14:45 zlfence: 你好..
14:45 Fycho: 你好~
14:47 zlfence: 还记得你在我的第一张图哪里留了言吗？
14:48 zlfence: 我现在基本已经做完了 - -该拉出来见BAT了- -
14:48 zlfence: 能帮忙看下哪里有些小问题么？谢谢 - -
14:50 Fycho: 0,0
14:50 zlfence: 基本已经完成啦- -
14:50 zlfence: http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/142920
14:50 Fycho: redl下让irc了
14:50 zlfence: 真是麻烦你了。。
14:50 Fycho: irc可以不
14:51 zlfence: 稍微看下就可以了
14:51 zlfence: irc是什么？
14:51 Fycho: 就是游戏内直接聊天的mod
14:51 zlfence: OK
14:51 Fycho: 把log po到论坛那张
14:51 zlfence: 这个可以- -
14:51 Fycho: 那种
14:51 zlfence: 知道了
14:52 zlfence: 以前ponper也是这么做的- -
14:53 zlfence: 第一次作图，很蠢，求原谅- -
14:53 Fycho: .....
14:53 Fycho: 图做的好不好又不是对错的 何谈原谅
14:54 zlfence: 我这是怕伤了你的眼睛- -
14:54 Fycho: 那么多BAT在你forum里留言都是你找的？
14:57 zlfence: 那些事BAT？
14:57 zlfence: 不知道啊。。
14:57 zlfence: 我不知道哪些是BAT- - 
14:57 zlfence: 哪里有写着？
14:57 Fycho: 妮妮泡泡之类的
14:57 Fycho: LKs也来了
14:58 zlfence: 嗯，我找的- -
14:59 zlfence: 不过不知道他们是BAT- -
14:59 Fycho: 下不下来。。
15:00 zlfence: 要不我PUUSH给你？
15:00 Fycho: 好 
15:02 zlfence: 他们都给了我好大的帮助，业界良心爱情。
15:02 zlfence: 业界良心- -
15:02 zlfence: http://puu.sh/4bYI7
15:03 zlfence: β君告诉了我好多基础zhishi- -
15:03 Fycho: β君是谁。。
15:03 zlfence: 姿势- -
15:05 zlfence: 妮姆芙- -
15:05 zlfence: 他现在是我的好基友 - -
15:05 zlfence: 等你MOD过来我就不回了，这样排版舒服点..
15:21 *Fycho is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/269185 Kugimiya Rie - Dream On [Hard]]
15:21 Fycho: snap所有绿线 
15:21 Fycho: kiai
15:21 Fycho: 你改了OFFSET 然后绿线没snap
15:22 zlfence: snap ALL THE NOTE 这个选项么？
15:22 Fycho: 不是
15:22 Fycho: 是绿线
15:23 Fycho: inherit section
15:23 Fycho: 所有绿线+8
15:24 Fycho: 不对 不是+8
15:24 Fycho: 你改了bpm？
15:24 Fycho: 把所有绿线手动调到线上
15:24 Fycho: KIAI也要
15:24 zlfence: 嗯
15:24 Fycho: 然后TAGS
15:24 Fycho: EAZY里
15:24 Fycho: 偶像大师 アイドルマスター
15:24 Fycho: 中间两个空格改成一个
15:24 Fycho: TAGS所有难度要相同
15:25 Fycho: 如果改完了最好说声 我可以继续
15:25 zlfence: 手动怎么改绿线？
15:25 Fycho: 如果来不及改就说可以，，然后以后慢慢改也行
15:26 Fycho: 手动改就是把原来的绿线删掉重插
15:26 Fycho: 重新在线上插绿线
15:26 zlfence: 了解！
15:26 zlfence: 马上改好
15:27 Fycho: 这个可能费事 以后在改吧
15:28 Fycho: 然后
15:28 Fycho: 把letterbox去掉
15:28 zlfence: 这个又是啥- -
15:28 Fycho: 所有diff都要去
15:29 Fycho: song setup里
15:29 zlfence: 很抱歉这些知识我不知道，麻烦你了
15:29 Fycho: F6
15:29 Fycho: 按F6
15:29 zlfence: 改好el
15:29 zlfence: 勾去掉了
15:29 Fycho: DESIGN里
15:29 zlfence: 你说SONG SETUP我就知道额
15:29 Fycho: 恩好
15:30 Fycho: 00:15:922 (1) - 
15:31 Fycho: 加个whistle在滑条上
15:31 Fycho: 00:16:394 (2,5) - 和这些统一
15:32 Fycho: 最好及时回复下 我担心又掉线了
15:32 zlfence: 原来的不行么？
15:32 Fycho: 会不知道什么时候突然掉了...
15:32 Fycho: 什么不行
15:32 zlfence: 我觉得原来的也不差吧？
15:33 Fycho: 00:17:811 (1) - 
15:33 Fycho: 因为你这个上面有whistlea
15:33 Fycho: 最好统一下
15:33 Fycho: 当然不统一也没事 随你了
15:33 zlfence: 懂了，这个我自己去搞定
15:33 zlfence: 当初可能是不小心加上去的
15:33 zlfence: 我自己统一下
15:34 Fycho: 00:20:646 (3,4) - 
15:34 Fycho: 00:21:000 (5) - 包好？
15:34 Fycho: 00:22:063 (2,3) - 在同一水平线？
15:34 Fycho: 00:21:590 (1,2,3,4) - 这个形状有点难看 可以做个正方形
15:35 zlfence:   好的，
15:35 zlfence: 我回去琢磨下这里
15:35 zlfence: 请继续
15:36 Fycho: 00:31:274 (2,4) - 这里加了clap
15:36 Fycho: 00:39:305 (2,3,4) - 
15:36 Fycho: 为什么后面没加呢
15:37 Fycho: 00:40:722 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 这两句歌词 音效最好也统一啊
15:38 zlfence:  了解- -
15:39 Fycho: 00:42:612 (6,1) - 分开点=。=
15:39 Fycho: 这里减速不能用原来的spacing了
15:39 zlfence: 看到了
15:40 Fycho: 00:31:983 (4,5) - 00:31:983 (4,5,4,5) - 这两个还是用这样的节奏比较好00:35:762 (4,5) - 
15:40 zlfence: 不在红线上 - -
15:40 Fycho: 跟00:35:762 (4,5) - 一样
15:40 Fycho: 00:41:431 (2) - 加finish
15:40 Fycho: 00:41:903 (4) - ^
15:41 Fycho: 00:43:084 (1) -
15:42 Fycho: 我又掉了?
15:42 Fycho: 最后一条是什么
15:42 zlfence: 最后一句是那里加FINISH
15:42 zlfence: 00:41:431 (2) -  IFNISH
15:42 Fycho: 00:41:903 (4) - 这个也finish
15:43 Fycho: 00:43:084 (1) - 这里试试这样的节奏和排列http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/950928
15:44 Fycho: 00:46:154 (4) - finish
15:44 Fycho: 00:48:989 - 这里加一个1/2滑条跟鼓点
15:45 Fycho: 00:53:713 (1) - finish
15:46 Fycho: 00:56:075 (5) - finish啊
15:46 Fycho: 00:56:429 (7) - 首finish
15:46 Fycho: 感觉这块好多都可以加finish
15:46 Fycho: 00:57:492 (3) - fini
15:46 zlfence: 真的好多
15:46 Fycho: 00:58:436 (6) - 首clap换成finish
15:47 Fycho: 这几句歌词上对称的音效上finish最好也对应了
15:47 Fycho: 同一句歌词哪几个地方的finish
15:47 Fycho: KIAI音效上你想试试2,4白线的clap吗
15:48 Fycho: 想的话我发一个clap给你
15:48 zlfence: 现在NOTE基本没啥问题，音效问题严重-完全不会下
15:48 Fycho: 恩看出来了
15:48 Fycho: 我主要mod 音效
15:48 zlfence: 求发...
15:49 Fycho: 稍等
15:51 Fycho: puu.sh/4bZO9.wav
15:51 Fycho: http://puu.sh/4bZO9.wav
15:51 Fycho: 你看看合适不合适 。。
15:51 zlfence: finish的？
15:52 Fycho: clap
15:52 Fycho: 我觉这曲子很多段应该全白线加clap
15:52 zlfence: 我觉得曲子节奏不错，就是我人太蠢，做不好- -
15:52 Fycho: 01:06:467 (8,1) - 离远点
15:53 Fycho: 容易读出1/2
15:53 Fycho: 或者stack起来
15:53 Fycho: 01:13:080 (2) - 叠好啊
15:53 Fycho: 01:15:442 (1,3) - 故意不叠好吗
15:54 zlfence: OK
15:54 Fycho: 01:16:387 (4,5) - 这两个交换，节奏上先滑条 再note
15:54 Fycho: 要跟鼓音啊  不要盖住
15:54 zlfence: 因为我叠不好，这些细节问题总是做不好
15:55 Fycho: editor不是可以自己stack的吗
15:55 Fycho: 鼠标放附近自动对位的
15:55 Fycho: 如果离的太远可以放近点放note再把 note拖远
15:55 Fycho: 01:16:387 (4,5) - 
15:56 Fycho: 这个你可以尝试把5变成1/2的滑条
15:56 Fycho: 因为中间01:16:860 - 白线上有音
15:56 Fycho: 长滑条有点别扭
15:56 Fycho: 不理解的话就说 我发图给你
15:57 zlfence:  理解- -
15:57 Fycho: 01:27:724 (6) - NC在这里 大白线
15:57 Fycho: 01:28:197 (1) - 不是这里
15:57 Fycho: 01:08:829 (8) - 这个也NC
15:57 zlfence: 拆掉就是了
15:57 Fycho: 变速滑条
15:58 zlfence: 要告诉别人是变速滑条是吧。
15:58 Fycho: NC就可以了
15:59 Fycho: 而且你NC是几根大白线一次？
15:59 Fycho: 有的地方是一根有的地方是两根
16:00 zlfence: 那个我好想不会自动stack- -
16:00 Fycho: 那手慢慢对准或者开格子
16:00 Fycho: 或者你放物件 移到需要对齐的物件附近（时间上），最后在时间轴上拖一下
16:03 Fycho: 。。。
16:04 zlfence: 你掉线了 0 0
16:04 Fycho: 你也掉了啊
16:04 Fycho: 或者你放物件 移到需要对齐的物件附近（时间上），最后在时间轴上拖一下
16:04 Fycho: 最后一句
16:04 zlfence: 不知道为什么会掉- -
16:04 zlfence: 感觉好麻烦你了。
16:05 Fycho:  如果你要用刚才那个clap
16:05 Fycho: 那音效改动就要大点了
16:05 zlfence: 还是不用了- -
16:05 Fycho: 你原来有些拍手可以保留
16:05 Fycho: 不过要用S2
16:06 zlfence: 这样吧，你先MOD完- -
16:06 zlfence: 我慢慢按照你的MOD改- -
16:07 Fycho: 01:37:172 (1) - 从这开始的一大段
16:07 Fycho: 建议跟鼓点啊
16:07 zlfence: 节省你的时间呀，不懂我自己去问就是 - -
16:07 Fycho: 恩好的。。
16:09 Fycho: http://puu.sh/4c0fo.jpg
16:09 Fycho: 只是建议
16:10 Fycho: 01:44:730 (3) - finish
16:10 Fycho: 01:43:785 (3) - 尾finish 和第一段一致  这个不说了
16:10 Fycho: 01:47:801 (3) - 之前这些都是跟的人声，为什么这里不跟了
16:11 Fycho: 最好放到蓝线上来
16:11 Fycho: 01:57:130 - 这里有人声
16:11 Fycho: 01:57:248 (6) - 建议这个从蓝线开始
16:12 zlfence: 听到了- -
16:12 Fycho: http://puu.sh/4c0j8.jpg
16:12 Fycho: 01:58:666 (5) - 
16:12 Fycho: 盖住鼓点不舒服
16:12 Fycho: http://puu.sh/4c0ke.jpg
16:12 Fycho: 试试这个节奏
16:13 Fycho: 基本修改和这个00:43:084 (1) - 一样
16:13 Fycho: 02:03:626 (3) - finish
16:13 Fycho: 02:04:570 (6) - 首^
16:14 Fycho: 02:04:570 (6) - 话说 我自己听了下
16:14 Fycho: 这个结尾的音在1/3线上
16:14 Fycho: 你自己听听看
16:15 Fycho: 02:04:925 (7) - 
16:15 Fycho: 这个后移到大白线
16:15 Fycho: 不对 是小白线
16:15 Fycho: 02:05:043 - 
16:16 zlfence: 不科学，网速傲娇
16:16 zlfence: 最后的几个滑条形状不好看，我觉得好修改- -
16:16 zlfence: 和前面统一点- -
16:16 Fycho: 算了漏掉的 我post的时候你在看吧
16:16 zlfence: 要修改- -
16:16 Fycho: 不重复发了
16:17 Fycho: 马上po了过后你再检查下...
16:17 zlfence:  嗯
16:18 Fycho: 02:12:365 (6) - 
16:18 Fycho: 这个多余
16:18 zlfence: 这样就可以了- -
16:18 Fycho: 02:12:837 - 这里可以add note
16:18 zlfence: 最后请教一个问题
16:18 zlfence: 24clap？
16:19 zlfence: 这个原理不是很懂- -
16:20 Fycho: 什么原理
16:20 zlfence: 那个啥白线24clap- -
16:20 Fycho: 2,4白线加clap音
16:20 Fycho: 作为鼓点
16:21 zlfence: 2,4是什么意思？
16:21 zlfence: 截个图- -
16:21 Fycho: 第二根白线和第四根
16:21 Fycho: 02:09:294 - 比如这个，大白线是第一根
16:21 Fycho: 02:09:767 - 这就是第二根
16:22 Fycho: 02:10:711 - 
16:22 Fycho: 这是第四根
16:22 Fycho: 02:11:184 - 然后这个又是第一根
16:22 zlfence: 了解！
16:22 zlfence: 涨姿势了- 
16:22 zlfence: 懂了- -
16:22 Fycho: 4/4拍的通用
16:22 Fycho: 华尔兹不能。。
16:22 zlfence:  小问题好严重- -
16:23 zlfence: 新手基本都是这样么？
16:23 zlfence: 早知道做简单点了- - 
16:23 zlfence: 如果当初做TV siva -- 
16:23 Fycho: 什么简单点
16:23 zlfence: size- -
16:23 Fycho: 我第一张图靠近4分钟 ...
16:23 zlfence: 既然做了之能做完。
16:24 zlfence: 我冲动了下，第二张图也上传了 - -4分钟。。
16:24 zlfence: 麻婆之路好遥远。
16:25 Fycho: 0.0
16:26 zlfence: Post吧。。
16:26 Fycho: 01:38:825 (5,1) - 离远点
16:26 Fycho: 不继续了吗。。。
16:26 zlfence: 还没做完啊- -
16:26 zlfence: w我以为结束克 0
16:27 Fycho: 第二段kiai复制第一段的？
16:27 Fycho: 如果是最好别这样偷懒没什么好处的。。。那我这块也skip了，修改的话和之前一样
16:28 zlfence: 一半吧。
16:28 zlfence: 我是复制了，然后重新修改了一半。
16:29 Fycho: 说个nazi的
16:29 zlfence: 你就跳过好了
16:29 zlfence: 往下面看 --
16:29 Fycho: 02:28:426 - 这里map下的话然后02:45:196 - 到02:52:754 - 休息时间
16:29 Fycho: 这是nazi
16:29 Fycho: 很nazid 
16:30 Fycho: 03:01:493 (3) - 跟人声的话
16:30 Fycho: 03:01:611 - 
16:30 Fycho: 这里也要
16:30 Fycho: 03:03:146 (5) - ^
16:30 Fycho: 03:05:980 (8) - 
16:30 Fycho: 觉得没有减速的必要
16:31 Fycho: 03:08:815 (3) - 滑条拉拉好
16:31 Fycho: 三点定滑条知道吗
16:31 zlfence:   前面的都减速了
16:31 Fycho: 不要那么多点
16:31 Fycho: 所以前面也没有减速的必要感觉 这里音和之前一样
16:31 zlfence: 会的-
16:32 Fycho: 03:08:815 (3) - l蓝线
16:32 Fycho: 后面不说了自己检查下吧
16:32 zlfence: 01:08:829 (1) - 
16:32 zlfence: 这里啊。因为都是lu的音
16:32 zlfence: 前面都减速而来。
16:32 Fycho: 03:13:302 (1) - 这里把大白线放在尾很别扭
16:32 Fycho: 如果要减速啊 我建议
16:33 Fycho: 03:13:302 (1,2) - 这两个合并为一个 减速
16:33 Fycho: 02:22:049 (4,5) - 
16:33 Fycho: 这里请跟人声
16:33 Fycho: 02:22:285 - 02:22:757 - 也减速
16:33 Fycho: 对应段
16:34 Fycho: 01:16:387 (4,5) - 这里也是
16:34 Fycho: 不过这里刚才好像说过01:16:860 - 这个音漏了
16:34 Fycho: 你cut短了跟鼓点了
16:34 zlfence: 了解。
16:34 zlfence: 跟Vocal
16:34 Fycho: 03:15:428 (1) - 这个转盘啊
16:35 Fycho: 03:17:908 - 03:20:152 - 放在这里
16:35 zlfence: 这个怎么。
16:35 Fycho: 03:15:428 - 03:17:790 - 用滑条和note代替
16:35 Fycho: 这个强烈推荐fix
16:36 zlfence: fix？？？
16:36 Fycho: 修改
16:36 zlfence: OK
16:36 Fycho: 03:17:790 - 转盘跟人声 这个la~
16:36 Fycho: 其他基本类似的问题 自己check一边吧
16:36 Fycho: 一遍8
16:36 zlfence:  基本都是小问题？
16:37 Fycho: e恩
16:37 zlfence: 没特别严重的吧？
16:37 Fycho: 小问题很多 变成大问题了
16:37 Fycho: 节奏 音效不对应 不对称 。
16:37 Fycho: 排列上的细节 spacing
16:37 Fycho: 滑条美观
16:37 Fycho: 大体上要是第一张图的话这算水平很高了
16:37 zlfence: 回去继续默默的修改- -
16:37 *Fycho is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/269186 Kugimiya Rie - Dream On [Normal]]
16:38 Fycho: 下面normal
16:38 zlfence: 音效苦手..
16:38 Fycho: 感觉你easy略难啊啊
16:38 Fycho: 和normal比起来区分不大
16:38 Fycho: 最好降降easy的星
16:38 zlfence: - -
16:38 Fycho: 降到两星或者更少
16:39 Fycho: 00:16:867 (3) - 
16:39 Fycho: normal
16:39 Fycho: 折返箭头没对上音
16:39 zlfence: 算简单的吧- -
16:39 zlfence: 我试过给玩了1,2天的人玩，基本都有95以上ACC- -
16:39 Fycho: http://puu.sh/4c0Yi.jpg
16:39 zlfence: 所以难度就不改了- -
16:39 Fycho: 试试这个
16:40 Fycho: 给玩家玩当然可以。。但是rank要讲究个什么diff spread
16:40 Fycho: 当然不修改也可以
16:41 Fycho: 以后做的时候可以稍微 注意下
16:41 zlfence: 先放置吧- -
16:41 Fycho: normal
16:41 Fycho: 节奏。。刚才那图
16:41 zlfence: 嗯，知道了，
16:41 Fycho: 00:31:038 (8,1) - 交换nc啊
16:41 Fycho: nc推荐在大白线
16:42 Fycho: 大白线上加个finish
16:42 Fycho: finish应该还可以加更多和hard一样
16:42 Fycho: 00:37:179 (5) - finish
16:42 Fycho: 00:39:777 (4) - 
16:43 Fycho: 这个应该是蓝线开始啊
16:43 Fycho: 听人声
16:43 Fycho: 00:41:431 (8) - 蓝线结束
16:43 Fycho: 00:42:848 (2) - 
16:44 Fycho: 当然全跟鼓点也可以
16:44 zlfence: N难度我基本跟鼓点了- -
16:44 Fycho: 00:39:777 (4) - 这个滑条 你开头明明是跟的人声
16:44 Fycho: 跟鼓点应该00:40:013 - 
16:44 Fycho: 这里开始
16:45 Fycho: 00:40:722 (5,6,7) - 这三个也是跟的人声啊
16:45 Fycho: 要跟鼓点一个note就够了
16:45 zlfence: 总会有那么几个的- -
16:45 Fycho: 00:41:431 (8) - 然后这突然跟着鼓点会别扭
16:45 Fycho: 用pop那句话。。。跟的轨就跟定了
16:45 Fycho: 别变来变去
16:45 Fycho: 打着不舒服i
16:45 zlfence: 是因为稍微跟E难度区别一下- -
16:46 Fycho: 一会鼓点一会人声，打着难受
16:46 zlfence: 妮姆芙说要灵活shiyong- -
16:46 zlfence: 使用。。
16:46 Fycho: 00:42:612 (1) - 
16:46 Fycho: 跟鼓点的话这个应该在大白线
16:46 Fycho: 而不是大白线空着
16:46 Fycho: 妮妮说的那个要有足够经验啊
16:46 zlfence: 我注意下。
16:46 Fycho: 在哪些段跟人声哪些跟鼓点
16:47 Fycho: 这多数数经验 
16:47 zlfence: 经验太少了- -
16:47 Fycho: 但是在同一句歌词里
16:47 Fycho: 别变化
16:47 Fycho: 对应的歌词段也别变化
16:47 Fycho: 就比如你第一段主歌跟的是鼓点，第二段也最好对应着
16:47 zlfence: 懂了
16:48 Fycho: 往往在某些特殊带可以换着跟
16:48 zlfence: 歌词节奏基本一样就不要变是吧？
16:48 Fycho: 比如这首歌01:37:172 - 往后
16:48 Fycho: 可以不跟人声
16:48 Fycho: 因为鼓点不丰富 可以在高难度只跟鼓点
16:48 Fycho: 低难度还是跟上人声
16:49 Fycho: 01:47:565 (4) - 像这些 是跟人声就蓝线结束
16:49 Fycho: 01:48:746 (1,2) - 这个
16:50 Fycho: 跟人声的话01:49:218 - 滑条从这开始
16:50 Fycho: 跟鼓点的话01:48:746 (1) - 这个放到前面大白线
16:50 Fycho: 这样不人吧鼓好别扭的说;w;
16:50 Fycho: 不人不鼓
16:51 zlfence: 我注意下。
16:51 zlfence: 我看看到底是跟那个。。
16:51 Fycho: 当然跟鼓点的话01:48:982 (2) - 必须白线结婚速
16:51 zlfence: 晚上再琢磨下到底跟那个- -
16:51 Fycho: 结束01:48:982 (2) - 也就是这个
16:51 Fycho: 跟鼓点的normal这种平常的曲子最容易做了，基本下满白线就是
16:51 Fycho: 曲子的鼓点节奏变化几乎没有
16:52 Fycho: 全在白线的、
16:52 Fycho: 当然这曲子要全跟鼓点有些平淡
16:52 Fycho: 这曲子的特色就是3/4
16:52 Fycho: 3/4的人声
16:52 zlfence: 4/3?
16:52 Fycho: 这个图的成败就在于这个特色发挥好与坏 
16:52 zlfence: budong- -
16:52 zlfence: 不懂
16:52 Fycho: 3/4的人声，，就是人声在蓝线上
16:52 Fycho: 很多
16:53 zlfence: 了解。；
16:53 Fycho: 一拍子分成四份的，很多人声开始结尾都在第三根线上
16:53 zlfence: 我起手就是先做Hard难度的
16:53 Fycho: 一拍子是一根白线 
16:54 zlfence: N E是后来补上的。
16:54 Fycho: 01:54:178 (2,3,4,5) - 排列上的细节
16:54 Fycho: 这些可以做几何形状
16:54 Fycho: 出现的位置别太random
16:54 Fycho: 01:57:012 (2) - 像这些 可能是尝试着跟人声
16:54 Fycho: 但是没根上
16:55 zlfence: 慢了
16:55 Fycho: 0.0？
16:56 zlfence: Vocal略快于滑条
16:56 Fycho: 要跟人声的话就和开头的节奏一样
16:56 Fycho: 因为人声是蓝线的
16:56 Fycho: 不跟人声也可以
16:56 zlfence: 回头再考虑到底跟Vocal还是鼓点。
16:57 Fycho: 01:37:408 - 如果跟人声 这些别空
16:57 Fycho: 01:35:283 (4,5,6,7,8) - 从这些可以看出跟的 鼓点
16:57 Fycho: 01:37:408 - 然后这里自然的也跟着鼓点
16:57 Fycho: 01:39:062 (3) - 这个也跟着鼓点
16:57 Fycho: 01:38:825 - 如果跟人声应该在这
16:57 Fycho: 所以就自己抉择啦
16:58 zlfence: 嗯
16:58 zlfence: 我知道- -
16:58 Fycho: 01:44:730 (4,5,6) - 
16:58 Fycho: 这三个鼓点
16:58 Fycho: 01:45:911 (7) - 这个人声  也别扭着;w;
16:58 zlfence: 现在的Rank的要求很高么？
16:58 Fycho: 01:45:911 (7) - 但是这个跟人声应该是蓝线开始
16:59 Fycho: rank对图要求有一定的质量
16:59 Fycho: 并不是满足rank rule就可以的
16:59 Fycho: 01:47:565 (4) - 恩。这个蓝线结束的
16:59 Fycho: 01:48:509 (1) - 之前几个，大白线都空着跟的vocal这里;w;
17:00 Fycho: 这个问题不说了
17:00 Fycho: 02:24:411 (1) - 这个转盘感觉不适合啊
17:00 Fycho: 02:45:196 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - 基本上 全下满白线也足够了
17:01 Fycho: 03:05:980 (1,2,3,4) - 别摆太近
17:01 Fycho: 太紧
17:01 Fycho: 2和3水平着摆
17:01 Fycho: 03:13:302 (5) - 可以尝试拉上下对称了
17:01 zlfence: 这个就这样- -
17:01 zlfence: 我特意摆的- -
17:01 Fycho: 恩好
17:02 zlfence: Snap也没问题
17:02 Fycho:  恩
17:02 zlfence: 只是看起来近而已
17:02 Fycho: EASY
17:02 zlfence: 基本都是滑条
17:02 zlfence: 跟鼓点
17:02 Fycho: easy看了前面 全跟的鼓点...
17:03 Fycho: 00:33:872 (5) - 别把大白线放滑条尾
17:03 Fycho: 长滑条可以从大白线开始
17:03 Fycho: 00:44:737 (1) - 这个上面的whistle?
17:04 zlfence: 漏网之鱼
17:04 Fycho: 00:51:823 (3) - clap换finish
17:04 Fycho: 00:56:075 (2) - 尾finish
17:05 zlfence: E，N难度跟鼓点很容易做
17:06 zlfence: 还有我稍微偷了下懒，后面基本重复的就是复制的- -
17:06 zlfence: 他们告诉我一般歌曲把Hard和Ins做好就可以，简单的难度只要不出大问题就可以
17:06 Fycho: 恩
17:07 Fycho: 一般normal把白线下满
17:07 Fycho: EZ多长滑条就是
17:07 zlfence:  我修改N难度好了。
17:07 zlfence: 跟鼓点。。
17:07 zlfence: 主要是Hard难度- - 
17:07 Fycho: 但是会和EZ差不多
17:08 zlfence: 好多歌词都是蓝线起的  - -
17:08 zlfence: 所以我直接奔Hard难度，简单难度就放置play了。
17:09 Fycho: 建议normal多跟人声
17:09 Fycho: 和ez区分开
17:09 zlfence: 嗯
17:09 Fycho: 跟人声的话 难点 适合normal
17:09 zlfence: 好的，真的是太感谢你了- -
17:12 zlfence: 业界良心- -给跪了。
17:13 Fycho: ...
17:13 Fycho: 那我savelog了啊
17:13 zlfence: 嗯，Post吧

18:19 zlfence: Excause me ,Can take a little of your time？
18:19 -Bakari-: why not? :)
18:19 zlfence: It is my first time to map a beatmap but I cant do it well
18:19 zlfence: Can you give me a little help？
18:19 -Bakari-: Sure!
18:20 zlfence: tks a lot！
18:20 *zlfence is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/274239 Kugimiya Rie - Dream On]
18:20 zlfence: you can solo it first.
18:20 zlfence: i will watch you- -
18:22 zlfence: Omg i have a little change it 
18:22 zlfence: But please solo it   thanks
18:22 -Bakari-: ok :)
18:26 -Bakari-: Pretty nice [Hard], good job!
18:28 zlfence: sorry my poor net
18:28 -Bakari-: that's ok, don't worry
18:28 -Bakari-: by the way, pretty nice [Hard]!
18:30 zlfence: IF you have some Good idea , please post to my thread
18:30 -Bakari-: Can't we discuss it in-game? 
18:30 -Bakari-: I'll post the chatlog later, if you want :)
18:31 zlfence: i think it must can be improved a lot -- 
18:31 zlfence: But my net is so poor- -
18:32 zlfence: it is right all the time    but this time seems so poor
18:32 -Bakari-: Well, it's one of your first maps. Of course, it needs a lot of work 
18:32 zlfence:  IRC mod is also well
18:32 -Bakari-: But it's not bad :)
18:33 zlfence: NoNoNo  it must ne the 1st beatmap
18:33 zlfence: other beatmap have not map yet
18:33 zlfence: only upload it 
18:33 -Bakari-: oh, ok
18:33 -Bakari-: let's start
18:33 zlfence: OK
18:34 -Bakari-: 00:17:339 - 00:19:229 - I feel sad about these beats. they're louder than the beats on blue ticks. 
18:34 -Bakari-: and you're ignoring them
18:34 -Bakari-: try to emphasize them a bit, even something like [http://puu.sh/4hdqj.jpg this] would be good
18:36 -Bakari-: 00:21:590 (6) - feels like it's better to put a new combo here. It'd make your comboing consistent and it fits with music and your pattern!
18:36 zlfence: UFO！ORZ。
18:37 -Bakari-: just let me know if I'm going too fast and I'll wait for you
18:37 -Bakari-: 00:35:762 (4,6) - finishes here? c'mon, they don't really fit
18:38 -Bakari-: there're no finish hitsounds in music, therefore it's better to avoid using them here :)
18:38 -Bakari-: Try to replace them with whistles, should fit better!
18:38 zlfence: yes
18:39 -Bakari-: 00:41:785 (3,4,5) - as a player, I don't like such stacks. 1/4 and 1/2 beats are stacked together
18:39 zlfence: OK
18:39 -Bakari-: it's kinda hard to hit, try to unstack it
18:39 -Bakari-: 00:45:210 (1) - are you sure about this new combo? feels kinda extra here :<
18:40 zlfence: i can be better
18:40 zlfence: this is fixed
18:40 zlfence: so i cant watch you just now
18:41 -Bakari-: oh, ok :)
18:41 -Bakari-: 00:48:989 - 00:49:225 - usually, you follow both vocals and music. here you ignored the music for no reason
18:41 -Bakari-: it feels weird, how about mapping these beats? 
18:42 -Bakari-: 00:50:288 (2) - by the way, you can remove this circle. It follows almost nothing in music, anyway!
18:42 zlfence:   double note is better!
18:42 zlfence: it sound better than before
18:43 zlfence: follow the vocal
18:43 -Bakari-: it's better to follow rhythm of the song, there's no need to add extra circles
18:44 -Bakari-: try to use 25% playback and you'll hear it!
18:44 zlfence: you should know i am a Chinese  my English is so poor
18:44 zlfence: but i can understand what you says
18:45 -Bakari-: c'mon, my english is poor too! just try to focus on modding and ignore spelling/grammar mistakes :)
18:45 -Bakari-: 00:45:210 (1) - probably this NC is already removed, but I'll mention it, anyway
18:46 zlfence: yes
18:46 zlfence: no problems
18:47 -Bakari-: 00:59:854 (3) - minor thing - making a [http://puu.sh/4hdN5.jpg square pattern] here would be a good idea
18:48 -Bakari-: 01:10:246 (5) - actually, if you follow vocals, this circle should be removed :P
18:49 -Bakari-: 01:13:553 (3,4,5) - this stack is a little bit tricky. howver, you're free to keep it! I kinda liked it :)
18:50 -Bakari-: 01:27:724 (6) - I've already mentioned similar pattern. Be consistent and place here a new combo, too!
18:50 zlfence: i am so so sorry i shoud AFK for 5 minutes
18:50 zlfence: i will back soon  but please go no !
18:50 zlfence: *on
18:50 -Bakari-: ok :3
18:55 -Bakari-: 01:38:353 (4,4) - feels overmapped. try to use 25% playback rate and see yourself
18:58 zlfence: i am back
18:58 -Bakari-: 01:48:509 - why do you ignore some random beats? it breaks consistency and plays weird :<
18:58 -Bakari-: you may say that you're followving vocals BUT
18:58 -Bakari-: 01:49:926 (4,5,6) - why these three are mapped, then?
19:01 zlfence: let me have a thiink
19:01 zlfence: think
19:02 zlfence:  i will take your advice
19:02 -Bakari-: 01:57:721 (7) - well, and maybe new combo here to emphasize vocals
19:02 -Bakari-: well, there's noneed to change your rhythm right now
19:02 -Bakari-: get more opinions, think about it yourself :)
19:03 -Bakari-: 02:22:757 (5) - pretty much the same, as above. NC here would work great!
19:06 zlfence: uhh- -
19:06 -Bakari-: 02:41:416 - here and untill 02:43:306 - you could place a spinner, it'd fit 
19:07 zlfence: sound good
19:09 -Bakari-: 03:09:760 (4,5,6,7) - feels too fast, you didn't place similar jumps before
19:10 -Bakari-: try to reduce distance of your jumps, that'd make sense with your patterns
19:10 -Bakari-: and maybe a new combo on 03:13:302 (8) - 
19:12 -Bakari-: oh, and you could set some custom combo colours
19:13 -Bakari-: for example, try [http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/963056 my colors]
19:14 zlfence: lolor?
19:14 zlfence: color?
19:14 zlfence: how to set it?
19:14 -Bakari-: Song Setup > Colours :)
19:19 -Bakari-: oh, and are you sure about your BPM?
19:22 -Bakari-: oh, and are you sure about your BPM?
19:23 zlfence: my poor net    sorry out of link
19:23 zlfence: it is says that i have used Vpn now
19:23 -Bakari-: oh :<
19:24 -Bakari-: oh, and are you sure about your BPM?
19:24 zlfence: yes
19:24 zlfence: 127
19:24 -Bakari-: it feels kinda off in the end of the song, but I'm not sure :D
19:24 zlfence: 。016
19:24 zlfence: 127.015
19:25 zlfence: pls go on !
19:25 -Bakari-: 01:03:160 (2) - NC bug
19:26 -Bakari-: osu! says that the circle is (1) but NC is not enabled
19:26 -Bakari-: it's better to fix it. 
19:26 -Bakari-: http://puu.sh/4heY8.png
19:26 zlfence: you are really a good and kindly person
19:27 zlfence: i see
19:27 zlfence: it is says that i should do NC it
19:28 -Bakari-: well, yea
19:28 -Bakari-: since it's a bug, we should fix it :)
19:28 -Bakari-: by the way, you can use AiBat, too!
19:28 zlfence: it is my first to know this byg
19:28 zlfence: bug
19:29 zlfence: after spinner i should NC it  even it looks like NC yet
19:30 -Bakari-: It's not like you have to do it
19:30 -Bakari-: but it's better to avoid bugs :>
19:31 zlfence: yes
19:31 zlfence: and pls go on
19:31 -Bakari-: nothing else to say about the [Hard] diff :)
19:31 -Bakari-: You can try to make it better visually, tho
19:32 zlfence: thanks for you Mod- -
19:32 -Bakari-: Should I post the log? :)