His main cause must be seeing people's reaction so he'll know when he can declare his free dictatorship without fear of the crowd. He is just tempting. Of course it's just my opinion.
Tanzklaue wrote:it really seems like erdogan expected something like this to happen.
i also support this, since the beginning it always felt like as if he was "testing" the crowd. it still does
Aeidxst wrote:His main cause must be seeing people's reaction so he'll know when he can declare his free dictatorship without fear of the crowd. He is just tempting. Of course it's just my opinion.
Tanzklaue wrote:it really seems like erdogan expected something like this to happen.
Guys, I just hope that we could keep this thread peaceful, without bashing each other.
Yes. I've been out in the streets with my friends. I only go home to sleep a bit about 4-5 hours a day.
So, here's a little summary of what I've been experiencing for the last couple of days:
I know the people are having a hard time understanding how fast that peaceful protest turned into a riot on such short notice. The reason is violence against protesters. Trust me, nobody deserved this at the beginning. It was just a couple hundred people taking shifts at the park so that it would be safe from demolishers. They were sleeping in tents, making music, reading, chatting, and laughing at most. Nothing violent or provocative took place. The police force was always there, making sure that things were safe. Then friday, at 5 am, they arrived with bigger numbers. They told people to leave the park so that the demolition could go on. People resisted and immediately after the police left the park, tear gas cannisters started to rain from the sky. Then they got back in the park with gas masks and started to beat up the protesters.
Yes, there was no reason for that. That's why people organised bigger demonstrations all around the country, and even in other countries. Around noon, the police force came back to the square again with even bigger numbers, and they started to shoot cannisters and using water cannons aiming directly at the faces and bodies of the people. The cannisters are deadly when pointed directly at people, you know. The manual says the they should be fired to the ground with a 45 degree angle.
People asked the local authorities to withdraw the police force and stop the tear gas, but they decided to appear on some TV channels, claiming that there was nothing wrong going on in the square, while the PM was speaking about how harmful smoking was in a conference. The police didn't stop, the amount of tear gas they used went way over necessary. So, the people started to flip out, as expected from any human being after being exposed to that much of it. I don't know if you guys ever experienced it first hand, but it is terrible. Just imagine that there's this white smoke all around you, you can't see because every time you try to open your eyes, you feel like someone is stabbing you in the eyes repeatedly. It's impossible to breathe, because every time you open your mouth, you just feel like you ate a handful of chili peppers and imagine that feeling going down to your lungs, instead of your stomach. Now imagine the cannisters being shot every 15-20 seconds. This is NOT for sympathy, it's merely a definition of what i've experienced.
On the contrary of what I read from some users, CHP (the main opposition), BDP (the secondary) and TKP (Turkish Communist Party that is not in the government) were not even there when these were happening. Friday evening around 7 pm, people organised even bigger demonstrations through the social media, without the influence of ANY political party, religion, political figure or views. Everyone was there as civils, they did not stand for any organisation. This is important. The goal was STILL to stop the police and get the PM and the local authorities to apologise.
They said that we were terrorists, vandals, anarchists etc. They said that they would do whatever necessary to keep us out of the square and build the mall at any cost. The police became even more brutal. They trapped people in narrow alleys and gassed them, beat them up over and over again. It was inhumane. There were stray dogs and alley cats affected by the tear gas, unconsciously lying around in the streets.
Me and my boyfriend tried to take shelter in a bar, but they shot cannisters inside and didn't let us leave the place. There were people inside with us that had no interest in demonstrations, and were just out to drink with friends. We ran away after they left to a friend's house in Tophane (a neighborhood just below Taksim) and we were chased by an armed group of people waving their knives and blades at us, chanting "Recep Tayyip Erdoğan", the name of our prime minister.
Yesterday a huge crowd was out in the streets, just because of what happened the day before. Now, what I'm gonna say might sound funny to you, but this is what we've seen throughout all our lives. Whenever there's a demonstration that is slightly bigger than expected, the police force infiltrates the crowd, trying to provoke them into doing violent shit, so that they'll have their reason to attack. Yes, this is a well-known strategy of Turkish Police Force. They tried to do that yesterday too. All the photos that show people vandalising, setting things on fire attacking others are unfortunately both the police disguised AND the people that were easily manipulated. The rest of the crowd tried to stop them as much as they could. They took huge debris that could be used as weapon away from them. The barricades that we built for the tanks were not made from debris of what they destroyed, but from reclaimed police parricades. They set cars on fire and we called the firefighters. They tried to stop them from coming to the square, we stopped them instead.
In the meantime, the police force was doing the same thing they did the day before in Beşiktaş (a district close to Taksim) to stop the people from joining us from there. The amount of gas used exceeded the amount on friday. They DID use expired tear gas, there are photos and videos of the cannisters. They did use an "orange gas" that was INDEED mistaken for "Agent Orange", though thank god it wasn't. There are also photos of 2 bigger gas tanks that has "Toxic" and "Explosive" labels on them.
The violence spread to other cities of resistance: Ankara and İzmir, where people were going through the same stuff as in Beşiktaş and that we have the day before. We tried to move there to help them. Because they were even bombing the houses of local folk that wanted to help the protesters. Some people that had motorcycles and cars nearby drove there to pick them up, but the police didn't let them through, just like they did with the ambulances.
The tear gas they were using there was different. Normally lemon and half-antiacid, half-water solutions cured the burning feeling, but this time they made it worse. We had rashes on our skins, and we couldn't stop the pain in our noses until we snorted a handful of vinegar. I couldn't do anything for my eyes, since I didn't want to risk using vinegar there.
Note that all the said groups were there yesterday. CHP, BDP, TKP, muslims, christians, jews, alewites, atheists, Turks, Kurds, Armenians etc... There were even tourists that had signs in their hands and shouting in Turkish: "Taksim is yours, Istanbul is yours". The provocators tried to seperate us screaming racist slurs, extremely religious comments ets... They destroyed everything they could before they were stopped by the protesters, to trick the public into believing that it was the protesters who were vandalising. It was one day that extreme left wing and extreme right wing stood together.
And this morning, we cleaned up the mess they left behind. We picked up the trash, sweeped aside the debris, organised trashbags and shit. Around 1000 policeman and 20 officers resigned from the police force throughout the country, to join the protesters, saying that the police force and the government must be insane to do this to their own people.
Above all these, our local media is keeping silent. Around 40-45% of the population does not have access to the internet and the PM is keeping the stations from broadcasting any news. There are only 1 web TV and 1 TV cahnnel that do the broadcasting even if it's against the orders of the PM, and the TV station's HQ is surrounded by cops and they're shooting cannisters inside the building everytime they see an open window. People are keeping themselves informed thanks to CNN, Al Jazeera, BBC and Reuters. It's impossible for the people that speak no english or don't have internet at home to know about ANY of these.
We will be out there again today, probably with even more people. Mind that there are also extreme muslims among us who voted for him in the last three elections. They say that they are against capitalism and destruction of cultural and historical values for the sake of the profit of a certain group of people.
So this is the main picture in the streets of Turkey. I hope you understand that we, as protesters have NO interest in violence, we DON'T call ourselves "fighters" of any kind. Even the extreme right wing ,that always favored the army, stands as antimilitarists with us. I assure you that we are NOT the cause of ANY type of violence or provocation and we're doing the best we can to stop the people from doing that.
If you read this far, thank you for your time. You're free to "believe" whatever you think what's going on here, but this is what I'm experienced right now. Please refrain from ANY type of accusations, or speculations and reply respecting each other.
Edit: Here's a video of people that were cornered and gassed in Beşiktaş.
And here's a photo of the mayor on TV. This is Mayor Mutlu. The text below is translated as "There's no negativity in Taksim right now". This was broadcasted right as we were being gassed on friday.
If any of the links are broken or something, let me know and I'll fix them as fast as I can.
Yes, at first it was like that. But now it is just a fight between politic sides and groups, plus innocent people being manipulated by them.
Mara wrote:So wait, I just woke up so I might go damdamduu, but I'll try to put the whole thing in one sentence;
Turkish people had a peaceful protest, till police forces went LOLKILLEMALL which leads to the biggest bloodfest ever.
do you have plans on leaving? your english seems to be good enough to live in britain or the states, so it could be an option for you.
UnderminE wrote:i must be honest, i really am not trying to change our government. Because there is noone in Turkey except Erdogan for this job. i don't like Erdogan yet i want him to stay there just to keep the country as Turkey. Both ways are horrible, i don't want to live in this country.
anyway, i dont think people will treat you as a terrorist anywhere in europe.
UnderminE's userpage wrote:Hi, I am not Arabic.
anyway, i dont think people will treat you as a terrorist anywhere in europe, we are not as "stupid" as some other places in the world.[/quote]
silmarilen wrote:[quote=UnderminE's userpage wrote]Hi, I am not Arabic.