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No_Gu
>: enough good for me
a star instead of my mod
-kevincela-
[General]

  1. Why does the spinner finish at 02:49:570 - ? It would actually go much better if moved 1/1 later, considering that the piano phrase starts here, and following it with this spinner is the best option, imho.
[Normal]

  1. 00:24:894 (1,2,3) - Considering how the piano chords go there, I would personally restructure the pattern to follow them correctly. The current pattern is ok, though I think 00:25:355 (2) - really semplifies too much the pattern... What about instead using 2 1/1 sliders separated by a 1/2 space? If done well, this follows really well the piano, and plays nice as well! Here's what I have done, see if you like it!

    SPOILER

    328,36,24432,1,0,0:0:0:0:
    244,44,24894,6,0,P|220:76|207:108,1,75.000002861023,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    204,148,25586,2,0,P|172:168|120:172,1,75.0000028610231,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    88,244,26509,2,0,L|96:296,1,37.5000014305115,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
  2. 00:28:586 (5) - Not really a big issue, though a New Combo here would work really well, considering it starts a new piano phrase, preventing your combo here from being too long. Try it out!
  3. 00:32:509 (2,3) - Hmm... Why did you separate the two sliders in red ticks? I personally don't think this is a great idea, as it follows just the weak beats of the piano instead of the strong ones, making it kinda strange and unpleasing to play... What about instead making 00:32:509 (2) - 1/2 shorter, so that you can move 00:34:125 (4) - 1/2 forward (making it 1/2 shorter as well) and adding a note at 00:33:663 - ? I think it plays way better than your actual setting.
  4. 00:44:509 (3) - Another minimal rhythm changement... What do you think about using instead a pattern with a 1/1 slider combined with a 3/2 one? Imho it really goes great, considering how the song plays here... Here's an example of what I mean there:
  5. 01:10:812 (3) - Imho you should remove the whistle at the end of the slider. If you hear carefully, you can hear that there is no real high-pitch piano chord there, so I guess you should leave this blank to emphatize instead the other chords. Your choice, though!
  6. 01:35:159 - Please, use at least a 15~20% volume section here instead, as the notes here are almost silenced, which is really bad. I think having a 20% volume section here instead would go great.
  7. 02:24:659 (2,3,4,5) - This arc could really be rearranged better... While it isn't that bad, it isn't really that smooth to play... I would rearrange the whole arc making it more curved, so that it totally follows 02:26:043 (5) - , making it really smoother to play. Here's what I have done: see if you like it!
    SPOILER

    68,148,144659,1,2,0:0:0:0:
    52,256,145120,1,2,0:0:0:0:
    140,324,145582,1,2,0:0:0:0:
    244,288,146043,2,0,P|320:293|361:311,1,100,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    394,310,146735,2,0,L|423:255,1,50,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    436,156,147428,6,0,L|416:100,2,50,2|2|2,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    396,196,148120,2,0,L|280:184,1,100,4|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
[Hard]

  1. 00:31:586 (1) - Here I would see a New Combo really good, rather than the one at 00:32:740 (3) - ... While I get your intentions on what you are following here, I think this new combo arrangement isn't so great, instead I think that having one of them here and removing the one from 00:32:740 (3) - would follow better the piano chords.
  2. 00:32:509 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - As in the normal diff, this arch could have been made definitely smoother... It doesen't really flow so smooth actually :\ With some tweaking and rotating instead you could get a really better arch: here's what I have done, see if you like it!
    SPOILER

    120,248,32509,1,0,0:0:0:0:
    156,292,32740,1,2,0:0:0:0:
    208,312,32971,1,2,0:0:0:0:
    264,320,33202,1,2,0:0:0:0:
    324,312,33432,1,2,0:0:0:0:
    376,292,33663,2,0,P|408:245|413:218,2,56.2500021457673,2|0|0,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    264,320,34586,2,0,P|231:366|226:393,2,56.2500021457673,0|2|2,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
  3. 00:36:663 (x)- Please, consider at least adding a note here. It just goes perfectly with your pattern as it follows the piano transition, and as you have done it in the following patterns as well it wouldn't really hurt to add one here as well, considering it fits really good with the piano.
  4. 00:49:632 - As the Normal diff, please make this section with at least 10~15% of volume.
  5. 00:54:530 (3) - A whistle at the head of this slider would really fit perfectly, considering that it's almost as high-pitched as 00:54:991 - , so adding a whistle here would emphatize both of them perfectly! Remember that the same applies for 01:58:582 (4) - and 01:53:735 (3) - !
  6. 00:55:453 (4) - Same as 00:31:586 (1) - , considering that here begins a new piano phrase I would see really good a New Combo... So why not adding it? It would go really well here, even pattern-wise :D
  7. 00:59:376 (4,5,6,7,8) - Your hitsound pattern here goes quite wrong, as you are using just a whistle at 01:00:761 (6) - , which doesen't follow well the piano chords here at all. What about instead using whistles on all the slider 00:59:376 (4) -, on 01:00:530 (5) - and on 01:00:991 (7) - 's beginning and ending? It would go really good! I have made the blanket here better as well, see if you like it :D
    SPOILER

    172,352,59376,2,0,P|124:292|148:224,2,150,2|2|2,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    248,340,60530,1,2,0:0:0:0:
    200,280,60761,1,0,0:0:0:0:
    220,208,60991,2,0,P|205:175|167:148,2,75,2|0|2,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    200,280,61684,1,0,0:0:0:0:
  8. 01:03:068 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - As 00:32:509 (2,3,4,5,6,7) -, you could smooth out the flow here by using another smoother arc there... I'm quite sure it goes really better than your actual pattern! Here's what I have done, see if you like it!
    SPOILER

    316,88,63068,1,0,0:0:0:0:
    248,52,63299,1,0,0:0:0:0:
    172,56,63530,1,0,0:0:0:0:
    104,92,63761,1,0,0:0:0:0:
    64,160,63991,1,0,0:0:0:0:
    40,236,64222,2,0,L|24:320,2,75,0|4|0,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
  9. 01:53:735 (3) - What about using CTRL+G on the top of this slider? It would gust go perfect, as it follows really better 01:53:735 (3) - 's track and as it fixed the spacing problem at 01:54:659 (1) - that is quite flow-breaking. Imho, I think this is the best option you have to fix it here!
And that's all. Call me back when you are done!
Topic Starter
Leader
Applied everything from Kevin's mod and almost everything from Natsu's, thank you!

Also, thanks to No_Gu for star ><
UnderminE
Loving this, gonna mod it soon

Before mod let me tell you something, as far as I know this belongs dai, not zts so you should remove zts from tags. It is pointless, they are different composers.

Normal
00:34:125 (4) - End this slider on white tick: 00:34:586 -
02:21:889 - after this point, you can use your whistles a bit more louder since the piano sounds loud

Hard
01:03:068 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - needs whistle
02:21:889 - after this point, you can use your whistles a bit more louder since the piano sounds loud
02:31:351 (3,4) - looks ugly

Nice one, gogo
Kodora
mod as promiced >_>

omg, Hard with Hard icon? So epic.

[Hard]

Raise HP drain by 1 tick? This is hardest diff in mapset, and it feels so easy righ now.

  1. 00:25:586 (2) - whistle on beginning of slider instead of finish?
  2. 00:26:971 (4) - whistle at the end of slider?
  3. 00:27:894 (5) - This confusing me a bit. How about swap new combo with next note to make it follow pattern here?
  4. 00:28:817 (4) - Whistle on reverse is unneeded imo.
  5. 00:31:125 - feels empty, how about add note here + whistle?
  6. 00:32:281 - ^
  7. 00:33:663 (7) - whistle to the end of slider
  8. 00:49:125 (3,1,1) - please keep them with same spacing. it is really hard to catch rhytm here due to bpm change and not same spacing makes it much more harder.
  9. 01:03:299 (4,6) - try to add whistles at this notes + whistle at 01:04:222 (8) - (to slider end). Sounds good, imo.
  10. 01:07:120 (4) - add whistle, and if you accept this, remove whistle from 01:07:351 (5) - and add finish instead and add whistle at 01:08:043 (6) - imo it sounds better
  11. 01:12:428 (4) - try to add finish to head of slider and whistle to the end
  12. 01:13:351 (1) - whistle to the end of slider
  13. 01:15:197 (1) - ^
  14. 01:17:966 (1) - 5% is still too much audible for such quiet part like this. add empty "soft-hitnormal3.wav" and use it on spinner's end as custom sample.
  15. 01:21:197 (2) - whistle on reverse is unneeded imo
  16. 01:22:120 - here definitely should be something audible. try to change the whole pattern or just add storyboarded whistle.
  17. 01:23:735 (3,4,5) - i'd add new combos to all those notes to emphazire spacing/rhytm changes
  18. 01:27:428 (3) - remove whistle from head of slider
  19. 01:30:659 (1) - add whistle
  20. 01:34:351 (1) - add finish, silencing end of spinner is unneeded here imo, just reduse volume to ~20%
  21. 01:52:351 (5) - add whistle
  22. 01:56:966 (7) - remove whistle
  23. 01:57:659 (9,1) - swap nc please follow pattern
  24. 01:58:351 (3) - change whistle to finish to keep your hitsounds patterns consistent
  25. 02:00:197 (7) - please ctrl+h it and back to the current position for better flow
  26. 02:01:351 (1) - whistle to the end of slider
  27. 02:02:274 (2) - remove whistle from reverse
  28. 02:03:428 (4) - finish to the end of slider instead of whistle?
  29. 02:05:735 (3) - whistle instead of finish
  30. 02:07:120 (5) - why whistle here?
  31. 02:08:274 (3) - remove whistle from end of slider. and maybe add finish?
  32. 02:11:735 (6) - remove whistle
  33. 02:17:043 (1) - same as 01:17:966
  34. 02:18:889 - raise volume, i can barely hear hitsounds here (to ~50%)
  35. 02:24:197 (1,2,3,4) - silence ends of all this slider or just better replace it with notes, song didnt call for sliders here (lol)
  36. 02:33:428 (1) - silence slidertick, it sounds ugly
  37. 02:37:812 (3) - add whistle
  38. 02:40:120 (6,7,8) - please stack this notes to make this pattern looks more pretty
  39. 02:46:582 (1) - add finish to end of spinner
[Normal]

  1. 00:21:663 (2) - remove whistle
  2. 00:23:509 (4) - same (from head of slider]
  3. 00:40:125 (2) - whistle to the end of slider
  4. 00:52:222 (2) - ^
  5. 01:08:966 (4) - ^
  6. 01:17:851 (1) - silence it as i suggested on Hard diff
  7. 02:17:043 (1) - ^
Good luck.
Topic Starter
Leader
fixed every hitsounds suggestion and some pattern suggestion, thank you
Mirage
Maddy's Mod
(S) ~ Suggestion
(C) ~ Something you should change
(A) ~ Important \ Unrankable

Normal
C ~ 00:49:632 - Metti uno slider qua pls
S ~ 00:57:068 - Prova http://puu.sh/3PiNH.jpg
C ~ 01:04:453 (5) - NC
S ~ 01:10:351 (2) - Cambia NC in questa nota
S ~ 01:16:351 (1) - NC
S ~ 01:17:274 (5) - Fallo parallelo a quello prima
S ~ 01:23:735 (4) - NC
S ~ 01:33:197 (3) - Fallo parallelo a quello prima
S ~ 01:59:735 - Metti NC qua
S ~ 02:02:274 (3) - Togli NC qua
S ~ 02:03:428 (1) - Adda qua xd
S ~ 02:09:428 (2) - La NC andrebbe qua
S ~ 02:20:505 (4) - NC
S ~ 02:26:043 (5) - NC
S ~ 02:27:428 (1) - Togli NC
S ~ 02:28:120 - Aggiungi
S ~ 02:38:505 (4) - ^
S ~ 02:39:659 (2) - Fallo parallelo pls
S ~ 02:40:812 - Adda una nota
S ~ 02:41:505 - ^
S ~ 02:42:197 - Fai uno slider fino al red tick

Hard
Te la linko in IRC
Topic Starter
Leader

Maddy wrote:

Normal
S ~ 01:17:274 (5) - Fallo parallelo a quello prima Sarai te parallelo plz
And anything else has been fixed~
Mirage
hue
Lally
/me lancia stellina ci voglio essere anche io \o3o/ gogogo <3
-kevincela-
A little recheck has been done, where we have added some whistles and fixed some patterns, now I think this map is ready to go.

Bubbled!

Good map, and good luck in making it ranked!
jericho2442
Got rid of one not needed combo spam and moved one circle in hard abit. Everything else is perfect. Really good job with this, enjoy the rank
Topic Starter
Leader
\:3/

thank you everyone ><
Natsu
Congratz :D/
[CrusadeR]
so fuuuc.... freaking good.
Nemis
Gratz Lead :D
kisata
it's a nice map but...


artist: 07th Expansion

really
Kodora

apaffy wrote:

artist: 07th Expansion

really
Exactly as current title says.

Congratz on rank!
kisata
But I thought dai composed it.

edit: looks like this has been discussed elsewhere before, so I'll drop it

Congratulations on the rank. It's a nice map.
Irreversible
o.o I was the first modder, yay! so proud, gz leader :)
BCI
Leader pro <3333
UnderminE

apaffy wrote:

it's a nice map but...


artist: 07th Expansion

really
We all know about dai zts -45 but it has come like this until now so we are just keeping it up like that after all of those previously ranked Umineko BGMs. Mapper is free to put the true composer's name or just use 07th Expansion.

t/120427&start=0
Andrea
Congrats :)
Ayu
leader y u do this

k i rly promise I'll mod your next map ok
[Luanny]
>Ayu
>promises
lel
and congrats
Oyatsu
Congratz! ~ :D
HeatKai
congrats leadah :D
Topic Starter
Leader

[Luanny] wrote:

>Ayu
>promises
lel
oh crap

Also, thank you everyone~
Dark_Ai
congrats lasagna-chii >w<
Deni
Beautiful map!

Congrats (・ω・*)
BounceBabe
Finally a good map again
Lally
\o3o/ yay Leadah <3
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