Funny, that's exactly what someone who is in the mafia would saystrager wrote:
I am not a Mafia.Derekku Chan wrote:
That means you are mafia? :<
vote stra-
lol
Funny, that's exactly what someone who is in the mafia would saystrager wrote:
I am not a Mafia.Derekku Chan wrote:
That means you are mafia? :<
any response to this?0_o wrote:
Why not? Humans come up with "evidence" against other humans to lynch them, the only difference is that the mafia actually knows that they are lynching a human.Echo wrote:
That is exactly what I'm saying. There should be no evidence in posts against townies, which means mafia won't be able to bring up a valid reason to lynch a townie.0_o wrote:
So.. you are saying that the mafia is incapable of coming up with a valid reason to lynch someone?
Echo brings up good points. :/Echo wrote:
You're refusing to defend yourself against my evidence, and you're refusing to bring any evidence against me, yet you claim you are townie and I am mafia?
I think the simple answer is that there is no evidence you can use to defend yourself, and there is no evidence you can bring against me. Which means you are mafia, and I am townie.
I think you're mistaken.Echo wrote:
Townies will be able to convincingly bring evidence to show that the evidence used against them is misguided.
You're not defending yourself good enough. If you do it right, people will believe you. =)strager wrote:
That doesn't explain this at all:Echo wrote:
You're refusing to defend yourself against my evidence, and you're refusing to bring any evidence against me, yet you claim you are townie and I am mafia?
I think the simple answer is that there is no evidence you can use to defend yourself, and there is no evidence you can bring against me. Which means you are mafia, and I am townie.which is what I asked about.Echo wrote:
@strager: then tell me why anyone should be listening to you.
You're saying even if I defend myself I shouldn't be believed, and even if I attack you I shouldn't be believed?
But it's so fun.Echo wrote:
Stop twisting my words.
I'm sure a Mafia can convincingly defend themself too, smart one.Echo wrote:
I'm saying if you can't defend yourself, then there is no reason why anyone should believe what you say. If you can defend yourself, then that proves you're not mafia, and what you say holds legitimate value.
And this logic has gotten you how far in Mafia games?Echo wrote:
- Assume what everyone is saying is true
- Find evidence to show that a person is likely lying. From this point on assume everything he says is false.
- That person defends himself.
- Given that the person does so convincingly, assume from this point on everything he says is true. Otherwise, he is likely mafia and should be lynched.
Good to see you know you're not doing a very good job of it.strager wrote:
I'm sure a Mafia can convincingly defend themself too, smart one.Echo wrote:
I'm saying if you can't defend yourself, then there is no reason why anyone should believe what you say. If you can defend yourself, then that proves you're not mafia, and what you say holds legitimate value.
page 26 so far, I believestrager wrote:
And this logic has gotten you how far in Mafia games?Echo wrote:
- Assume what everyone is saying is true
- Find evidence to show that a person is likely lying. From this point on assume everything he says is false.
- That person defends himself.
- Given that the person does so convincingly, assume from this point on everything he says is true. Otherwise, he is likely mafia and should be lynched.
And this logic has gotten you how far in Mafia games?His logic does get him killed quickly in mafia games, but it's usually because the assassins are scared of him
Please remember me IIRCnardi11011 wrote:
QFTEcho wrote:
よろしくおねがいしま~す
like i know what it means
Are you trying to be punny?nardi11011 wrote:
Anyway, I'm keeping my vote on strager as he just seems to be acting too strange to me.
Again, claiming Doctor was a mistake. I didn't mean to "risk dying" by doing it because I didn't mean to do it.nardi11011 wrote:
Especially his very first slip-up doesn't seem to fit in with the rest of his posts, as I don't see why someone would rather risk dying the first night than lie about their role.
Could you explain farther what you mean by "fit in with the rest of his posts"? Also, are you going to be more active, or are we going to see you once every three days?nardi11011 wrote:
Holy shit, 6 pages? I hate timezones. Anyway, I'm keeping my vote on strager as he just seems to be acting too strange to me. Especially his very first slip-up doesn't seem to fit in with the rest of his posts, as I don't see why someone would rather risk dying the first night than lie about their role. I don't see anyone else as overly suspicious, so I'm not changing my vote.
also,QFTEcho wrote:
よろしくおねがいしま~す
like i know what it means
I'm indifferent on whether we lynch nardi or adam, and nardi hasn't said anything that would convince me to change my vote, so for now, my vote stands.BagelBob wrote:
0_o, who are you voting for right now? That last one was only 80% there.
BagelBob was referring to this:0_o wrote:
I'm indifferent on whether we lynch nardi or adam, and nardi hasn't said anything that would convince me to change my vote, so for now, my vote stands.BagelBob wrote:
0_o, who are you voting for right now? That last one was only 80% there.
Please state CLEARLY who you are voting for.0_o wrote:
Funny, that's exactly what someone who is in the mafia would saystrager wrote:
I am not a Mafia.Derekku Chan wrote:
That means you are mafia? :<
vote stra-
lol
I'm not confident enough to vote Echo and I believe SFG is a townie. So I'm fine with either nardi or adam, and since nardi is already on L-2, then well, there you go. I'm not going to split the vote between 2 people who I think should be lynched.0_o wrote:
EDIT: and if you think about it, his theory on strager's bandwagon (Echo, SFG, adam, nardi) does make some sense. Wouldn't you think a mafia member would jump at the chance to lynch the potential doctor? I think it's very likely that both of the mafia members are in that group.
Which actions/posts make you believe that Echo and SFG are townies?0_o wrote:
That vote for you was a joke, I obviously wouldn't defend you this whole time, then vote for you because you said you weren't mafia
And I'm voting for him because as I've already saidI'm not confident enough to vote Echo and I believe SFG is a townie. So I'm fine with either nardi or adam, and since nardi is already on L-2, then well, there you go. I'm not going to split the vote between 2 people who I think should be lynched.0_o wrote:
EDIT: and if you think about it, his theory on strager's bandwagon (Echo, SFG, adam, nardi) does make some sense. Wouldn't you think a mafia member would jump at the chance to lynch the potential doctor? I think it's very likely that both of the mafia members are in that group.
strager answered your question about Echo aboveBagelBob wrote:
Which actions/posts make you believe that Echo and SFG are townies?
They both voted for strager, just like nardi and adam, who you believe is the doctor.
First of all, he's at L-2 - Bagelbob retracted his votestrager wrote:
0_o, IMO voting because of the number of votes on one's head isn't a good idea for a Townie (only a Mafia because a Mafia knows if he's lynching a Townie or not). If you are split between nardi and adam you'll need another reason to vote for one or the other. If you stick to your vote for nardi solely to keep him at L-1 without another reason I'm more incline to believe you are a Mafia. (This is supported by you avoiding voting on Echo.)
BagelBob wrote:
Which actions/posts make you believe that Echo and SFG are townies?
They both voted for strager, just like nardi and adam, who you believe is the doctor.
Well, it is kuu...0_o wrote:
1) I don't think he would quit if he was mafia
I don't see a reason not to lie, other than wanting to be truthful.0_o wrote:
2) why would he lie if he is quitting?
strager wrote:
0_o, IMO voting because of the number of votes on one's head isn't a good idea for a Townie (only a Mafia because a Mafia knows if he's lynching a Townie or not). If you are split between nardi and adam you'll need another reason to vote for one or the other. If you stick to your vote for nardi solely to keep him at L-1 without another reason I'm more incline to believe you are a Mafia. (This is supported by you avoiding voting on Echo.)
Not at the time you voted.0_o wrote:
First of all, he's at L-2 - Bagelbob retracted his vote
Still doesn't mean anything to me. I understand it, but it's definitely not a reason from what I can see.0_o wrote:
I'm not really split between them, I'm indifferent between them. I would be just as happy voting off adam as I would nardi. And since nardi is the more likely candidate right now, it would be pointless to vote for adam since that would just make it more difficult to lynch nardi, whom I believe is just as likely to be mafia as adam.
I hope that made sense?
strager wrote:
Well you're not getting it.Echo wrote:
I would like you to do two things:Echo wrote:
Whereas I've conjured up a single sentence with enough evidence to send you to kingdom come, none of which you've satisfactorily defended against, you've brought none of my posts against me.
- refute my 3 points in the linked post
- attack me with my posts
I defended too, somewhat:Echo wrote:
You're trying to bring suspicion onto someone who is obviously townie. Now why would you do that?
And isn't the point of the game is to present likely possibilities and have others debunk them?strager wrote:
SFG's first vote on me was just a bandwagon vote it seems, because I was the more suspicious.
SFG's second vote on me was a misunderstanding: viewtopic.php?p=141154#p141154
Because nardi hasn't defended himself either. He was at L-1 and still hadn't posted. He may just be a townie that does't give a crap about the game, though. =/Echo wrote:
Can someone explain to me why we just jumped to voting for nardi when strager has been so suspicious and refusing to defend himself?
Yes it is a loss. That's one Night the Mafia has to waste their kill on.Derekku Chan wrote:
But as one of you said: If a townie gets lynched that didn't contribute in the first place, it wouldn't even be a loss. :<
I doubt your Mafia buddy would kill you, and I doubt today we'll lynch you. You'll have your chance to lynch your own friend someday.Echo wrote:
I just fear I won't be around to lynch a mafia :X