I agree on increasing the minimum since bats work to slow to mod and rank every map above 7. but 20 is a bit high I think 12 is reasonable.
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Mappers shouldn't have to befriend BATs in order to get their maps checked out. IMO BATs should go through the Pending/WIP queues in order of priority. Isn't this why there's a priority system in the first place?
I'm getting really sick of looking at some maps, getting ninja'd by BATs, and getting ranked without anyone else in the community looking at it.
EDIT: Damn, strager beat me to it again :<
I'm getting really sick of looking at some maps, getting ninja'd by BATs, and getting ranked without anyone else in the community looking at it.
EDIT: Damn, strager beat me to it again :<
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edit- wow like 5 posts before i could push post...
Main point- I want star priority to have some type of power.
tldr and bs
The reason i chose 20 was because of the massive number of 20+s already up. thats why i think something that operated off the top priority might be nice.
I agree that good maps should be ranked. But i also think there are some maps that are being completely overlooked. The issue is the actual maps that BATs tend to look at. It sucks to have top 10priority maps while 15 other maps are ranked with no kd. Bubbles are supposidly deemed Perfect by one BAT, yet we usually have a page of bubbles. They "should" be ranked if theyr perfect, but theres no second bat to look at them. This is one reason tag rank annoys people imo.
As for having to build a relationship with BATs, i one of the biggest points of the kudos system was so that this wouldnt haave to happen. I thought we were discouraging favoritism. this completely goes against the whole system. why earn kudos to pump my priority if it means NOTHING.
i dont see the point of 8star kd, it was to reduce instarank? bats generally have some trickle of kd as not everythign tehy look at will be perfect (right?) and they definately dont need to stock kd to pump maps for high priority so its EASILY possible for the first 2 bats to rank something.
Main point- I want star priority to have some type of power.
Main point- I want star priority to have some type of power.
tldr and bs
The reason i chose 20 was because of the massive number of 20+s already up. thats why i think something that operated off the top priority might be nice.
I agree that good maps should be ranked. But i also think there are some maps that are being completely overlooked. The issue is the actual maps that BATs tend to look at. It sucks to have top 10priority maps while 15 other maps are ranked with no kd. Bubbles are supposidly deemed Perfect by one BAT, yet we usually have a page of bubbles. They "should" be ranked if theyr perfect, but theres no second bat to look at them. This is one reason tag rank annoys people imo.
As for having to build a relationship with BATs, i one of the biggest points of the kudos system was so that this wouldnt haave to happen. I thought we were discouraging favoritism. this completely goes against the whole system. why earn kudos to pump my priority if it means NOTHING.
i dont see the point of 8star kd, it was to reduce instarank? bats generally have some trickle of kd as not everythign tehy look at will be perfect (right?) and they definately dont need to stock kd to pump maps for high priority so its EASILY possible for the first 2 bats to rank something.
Main point- I want star priority to have some type of power.
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honestly, the first thing i thought when the kudosu system was set, was that BAT's would ONLY look at the top prior in the pending list and evenrually help out people who are having offset problems or bpm problems, or other questions.
I never said that the way I handle modding beatmaps is the way things are currently being done. However, it has been the way I've handled modding beatmaps since 2007. It was only in the past months that it has become a problem.
My words about befriending BATs have gotten twisted a lot in this thread, and in IRC as well. When I say befriend, I don't mean you have to go over to their house and have a slumber party. All I am saying is, treat them as more than a person you need to get your beatmap ranked. If you show them respect, the respect will be mutual. At least for me, that is. Sending them a private message mod request as soon as you see them log on osu is not showing respect.
The priority system has worked wonders since it's been implemented, and overall it's a success. Let's be honest. This thread was created because of this being ranked so fast.
I had more to say but I forget. Got side-tracked zzz.
My words about befriending BATs have gotten twisted a lot in this thread, and in IRC as well. When I say befriend, I don't mean you have to go over to their house and have a slumber party. All I am saying is, treat them as more than a person you need to get your beatmap ranked. If you show them respect, the respect will be mutual. At least for me, that is. Sending them a private message mod request as soon as you see them log on osu is not showing respect.
The priority system has worked wonders since it's been implemented, and overall it's a success. Let's be honest. This thread was created because of this being ranked so fast.
I had more to say but I forget. Got side-tracked zzz.
Rolled, I like the way that you do your "you mod my map, I mod your's" thing, but that's not what people are upset about.
The problem is that BATs seem to not be looking at maps in a logical way; Even ones with high priority. Some people have 20/30+ priority and maybe only one BAT has looked at it. Then we see certain maps get ranked quickly (foulcoon's, for example), with very low priority. It seems like there's some favoritism going on.
EDIT: Yeah, maps have problems, but how do people expect to get their map looked at if BATs won't do it? Like I said, the priority system feels broke to me.
The problem is that BATs seem to not be looking at maps in a logical way; Even ones with high priority. Some people have 20/30+ priority and maybe only one BAT has looked at it. Then we see certain maps get ranked quickly (foulcoon's, for example), with very low priority. It seems like there's some favoritism going on.
EDIT: Yeah, maps have problems, but how do people expect to get their map looked at if BATs won't do it? Like I said, the priority system feels broke to me.
I disagree. Why? Because the kd system doesn't work anyways.
I think this topic is geared more toward the priority system than the kudosu system.Real1 wrote:
I disagree. Why? Because the kd system doesn't work anyways.
fufe only mentions kd to point out kd stars.
I think Real1 is a lurker and should stop posting in these threads.
When you say that BATs are still "sniping" maps, you need to first ask yourself: are those maps being ranked because they CAN be ranked without any changes? Having 20 priority doesn't mean the map is flawless - it just means people like that map/song. It may still require a lot more effort than what you consider maps that are being sniped.
I'm guessing in the case you mentioned (foulcoon's map) there were almost no mod posts? Because they weren't needed to get it ranked.
I'm not saying that sniping isn't happening, but unless it is well defined then you can't really accuse BATs of ignoring the priority system. Maybe we need a thread for (constructively) reporting BATs that are ignoring priority. Not for crying at us.
When you say that BATs are still "sniping" maps, you need to first ask yourself: are those maps being ranked because they CAN be ranked without any changes? Having 20 priority doesn't mean the map is flawless - it just means people like that map/song. It may still require a lot more effort than what you consider maps that are being sniped.
I'm guessing in the case you mentioned (foulcoon's map) there were almost no mod posts? Because they weren't needed to get it ranked.
I'm not saying that sniping isn't happening, but unless it is well defined then you can't really accuse BATs of ignoring the priority system. Maybe we need a thread for (constructively) reporting BATs that are ignoring priority. Not for crying at us.
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Ill say again i can see why Bat map instarank canhappen but if this stuff happens and is justified when the map is of perfect quality then we should not have so many bubbles. Kinda off topic but kinda related i guess. Even if you recieve a bubble there is still no type of assurance whatsoever that the bubble map will be looked at, even if it is deemed perfect quality by one bat. And again, priority means nothing.
Ive gone around checking out who is looking at what and comparing the "priority" involved and its just sad and a spit in the face to the system.
its sad to see this happen.
Mapper 1: Ive 8 stars in less than a week, im ready for rankage! =D (gets ranked)
Mapper 2: Ive got 35 stars over the course of a month, 25 more to go to get top priority D; (unseen)
-mapper 2 may be bad mapper.. but mapper2 may also be pressured to recieve tons of overmodding just for the sake of having to pump that priority number.
Ive gone around checking out who is looking at what and comparing the "priority" involved and its just sad and a spit in the face to the system.
its sad to see this happen.
Mapper 1: Ive 8 stars in less than a week, im ready for rankage! =D (gets ranked)
Mapper 2: Ive got 35 stars over the course of a month, 25 more to go to get top priority D; (unseen)
-mapper 2 may be bad mapper.. but mapper2 may also be pressured to recieve tons of overmodding just for the sake of having to pump that priority number.
Sorry, Pep. >.<peppy wrote:
I think Real1 is a lurker and should stop posting in these threads.
I know 20 SP doesn't mean the map is flawless, but at 20, 30, 40 SP, a BAT should at least consider looking at it. But it seems like they don't. (Not saying all BATs are like this.)
I know... There was a map that was frequently bumped, with 20+ SP, 6 months old that had no BAT attention. It's like we have to beg BATs to look at them no matter how high the SP is and the age of the map. Which sucks because, they (the BATs) must hate getting requests all the time.
I see your point peppy... And I'm not here to argue. I merely stated how things seem to me.
I think I have talked enough about this by now, and I will stop. I hate drama... So it kinda sucks when I am the one creating it, eh?
On Topic.
After reading peppy post... And thinking twice...
Yes, a higher requirement may be good... But make it no higher than 10 IMO.
imho people need to learn how to map
song choice
mapping quality
sound effects
visual effects
new, inventive patterns
mapping is an art, just like drawing, music, etc.
if you don't pick the right song, don't map imaginatively, don't add interesting effects to give your map that extra oomph, your map will suck, and no one will want to look at it, no matter how many stars you have
there is no rule saying all uploaded maps will be ranked, and personally i don't think half the ranked maps should have been ranked in the first place
song choice
mapping quality
sound effects
visual effects
new, inventive patterns
mapping is an art, just like drawing, music, etc.
if you don't pick the right song, don't map imaginatively, don't add interesting effects to give your map that extra oomph, your map will suck, and no one will want to look at it, no matter how many stars you have
there is no rule saying all uploaded maps will be ranked, and personally i don't think half the ranked maps should have been ranked in the first place
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You're saying there are too many maps for players to play?Ryuukun wrote:
But making the guidlines too harsh will result in too many players with too less mappers.
I don't think these are ranking criteria because they are subjective.Echo wrote:
imho people need to learn how to map
song choice
mapping quality
sound effects
visual effects
new, inventive patterns
mapping is an art, just like drawing, music, etc.
if you don't pick the right song, don't map imaginatively, don't add interesting effects to give your map that extra oomph, your map will suck, and no one will want to look at it, no matter how many stars you have
Also, any map has the destination of the graveyard, approval, or ranking. The pending and help forums are not where maps are supposed to stay.
No i said that too harsh guidline will result in less people start to make maps.
and this could be the overkill for a young game like osu which is growing.
I see it in Stepmania.
Sometimes you play around 200 songs for 1 year.
I doubt it will ever come to this in osu but doesn't osu want players to contribute?
and this could be the overkill for a young game like osu which is growing.
I see it in Stepmania.
Sometimes you play around 200 songs for 1 year.
I doubt it will ever come to this in osu but doesn't osu want players to contribute?
Yes, but it doesn't want the graveyard to pile up either. Effort builds maps, and getting your map modded and starred requires effort.Ryuukun wrote:
No i said that too harsh guidline will result in less people start to make maps.
and this could be the overkill for a young game like osu which is growing.
I see it in Stepmania.
Sometimes you play around 200 songs for 1 year.
I doubt it will ever come to this in osu but doesn't osu want players to contribute?
Experienced mappers have shown their effort time and time again.