Curious, a lot of people around these forums seem to dislike others for trying to get high in the game's primary ranking.
Why?
Why?
or a 200bpm [insane]DTAqo wrote:
Nobody dislikes PP farmers, that's where you're wrong Silynn.
People just wrongly think that somebody in top50 with [Hard]s in their best performance is at the same skill level as somebody with [Hard]s in their top performance who isn't, which is far from true, but most people don't know all the maps in this game by heart and don't realize the difference between a 140bpm [Hard]DT and a 200bpm [Hard]DT.
I find this hard to believe, lol (because it's wrong - even if you don't dislike pp farmers that doesn't mean it's true for everyone)Aqo wrote:
Nobody dislikes PP farmers, that's where you're wrong Silynn.
While the system does have flaws, I can point out to you exactly why this map isn't worth that much PPsilmarilen wrote:
this map https://osu.ppy.sh/b/192508&m=0 which is already harder to fc nomod than the other one is to fc with hd dt has only 5 hd hr scores and the #1 doesnt even have it in his top 10 performances and hes not even top100
ok so by using logic you showed why the one map would give more pp than the other. then lets look at another example: me.Silynn wrote:
I find this hard to believe, lol (because it's wrong - even if you don't dislike pp farmers that doesn't mean it's true for everyone)Aqo wrote:
Nobody dislikes PP farmers, that's where you're wrong Silynn.
But yes, most people don't realize that the boundaries set by a difficulty name (hard or insane) are very very vague (some insanes are easier than average hards, and some hards are harder than a lot of insanes)
I mostly started this thread because of this exact misconception (just because it is labeled "hard" does not mean it is easier than an insane, especially when stacking DT)
I'd like to see someone tell me that this on DT isn't harder than 95% of the insanes in the game.
Not to mention, why does it matter that a lot of hards are weighted such? If they were truly so easy, they would be weighted lower by the system (difficulty is not necessarily difficulty to FC -- accuracy matters a lot in PP, which makes sense, since this is a game about clicking circles to a beat)While the system does have flaws, I can point out to you exactly why this map isn't worth that much PPsilmarilen wrote:
this map https://osu.ppy.sh/b/192508&m=0 which is already harder to fc nomod than the other one is to fc with hd dt has only 5 hd hr scores and the #1 doesnt even have it in his top 10 performances and hes not even top100
1. the pp system doesn't care about map difficulty, it only cares about what the leaderboard looks like.
2. the pp system is heavily based on accuracy. while you may disagree with this, it makes a lot of sense (as I said above)
and if you sort the map by no mod scores, what do you see? A full page of SS ranks.
also, that map has a pretty decent play count, but not particularly high (kuusou has 420,000 plays on the hard diff, not to mention the entire page is HDDT scores and there's only 6 SS with that many)
yesilmarilen wrote:
ok so by using logic you showed why the one map would give more pp than the other. then lets look at another example: me.
my whole top10 performance is hd fl on incredibly easy maps yet im almost top500 pp (i used to be top500). how is that fair?
and dont tell me i used a lot of plays so its dedication, because some of them were done in less than 20 plays
silmarilen wrote:
that map gave me 1pp
i was more talking about these ones
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/40379?m=0
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/201644?m=0
Blue Dragon just pointed the biggest shit in the pp system, I love him for that.PP system is basically ACCURACY.Blue Dragon wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/134551&m=0 barely gave me pp while HD+HR people get 242443932498 pp from it
I hate how this system is fully based on accuracy lol
>implying people who farm hard's can't play InsaneDefacer wrote:
On topic: I personally don't understand someone, how can he live knowing he is ranked top #100 in global performance and have Hard as his top performance o_O, I would rather quit this game.If I am top100 I would be expected to play AT LEAST insane maps, right?
Oh no I should be ashamed and kill myself now as I have [Hard] maps as my top performance andDefacer wrote:
Blue Dragon just pointed the biggest shit in the pp system, I love him for that.PP system is basically ACCURACY.Blue Dragon wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/134551&m=0 barely gave me pp while HD+HR people get 242443932498 pp from it
I hate how this system is fully based on accuracy lol
osu! is the only game in which hard can give more power than insane, and some people JUST CONTINUE CLAIMING that HARD+DT isn't that easy, WELL put some DT(or even HR) on insane and check again.I am simply amazed how I get pp for random nomod S on a fucking LAME map while I enter top40 or at least top100 on a harder map WITH DT and get 0~1pp each time.
On topic: I personally don't understand someone, how can he live knowing he is ranked top #100 in global performance and have Hard as his top performance o_O, I would rather quit this game.If I am top100 I would be expected to play AT LEAST insane maps, right?And I don't hate those people cause everybody is free to do what he wants, what I am saying is that pp system sux.
Ya, I don't know how RUCKER can live with himself having a [Hard] as his top performance, you are right. That jerk. GOSH! He is just a hard spammer who can't even pl-Defacer wrote:
Blue Dragon just pointed the biggest shit in the pp system, I love him for that.PP system is basically ACCURACY.Blue Dragon wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/134551&m=0 barely gave me pp while HD+HR people get 242443932498 pp from it
I hate how this system is fully based on accuracy lol
osu! is the only game in which hard can give more power than insane, and some people JUST CONTINUE CLAIMING that HARD+DT isn't that easy, WELL put some DT(or even HR) on insane and check again.I am simply amazed how I get pp for random nomod S on a fucking LAME map while I enter top40 or at least top100 on a harder map WITH DT and get 0~1pp each time.
On topic: I personally don't understand someone, how can he live knowing he is ranked top #100 in global performance and have Hard as his top performance o_O, I would rather quit this game.If I am top100 I would be expected to play AT LEAST insane maps, right?And I don't hate those people cause everybody is free to do what he wants, what I am saying is that pp system sux.
^thisThatgooey wrote:
I really wish people would put less emphasis on the amount of PP they get from playing a map and care more about the fact that they got a top15 on a map in the first place. That is reward enough. That is actual progress that you can see. It's right there in front of you, you just got rank 15 on an insane map. Why do you want more? I smile every god damn time I make a top40 with mods on an insane map. It's a good feeling. I don't give a shit about the performance points, I just ranked higher than a player who I know is good, and probably better than me. I can physically see my name placed above them on the scoreboard for that song.
How I realized that, yes.Silynn wrote:
stefan: do people really think that
I am obviously not implying this, also apparently my words come to your head really really offensive, as I am being mocked by 2-3 people there, obviously we have language misunderstandings, also I was joking but some people just got offended by this apparently, I kinda realized when I translate directly from my language it just sucks for others, also any other addition like sarcasm etc isn't valid on the internet, ok w/e.Zarerion wrote:
>implying people who farm hard's can't play InsaneDefacer wrote:
On topic: I personally don't understand someone, how can he live knowing he is ranked top #100 in global performance and have Hard as his top performance o_O, I would rather quit this game.If I am top100 I would be expected to play AT LEAST insane maps, right?