08:52 Metro: 05:04:986 (4) - delete
08:52 Metro: 05:07:819 (4) - delete
08:52 Metro: 05:10:486 (5) - delete
08:52 Metro: 05:13:153 (4) - delete
08:52 Metro: and that's just mild overmapping
08:52 Metro: not even close to later in the song
08:53 Metro: 06:11:652 (3) - delete
08:53 Metro: 06:14:319 (5) - delete
08:54 CXu: well except the first one (the one at 04:986) the drums all play 3 times htough
08:54 CXu: the first one is following the guitar, though I have no idea why I followed the guitar there and nowhere else
08:55 Metro: see this is why we disagree so much
08:55 CXu: no I mean
08:55 Metro: it's not about following the instruments perfectly
08:55 Metro: you can map how the fuck you want
08:55 Metro: this is a marathon
08:55 Metro: and it's completely filled by long streams, which I'm okay with
08:55 Metro: but filled with triplets
08:55 Metro: EVERYWHERE
08:55 Metro: it's like o triplet
08:55 Metro: and this part of the map is mild!
08:55 Metro: it will get much worse!
08:56 CXu: well yes I use a lot of triples depending on the song
08:56 CXu: also about the slow section you were talking about
08:56 CXu: 15:55:040 - was it this?
08:57 Metro: 23:10:279 (2) -
08:57 Metro: look around here
08:57 Metro: MARATHON
08:57 Metro: 235 BPM
08:57 Metro: 2 TRIPLETS
08:57 CXu: well yeah
08:58 Metro: u know how many ppl will fuck up there?
08:58 Metro: u can't make a marathon map
08:58 CXu: probably a lot
08:58 Metro: and aim for only good players
08:58 Metro: marathon maps are supposed to be enjoyable for everyone
08:58 CXu: well tbh
08:58 Metro: your style is already hard enough
08:58 CXu: I was thinking of, after finishing this
08:58 CXu: to start a collab
08:58 CXu: for an easier difficulty
08:58 CXu: because yeah it is fairly hard in general
08:59 Metro: if that's the case then the overmapping can stay
08:59 Metro: my comment was because not many will be happy playing this
08:59 CXu: oh well all right
08:59 Metro: still, don't say lazy is bad
08:59 Metro: and should be fixed
08:59 CXu: yes it is
08:59 CXu: I mapped the last part of this song like
08:59 CXu: uuuh
09:00 CXu: while I was sleepy and shit and just did whateve without testing it
09:00 CXu: I played it yesterday and was like ok nope
09:00 Metro: ohh
09:00 Metro: this
09:00 Metro: 24:15:002 (2) -
09:00 Metro: it doens't fit
09:00 Metro: anything
09:00 Metro: when I saw I was like wtf is this guy doing
09:00 CXu: moe moe~~
09:00 Metro: moe moe fuck you
09:00 Metro: it breaks the intensity
09:00 Metro: for a stupid heart
09:00 Metro: shove it up your ass
09:00 Metro: and map like a man
09:01 CXu: I'm totally keeping this and adding a storyboard a moe moe kyun here
09:01 CXu: just for the sake of doing it
09:01 Metro: ........
09:01 Metro: 24:29:811 (1,2,3,4,5) -
09:01 Metro: this spacing variation looks horrible
09:01 CXu: what do you mean? that it just looks durr?
09:01 Metro: yeah
09:01 Metro: looks like crap
09:02 Metro: and doesn't fit ur mapping
09:02 CXu: huh well okay I'll rearrange it later or something
09:02 Metro: the parts I really want
09:02 Metro: to be fixed
09:02 Metro: about overmapping
09:02 Metro: are the slow songs
09:03 CXu: well yeah I was wondering if it was this part in particular you were referring to 15:55:040 -
09:04 Metro: 10:39:250 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) -
09:04 Metro: this is so not 2013
09:04 Metro: 10:49:502 (1) -
09:04 Metro: this is the first part I'm mad at
09:04 Metro: 11:04:826 (2,3,4) -
09:04 Metro: WHY
09:05 Metro: 11:12:270 (9,10,11,12,1) -
09:05 Metro: no streams fit this son
09:05 Metro: g
09:05 Metro: none at all
09:05 Metro: u just ruin it
09:05 Metro: wow
09:05 Metro: just watching hurts
09:06 Metro: 10:50:014 (3,4,5) - maybe these are ok
09:06 Metro: but after them..
09:06 CXu: well uh
09:07 CXu: 11:04:826 (2,3,4) - I dont really have any reason other than I found it cool to play
09:07 Metro: it doesn't matter!
09:07 Metro: it's a slow song!
09:07 CXu: while 11:12:270 (9,10,11,12) - is in the song
09:07 Metro: let it play peacefully
09:07 CXu: wlel yeah it's a slow song
09:07 Metro: in the vocals
09:07 Metro: she says
09:07 Metro: A-A-A
09:07 Metro: not A-A-A-A-A
09:07 Metro: follow the vocals
09:07 CXu: but my mapping still makes you pump out a constant 1/2 thouhg
09:08 Metro: yeah that's something that can be fixed too
09:09 Metro:
http://puu.sh/2VRFZ.jpg09:09 Metro: stuff like these
09:09 Metro: are not hard to play at all
09:09 Metro: and they fit the song
09:10 Metro: u can add pauses
09:10 Metro: and the ones I showed you
09:10 CXu: why did you put the snapping 1/3 when you screenshoted that xd
09:10 Metro: testing out shit
09:10 Metro: I'm not a mapper
09:10 Metro: I can make it work but it takes me time
09:10 Metro: it's 1/8
09:11 Metro: in your mind this song
09:11 Metro: should be a resting song
09:11 Metro: in the marathon
09:11 Metro: like in lucky star one
09:11 Metro: the daangard gabi
09:11 Metro: there were songs that were just to rest
09:11 Metro: this is one of those
09:11 Metro: 11:43:988 (1,1) -
09:11 Metro: I would delete these
09:12 Metro: too much 1/2 mania let the song rest when it rests
09:13 CXu: well yes it is a song for "resting"
09:13 Metro: so make players rest
09:14 Metro: not do triplets and 5's all the tiem
09:14 Metro: remove them all
09:14 CXu: but compared to the general difficulty of all the other songs, the difficulty here feels about right atleast for me
09:14 Metro: forget
09:14 Metro: difficulty
09:14 Metro: god dammit
09:14 Metro: it's a rest song
09:14 Metro: you abuse triplets
09:14 Metro: ALL throughout your map
09:14 Metro: give them a rest here
09:14 CXu: and I only 5's when there are drums in this song
09:14 CXu: I'll look into thetriples
09:15 Metro: 14:50:729 (3,4) -
09:15 Metro: instant 100
09:15 Metro: convert to slider
09:15 Metro: and I'd remove all circles here
09:15 Metro: ppl just gonna rage
09:16 CXu: you mean the whole slowdown of no, thank you?
09:16 Metro: y
09:16 Metro: gonna be 100 hell
09:16 Metro: 15:54:861 (5) -
09:17 Metro: this is where shit starts in an even slower song
09:17 Metro: again with the triplets
09:17 Metro: stop it
09:17 Metro: 16:11:208 (7,8) -
09:17 Metro: how do these fit
09:17 Metro: ...
09:17 Metro: 16:13:903 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -
09:17 Metro: or these
09:17 CXu: 14:50:729 (3,4) - I'll convert this to a slider, the other 4 notes are on lyrics that are kind of chopped, so sliders dont feel good imo
09:17 CXu: 14:50:729 (3,4) - I'll convert this to a slider, the other 4 notes are on lyrics that are kind of chopped, so sliders dont feel good imo
09:18 Metro: yeah others are hard to convert
09:18 Metro: might just want to not map them or leave as it is
09:18 CXu: I'll leave them, cutting out the map before that part feels too awkward
09:18 Metro: k
09:19 CXu: yeah Soukuu no Monologue has the let's go drums in the background, which is what I'm mapping
09:19 Metro: fuck them
09:19 Metro: leave them mapped right in the transition
09:20 Metro: but not before
09:20 Metro: 17:11:387 (1) -
09:20 Metro: triplet and stream spacing here
09:20 Metro: is HELL
09:20 Metro: people are going to miss so badly here
09:20 Metro: I would quit if I missed on a spaced triplet
09:20 Metro: spaced triplets are the worse thing that happened to osu
09:20 CXu: haha yes
09:20 CXu: I'll reduce spacing on that section
09:20 Metro: I don't mind the "jumps"
09:20 CXu: idk I was a bit ambitious while mapping that part
09:21 Metro: they're a bit over the top
09:21 Metro: but the streams need to be toned down
09:21 CXu: well reducing the streams would need reduction in the jumps as well I guess
09:21 CXu: since the streams determine cursorspeed
09:21 Metro: your choice
09:22 Metro: looking at
09:22 Metro: 18:08:692 (1) -
09:22 Metro: this song
09:22 Metro: still really overmapped
09:22 Metro: with the triplets
09:23 Metro: for example
09:23 Metro: 18:45:698 (1,2,3) -
09:23 Metro: this is horrible
09:23 CXu: anyhow back to that slow song, my thoughts when mapping the drums instead of the chorus, it was mostly to kind of make the chorus stand out/feel more difficult than before (yes difficult, because the chorus is more of a climax to a song)
09:23 CXu: anyhow back to that slow song, my thoughts when mapping the drums instead of the chorus, it was mostly to kind of make the chorus stand out/feel more difficult than before (yes difficult, because the chorus is more of a climax to a song)
09:23 CXu: anyhow back to that slow song, my thoughts when mapping the drums instead of the chorus, it was mostly to kind of make the chorus stand out/feel more difficult than before (yes difficult, because the chorus is more of a climax to a song)
09:23 CXu: idk if it's a good approach or not mapping the background drums though
09:23 CXu: but I'd like more input on it anyway
09:23 Metro: you don't need
09:23 Metro: to make the chorus feel more difficult
09:23 Metro: this is my point
09:23 Metro: that song
09:23 Metro: is just supposed to make you feel nice
09:23 Metro: not agitated
09:23 Metro: not challenged
09:24 Metro: you're supposed to feel nice and relaxed
09:24 Metro: that's it
09:24 CXu: that depends on the individual though
09:24 Metro: that depends on the whole mapset
09:24 Metro: you overmap a lot
09:24 Metro: give it a rest there
09:24 CXu: also 16:18:034 - this is the logical place to start mapping the drums if I do change the chorus btw
09:25 CXu: also per definition, I don't really overmap "a lot"
09:25 Metro: yes
09:25 Metro: when she says
09:25 Metro: let's go
09:25 Metro: you can already map to that
09:25 Metro: per definition you don't
09:25 Metro: but this is overmapped as fuck
09:25 Metro: you overmap with spacing mostly
09:25 Metro: always
09:26 Metro: but here it's not the spacing but the constant abuse of triplets and 5's and streams
09:26 CXu: I don't know why you call it abuse of triples
09:26 Metro: because you keep abusing them
09:26 Metro: instead of doing creative 1/2 paterns
09:26 Metro: or something else
09:26 Metro: anyone can map abusing triplets
09:28 CXu: well, if you don't like triples, then that's that, but it's still not abusing triples unless they're placed completely randomly, which, atleast for the most part (I can't say for 100%of the map because I dont remember) they aren't
09:28 CXu: well, if you don't like triples, then that's that, but it's still not abusing triples unless they're placed completely randomly, which, atleast for the most part (I can't say for 100%of the map because I dont remember) they aren't
09:28 Metro: it's not about my personal opinion on triplets
09:28 Metro: or wether you're placing them to something in the music or not
09:28 Metro: if some music has triplets all over it
09:28 Metro: that doesn't mean you need to put triplets all over it
09:28 Metro: you're not copying the music
09:28 Metro: but making your own map, an interpretation of the music
09:28 Metro: if you interpretation
09:29 Metro: is to copy every single thing you hear
09:29 Metro: then you're not creating but copying
09:29 CXu: uhm well, that's how I've mapped since whenever so okay
09:30 CXu: I mean I don't map everything I hear all the time or whatever, but for the most part
09:30 CXu: yes I map listening to the music
09:30 Metro: that's good
09:30 Metro: and maybe some musics have helped you
09:30 Metro: but now you've mapped a 25 minute song
09:30 Metro: and when all you see is triplets
09:30 Metro: it gets tedious and boring
09:30 Metro: triplets and streams
09:32 CXu: I've tried to map every song with a different quirk without breaking the overall style of the map though
