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Increase minimum priority to rank [resolved]

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K2J
I think a lot of these problems come from newbies being tricked into believing the system is unbiased, when it's obvious to anyone who spends a week or two here that it's a social system. Seeing the bubbles and star system when I first joined, I was convinced that the system was unbiased, with attention based solely on the map. After all, the main tenet of EBA was, in my mind, trying out new styles of music you weren't used to. "And hey, if anime-based maps are all the rage, surely the community will like my video game maps, too?" I imagine newcomers who see the Kudosu system think the same thing: "If I get enough Kudosu, people will mod my map, no matter how unpopular of a song I choose or how unknown I am".

In retrospect, this doesn't make a whole lot of sense; people don't download the map and then decide to play it - they usually look at the artist, title, and mapper to decide these things. I was misled into making map(s) that weren't very popular subjects with the very J-Pop oriented community, and I still suffer from these setbacks.

I believe there should be some sort of helpful guide to the more subjective points of mapping; sure, it feels really unfair that J-Pop and BAT-made maps get to the top of the list, but that's the way life works. We should warn newcomers that maybe mapping Egg Fleet isn't the best idea to start with - gain some reputation before you try maps that could potentially be obscure and unpopular. It would've helped me a lot.

My main point, in difference to Echo, is that song choice plays a much larger role on map visibility instead of map quality. You need to sell your map, not just put it up there and expect a mod.
Echo
@K2J: that's what the song preview is for :)
LuigiHann
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K2J
That has no bearing on the map, though, just the MP3/OGG. You still cannot tell the quality of a map without downloading it.
Ain053
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Mashley
I disagree.
If a BAT thinks the map is rankable, why not rank it.
Introducing a limit like this will mean fewer ranked maps for people to play because they will get ranked more slowly. I think
anonymous_old
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awp
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anonymous_old
^ Pro. ^

EDIT:
Still pro.
awp
I tripled my post length via EDIT you might wanna double check to make sure you still agree lol
Mashley

strager wrote:

Agent Spin Here wrote:

I disagree.
If a BAT thinks the map is rankable, why not rank it.
Introducing a limit like this will mean fewer ranked maps for people to play because they will get ranked more slowly. I think
Do you want more ranked maps or more quality maps?
Ranked maps are quality maps. That's generally the rule, a map doesn't get ranked if it isn't good.
awp
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Gabi
since this has gone abit off topic then, id just like to reply to my question. also in all my posts please don't take any offense, im just trying to understand everything right, so i can then try to explain to all the other frustrated mappers.

Rolled wrote:

edit: @Gabi, that's where good reputation comes in hand. We all have friends, and friends do friends favors (as Cheesewarlock said.)
i see... this is, why it bumps with the system already tho.

Vytalibus wrote:

This is a bit off-topic, but I'll answer you anyway.

Get non-BAT modders. Please include the possibility (and even the worth) of non-BAT modders out there that have been working so hard to improve maps that they're not even supposed to be concerned about. If you can't get their trust and approval, how more else can you get a BAT's?

The priority system does not increase the chances of getting your map ranked, but it sure makes us BATs conscious about them
This has been in pending for 9 months, 23+ sp and is a pretty good map, viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7122

this has been in pending for 11 hours and is already ranked viewtopic.php?f=14&t=14169
it had 9 sp+ before 2 bats looked at it right away

am i missing something here? 9 months yet no BAT's, allthough 11 hours and 2 BAT's +rank.

Would anyone agree that this is a little unfair or?
maybe make the system so you have to wait a couple of days before you can have your map ranked? idk suggestions.
Mashley

awp wrote:

Agent Spin Here wrote:

Ranked maps are quality maps. That's generally the rule, a map doesn't get ranked if it isn't good.
No, that is not entirely true. It's possible for a bad map to meet all playability standards and still be boring to play.
I guess, but if a map is bad to begin with and can be ranked there isn't a whole lot that can be done other than remapping the entire thing.
Lesjuh

strager wrote:

Agent Spin Here wrote:

I disagree.
If a BAT thinks the map is rankable, why not rank it.
Introducing a limit like this will mean fewer ranked maps for people to play because they will get ranked more slowly. I think
Do you want more ranked maps or more quality maps?
orz
anonymous_old

Gabi wrote:

maybe make the system so you have to wait a couple of days before you can have your map ranked? idk suggestions.
No.

A map doesn't improve by waiting a few days in the Pending forum.
Gabi
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Echo
I agree with some points - new mappers certainly find it harder to get people's attention.

BUT

With people like SFG who are constantly modding maps, if you make an awesome map, the news will spread. Once someone mods your first map and finds the awesomeness, people will be, like I said before, tripping over themselves to mod your maps. People will be waiting eagerly in pending for your maps to be uploaded.

But if I mod your first map and find nothing but your average "agrees with the ranking criteria" map, next time I have a choice between your map and a map from someone who has a history of awesome maps, which map do you think I'll choose to mod?

My suggestion is: learn how to map, and your maps will be looked at. I hate how I can go through all the bubbled maps and not find a single awesome map, but am still forced to rank them because there's nothing "wrong" with the maps.

My maps don't get looked over as much as I like either. But out of all my ranked maps, I would personally say only weeeek is an "awesome" map. That's 1 awesome map out of 19. Do you see me complaining? No. Instead, I recognise my shortcomings and strive to make myself a better mapper, which in turn makes people want to mod my maps rather than some policy enforcing people to mod my maps.

Mapping awesome maps is not easy. Just like any other form of art, if you're like me and not naturally talented, you'll need to study awesome maps and figure out what makes them awesome and imitate. If you can't be bothered learning how to map awesome maps, and just want to get whatever average map you upload ranked, don't complain if no one's looking at your map.

We all have limited time for modding. Say to yourself: would I prefer to use that time to help get an awesome map ranked or to look over some average map? If a potentially awesome map is in the queue, I would mod that. Then if such a map doesn't exist, I would much rather look over some new maps to try to find new awesome mappers than to look over a map known to be only average.

Am I biased? Totally.
Derekku
I'm starting to agree with y'all more and more after all of this elaboration.

I'm usually biased when modding, so I know what the BATs and other modders go through.

Sorry if I've made an ass out of myself in irc ^^;
K2J
Maybe I'm just more commercially-minded than artistically-minded, but I believe no matter how good a map you make, at the end of the day, the most-played maps are ones that have songs people like, not songs that necessarily make good maps or even those that are good maps. SFG or someone else I trust could recommend an "awesome" beatmap based off of a song I don't like, and I'd probably not play it.
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