To put this simply, I don't believe you.strager wrote:
One, before the game started, I didn't have the Doctor PM.
Two, if I lied, I would have to stay with that lie. I would rather stay with the truth.
Three, claiming Doctor was an accident. I've said this several times I think.
You don't care that you said nardi would have been suspicious if he defended himself in advance, when you defended yourself in advance?strager wrote:
The second post I may have missed. I have nothing to comment on it though.BagelBob wrote:
Also, why are you ignoring these two posts?
And again,strager wrote:
The first post I thought I responded to, but apparently I didn't. Here's my response:That is correct.BagelBob wrote:
From what I see in that post, I can only think that you're voting for Echo because Echo was attacking you. Is this correct? Is there anything else that I'm missing?It was relative suspicion at the time. The list can be disregarded now as my opinion has changed, though.BagelBob wrote:
And again, Why are Derekku and 0_o above 50? Why are the rest of us below 50? Was that whole chart just BS?
BagelBob wrote:
And again, Why are Derekku and 0_o above 50? Why are the rest of us below 50? Was that whole chart just BS?
strager wrote:
Again, I wasn't trying to explain anything. I WAS re-stating.BagelBob wrote:
This section is just a re-statement. I don't see any explanations, nor a need for any. Of course Echo thinks that you're a mafia. My first clue was the case, my second was the vote. I know you didn't think that Echo thought you were a vanilla townie. There was a whole section about whether or not you were fake-claiming as a townie, with Echo definitively of the mind that that would be a bad idea. You're saying that to make it look like Echo is lynching a townie. You should have at least said doctor, since that's what you're claiming to be.
Would you care to contradict yourself again?strager wrote:
Yes, I was explaining why I said something, because Echo asked for an explanation (Echo's quote expanded for clarification):
It would be circular reasoning if I was saying he was scum because he didn't quick lynch.strager wrote:
Circular reasoning?BagelBob wrote:
A quick-lynch, such as the one you described, would generally be an obvious scum-tell.
I'm saying "If he quick-lynches, then he's probably a scum." This is logical because a townie wouldn't quick-lynch someone who claimed doctor.
You're saying that I'm saying "No one quick-lynched, thus they must not be scum because scum would quick-lynch" which is circular reasoning.
Your exact quote says that one or two of (names) was bandwagoning. Adam and Echo are two of those names. That statement includes an accusation of adam and Echo bandwagoning.strager wrote:
I never said that. The exact thing you quoted:BagelBob wrote:
Really, adam and Echo bandwagoning? Adam was the first one to vote for you, and Echo has been making the case.strager wrote:
All I meant to say there that one or two of adam, Echo, nardi, and SFG were bandwagonning as a Mafia, not all of them.
What is this? You asked what the junk about random voting was and I pasted it. Why is this here? What are you trying to say with it?strager wrote:
In chronological order:BagelBob wrote:
your junk about random voting is this:strager wrote:
In the first case I deduce one of these to be a Mafia: adam, SFG, nardi
In the third case I deduce these are probably NOT Mafia (because they didn't jump on the bandwagon): Derekku, 0_o
For the first case it seems as if adam's vote was random and SFG's vote was only somewhat random, as was nardi's. So my suspicions for the latter two are above my suspicions for adam. From that I really can't say much more though.
For the third case, 0_o seems to be really trying to defend me which either means he's deceitful (and will kill me at night) or genuinely trying to help the town. I'm not foolish enough to denounce the former but based on my observation above he may be a Townie more than a Mafia.
I really don't know what to think of Derekku because he hasn't been doing much from what I can see, really. He could be bad at analysis, not have information to discuss, or is smart enough not to talk because he may leak information. So ... not really sure.BagelBob wrote:
In addition, did you mean that adam, SFG, and nardii's votes looked like bandwagon votes? You state that you think 0_o and Derekuu were not on the bandwagon, but then you throw junk about random voting. Adam's vote started out random, but he kept posting and saying that he was reading the thread and agreed with Echo's logic.The random voting part was for the first case, and the 0_o and Derekku part was for the third case.strager wrote:
Where is this "junk about random voting?"BagelBob wrote:
You state that you think 0_o and Derekuu were not on the bandwagon, but then you throw junk about random voting.
It might be in some games, but in this game, you claimed doctor, which greatly changes things.strager wrote:
On the first day the first lynch is probably random anyway.