*sigh*

I'm starting to tldr this Echo-strager exchange, it just keeps going and circles and it just feels like it isn't getting anywhere.

Can the people who have not voted please hurry up and make a decision, this is just getting ridiculous...

Sorry if I sound impatient, but honestly, I am

strager wrote:

I have these suspicion percentages (0 - definitely Townie; 100 - definitely Mafia; 50 - undecided):
adam - 40%
BagelBob - 40%
nadi - 40%
SFG - 40%
Olinad - 50%
Derekku - 60%
0_o - 65%
Echo - 100%

These are estimates of course but shows my relative suspicions for everyone.

Yes, I am 100% sure Echo is a Mafia.

All of this is completely baseless. Could you provide any reasoning at all for these numbers? I realize you say later that you changed your mind, but at this time, what made you choose these numbers? Do you have any reasons for Echo being 100% mafia? Why are Derekku and 0_o above 50? Why are the rest of us above 50?



This post is full of nothings. First, you say you come to two realizations. Then, you don't post them, and say you'll remove them from your post. Next, you quote Echo and restate his post. In your last section, you present a logical fallacy known as false dichotomy. Those are not the only options, there could have been one voting for you and mafia could have any reasons for voting or not voting for you. With this and all your short posts, it's like your posting without saying anything.



Can I assume from This post that you no longer consider Echo a mafia member? In addition, did you mean that adam, SFG, and nardii's votes looked like bandwagon votes? You state that you think 0_o and Derekuu were not on the bandwagon, but then you throw junk about random voting. Adam's vote started out random, but he kept posting and saying that he was reading the thread and agreed with Echo's logic.

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SFG is not voting me because of 0_o, I do not find it said anywhere.

BagelBob wrote:

strager wrote:

I have these suspicion percentages (0 - definitely Townie; 100 - definitely Mafia; 50 - undecided):
adam - 40%
BagelBob - 40%
nadi - 40%
SFG - 40%
Olinad - 50%
Derekku - 60%
0_o - 65%
Echo - 100%

These are estimates of course but shows my relative suspicions for everyone.

Yes, I am 100% sure Echo is a Mafia.

All of this is completely baseless. Could you provide any reasoning at all for these numbers? I realize you say later that you changed your mind, but at this time, what made you choose these numbers? Do you have any reasons for Echo being 100% mafia? Why are Derekku and 0_o above 50? Why are the rest of us above 50?

The numbers were just to state relative suspicions. nardi is less suspicious than 0_o, for example. I used numbers instead of a simple list to group similarly suspicious people together (the 40%'s) and to point out Echo as a Mafia more than just "most suspicious." Again, looking back it was a pretty dumb thing to do.

BagelBob wrote:

Do you have any reasons for Echo being 100% mafia?

See my pseudo-raging (link).

BagelBob wrote:

This post is full of nothings. First, you say you come to two realizations. Then, you don't post them, and say you'll remove them from your post.

Actually those first three lines were saying "I totally misread your post so I deleted what I had here before." I thought he was asking me how he voted for me, which kinda confused me so I came back to it later then realized what he meant.

I could have left those three lines out, but it was so late I wasn't thinking too strait (see all my late-night posts). I should stop posting so late. x_x

BagelBob wrote:

Next, you quote Echo and restate his post.

Yes, I was explaining why I said something, because Echo asked for an explanation (Echo's quote expanded for clarification):

strager wrote:

Echo wrote:

strager wrote:

But you have to assume I am a Mafia otherwise you'd be killing a Townie. (Just to mention.)

More backwards trickiness from strager.

My thinking leads me to believe you're mafia which THEN results in my lynch vote.

You're saying I'm voting to lynch you which THEN makes me try to push the idea you're mafia? o.O

No I'm not saying that. I meant that your statement:

Echo wrote:

I'm pretty sure that strager is not doctor, which is why I'm voting him.

Meant "I'm pretty sure strager is a Mafia, which is why I'm voting for him."

BagelBob wrote:

In your last section, you present a logical fallacy known as false dichotomy. Those are not the only options, there could have been one voting for you and mafia could have any reasons for voting or not voting for you. With this and all your short posts, it's like your posting without saying anything.

Ah, I had not even considered this. I would expect the Mafia to try and kill a Townie as soon as the chance arises. I don't see a reason why they wouldn't so it'd be nice if you could point at least one out.

BagelBob wrote:

Can I assume from This post that you no longer consider Echo a mafia member?

No, I already deduced Echo as a Mafia so you can squeeze that info in there if you want.

BagelBob wrote:

In addition, did you mean that adam, SFG, and nardii's votes looked like bandwagon votes?

All I meant to say there that one or two of adam, Echo, nardi, and SFG were bandwagonning as a Mafia, not all of them.

BagelBob wrote:

You state that you think 0_o and Derekuu were not on the bandwagon, but then you throw junk about random voting.

Where is this "junk about random voting?"

BagelBob wrote:

Adam's vote started out random, but he kept posting and saying that he was reading the thread and agreed with Echo's logic.

And this matters how? I already know this.

BagelBob wrote:

SFG, you've said you're going with adam since 0_o said he finds him suspicious. All I can find is that his gut says that. Are you satisfied lynching someone who you think is a townie?

I have to agree here; it's as if you're voting at random with "support" from another player. The number of votes on one's head shouldn't be used as a reason for voting.

EDIT:

adam2046 wrote:

SFG is not voting me because of 0_o, I do not find it said anywhere.

I just went with BagelBob on the above. I'll investigate myself.

EDIT: Here it is (link), at least what I think BagelBob is referring to.

adam2046 wrote:

SFG is not voting me because of 0_o, I do not find it said anywhere.

Saturos-fangirl wrote:

well i suppose i am a bit suspicious because when you were mafia last game i couldnt tell that you were at ALL. i think it might have been nardi that pointed a FOS at adam or maybe the FOS wa-oh fuck it let me go find the post

yeah 0_o pointed a FOS at adam and nardi and i chose adam.

also im lol'ing about how you guys are trying to pick apart logic that doesn't exist @_@ also im sick of vote-hopping which is why i havent changed it

kthx

EDIT: Didn't see page 18, looks like strager caught it

LadySuburu wrote:

Not voting: 3 - (Olinad, Derekku, Strager)

*strager

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tldr in bold, but it'd be nice if you read the details as well

Bagelbob wrote:

0_o, why are you in such a hurry? Is it because you were buddying with strager earlier?

Not sure how me being impatient and me defending strager are correlated...
And to answer your question I'm impatient because I've been sitting here reading Echo and strager go back and forth with loooong arguments for days and I feel like there hasn't been any progress. I'm getting bored; I just want to get the game moving.

You haven't posted much in the way of cases. In fact, your reason for voting adam, is it still your gut?

Now that WWG3 is over I can actually say this: IMO he's been acting similar to when he was in WWG3, and I knew he was a wolf then because I was a wolf myself
Though now that I think about it, you could probably use the exact same logic against me... lol, well then
Oh well, I'm not confident enough to vote for Echo, and I feel like I don't have a case against anyone else, so yes, right now I guess it's mainly just my gut instincts against adam ^_^ if someone else happens to jump my radar then I will gladly change my vote, but right now he's just the only person I feel comfortable with voting for.

I'd like it if you could state your opinions on strager. Do you think that he is telling the truth about being the doctor?

Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure almost every post I've made so far has said my opinion on strager He isn't a zero on my suspicion-o-meter that's for sure, but I think the odds of him being the doctor are worth keeping him around at least for today.

If yes, do you think Echo is a mafia member?.

I can't say for sure he isn't mafia, but I feel like our differing opinions are based mainly on different interpretations of strager's posts, and again, I'm not gonna vote for someone just because they have a different opinion than me.

it looks to me like you're trying to stay out of the whole mess

I haven't posted lately because I've had nothing to say; we've hardly made any progress in the last few pages (until now), and I've already stated my opinions on the Echo-strager/adam issue several times over.

Anything else?

Did you bother looking in the first Mafia thread?

Both olinad and nardi have both pretty much contributed NOTHING to this topic's discussion.

BUT

nardi11011 wrote:

It's annoying that 90% of the posts in mafia/ww game threads are made when I'm either asleep or at school. Anyway, I vote strager as he seems the most suspicious to me and this game is confusing as hell compared to WWG.

he was quick to jump on the bangwagon and vote for strager without any reasoning or proof.

I'm not even counting that as a "random" vote because he hasn't even come back to say otherwise.

Vote: nardi.

adam2046 wrote:

So you're no longer certain I'm human Strager, right?

I've stated this a while ago.

0_o wrote:

If yes, do you think Echo is a mafia member?.

I can't say for sure he isn't mafia

It looks like you're dodging the question there. Why?

Derekku Chan wrote:

Both olinad and nardi have both pretty much contributed NOTHING to this topic's discussion.

BUT

nardi11011 wrote:

It's annoying that 90% of the posts in mafia/ww game threads are made when I'm either asleep or at school. Anyway, I vote strager as he seems the most suspicious to me and this game is confusing as hell compared to WWG.

he was quick to jump on the bangwagon and vote for strager without any reasoning or proof.

What bangwagon? ;P

I have to agree but as a Mafia why would he do this at L-2 and not L-1? (I asked BagelBob this in my last "real" post.)

nardi11011 wrote:

I'm not even counting that as a "random" vote because he hasn't even come back to say otherwise.

Because no one accused it of not being a random vote? He was never attacked so he wouldn't defend himself. If he did defend himself in advanced that'd looks suspicious because it'd seem as if he had something to hide.

No one's random vote was explicitly denoted as a random vote by the voter, either.

So I don't really see your reasoning here Derekku.

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strager wrote:

What bangwagon? ;P

By the time nardi voted for you, strager, two other people had voted for you. He seemed to only vote for you because you were the "most suspicious", which isn't a good reason imo.

strager wrote:

No one's random vote was explicitly denoted as a random vote by the voter, either.

I meant in the case that nardi's vote WAS a random vote, which I don't think it was, but I wanted to cover that ground

Derek missed the joke...

adam2046 wrote:

The only person jumping strager's bangwagon is Derek.

On the bandwagon against strager? I've already stated many times that I believe strager isn't mafia. :/

If you meant the bandwagon that thinks strager is innocent, then yes, I'm on it, but so is like of us. >_>

So I really don't get what you meant.

Derek is still missing the joke...

=( It's late and you guys are making fun of me. D:

EDIT: Yeah, I'm not seeing it. *very tired tonight* Hint plz

strager wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

Both olinad and nardi have both pretty much contributed NOTHING to this topic's discussion.

BUT

nardi11011 wrote:

It's annoying that 90% of the posts in mafia/ww game threads are made when I'm either asleep or at school. Anyway, I vote strager as he seems the most suspicious to me and this game is confusing as hell compared to WWG.

he was quick to jump on the bangwagon and vote for strager without any reasoning or proof.

What bangwagon? ;P

I have to agree but as a Mafia why would he do this at L-2 and not L-1? (I asked BagelBob this in my last "real" post.)

nardi11011 wrote:

I'm not even counting that as a "random" vote because he hasn't even come back to say otherwise.

Because no one accused it of not being a random vote? He was never attacked so he wouldn't defend himself. If he did defend himself in advanced that'd looks suspicious because it'd seem as if he had something to hide.

No one's random vote was explicitly denoted as a random vote by the voter, either.

So I don't really see your reasoning here Derekku.

nardi's vote was not random because he stated he had a general idea and that strager seemed suspicious.
Your vote on Echo and 0_o's vote on adam were random, they have no base. strager's vote is a bandwagon vote, because he votes for the most popular guy without adding anything.
As for his timing, he did it when he did it. No one new jumped on after him.
As for "defending himself in advance" looking suspicious, that's exactly what you did when you claimed doctor.