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I love it when people quote only a part of your post and ignore the overall message just to nitpick at a few certain sentences.
Overall I agree with GhostFrog here...
posted
It's basically what every people that lack of argument say.
I was pointing what was worth pointing in your post, don't try to act like you did not write it.

You should write a personal diary if you don't want people to respond at what your writing.

The rest of your post is meaningless.

You're telling people should go for the PP maps if they want PP, I can't agree with that.
PP mapping is killing the creativity.

Instead, we could make every maps playable for everyone.
posted
I was talking about the PP as a relation to the difficulty of the map and the OD the mapper chose to put.
I'm just saying that it's really stupid, to not say retarded (oops), to use OD7 or OD7.5 or whatever, anything under OD8 for EXTRA DIFFS. If you guys can't understand this and just go on about "OH HE SAID PP PP PP AH FARMER DOESN'T KNOW MAPPING AH PP PP" instead of trying to understand what I mean, then you're missing the point here.

And about the "ignoring the mapper's creative work", please, the mods are here for a reason. Why would allowing people to adjust settings like mods already do change anything ? The mapper's creative work is the way he places the circles, not the OD he chooses to put on the map, what the hell ?! And especially in the case of hard maps where you HAVE to use high OD to avoid note-lock and stuff, it has nothing to do with where the mapper puts his circles.
And that applies to AR as well, if a mapper decides to go full retard and map 200+BPM jumps for 5 mins and puts it AR8 what would you say ? "Oh damn nice creative job!" fuck no, it will just make it really stupid and annoying to play.
posted
OD is a different thing and it might occur that OD is set too low and provokes a lot of notelock which should ideally be adressed during modding.
That has nothing to do with the fact that the problem is the design of the pp-system. It just doesn't make any sense to do a workaround that affects how a map plays.
OD/HP are really the stats where I wouldn't care much if they could be altered well we got NF for HP-issues but I would really dislike a possible toggle for AR and CS.

My reply was also more about that the arguments in that specific post of yours were plain stupid :P
Same with your example:
"if a mapper decides to go full retard"
yeah, then his map hopefully won't get ranked anyway
posted
i agree
posted

Endaris wrote:

yeah, then his map hopefully won't get ranked anyway
Yeah that's the problem, they get ranked. And also that is preference as well since some people would be able to play it and other won't, that's why I say that AR is preference. A BAT would say "yeah sure why not rank that it'll be a challenge for some people" while other would be like "oh hell no wtf this needs at least ar9.5", it's totally preference.
posted
also this link should be there t/334458
supporting this request with all my soul <3
posted
nevernevernever ranked
this is easy to do unranked just make a new diff
posted
So how is this mod disrespecting anything? It's not like the mapper's suggested CS/AR/OD/HP would be ignored.

The only issues I see here are the calculations and plays would be greatly variated that it'd be too hard to determine which play/s is good in the eyes of a new player.
posted
For ranked score, just ar should be toggle-able in mods others will impact mapping style, pattern and gameplay. But there should be no problem about changing CS/HP/AR/OD if it make score unrankable but you can already do this with the editor.

We can debate for age on this but finally only peppy will really decide to implement that. Like for implementing score V2, if we do a poll and like 100k player answer and there is a 80% NO for this implementation I think he will change his mind to not implement but I'm not sure.

And I don't think peppy will be agree to add this possibility of change for ranked, maybe even for AR it will be disagree.

We should wait an answer from peppy but I'm note sure if he reads that much this forum (that's my feel). He has already tons of thing to do with osu!
And there is many people waiting some old feature requests without any answer from peppy. We have just to wait now. I think everything has be already said.
posted
Would be nice, I could play my AR8 maps on AR9 because that's easier too read, for me at least.
posted

CelegaS wrote:

For ranked score, just ar should be toggle-able in mods others will impact mapping style, pattern and gameplay.
AR impacts gameplay too.

something something unranked mod pls
posted
Depends how much people want to keep "reading" as a skill in the game. Some people have great reading on low ARs with lots of notes on the screen, some people are good at reading very fast approach rates (like Kynan). I would be all for being able to set the AR to whatever you want as it doesn't affect pp in any way, though obviously changing OD or CS would have an impact.
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Jerome wrote:

Depends how much people want to keep "reading" as a skill in the game. Some people have great reading on low ARs with lots of notes on the screen, some people are good at reading very fast approach rates (like Kynan). I would be all for being able to set the AR to whatever you want as it doesn't affect pp in any way, though obviously changing OD or CS would have an impact.
This is what I don't understand.

Why you can't set the AR yourself if the AR is not recognized as a skill since he does not have weight in the PP calculation ?

Or maybe AR is actually weighted but the star rating do not change ?
posted
AR has an actual influence on pp.
AR below 7 and AR above 10.5(or something around that) give extra-pp.
No influence on SR though.
posted
I see, thanks.
posted
would be cool if it has a SEVERE decrease in multiplier. like 0.1-0.5 depending on number ofc.

imho it shouldn't be something people can use as an actual playstyle because someone can just take a 1 star map and put everything on highest and farm.

AND cs10 scores wouldnt be as impressive

other than that it would be cook i guess
posted
This would be very interesting, but I wonder if changing OD/CS on the map would change the pp it actually gives, this could be even more interesting for people that are able to play very high CS such as 7
posted
Sorry, but I don't agree with this.

To change just 1 individual stat like this completely takes the uniqueness out of a map. When a mapper creates a map, the stats work together to create a unique experience. To change one of them takes away whatever makes that map special. You might argue mods like Hardrock and Doubletime do this, but they don't change the map at all. HR and DT don't change, but rather they amplify what the map has to offer. They still preserve what makes the map unique / difficult while remaining fun for the players. Not only would this completely ruin the way mapping is done, it would only encourage more generic plays. How exciting would it be to see every map with cs4 and ar9? Nothing exciting to see anymore, is there?

Every map would in a sense become a pp map, because the player will just take away whatever makes that map special or hard to make it easier for themselves. The point of maps with unique stats is to create these styles, to remove that purpose only makes osu more generic.
posted
TIL the only think that prevents people from farming is the AR and CS.

This is ONLY true for AR10.5-11 because those ARs are usually almost unreadable, but ASIDE OF THAT, your argument just doesn't work. How does changing the OD make the map different ? Or the HP ?
The very VERY rare maps that actually use a very specific AR and CS are maps that don't even give PP in the first place so it would makes them easier yes, but it won't turn said maps into farm maps.

And if people "don't wanna have fun" by putting everything on CS4 AR9, I guess it's their choice, which is still a better choice than the mapper's who most of the time (for kinda hard and hard maps at least) can't even play his own maps.
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