fripSide - sister's noise (TV Size) [Osu|Taiko]

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[Kirisame-Marisa]

Leyko wrote:

Hey hey, mod req from in-game pm! o3o

[Yia's Muzukashii]
00:38:876 (129,130) - If you place them like this, it would be soo much better: http://puu.sh/2SuhG.png

[Yia's Oni]
00:38:876 (129,130) - Just like I mentioned in muzu ^

the voice is starting at 00:38:876 -,so don't move them
This mapset is perfect. :3 Rank it plz.
Thanks Leyko's mods.
zx_baka_0502442
LunarSakuya
oops add [ Kirisame-Marisa ] to tags (without the spaces, or it'll show up weird)
Topic Starter
DarknessAngel
added lol
LunarSakuya
~<3
sammy711
love this INSANE diff and a star
怎麼還不rank
Topic Starter
DarknessAngel

sammy711 wrote:

love this INSANE diff and a star
怎麼還不rank
wow ~ thank you <3
我才剛泡而已啊QAQ
KaaiYukiChan
i can't found anything wrong with this beatmap, so sorry =w=a

btw i like the song XD
ertyukjh010
我特地冷靜了兩天,才寫這個的回覆

在我的立場來說,你要找我mod,就是希望可以讓地圖有進一步的改善

但是我眼見你的行為,只是單純為了揍數量可以給泡,而且為免節外生枝就全部否決

我知道我的mod並沒有很專業,但是對於Easy和Normal方面,我自問比很多mapper都更有經驗

而我花了數小時的mod,卻被你莫名其妙的全部ban掉,這是我生氣的最大原因

甚至我覺得你在回覆上的有些針對的語氣,我不知道是不是因為我的機械式語氣冒犯了你還是怎樣

雖然我知道,你可能是避免影響泡圖,所以才避免做不必要的修改,

但是對我來說你的Easy仍然有很多改善空間,現在為止頂多只是達到Rank標準而已

另一方面,我亦理解總不可能要你都聽從我的建議,這樣的說法也於理不合,但是這不代表我不會生氣

以上是我最後想說的
Topic Starter
DarknessAngel

ertyukjh010 wrote:

而我花了數小時的mod,卻被你莫名其妙的全部ban掉,這是我生氣的最大原因
你這樣說才是莫名其妙啊... 明明我已經盡量為了解釋反駁的理由而說了那麼多,卻被你說莫名其妙
難以理解
我再強調一次

DarknessAngel wrote:

也許你該思考下為什麼別人不想改的理由
因為我看你寫了很多所以我才認為必須花時間解釋為什麼我不改
要不然你知道我最近的回覆方法已經不像是之前一個個說到底有沒有改了
我不改可是"有理由的",可不是在無理取鬧
(在這邊試問一句,如果我懶得改mod中的提議,我會用心回覆別人的mod嗎)
(其實我現在/最近不想一個一個回的原因,就是想避免掉麻煩,用心回覆還會被別人罵)



有一些回覆呈現了一些不耐煩沒錯,因為有些提議我認為不該提
你要想想你在看mod的時候看到了很多不能改的東西的那種心情 (所謂"不能改"是沒有足夠的理由更動它),應該不至於完全沒有不耐煩的情緒吧?
請先撇開"你可能是避免影響泡圖"這種想法 (你看了我上面那一大篇解釋如果還是這種解讀,我非常失望)
我從你的mod中理解到"你的理想Easy和Normal是打得舒服幾乎不會讓人失誤"的那種類型
我的理想則是"在低難度追求一些創新"
這些理想的歧異造成意見不合是很正常的事
很遺憾沒能達成你的理想
但是你應該發現了,"mod並不是讓對方的東西變成你的理想,而是讓對方的東西「更加貼近他的理想」的同時,讓圖變得更好"
大部分拒絕率大的情況常常是modder和mapper之間理想偏差大甚至完全相反時會發生
所以我之前才說過要先看整個難度走向再提出建議,就是這個理由

你之前說過那個BAT的mod感覺有點敷衍 (你當時不是這樣說,我是直接從你的話聽出這意思,當然我知道還有其他意思我也不說得太白了lol)
我當時說:「不予置評」但是心理想的是:「你不懂他的精明之處啊...」
他好幾個建議我都想說"nice catch !!"了,我說的"some suggestions are nice !"可不是敷衍奉承
改掉而且心裡覺得很高興的那種踏實感,這是他給我的
為什麼-Gamu-提的幾乎是nazi的建議,我卻幾乎都接受了 ?
為什麼kosiga感覺好像也說得很多,也有不少難改的東西,我卻改了 ?
在其他圖,像Niva和Melophonbia的超大 (不是誇飾)篇mod我可以改到8成都改了,這什麼原因?
他們都有各自的精明之處,不同的觀點,秉持著的理念,這些都是要好好體會的

我不常mod圖,但是我自認為我從看mod中學到的東西,能體會到的東西,多了別人很多
mod和map,雖然是不同的動作,卻息息相關,緊密聯繫的

希望你有理解我想說的


突然想犯2一下... 這種情況果然還是看mod的人吃虧,modder說自己生氣就走掉了,也不想想當初mapper用心回覆後被針對,還必須克制心情波動再花了比"改掉"還更多好幾倍的時間解釋為什麼不改,想讓modder知道自己真的不能改,結果對方不信而且居然還在生氣!
我好委屈啊我好委屈啊我好委屈啊 !!! QAQ 以後真心不想回了,真的... orz
然後好友就被刪了...喂喂,都我的錯就對了,我的心情你考慮到了嗎 ? 就這麼想讓別人改你的東西嗎 ? 莫名其妙啊這是...
等你想清楚之後再加回來,我等
NoHitter
[General]
- The first kiai from 00:13:459 feels kind of off. The music isn't that strong to warrant kiai there IMO.

[Easy]
- With that amount of 1/2 sliders. This difficulty feels more like a Normal.
- 00:03:459 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Pretty confusing for an Easy. I suggest you change them to sliders like the previous combo.
- 00:20:126 (1,2,3) - Blanketing here isn't perfect.
- 00:30:126 (1,2,3,4) - The pattern as is looks not that good aesthetically. I also would recommend changing those 3/4 repeat sliders into 3/2 sliders instead like those in 00:33:459 (1).
- 00:37:834 () - You're missing a hitobject here. Your previous combos had a slider from the red tick to the white tick. I highly suggest you keep that consistency as this is an Easy diff. Add a slider from here to the next white tick. Don't forget to remove the note on the white tick.
- 00:39:501 () - Same as above.
- 00:43:459 (1) - Blanket this properly with the previous slider.
- 00:46:792 (1,2,3,4) - Current patterns looks not that good. I suggest changing it to this.
- 00:50:959 (2,4) - Not too sure about the overlap of these two sliders. They look not so good IMO.
- 00:54:084 (2) - The polarity here is off. I suggest you move this 1/2 back then extend by 1/2. Like this.

[Normal]
- Patterns here don't look that aesthetically good. They look really rushed ;_;
- 00:00:126 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2) - I find it awkward that the less complex pattern (sliders) are after the more complex ones. I recommend switching the order of the patterns - make sliders start first.
- 00:03:042 (6,7) - If you don't change your pattern above, then consider this mod: The stack here plays very awkwardly since the previous combo used a slider (00:01:376 (3)) in the part similar to this. Change pattern to slider.
- 00:15:126 (3) - Align the center of this such that the previous slider points to it. Looks better IMO. Like this
- 00:21:792 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - This pattern really looks ugly IMO. Consider using this pattern instead. Code here
- 00:33:459 (1) - Move this below a bit for better flow. Like this.
- 00:39:709 (4,1,2) - Change pattern to something like this? Looks better IMO.
- 00:46:792 (1,2,3,4) - The (4) is placed really oddly. Place it like thisso it will be consistent with (1,2,3).
- 00:51:792 (2,3,1) - Can you curve (1) properly? Like this.
- 01:02:209 (2,3) - Please don't curve really short sliders like this. They look very compressed and ugly IMO.
- 01:24:501 (4,5) - Too repetitive. You already used the same slider at 01:23:876 (3). I suggest something like this.
- 01:25:751 (1,2) - I recommend using this pattern.

[Hard]
- Use Tick Rate 2. So that the speedups and slowdown will be read more easily.
- 00:13:875 (2,3,4) - The stack here looks really ugly... Please rework it. I suggest something like this
- 00:52:625 (2,3,4) - Same as above. http://puu.sh/2Uvp5.jpg
- 01:09:500 (4,1) - Bad looking overlap.

[Insane]
- What's with the VERY INCONSISTENT 1/4 spacing? The compressed streams and streams are fine. The patternmapping is fair enough, but notes like 00:58:459 (1,2) - ; 01:00:438 (2,3) - ; 01:02:209 (2,3)- ; 01:05:855 (5,6); 01:07:209 (2,3,4) - ; all in the same chorus really should be consistent.
- Use Tick Rate 2. So that the speedups and slowdown will be read more easily.
- 00:10:959 (6,7,1) - Incorrect snapping. This should be in 1/6.
- 00:20:542 (4) - Center this on the slider end? Like this? It's offcenter at the moment.
- 00:46:271 (4) - Please don't curve really short sliders like this. They look very compressed and ugly IMO.
- 00:56:688 (11,1,2) - Really surprising jump. Even the music is not enough to justify such a large 1/4 spacing coming from a compressed stream. At the very least make the slider touch the previous note.

I'm a bit pressed for time right now, so I won't mod the Taiko diffs as in-depth, but the standard diff mods still stand.

[Yia's Taiko Oni]
- 00:09:292 (33,34,35,36,37) - dk kd k fits better, and the dk kd plays better.
- 00:10:959 (46,47,48,49,50,51,52) - Incorrect snapping. This should be in 1/6.

[zx's Taiko Oni]
- This diff feels very overmapped. The finishes added here don't quite fit with the song.
- 00:10:646 () - Add d here. You can hear the music here.
- 00:10:959 (43,44,45,46,47,48,49) - Incorrect snapping. This should be in 1/6.
- 00:23:667 (116) - d? The D doesn't fit the music at all.
- 00:27:521 (136) - Why use D here? The big note doesn't fit IMO.
- 00:29:084 (142,143) - The finishes don't match at all. Remove them.

Please get a couple more Taiko mods as well.
Popped for incorrect snapping in Insane, and Taikop Onis
Flask
o3o

[Yia's Muzukashii]
  1. 00:09:396 (26) - 感覺可以k耶
  2. 00:16:376 (45) - 小k就好
  3. 00:25:438 (81) - d
  4. 00:32:521 (108) - remove
  5. 01:21:376 (88) - k


[Yia's Oni]
  1. 00:08:458 (29) - k
  2. 00:09:917 (37) - k?
  3. 00:43:042 (154) - k?
  4. 00:43:771 (157) - k
  5. 00:45:438 (164) - k
  6. 00:45:855 (166) - d
  7. 00:54:396 (205,206,207,208) - dddk才對吧
  8. 01:21:375 (124) - k


[zx's Oni]
  1. 00:02:417 (6) - k
  2. 00:03:771 (11) - k
  3. 00:04:084 (12) - d (這裡跟上面那條主要是跟音樂
  4. 00:05:751 (18) - k
  5. 00:06:376 (20) - k
  6. 00:18:042 (82) - d
  7. 00:20:334 (97,98,99,100,101) - 這一段用連很奇怪 音樂也沒有特別有連的音.. 把(99)remove然後用dk dk?
  8. 00:38:251 (198) - d
  9. 00:41:167 (1) - 給我的直覺是跟背景音樂 不是一個轉盤了事

    好像太多連了..
popner
Just note that the drum track is 1/4 while the electric guitar track is 1/6, so I think both snap are fine. (in wcx's map I used 1/6, and wcx used 1/4)
NoHitter
The guitar is definitely sounds more prominent than the drums at that part.
Topic Starter
DarknessAngel

NoHitter wrote:

The guitar is definitely sounds more prominent than the drums at that part.
Both are okay, I choice to follow the drums cuz I don't really like to map 1/6 rhythm here...
[Kirisame-Marisa]

NoHitter wrote:

[Yia's Taiko Oni]
- 00:09:292 (33,34,35,36,37) - dk kd k fits better, and the dk kd plays better.Fixed
- 00:10:959 (46,47,48,49,50,51,52) - Incorrect snapping. This should be in 1/6. Don't change anything;If here make 1/6 will be hard to play.

Please get a couple more Taiko mods as well.
Popped for incorrect snapping in Insane, and Taikop Onis
Thanks NoHitter's mod
[Kirisame-Marisa]

Flask wrote:

o3o

[Yia's Muzukashii]
  1. 00:09:396 (26) - 感覺可以k耶 可以 只是前後太多k 這邊剛好偏低音所已放d 所以不改
  2. 00:16:376 (45) - 小k就好 已改
  3. 00:25:438 (81) - d 前後同音階 不改
  4. 00:32:521 (108) - remove 已改
  5. 01:21:376 (88) - k X


[Yia's Oni]
  1. 00:08:458 (29) - k X
  2. 00:09:917 (37) - k? 已改
  3. 00:43:042 (154) - k? 已改
  4. 00:43:771 (157) - k 已改
  5. 00:45:438 (164) - k X
  6. 00:45:855 (166) - d X
  7. 00:54:396 (205,206,207,208) - dddk才對吧 已改
  8. 01:21:375 (124) - k X
謝謝F醬
http://puu.sh/2Uyfp.rar
Topic Starter
DarknessAngel

NoHitter wrote:

[Easy]
- 00:03:459 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Pretty confusing for an Easy. I suggest you change them to sliders like the previous combo.
//I really want to keep this part cuz I like it... I added a new combo to help reading it, hope it works.
- 00:30:126 (1,2,3,4) - The pattern as is looks not that good aesthetically. I also would recommend changing those 3/4 repeat sliders into 3/2 sliders instead like those in 00:33:459 (1).
//I do not intend to use the same pattern here, so no change for it.
- 00:37:834 () - You're missing a hitobject here. Your previous combos had a slider from the red tick to the white tick. I highly suggest you keep that consistency as this is an Easy diff. Add a slider from here to the next white tick. Don't forget to remove the note on the white tick.
//ok I see, I'll do it for easy but not this time, since I intended to keep inconsistency for this diff when I was mapping. I don't wanna lose that thinking at beginning ;w;
- 00:39:501 () - Same as above. //so does it.

[Normal]

- 00:03:042 (6,7) - If you don't change your pattern above, then consider this mod: The stack here plays very awkwardly since the previous combo used a slider (00:01:376 (3)) in the part similar to this. Change pattern to slider.
//used this one.
- 01:25:751 (1,2) - I recommend using this pattern. //hmm... I feel current pattern is not that bad, I adjusted it a bit instead.


[Insane]
- What's with the VERY INCONSISTENT 1/4 spacing? The compressed streams and streams are fine. The patternmapping is fair enough, but notes like 00:58:459 (1,2) - ; 01:00:438 (2,3) - ; 01:02:209 (2,3)- ; 01:05:855 (5,6); 01:07:209 (2,3,4) - ; all in the same chorus really should be consistent.
//00:58:459 (1,2) is normal spacing for Kiai, the other stuff you motioned are jumps. some spacing are larger cuz I feel it should be more emphasized there. to me, the spacing changes are necessary.
- 00:56:688 (11,1,2) - Really surprising jump. Even the music is not enough to justify such a large 1/4 spacing coming from a compressed stream. At the very least make the slider touch the previous note.
//so is it. I really need it to emphasize those finish sounds.
the others fixed (except Taiko diffs which were not created from me and 1/6 rhythm you motioned), ty for modding ~ :)
Cihyaa
Hi ~ from PM

d= small don , k = small kat
D = BIG DON , K = BIG KAT
del = delete

[Yia's Muzukashii]
  1. 00:23:251 (70,74) - change d
  2. 00:23:459 (71,75,79) - change K
  3. 00:51:271 (170) - change k
  4. 01:09:188 - add k
  5. 01:18:876 (81) - → 01:19:084 (81)
  6. 01:19:084 (81) - change d
  7. 01:19:084 (81) - change K
  8. 01:23:459 (99) - change D


[Yia's Oni]
  1. 00:01:167 (3,13) - del
  2. 00:25:126 (63) - change d and 00:25:230 add d
  3. 01:23:563 add d (?
  4. 01:28:146 (164) - change d


[zx's Oni ]
  1. 00:03:355 (9) - del
  2. 00:20:542 (98) - del
  3. 00:20:438 (97,98) - change k k
  4. 00:55:646 (19,20) - change d k
  5. 01:03:876 (39) - → 01:03:980
  6. 01:28:667 (1) - (del?


♪~
[Kirisame-Marisa]

Cihyaa wrote:

Hi ~ from PM

d= small don , k = small kat
D = BIG DON , K = BIG KAT
del = delete

[Yia's Muzukashii]
  1. 00:23:251 (70,74) - change d X
  2. 00:23:459 (71,75,79) - change K X
  3. 00:51:271 (170) - change k X
  4. 01:09:188 - add k Fixed
  5. 01:18:876 (81) - → 01:19:084 (81) X
  6. 01:19:084 (81) - change d X(01:19:084 - no note)
  7. 01:19:084 (81) - change K X...which color do you want?
  8. 01:23:459 (99) - change D Fixed


[Yia's Oni]
  1. 00:01:167 (3,13) - del X
  2. 00:25:126 (63) - change d and 00:25:230 add d X
  3. 01:23:563 add d (? X
  4. 01:28:146 (164) - change d X



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