I can't really even think of any map without sliders tbh, so pretty sure I haven't.Full Tablet wrote:
I'm curious, have you tested in maps without sliders/spinners?
According to the calculations 48.15% of the objects in the map have to be sliders/spinners to achieve an expected accuracy like that.
I'm pretty sure your unstable rate would be lower when playing AR10 since you have a reduced window of visibility of the circle so the OP's unstable rate might be in the range of 110-120 (just estimating) but there are also factors like playing the map based more on reaction time then with the music if AR10 is fast for you which might even out the unstable rate.Full Tablet wrote:
I'm curious, have you tested in maps without sliders/spinners?koromo wrote:
OP: I think unstable rate 140 should give at least 93% though, as opposed to FullTablet's calculation of 86.5%. This is based off my own experience as a HR player but I realize it can differ from person to person.
According to the calculations 48.15% of the objects in the map have to be sliders/spinners to achieve an expected accuracy like that.
For that specific map and unstable rate, according to the model you would have got 91.23%acc. (But that without considering if your sliders are less precise than your circles).koromo wrote:
I can't really even think of any map without sliders tbh, so pretty sure I haven't.Full Tablet wrote:
I'm curious, have you tested in maps without sliders/spinners?
According to the calculations 48.15% of the objects in the map have to be sliders/spinners to achieve an expected accuracy like that.
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If you want the best advice in this situation. Just play it and find out. I usually get a lot higher unstable rate when playing NOMOD but have gotten as low at 65 unstable rate playing Hard Rock. Don't try to base your skill off of a silly number in game just try it and find out.
Listening to all these people tell you what unstable rate you should play HR at or whether or not you can do it or not yet and what you can expect is just plain dumb.
Theoretically, yes. In practice, no.Tanzklaue wrote:
unstable rate and hit error don't say jackshit about the accuracy you will get. you can have a super good unstable rate below 100 or even 80 and still get 100s on OD 8. vice versa, you can get really good accuracies upt to almost SS or SS on OD 10 with unstable rates just at 100 or slightly above it, if you hit many circles just at the border to a 100.
also you could theoretically get a SS on OD 9.8 but only 33.33% on OD 10 if you hit all the notes in the thin timing window inbetween those 2. and all that doesn't even include things like slidermisses or actual misses (fun fact: clearing a map with no fail and just hitting one circle will result in unstable rate 0,00).
in the end, you should not worry about unstable rate and hit error and such things all too much. what matters in the end is the actual accuracy, and if you get a SS, it will be a SS no matter what unstable rate you have or what others say which unstable rate results in which accuracy.
I have to look at it every time for my egowinber1 wrote:
i don't even look at unstable rate. when i see that my accuracy sucks i just rage and leave nonetheless
Outliers are accounted for in normal distributions as long as they occur both above and below the mean at reasonable (AKA low) rates, which is how it works for most people in osu!.pooptartsonas wrote:
I think for something like accuracy in osu!, it won't really follow a normal distribution because making a mistake leads to an outlier. Even assuming perfect reading, humans will still screw up, whether that's due to nervousness, strain on fingers, or whatever else. Perhaps outliers are already accounted for, but I would guess that it will follow a roughly normal distribution centered closer to perfect timing with a fair amount of points that are severely mistimed. This is mostly coming from my experience, because my unstable rates on HDHR are usually around 85-90 (when I'm really comfortable with the map), and most of my 100s come from when I can feel myself making a mistake.
JAKACHAN wrote:
Just play it and find out.
Yeah but in osu!, pretty much all the outliers will lead to 100s on a high OD because outliers will often be the result of nervousness where the player completely mistimes a note in the heat of the moment. I just don't think unstable rate can properly predict accuracy because someone who has perfect accuracy under normal conditions could still mistime notes due to stress.Ekaru wrote:
Outliers are accounted for in normal distributions as long as they occur both above and below the mean at reasonable (AKA low) rates, which is how it works for most people in osu!.pooptartsonas wrote:
I think for something like accuracy in osu!, it won't really follow a normal distribution because making a mistake leads to an outlier. Even assuming perfect reading, humans will still screw up, whether that's due to nervousness, strain on fingers, or whatever else. Perhaps outliers are already accounted for, but I would guess that it will follow a roughly normal distribution centered closer to perfect timing with a fair amount of points that are severely mistimed. This is mostly coming from my experience, because my unstable rates on HDHR are usually around 85-90 (when I'm really comfortable with the map), and most of my 100s come from when I can feel myself making a mistake.
Mistimed notes due to stress increase the Unstable Rate too.pooptartsonas wrote:
Yeah but in osu!, pretty much all the outliers will lead to 100s on a high OD because outliers will often be the result of nervousness where the player completely mistimes a note in the heat of the moment. I just don't think unstable rate can properly predict accuracy because someone who has perfect accuracy under normal conditions could still mistime notes due to stress.Ekaru wrote:
Outliers are accounted for in normal distributions as long as they occur both above and below the mean at reasonable (AKA low) rates, which is how it works for most people in osu!.
Unstable Rate can help to tell what accuracy you should expect, with a certain probability.GoldenWolf wrote:
Unstable rate only tell how unstable you are. You can, for example, constantly drift from -17 to +17, thus SSing OD10 but also having ridiculously high unstable rate
You can't say which accuracy you should get with xxx.xx unstable rate
I've SS'd with 140 unstable rate I've SS'd with 65 unstable rate.Full Tablet wrote:
GoldenWolf wrote:
Unstable Rate can help to tell what accuracy you should expect, with a certain probability.
Well, some people like numbers.JAKACHAN wrote:
Trying to put numbers on everything starts to complicates things and just adds more stress to something that should be a fun game to begin with people.
so basically, adding hr would be the same between 8~10? it doesn't seem at all. ex in Gensou no satellite (od9) is way harder keeping a good acc rate rather than airman (od8).Kert wrote:
X means no-mod
HR increases OD and AR by 40% and it caps at 10. So both OD8 and OD9 become OD10 after adding HR, OD7 becomes OD9.8.Genshin wrote:
so basically, adding hr would be the same between 8~10? it doesn't seem at all. ex in Gensou no satellite (od9) is way harder keeping a good acc rate rather than airman (od8).
Is that OD10 or OD9?thelewa wrote:
let's see how many people freak about the necrobump instead of realizing what I'm trying to say
OD10Full Tablet wrote:
Is that OD10 or OD9?thelewa wrote:
let's see how many people freak about the necrobump instead of realizing what I'm trying to say
If that is OD9 it seems that the offset is wrong.
Well, the expected unstable rate for that accuracy in that map (with OD10) is 88.0688, not very far from the unstable rate you really got. The expected unstable rate for getting 1x100 is 62.3514 (that means, if the errors follow a normal distribution, with that unstable rate, there is 50% chance you get at least 99.85%acc, with a slight probable deviation from 99.85%).thelewa wrote:
OD10
I also had runs where I had 1x100 with the same unstable rate
unstable rate is a poor measurement for accuracy if used alone, since it only measures how constant your clicks are. You could get all 100's and still have like, 59 unstable rate.
He's likely applying statistical analysis to the mathematical formulas (not sure if he has the exact formula for the unstable rate or if he's estimating it, though). For example, the timings of a player's hits will usually resemble a normal distribution (excluding misses). There's an astounding amount of shit you can do with such normal distributions. And yes, there are ways to account for that one hit that was waaaaaaay off.JAKACHAN wrote:
Where do you people even get these numbers? "Expected unstable rate?" you just made that up lol...
People are taking this game way to serious nowadays.
And neither is he. If you are going to provide evidence about any of this you shouldn't use a your own calculation or treat it like you know what you are doing.Ekaru wrote:
EDIT: And and and and and yes, you could use the formulas to create an "Expected unstable rate" if you were some sort of mathematical genius and had plenty of time on your hands. I'm not, though.
What is OSU! ?ScarletFrost wrote:
Why do math when u can play OSU! -_-
http://www.mediafire.com/download/k1zw8 ... _Rate.xlsxAqo wrote:
I demand a gorgeous excel table for this.