08:52 Metro: 05:04:986 (4) - delete 08:52 Metro: 05:07:819 (4) - delete 08:52 Metro: 05:10:486 (5) - delete 08:52 Metro: 05:13:153 (4) - delete 08:52 Metro: and that's just mild overmapping 08:52 Metro: not even close to later in the song 08:53 Metro: 06:11:652 (3) - delete 08:53 Metro: 06:14:319 (5) - delete 08:54 CXu: well except the first one (the one at 04:986) the drums all play 3 times htough 08:54 CXu: the first one is following the guitar, though I have no idea why I followed the guitar there and nowhere else 08:55 Metro: see this is why we disagree so much 08:55 CXu: no I mean 08:55 Metro: it's not about following the instruments perfectly 08:55 Metro: you can map how the fuck you want 08:55 Metro: this is a marathon 08:55 Metro: and it's completely filled by long streams, which I'm okay with 08:55 Metro: but filled with triplets 08:55 Metro: EVERYWHERE 08:55 Metro: it's like o triplet 08:55 Metro: and this part of the map is mild! 08:55 Metro: it will get much worse! 08:56 CXu: well yes I use a lot of triples depending on the song 08:56 CXu: also about the slow section you were talking about 08:56 CXu: 15:55:040 - was it this? 08:57 Metro: 23:10:279 (2) - 08:57 Metro: look around here 08:57 Metro: MARATHON 08:57 Metro: 235 BPM 08:57 Metro: 2 TRIPLETS 08:57 CXu: well yeah 08:58 Metro: u know how many ppl will fuck up there? 08:58 Metro: u can't make a marathon map 08:58 CXu: probably a lot 08:58 Metro: and aim for only good players 08:58 Metro: marathon maps are supposed to be enjoyable for everyone 08:58 CXu: well tbh 08:58 Metro: your style is already hard enough 08:58 CXu: I was thinking of, after finishing this 08:58 CXu: to start a collab 08:58 CXu: for an easier difficulty 08:58 CXu: because yeah it is fairly hard in general 08:59 Metro: if that's the case then the overmapping can stay 08:59 Metro: my comment was because not many will be happy playing this 08:59 CXu: oh well all right 08:59 Metro: still, don't say lazy is bad 08:59 Metro: and should be fixed 08:59 CXu: yes it is 08:59 CXu: I mapped the last part of this song like 08:59 CXu: uuuh 09:00 CXu: while I was sleepy and shit and just did whateve without testing it 09:00 CXu: I played it yesterday and was like ok nope 09:00 Metro: ohh 09:00 Metro: this 09:00 Metro: 24:15:002 (2) - 09:00 Metro: it doens't fit 09:00 Metro: anything 09:00 Metro: when I saw I was like wtf is this guy doing 09:00 CXu: moe moe~~ 09:00 Metro: moe moe fuck you 09:00 Metro: it breaks the intensity 09:00 Metro: for a stupid heart 09:00 Metro: shove it up your ass 09:00 Metro: and map like a man 09:01 CXu: I'm totally keeping this and adding a storyboard a moe moe kyun here 09:01 CXu: just for the sake of doing it 09:01 Metro: ........ 09:01 Metro: 24:29:811 (1,2,3,4,5) - 09:01 Metro: this spacing variation looks horrible 09:01 CXu: what do you mean? that it just looks durr? 09:01 Metro: yeah 09:01 Metro: looks like crap 09:02 Metro: and doesn't fit ur mapping 09:02 CXu: huh well okay I'll rearrange it later or something 09:02 Metro: the parts I really want 09:02 Metro: to be fixed 09:02 Metro: about overmapping 09:02 Metro: are the slow songs 09:03 CXu: well yeah I was wondering if it was this part in particular you were referring to 15:55:040 - 09:04 Metro: 10:39:250 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - 09:04 Metro: this is so not 2013 09:04 Metro: 10:49:502 (1) - 09:04 Metro: this is the first part I'm mad at 09:04 Metro: 11:04:826 (2,3,4) - 09:04 Metro: WHY 09:05 Metro: 11:12:270 (9,10,11,12,1) - 09:05 Metro: no streams fit this son 09:05 Metro: g 09:05 Metro: none at all 09:05 Metro: u just ruin it 09:05 Metro: wow 09:05 Metro: just watching hurts 09:06 Metro: 10:50:014 (3,4,5) - maybe these are ok 09:06 Metro: but after them.. 09:06 CXu: well uh 09:07 CXu: 11:04:826 (2,3,4) - I dont really have any reason other than I found it cool to play 09:07 Metro: it doesn't matter! 09:07 Metro: it's a slow song! 09:07 CXu: while 11:12:270 (9,10,11,12) - is in the song 09:07 Metro: let it play peacefully 09:07 CXu: wlel yeah it's a slow song 09:07 Metro: in the vocals 09:07 Metro: she says 09:07 Metro: A-A-A 09:07 Metro: not A-A-A-A-A 09:07 Metro: follow the vocals 09:07 CXu: but my mapping still makes you pump out a constant 1/2 thouhg 09:08 Metro: yeah that's something that can be fixed too 09:09 Metro: http://puu.sh/2VRFZ.jpg 09:09 Metro: stuff like these 09:09 Metro: are not hard to play at all 09:09 Metro: and they fit the song 09:10 Metro: u can add pauses 09:10 Metro: and the ones I showed you 09:10 CXu: why did you put the snapping 1/3 when you screenshoted that xd 09:10 Metro: testing out shit 09:10 Metro: I'm not a mapper 09:10 Metro: I can make it work but it takes me time 09:10 Metro: it's 1/8 09:11 Metro: in your mind this song 09:11 Metro: should be a resting song 09:11 Metro: in the marathon 09:11 Metro: like in lucky star one 09:11 Metro: the daangard gabi 09:11 Metro: there were songs that were just to rest 09:11 Metro: this is one of those 09:11 Metro: 11:43:988 (1,1) - 09:11 Metro: I would delete these 09:12 Metro: too much 1/2 mania let the song rest when it rests 09:13 CXu: well yes it is a song for "resting" 09:13 Metro: so make players rest 09:14 Metro: not do triplets and 5's all the tiem 09:14 Metro: remove them all 09:14 CXu: but compared to the general difficulty of all the other songs, the difficulty here feels about right atleast for me 09:14 Metro: forget 09:14 Metro: difficulty 09:14 Metro: god dammit 09:14 Metro: it's a rest song 09:14 Metro: you abuse triplets 09:14 Metro: ALL throughout your map 09:14 Metro: give them a rest here 09:14 CXu: and I only 5's when there are drums in this song 09:14 CXu: I'll look into thetriples 09:15 Metro: 14:50:729 (3,4) - 09:15 Metro: instant 100 09:15 Metro: convert to slider 09:15 Metro: and I'd remove all circles here 09:15 Metro: ppl just gonna rage 09:16 CXu: you mean the whole slowdown of no, thank you? 09:16 Metro: y 09:16 Metro: gonna be 100 hell 09:16 Metro: 15:54:861 (5) - 09:17 Metro: this is where shit starts in an even slower song 09:17 Metro: again with the triplets 09:17 Metro: stop it 09:17 Metro: 16:11:208 (7,8) - 09:17 Metro: how do these fit 09:17 Metro: ... 09:17 Metro: 16:13:903 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 09:17 Metro: or these 09:17 CXu: 14:50:729 (3,4) - I'll convert this to a slider, the other 4 notes are on lyrics that are kind of chopped, so sliders dont feel good imo 09:17 CXu: 14:50:729 (3,4) - I'll convert this to a slider, the other 4 notes are on lyrics that are kind of chopped, so sliders dont feel good imo 09:18 Metro: yeah others are hard to convert 09:18 Metro: might just want to not map them or leave as it is 09:18 CXu: I'll leave them, cutting out the map before that part feels too awkward 09:18 Metro: k 09:19 CXu: yeah Soukuu no Monologue has the let's go drums in the background, which is what I'm mapping 09:19 Metro: fuck them 09:19 Metro: leave them mapped right in the transition 09:20 Metro: but not before 09:20 Metro: 17:11:387 (1) - 09:20 Metro: triplet and stream spacing here 09:20 Metro: is HELL 09:20 Metro: people are going to miss so badly here 09:20 Metro: I would quit if I missed on a spaced triplet 09:20 Metro: spaced triplets are the worse thing that happened to osu 09:20 CXu: haha yes 09:20 CXu: I'll reduce spacing on that section 09:20 Metro: I don't mind the "jumps" 09:20 CXu: idk I was a bit ambitious while mapping that part 09:21 Metro: they're a bit over the top 09:21 Metro: but the streams need to be toned down 09:21 CXu: well reducing the streams would need reduction in the jumps as well I guess 09:21 CXu: since the streams determine cursorspeed 09:21 Metro: your choice 09:22 Metro: looking at 09:22 Metro: 18:08:692 (1) - 09:22 Metro: this song 09:22 Metro: still really overmapped 09:22 Metro: with the triplets 09:23 Metro: for example 09:23 Metro: 18:45:698 (1,2,3) - 09:23 Metro: this is horrible 09:23 CXu: anyhow back to that slow song, my thoughts when mapping the drums instead of the chorus, it was mostly to kind of make the chorus stand out/feel more difficult than before (yes difficult, because the chorus is more of a climax to a song) 09:23 CXu: anyhow back to that slow song, my thoughts when mapping the drums instead of the chorus, it was mostly to kind of make the chorus stand out/feel more difficult than before (yes difficult, because the chorus is more of a climax to a song) 09:23 CXu: anyhow back to that slow song, my thoughts when mapping the drums instead of the chorus, it was mostly to kind of make the chorus stand out/feel more difficult than before (yes difficult, because the chorus is more of a climax to a song) 09:23 CXu: idk if it's a good approach or not mapping the background drums though 09:23 CXu: but I'd like more input on it anyway 09:23 Metro: you don't need 09:23 Metro: to make the chorus feel more difficult 09:23 Metro: this is my point 09:23 Metro: that song 09:23 Metro: is just supposed to make you feel nice 09:23 Metro: not agitated 09:23 Metro: not challenged 09:24 Metro: you're supposed to feel nice and relaxed 09:24 Metro: that's it 09:24 CXu: that depends on the individual though 09:24 Metro: that depends on the whole mapset 09:24 Metro: you overmap a lot 09:24 Metro: give it a rest there 09:24 CXu: also 16:18:034 - this is the logical place to start mapping the drums if I do change the chorus btw 09:25 CXu: also per definition, I don't really overmap "a lot" 09:25 Metro: yes 09:25 Metro: when she says 09:25 Metro: let's go 09:25 Metro: you can already map to that 09:25 Metro: per definition you don't 09:25 Metro: but this is overmapped as fuck 09:25 Metro: you overmap with spacing mostly 09:25 Metro: always 09:26 Metro: but here it's not the spacing but the constant abuse of triplets and 5's and streams 09:26 CXu: I don't know why you call it abuse of triples 09:26 Metro: because you keep abusing them 09:26 Metro: instead of doing creative 1/2 paterns 09:26 Metro: or something else 09:26 Metro: anyone can map abusing triplets 09:28 CXu: well, if you don't like triples, then that's that, but it's still not abusing triples unless they're placed completely randomly, which, atleast for the most part (I can't say for 100%of the map because I dont remember) they aren't 09:28 CXu: well, if you don't like triples, then that's that, but it's still not abusing triples unless they're placed completely randomly, which, atleast for the most part (I can't say for 100%of the map because I dont remember) they aren't 09:28 Metro: it's not about my personal opinion on triplets 09:28 Metro: or wether you're placing them to something in the music or not 09:28 Metro: if some music has triplets all over it 09:28 Metro: that doesn't mean you need to put triplets all over it 09:28 Metro: you're not copying the music 09:28 Metro: but making your own map, an interpretation of the music 09:28 Metro: if you interpretation 09:29 Metro: is to copy every single thing you hear 09:29 Metro: then you're not creating but copying 09:29 CXu: uhm well, that's how I've mapped since whenever so okay 09:30 CXu: I mean I don't map everything I hear all the time or whatever, but for the most part 09:30 CXu: yes I map listening to the music 09:30 Metro: that's good 09:30 Metro: and maybe some musics have helped you 09:30 Metro: but now you've mapped a 25 minute song 09:30 Metro: and when all you see is triplets 09:30 Metro: it gets tedious and boring 09:30 Metro: triplets and streams 09:32 CXu: I've tried to map every song with a different quirk without breaking the overall style of the map though
I wish I could help you out, really, I do, especially as you have worked quite a while with it. But my computer can't handle a song this long, can you cut out the parts I should time? Adjusting the offset should not really be that hard if you just cut it at, for example 20 minutes to 23 minutes. Sorry but well, it takes about 2-3 minutes for everything I do, which means it takes a bit too long time. Sorry
Well, I would, but I already have like 2938 red lines there (well not that many but you get the point) and it's kinda lots of work to cut it out and stuff xD Well yeah I'm just lazy, but it's fine, thanks for trying at least!
20:43:062 - unneeded, works with the previous one and with this the end comes a bit late. 22:19:137 - 22:21:390 - This and the previous one is deletable and you need to use 213 from 22:16:943 22:23:632 - delete this one too. 22:35:354 - Not necessary. 22:43:040 - ^
I will check it once again later on if you applied these.
IMHO the biggest challenge is that a lot of songs have changed(or even fluctuating during the song itself) BPM to make a smooth transition, which screws me up as I know all of the songs and I instinctively think about them in their original BPMs.