cookiezi was good before pp got implented, what are you talking about?
right now hes just farming pp to get 7k
right now hes just farming pp to get 7k
That's kinda what I was saying. Just because they farmed doesn't mean they're bad, infact they wouldn't be so popular due to their skill level if they weren't good.silmarilen wrote:
cookiezi was good before pp got implented, what are you talking about?
right now hes just farming pp to get 7k
There are actually some hard farmers who can't play insanes well. Hards don't improve your ability to play insanes either since most of them have simple spacing and patterns. The only thing I find hards useful for is improving single tapping speed.NoJoke wrote:
That's kinda what I was saying. Just because they farmed doesn't mean they're bad, infact they wouldn't be so popular due to their skill level if they weren't good.silmarilen wrote:
cookiezi was good before pp got implented, what are you talking about?
right now hes just farming pp to get 7k
I do agree, however seeing the only way to play an insane very well is to memorize where the paterns are going to emerge next. That way you'll be telling your brain, "Hey, I'll need to keep my mouse closer to this general location because a line of notes are about to appear." and so forth.Almost wrote:
There are actually some hard farmers who can't play insanes well. Hards don't improve your ability to play insanes either since most of them have simple spacing and patterns. The only thing I find hards useful for is improving single tapping speed.
Agreed. Once again I never said he was a bad player. He's a great player and he deserves his rank, that's what my posts were all about all along. If you deserve such a ranking then I see no problem in farming for the rank. However let's say you're like me that can't pass many hard maps on DT/DS/HD/FL it simply means it's where you should be and you shouldn't farm until you're ready.AdonixSS wrote:
At least I never see Cookiezi farming easy maps
HDDT Remote control against other random easy hards 100% is entirely two different gradations
This thread is about the pp farmers who farm hard difficulties and don't deserve the rank they have (like me).NoJoke wrote:
Agreed. Once again I never said he was a bad player. He's a great player and he deserves his rank, that's what my posts were all about all along. If you deserve such a ranking then I see no problem in farming for the rank. However let's say you're like me that can't pass many hard maps on DT/DS/HD/FL it simply means it's where you should be and you shouldn't farm until you're ready.AdonixSS wrote:
At least I never see Cookiezi farming easy maps
HDDT Remote control against other random easy hards 100% is entirely two different gradations
If you find yourself able to beat a good amount of insane maps I see nothing wrong with farming your PP to become one of the top 1,000 seeing you deserve it. Over time whileast farming you'll be getting better along the way so once you hit that point you'll be right where you should be. At that point, it's a matter of playing with others around your skill level and testing yourself to say "Hey, I don't belong here..." or "Hey, I belong slightly higher!" which if you feel your peers around your PP are significantly lower than you, farm.
This way you'll be with the peers you belong in. However you could be ranked 300k and still be able to do better than a top 10 if you know what you're doing so overall, rank means nothing in the end. It's just a flashy number that gives out fame. I'd prefer to stay where I belong and stay away from the top ranks so I don't draw attention. I can tell it would be quite tedious to play a single map and have hundreds of people watching me when I first get up in the morning to practice!
But that means, that you have to have fun and keep the fun on playing the same annoying part, over and over again and when getting further, you will eventually fail again in the first part again..NoJoke wrote:
I do agree, however seeing the only way to play an insane very well is to memorize where the paterns are going to emerge next. That way you'll be telling your brain, "Hey, I'll need to keep my mouse closer to this general location because a line of notes are about to appear." and so forth.Almost wrote:
There are actually some hard farmers who can't play insanes well. Hards don't improve your ability to play insanes either since most of them have simple spacing and patterns. The only thing I find hards useful for is improving single tapping speed.
As long as you can keep up with the notes, all you'd need to do is memorize the majority of the pasterns of the map and you're set.
That's a common misconception.Iluya wrote:
You might also consider, that some ppl arent 16 anymore and it isnt that easy anymore to get more speed. A younger body is better capeble of adapting to speed.
That's the point, the misconception is that there's a rule that says getting older equals getting worse at stuff like dexterity and other video-game related abilities. For many people it's really the opposite.boat wrote:
It's not a misconception at all, it's just very situational and doesn't apply to everybody.
people dont play insanes by memorization, 95% of it is sight read and memorization is only on hidden or when the ar is too high (generally ar10+ altho a lot of people are getting better at sightreading those aswell)NoJoke wrote:
I do agree, however seeing the only way to play an insane very well is to memorize where the paterns are going to emerge next. That way you'll be telling your brain, "Hey, I'll need to keep my mouse closer to this general location because a line of notes are about to appear." and so forth.Almost wrote:
There are actually some hard farmers who can't play insanes well. Hards don't improve your ability to play insanes either since most of them have simple spacing and patterns. The only thing I find hards useful for is improving single tapping speed.
As long as you can keep up with the notes, all you'd need to do is memorize the majority of the pasterns of the map and you're set.
rank 6k and having trouble with insanes can hardly be called a hard farmerIluya wrote:
I'm one of those you might consider a hard farmer. But i get my satisfaction in playing maps, that i find fun to play. Thats often the hard one, as the insane is just so fast / has long streams / patterns i just dislike, i can barely get a B on them.
That is not what i said/meant. I related purely to speed. And especially to the ability to gain it. So all i was pointing out was, that if you are younger it is easier to gain the speed. I havnt said you cannot gain them or you even lose it.Aqo wrote:
That's the point, the misconception is that there's a rule that says getting older equals getting worse at stuff like dexterity and other video-game related abilities. For many people it's really the opposite.boat wrote:
It's not a misconception at all, it's just very situational and doesn't apply to everybody.
What it honestly boils down to is the fact whatever you may find fun should be what matters in the end. Games are created and developed for fun. Of course there will be competitive play; however you have to consider if you're going into competitive play with a certain game you must find it fun to begin with and actually get good at the game. How you get good is your own way of training yourself.Iluya wrote:
That is not what i said/meant. I related purely to speed. And especially to the ability to gain it. So all i was pointing out was, that if you are younger it is easier to gain the speed. I havnt said you cannot gain them or you even lose it.
Another thing is: Most competitive video games are also depending on skills like strategy, or situational reactions, which are highly experience-based. In Osu that part would be pattern recognition, bpm-pattern relations and common conceptions of maps, which are learned by playing more, thus "older ppl" might have an advantage here.
Can you clarify what you mean by "low level player" and "high rank"? I don't think I've seen a single player in top 1k pp that can't FC or at least pass a medium-difficulty insane with decent to high accuracy. Even those top 100 players considered "hard farmers" have some ridiculous records. and FYI not all hard difficulties are faceroll easy with mods. "Hard farmers" like silynn and shadowsoul have some HDDT records on hard diffs that are actually really difficult to pull off.scenekidz wrote:
I have been noticing a lot of low level players with real high ranks
These guys tend to get caught and banned so it doesn't really affect anyone in any way.scenekidz wrote:
The question I have is this...Why would you hate on the PP farmers if there are actually lots of people out there who hack this game to get 100 percent SS on insane maps with all mods? I find it sad that people must hack a music game.
OR that they haven't been in the game long enough to even know what is farming.Wishy wrote:
What I find amazing is the amount of players who are just plain bad/terrible and keep commenting on some specific threads.
Meaning players with 1k/2k plays who can't even play Insanes, or those who keep playing Easies. x/
Most hards with triple mods are not that easy...loukhz wrote:
I hate when ppl farm top rank on low level song liek easy/normal/hard with triplemod etc. Like when i first start this game , i would be so glad to be in the top rank of a song beetwen those player on my level... They should put a level restriction or smthg like that on that pp system idk.
But I don't care about GOOD player farming pp on insane etc coz they don't really have nothing else to make this game harder.
Well it isn't but i feel like it's kinda lame for them to play hard while there are so many map harder with differents levels like another/special/TAG etc i mean...Almost wrote:
Most hards with triple mods are not that easy...loukhz wrote:
I hate when ppl farm top rank on low level song liek easy/normal/hard with triplemod etc. Like when i first start this game , i would be so glad to be in the top rank of a song beetwen those player on my level... They should put a level restriction or smthg like that on that pp system idk.
But I don't care about GOOD player farming pp on insane etc coz they don't really have nothing else to make this game harder.
That's why we have OWCsilmarilen wrote:
because pp is supposed to show skill, and if there are 3 hard farmers in the top10 above people that can 99% od10 high difficulty insanes, then its not very accurate.
its not so much the hard farmers that are hated, its the pp system that favours farming hards thats hated. if hards stopped giving so much pp nobody would complain.
I think 10k rank suits me. :3[AirCoN] wrote:
well, pp farming is kinda useless now seeing how peppy created a new system called ppv2.
on that note, i dropped ~8400 ranks in ppv2, and almost(the user) dropped ~9400 ranks. peppy fix pls
don't like a thread? discuss ppv2 there. guraranteed lock!winber1 wrote:
and yet another thread will be locked because ppv2
gg
But you also have to remember that most hard farmers aren't pro such as myself. I farm hards a lot, but give me something actually difficult, and I will fail utterly.Kaoru wrote:
If you guys want this thread to live, I suggest scrapping the ppv2 discussion. It will devolve into baseless criticism and get locked.
My personal opinion on pp farmers (as a pp farmer):
While farming hards may not (keywords "may not") take very much skill, that doesn't change the fact that a good score on a hard is oftentimes more highly contested on the leaderboards than an insane. This means it will be more diffiicult to get good ranks, and thus, more difficult to rank up. The more farming and exploiting there is, the harder it is to retain or try for a good rank. If everyone attempted to pp farm, I think the leaderboards would be even more accurate. I think almost all players desire pp anyways (keywords "almost all"). I am by no means trying to say playing hards is super skillful, but I do think it requires a significant amount of skill. People will immediately judge pp farmers for having a lack of skill when I have seen these pp farmers play some crazy stuff. Take for instance ShadowSoul. He was widely known for being a pp farmer, but recently his plays have been REALLY pro. People still call him a pp farmer, but I personally think he deserves a spot in the top 20 (if not higher).
So TL;DR: pp farming requires more skill than people think it does due to a variety of reasons and because of this people will underestimate a pp farmers' ability to play difficult maps.