1. I played all the difficulties of Levels and I passed. I occassionally miss stuff and got my health to red at some point on insane. That map was designed that way by the mapper. It's the mappers choice whether he wants to drain your HP so badly.ImmortalChibi wrote:
1. Sure. I'm almost positive I get them off of the ranked sections. I'm not sure I remember all of them or even if they're the right ones, but here it goes: Levels- Avicii, One More Time- Daft Punk, and Heaven- DJ Sammy.
2. It's not the gap. It's the drain > beat. Sometimes the gap seems a little lengthy, but not lengthy enough for the big check/x screen.
3. I don't think so because it's an extra mod. I mean, is Osu! boring because you can just flip on NoFail and go make yourself a sandwich?
1. A mod which will only be used by less than 5% of the community is totally unnecessary.ImmortalChibi wrote:
1. Meh, I'm not looking for a zombie apocalypse level following here. Like one or two people to sit their and say, "Yeah. This mod could be a thing."
2. Yeah, I'm very tenacious. I wouldn't be if I didn't think it was worth it. The way people fight this is idea is the same logic used to say all the mods that make the game easier are stupid... or they Osu! was built upon the principles of HP Drain and a curse upon the family of the man that changed it.
3. I didn't realize there was a version like that. If the coding isn't ridiculously hard, I'll probably give it a tackle and see about those reviews.
4. Ha ha ha, this is really true. And I have a somewhat "picky" taste in music. >____>
1. That's where practice comes in.ImmortalChibi wrote:
1. Idk. That's probably true. But like I said, I have an itchy trigger finger. If I wait too long in suspense for the note, I'm just gonna click it way too soon and end up screwing up anyway.
2. This makes sense.
3. My motivation comes from two things: a) I have literally nothing else to do today. b) I REALLY love games and I will straight up throw a bitchfit in my will if I never get to create a game by the time I die. (Figure of speech, but you get the idea that I really want to be a game dev or some part of creating a game).
The tutorial remains there because most users need it. It's easily disposable if you're really irritated about it. I don't think most users need to halt hp drain since they could just play tons of easier maps.ImmortalChibi wrote:
It would be a beginner type thing, you know? I mean, the tutorial remains there long after you play it, does that make it unnecessary? No. It was necessary as some point for most people.
1. It wouldn't be so rewarding to finish a map using a mod you requested for that specific map.ImmortalChibi wrote:
1. The HP Drain still exists. Playing in a mode where I can't lose is not rewarding at all. In any other mod (aside from the replay one), there is still SOME sense of accomplishment for reaching the end and you have room to know you can improve.
2. The game's popularity actually stemmed from a user's negative attitude, and I was just trying to tell him that he's not helping the game at all.
3. That is my point.
4. Well anything botting is technically a cheat. Having the program complete the spinner for you fits, I'd say.
5. Meh. Nothing better to do!
me too, I think it has nothing to do with play count. But it's true that play count helps you get used to the system. Kind of like evolution.deadbeat wrote:
can i just say, while i have no idea what's going on, can i say that i think it's funny that this was brought up by someone who hasn't even reached a play count of 500
yes we are. And yes, ridiculous hp drain is a well known mapping technique. Someday he'll get used to it if he keeps playing.BlackStat wrote:
Oh wow you guys are still here?
It's quite obvious that the Hp Drain is not going to be touched. The sake of slow parts in a map that will cause you to fail if you miss one beat are there on purpose, it's a well known mapping technique.
I'll try that map out later.ImmortalChibi wrote:
Okay, for REAL last post. This is for you, RagingBull in regards to:Try "When You Leave (NumaNuma) (Nightcore Mix)" by Alina Puscau, the Roddie's Hard (-Bakari-) difficulty. To make it even better, turn on SpunOut, the mod that is supposed to complete the spins for you and no others. Now play through the song, this challenge goes to anyone, and tell me that at no point your HP drops beyond your control to keep it up. Ever. That HP is 100% as long as your are swinging that clicker around.Raging Bull wrote:
Man what maps are you even playing?
Now it could be the map, it could be the drain, it could just be me in some way I guess I'm not hitting the buttons hard enough. BUT why run the risk of anything? Why not just a mod that fixes this issue? "Because it's not needed." Well this fucking game is not needed by the world, yet here we are all trying to enjoy it.
oh man my hp was spiraling out of control it was like i was being taken for a ride i had to hold onto somethingImmortalChibi wrote:
Okay, for REAL last post. This is for you, RagingBull in regards to:Try "When You Leave (NumaNuma) (Nightcore Mix)" by Alina Puscau, the Roddie's Hard (-Bakari-) difficulty. To make it even better, turn on SpunOut, the mod that is supposed to complete the spins for you and no others. Now play through the song, this challenge goes to anyone, and tell me that at no point your HP drops beyond your control to keep it up. Ever. That HP is 100% as long as your are swinging that clicker around.Raging Bull wrote:
Man what maps are you even playing?
Now it could be the map, it could be the drain, it could just be me in some way I guess I'm not hitting the buttons hard enough. BUT why run the risk of anything? Why not just a mod that fixes this issue? "Because it's not needed." Well this fucking game is not needed by the world, yet here we are all trying to enjoy it.
Hi, back from afk and didn't read anything else than your reply.ImmortalChibi wrote:
1. Right, I don't currently have the skill. How could I with such little game time? I'm not claiming to be insta-pro and this game is flawed. It's a small suggestion that I think could be very beneficial and not hurt anybody at all. I mean, if somebody is really upset that someone is playing a song without HP Drain, then they're one hella-egotistical bastard that probably looks down on everyone for using any of the easy mode mods.
2. I used a bomb because you do die... in the song. And I mean, it's very difficult to progress through a part if you only get a split second chance to try it out. If you couldn't tell, I was hesitant to use the metaphor and I also said, "the best way" that I could think of. It's very hard to come up with this situation in real life.
3. I did read that. And yes, I'm sure you're fantastic at Osu!. I applaud you for your skill, indeed. The trouble with most pros though, is that they fail recognize that not everyone has your skill and perhaps they don't even want it. What if someone just wants to do this game for fun? I mean, it's free and has a lot of nifty things in it. The difficulty of an HP Drain however, can get very frustrating and make a song unnecessarily hard.
>I said I don't know. I said I'd bet. It's a gamble. I accept that I very well could be wrong in this. I'd expect someone to be kind enough to just say, "Well actually...." Instead of, "You're a fucking gerbil with downs if you're guessing that about something which you have no knowledge of. Go kill yourself and never come back!"
5. I exaggerate a lot to try and make the mood comical. It is VERY likely someone can misinterpret this and take insult to it. This is not my intention. This was also a gamble. And, as you can tell, I've tried to handle myself very civilized with whatever somebody was saying and try to accurately put forth my ideals.
6. I don't fail to realize that I'm still fresh to the game. I'm basically going off of first impressions at this point. However, I'd like to ask if you've ever played League of Legends? It's a lot of point and click, high velocity game play. Knowing where and when to click can translate smoothly into Osu!. So I give myself SOME, albeit little, credit for this.
Lach wrote:
oh man my hp was spiraling out of control it was like i was being taken for a ride i had to hold onto somethingSPOILER
i even intentionally left a long 1/1 slider to see if i was unable to get health back(the dip)
this thread is going nowhere and i got a good laugh out of the shitstorm you kicked up.
Edit: nice skin person below me
albjaoiehanfk, I came back for the two that actually tried the map I set because of e-mails. Lol.Loli -[Koinuri] wrote:
I don't thing these tiny dents are going to make you fail... >.>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_lawImmortalChibi wrote:
THIS GAME IS HITLER!
Like 9 times.JeMhUnTeR wrote:
how many times did you say that it was your last post already? XD
now the point is, that specific map is made to be finished with perfection. HP drain allows mappers to give the players a challenge.
Oh my god that's hilarious! XDGoldenWolf wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_lawImmortalChibi wrote:
THIS GAME IS HITLER!
I knew it'd happen.
GoldenWolf wrote:
And yeah, the thing is; I don't even notice hpdrain anymore since a long time. You'll also stop looking at hpdrain over time, simply because you'll get better. And once your goal is to get Full Combo on a map, you won't look at hpdrain because it's useless lol. You want FC so you just gonna have to hit every note the most accurately possible. That is even more true when you aim for SS.
Alright alright, I understand what everyone means now by, "You don't even notice it." It's because it shouldn't be a factor when you're actually good at comboing and such. Took me entirely TOO LONG to understand that, but I got there. Slow and steady wins the race, alright guy? >:LGoldenWolf wrote:
Try the 0.5 stars one, you gonna laugh.
And yeah, the thing is; I don't even notice hpdrain anymore since a long time. You'll also stop looking at hpdrain over time, simply because you'll get better. And once your goal is to get Full Combo on a map, you won't look at hpdrain because it's useless lol. You want FC so you just gonna have to hit every note the most accurately possible. That is even more true when you aim for SS.
You can donate to osu! and you'll get that supporter badge, showing to the world how much you love this game. You also get a few extra features with it (That's doesn't affect the gameplay at all) => https://osu.ppy.sh/p/supportImmortalChibi wrote:
What's with all the Osu! Supporter tags underneath the pics, btw? Are those like the mod icons of Osu!?
cool.GoldenWolf wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_lawImmortalChibi wrote:
THIS GAME IS HITLER!
I knew it'd happen.
yeah right, hahaImmortalChibi wrote:
... I really need to get some sleep. But the internet... she beckons.
We donated money to osu!.ImmortalChibi wrote:
What's with all the Osu! Supporter tags underneath the pics, btw? Are those like the mod icons of Osu!?
How dare you tell me to try that 1/2 star song. That was unbearably slow. I'm pretty sure I had a birthday or two during that song. I actually wanted to fail just so it would end quicker.GoldenWolf wrote:
Seems you finally understand it lol
Well, better late than never (eh sounds weird in english)
That's also why I told you to play maps you can get good ranks, and even FC on. That's because you'll stop looking at hpdrain :3You can donate to osu! and you'll get that supporter badge, showing to the world how much you love this game. You also get a few extra features with it (That's doesn't affect the gameplay at all) => https://osu.ppy.sh/p/supportImmortalChibi wrote:
What's with all the Osu! Supporter tags underneath the pics, btw? Are those like the mod icons of Osu!?
You, sir or madam, can calm down. The topic has been resolved. I stand by this mod can be useful for the fresher players or the players that advance more slowly than others. However, it's not as useful as I once thought it would be for someone like myself or the people that have a million songs done already.Zeraphlol wrote:
10/10 troll.
ontopic: This mod is completely unnecessary. HP Drain is such a negligible part of this game at the level that you're playing at. I know its been said a lot already but you just need to play the game a lot. It's like joining the game playing an easy song getting an S and being like OK I'm gonna play [insert insane song with ridiculous drain stage] failing and then crying about it because you can't pass it.
But I.... ^(o.ov)..... /(-.-/)GoldenWolf wrote:
Shhh, you should sleep now :v
Reasons:1. this is a core element of slower songs with high drain and enforces a high accuracy performance on songs that are otherwise uneventful. issues with drain are usually a failure of the modding/mapping process and would not be ameliorated with a new mod, only hastily patched over.
1. Slower songs that I like, or songs with slower sections, prove to be quite difficult when the health return from the beats is not enough to keep you alive despite hitting them all.
2. Often times beatmap makers incorrectly gauge the proper setting for HP Drain, thus making the song impossible or nearly so to complete.
3. A lot of the more common and big name rhythm games do amazingly well, despite not having this additional standard difficulty. So sources show, it would not ruin the game.
Okay, let's address these.Ephemeral wrote:
1. this is a core element of slower songs with high drain and enforces a high accuracy performance on songs that are otherwise uneventful. issues with drain are usually a failure of the modding/mapping process and would not be ameliorated with a new mod, only hastily patched over.
2. see above
3. correlation != causation - a fundamental assertion of your argument here is that hp drain somehow takes something away from the game simply because it is something other games do not do. osu! is not and will not ever be any other rhythm game apart from some elements drawn from its mechanical inspirations (EBA, ouendan, so forth) and hp drain was a principle element for these games, often dramatically exaggerated over what is considered normal and acceptable in current mapping standards
we will not be considering adding such a feature at this time, partly because one exists that replicates similar intended functionality: nofail.
There were no tears.Wishy wrote:
This guy has spent more time crying on this forum about how he can't clear some easy diff because of drain than actually playing the game...
Lol'd@some guy saying this game revolves around HP leech, for all I know it's a completely useless feature for any decent player, unless you are playing HR while you are not good at it or you are playing VERY hard maps then it isn't an issue at all...
And then this guy starts talking about LoL, my god, if you had picked some serious e-sport but you had to choose the joke one.
boat wrote:
There's nothing elitist about it, there are plenty of maps on which the drain wont be an issue at all and there are solutions for those on which it is. This is marked invalid, it's not going to happen because you're one of the few who are butthurt about it. Don't take my words as the voice of the community, but from me personally, either play easier maps/stop sucking ass, use the alternatives provided or get lost.
This is the mechanic of the game, maps should be changed according to it rather than the engine according to them.
HP drain may make things harder, but there'd be little point to playing if everything was handed to you on a silver plate. People enjoy the challenge, half the fun is improving and being able to pass what's challenging.
It's kind of true, we're very elitist really. If you're gonna suck, suck in silence, most players tend not to care about you unless they're mappers making normal diffs for 12bpm songs. This game is pretty easy really, most games you have to think about what you're doing and the consequences of actions; in osu! you simply click the circles, doesn't get much simpler than that my friend.ImmortalChibi wrote:
boat wrote:
There's nothing elitist about it, there are plenty of maps on which the drain wont be an issue at all and there are solutions for those on which it is. This is marked invalid, it's not going to happen because you're one of the few who are butthurt about it. Don't take my words as the voice of the community, but from me personally, either play easier maps/stop sucking ass, use the alternatives provided or get lost.
This is the mechanic of the game, maps should be changed according to it rather than the engine according to them.
HP drain may make things harder, but there'd be little point to playing if everything was handed to you on a silver plate. People enjoy the challenge, half the fun is improving and being able to pass what's challenging.
This game, from the majority of replies to this topic, is EXTREMELY elitist. Surprised there isn't an "Elitist Jerks" website/forum for this game. I'm being genuine.
The debate could not be more over. At this point I'm simply defending my ideals while accepting they won't be implemented into the game.
Oh, I didn't realize it could cause problems with older maps. My programming knowledge is minimal and I thought it would just turn to empty code.peppy wrote:
For what it's worth, I removed HP drain from osu!stream, and I would still consider doing it in osu! were it not to cause issues with all previous records/maps.
