have very good relations with each other.
Topic Starter
boat

Lumikki wrote:

Reasons:
1. I have heard that Estonians view themselves more Nordic than Baltic (please correct if not true)
This is not quite a valid argument. By all means, I wouldn't mind adding more countries to us, but this is merely opinions and doesn't have anything to do with geography.

ShinseinaTenshi wrote:

Also, if to take a view upon the statistics of abroad estonians going to Baltic or Nordic, the majority of estonians prefer going to either Finland or Sweden to work and live there, instead of Latvia or Lithuania
This isn't as much a preference as simply some nordic countries, particularly Norway and Finland having good amounts of jobs available. Estonia is not alone on that front. This isn't a valid argument either.

Nonetheless, if we're to go by the UN definition, then you are a part of "Northern Europe" as well and as such the proposal is valid, I'll add it to the list as an alternative.
silmarilen
if this is going to end up like a "lets put countrys that are geographically near eachother" instead of a "lets put countrys with litle players where it makes sense together" i would just prefer to stay as a single country
Topic Starter
boat
The correlation between countries must make sense mainly geographically. You can't just slap countries together because somebody "wants to". Subjective reasons don't make sense to everybody.

As much as I'd like having the choice of selecting what countries to filter, the proposed idea is for regional rankings and as such grouping into regions should be the way to go. If there is some grouping in particular which you're not fond of, feel free to let me know.
silmarilen
what i mean is that if countrys dont need to be put together because they have plenty of people in their country ranking you shouldnt put them with other countrys just because they are close to eachother
Topic Starter
boat
If you'd read the op you would know that no country where the current feature works well has an obligation to be merged with a region, and as such chances are they will be left alone.

I don't got peppys final word on it, but at least my plan was to fix the issues for those who has them.
Lumikki_old

boat wrote:

This is not quite a valid argument. By all means, I wouldn't mind adding more countries to us, but this is merely opinions and doesn't have anything to do with geography.
If the capitals of the countries ( Helsinki and Tallinn) are only 80km away from each other and that's not geographically close? I know there is a small gulf between that could make the distance look longer than it really is. It seems you are somewhat against to see Estonian/Latvian/Lithuanian rankings in your area. In this Baltic region there are barely 6 million inhabitants, so it would be nonsense to make them as their own group compared to something like Middle East groups.

boat wrote:

Nonetheless, if we're to go by the UN definition, then you are a part of "Northern Europe" as well and as such the proposal is valid, I'll add it to the list as an alternative.
Thank you. I would also make lots of changes to Middle East groups, esp concerning Israel, which is not in a good terms most of the countries in the same group. Also I would add Cyprus to same list where Turkey ( or Greece, didn't see it anywhere) is since common language and culture. Also maybe Arab-countries would be nicer to be in the same list as well as all Turkic ones.

Just advising...
Topic Starter
boat
Politics and personal issues should not be brought into a game. I already due to request moved Turkey, if anybody from any of those respective countries has further issues concerning this they are free to contact me personally about it, and I'll look into ways to change it, but keep it as objective as possible.

Nevertheless, I can not guarantee everybody being satisfied nor am I ultimately in charge of how we're to go on about things.

Lumikki wrote:

If the capitals of the countries ( Helsinki and Tallinn) are only 80km away from each other and that's not geographically close?
This is not what I replied to.
Shohei Ohtani

CDFA wrote:

this is like exactly the reason why grouping big countries is bad

With countries with less than 100 active players, they won't really care too much about being put into a general group

but when combining really active areas, it's like they don't want to be combined because they already have decent country rankings.
Yukiteru Amano
Keep country ranking and make a new regional ranking system... So you can still compare to your country but regional as well.
Topic Starter
boat

CDFA wrote:

this is like exactly the reason why grouping big countries is bad

With countries with less than 100 active players, they won't really care too much about being put into a general group

but when combining really active areas, it's like they don't want to be combined because they already have decent country rankings.
Why do you force me to repeat myself again? What's your definition of a "big country"? Sweden has more active players than close to all of the ones I've listed, but sure as hell has a big issue with the country rank feature. I'm pretty sure said 100 players would be happy to have at least something to compare to.

This feature is to get rid of the issue for those who has it, including those who it works fine for is obviously nether necessary nor planned.

peppy wrote:

make a list of which countries should be grouped into regions where necessary
If it works for a country then that's great, but if it doesn't I see little reason for why you wouldn't want it. If you like comparing only to a select few you could just as well add them to your friendslist and filter that, leaving the feature available to those who want it.
Luvdic
Latin American Minorities:

Belice
Bolivia
Colombia
Costa Rica
Cuba
Ecuador
El Salvador
Guatemala
Haití
Honduras
Nicaragua
Panamá
Paraguay
Perú
República Dominicana
Uruguay
Venezuela

Around ~26k active players, not sure if that's too big, on which case it could be splitted in the following two:

South american minorities, around ~18k active players:

Bolivia
Colombia
Ecuador
Paraguay
Perú
Uruguay
Venezuela

Central America and the Caribbean, around ~8k active players

Belice
Costa Rica
Cuba
El Salvador
Guatemala
Haití
Honduras
Nicaragua
Panamá
República Dominicana

But then central america region will still have too few players
ethox
Finns are cool going on a lootfest together with the rest of the vikings. Poll I put up gave out a ratio of 2:1, a clear majority supports the idea.
Auxtrious
It's alright
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