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t+pazolite feat. Rizna - Distorted Lovesong [Osu|Taiko]

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Makar
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Makar
sorry orz

Log for the taiko mod:
SPOILER
20:07 Makar:  /np the map
20:07 *kazukisinx is listening to t+pazolite - Distorted Lovesong
20:07 kazukisinx: oh wat
20:08 *kazukisinx is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/229806 t+pazolite - Distorted Lovesong]
20:10 Makar: okay
20:12 Makar: I don't really like the use of 1/6 in this
20:12 Makar: 1/6 at high BPM is more of a "unsubmit" thing that is done in taikos
20:12 Makar: no ranked maps actually does it to an extreme
20:13 kazukisinx: what you think i should put to replace them
20:13 Makar: I would suggest 1/4
20:13 Makar: instead of 1/6
20:13 Makar: ex
20:13 Makar: 01:20:672 (124,125,126,127,128) - 
20:13 Makar: you can jsut do kkkkk
20:13 Makar: instead of (kkkk) k
20:15 kazukisinx: changed to kkk k
20:15 kazukisinx: (1/4)
20:15 Makar: kk
20:15 Makar: 03:18:797 (87,88,89,90) - 
20:15 Makar: you can eithe rdo kkd
20:15 Makar: or
20:15 Makar: combine it with the stream
20:15 Makar: to make the stream kdddkkdkkkd
20:16 Makar: your choice
20:16 Makar: or anything else really
20:16 kazukisinx: i think i should call backfire
20:16 Makar: well
20:16 Makar: if you -really- like the 1/6
20:17 Makar: you can keep it; I just don't recommend it for a ranked map
20:17 kazukisinx: app*
20:17 Makar: app and rank
20:17 Makar: is the same thing now
20:17 Makar: th eonly difference is the length
20:17 Makar: just so ya know
20:17 Makar: I mod the same way for both
20:17 Makar: as advised
20:17 Makar: but yeah these are just suggestions
20:17 kazukisinx: ok
20:17 Makar: you can ignore if its too much trouble
20:18 kazukisinx: dont worry,im asking backfire if i can modify his parts on the collab,or if he is coming
20:19 Makar: 04:15:047 - this section is really overmapped to me
20:19 Makar: there needs to be 1/1 breaks here to fit this quiet part int he music
20:19 kazukisinx: i combined it
20:19 kazukisinx: the part you mean before
20:20 Makar: okay
20:20 Makar: for the slow section
20:20 Makar: I will give a bunch of suggestions to make it "lighter"
20:20 Makar: first...
20:20 Makar: 04:15:172 - delete
20:20 Makar: 04:15:672 - delete
20:21 Makar: 04:15:922 - delete
20:21 Makar: 04:16:172 - delete
20:21 Makar: 04:16:922 - delete
20:21 Makar: 04:17:172 - delete
20:21 Makar: 04:17:672 - delete
20:22 Makar: 04:17:922 - delete
20:22 Makar: 04:18:922 - delete
20:23 Makar: sound fine here?
20:23 kazukisinx: sounds well
20:23 Makar: 04:22:734 - delete
20:24 Makar: 04:22:859 - delete
20:24 kazukisinx: still worried because is a backfire's part but is ok
20:25 Makar: 04:54:047 - kkk?
20:25 kazukisinx:   im will not delete this
20:25 kazukisinx: 04:22:734 - 
20:25 kazukisinx: oh
20:25 kazukisinx: wait
20:26 Makar: o.o
20:26 kazukisinx:  deleted both,when you delete both sounds fine
20:26 Makar: okee
20:26 Makar: 05:02:797 (61,62,63,64) -  ddk? 1/4
20:26 kazukisinx: 04:54:047 - 
20:26 kazukisinx: in this part
20:26 kazukisinx: i deleted 1/6
20:26 Makar: okay
20:26 kazukisinx: and put a kkkkddd stream
20:27 Makar: okay 
20:28 Makar: 05:26:172 - 
20:28 kazukisinx: changed into ddk
20:28 Makar: I'd say remove the speedup 
20:28 Makar: because
20:28 Makar: it makes 05:27:047 - unseeable
20:28 Makar: which is kinda unrankable soo
20:29 Makar: would be nice if you changed
20:29 kazukisinx: i can see it properly o.o
20:29 kazukisinx: what about smoothing it?
20:29 kazukisinx: i told it to backfire
20:29 kazukisinx: that speedup is maybe unrankeable
20:29 Makar: it needs to be so that the note doesn't pass it
20:29 kazukisinx: but he decided to put it anyways
20:30 Makar: the finisher starts out before that note then passes it just before you have to play it
20:30 Makar: which can be confusing
20:30 Makar: especially with hidden mod lol
20:30 kazukisinx: i think if we maybe do the speedup a little less fast,it can be readable
20:30 Makar: that too
20:30 Makar: or if ou deleted 05:26:922 - 
20:30 Makar: it would solve the problem as well
20:33 kazukisinx:    doesnt sounds good :c
20:34 Makar: 05:34:797 (87,88,89,90) -  kkk
20:39 Makar: came to a solution with backfire
20:39 kazukisinx: :3?
20:39 Makar: delete the 1.30 and 1.35 timing points at 05:26:797 - 
20:39 Makar: and it will be okay
20:40 Makar: 05:42:047 - kkkkd or w/e you like
20:40 kazukisinx: oh well
20:40 Makar: 05:50:797 - kkk
20:41 Makar: okay now for the part that is most troubling to me
20:41 Makar: one minute
20:42 kazukisinx: did it all
20:42 Makar: 06:16:047 - 
20:42 Makar: th eproblem here is tha tyou can't here the music at all in this section because of how quiet it is
20:43 Makar: and so I would highly recommend you delete this whole section and just have a break
20:43 Makar: from there to 06:34:797 - 
20:43 kazukisinx:  that i was thinking,but no breaks on taiko
20:43 Makar: they are allowed
20:43 Makar: and perfectly fine
20:43 Makar: so don't worry about that part
20:44 kazukisinx: also,there are some sounds to map 
20:44 kazukisinx: if you see Ono's Taikosaki,he mapped it too
20:44 kazukisinx: same with Firce Force
20:44 Makar: yeah but this is what you need to realize:
20:44 Makar: this map is for rank/app
20:44 kazukisinx: yup
20:44 Makar: and is not some thing to map without worrying
20:45 Makar: and so there are more strict standards
20:45 kazukisinx: but its still a resting section
20:45 kazukisinx: definitively you think its properly a break?
20:45 kazukisinx: maybe a spinner or something..
20:46 Makar: a long spinner would not fit
20:46 Makar: I suggest just deleting the section, it seems to be the best solution
20:47 kazukisinx: completely sure?
20:47 Makar: very sure
20:48 kazukisinx: ok i will trust you
20:49 Makar: 06:46:609 (1) -  delete this spinner - it is completely silent here
20:49 Makar: sounds better to keep it that way with the map too
20:50 kazukisinx: what about shortening it since here 06:48:422 -  to the end?
20:50 kazukisinx: i mean,the end of that spinner
20:50 Makar: it still makes it so there are hitsounds where there is no music
20:50 Makar: so I still recommend you delete it
20:50 kazukisinx: ok
20:52 Makar: 06:16:047 - delete this timing point
20:53 Makar: 06:30:047- move thisone to 06:34:797 - 
20:53 Makar: 06:30:047 - move this one to 06:34:797 -   *
20:55 kazukisinx: ok
20:56 Makar: send update to RLC
20:56 Makar: remembe to save
20:56 kazukisinx: okok
20:58 kazukisinx: did it
20:59 Makar: ty

Changes made: SB removed from taiko, removed epilepsy warning, some pattern fixes on the taiko

For now I am leaving this popped icon due to the timing being wrong in the very silent section at 06:34:797 (I am getting other staff to check on this, however, so whether I can rank or rebubble depends on this) and the taiko needs more attention imo. For this, I have called some taiko people to help out so we can get this ranked soon.
RLC
Elite Mapper
1,006 posts
Joined August 2011
Topic Starter
RLC
thank you for your help :D
tetsutaro
3,863 posts
Joined February 2008
tetsutaro
Quick look as requested by Makar
Chatlog for reference
10:53 Makar: hey o.o
10:54 tetsutaro: Hi
10:54 Makar: uh I know you might be busy recently but
10:54 Makar: there is a map I want to rank but I want some other good modders opinions on it first
10:54 Makar: before I rank it
10:54 Makar: would you mind modding or at least looking over a map for me?
10:55 tetsutaro: I can't say I am a good modder just yet, but yeah I have about 1/4 hour (maybe more) to check out stuff
10:55 Makar: I think you are
10:55 Makar: so good enough for me
10:55 Makar: xD
10:55 Makar: also it is... a really hard map
10:55 Makar: are you able to mod those?
10:56 tetsutaro: This is my not-good part, but I'll try
10:56 Makar: ah, well something is better than nothing
10:56 *Makar is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/245124 t+pazolite - Distorted Lovesong [Taikocalypse DX]]
10:58 tetsutaro: Wait wouldn't 1O1T not able to be ranked?
10:59 Makar: its for approval
10:59 Makar: since its longer than 6 minutes
10:59 Makar: so it is allowed (special case)
11:00 tetsutaro: I'll do it here
11:01 tetsutaro: kkD and ddD's after the 1st speed up, not sure if BATs would approve
11:03 Makar: I am a BAT
11:03 Makar: lol
11:03 tetsutaro: After the first crazy-clustery-part there is one region that hitsounds are virtually cannot be heard
11:03 Makar: it is 1/2 so it's rankable, but we did discuss this already
11:04 Makar: and btw this is somebody elses map not mine
11:04 tetsutaro: OK then
11:04 Makar: so can you point out specifics and yoru opinion on the thread?
11:04 tetsutaro: OK I'll write that up
11:04 Makar: thanks :3

[Taiko]
Perceived difficulty rating: 10★ Oni (would give a 13 but the authentic limit is 10)
Sorry I am not very good at fixing patterns for difficulty levels like this, so have some style suggestions instead.
:idea: Very percussion based.
:idea: Could use more Go-go time. Like 03:59:047 ~ 04:15:047, and extending the 05:27:047 Go-go time to 05:59:047 or even 06:15:047
:idea: kkD and ddD's: The main problem is the scroll speed here still gives a feeling of 120BPM (anchoring effect from the previous 0.5x section?). But if BATs have no problem with this then it's fine by me too.
01:21:047 ~ 01:31:547 - To me there is a sudden decrease in density of bar lines with you using 7/4. I would suggest implementing alternating 4/4 and 3/4 stanzas (Making it like bar line --> 4 beats --> bar line --> 3 beats --> bar line --> 4 beats...).
Similar structures to deal with abnormal bar length has been seen in authentic maps such as Soul Calibur III New Legend and GERMINATION.
02:21:047 ~ 02:39:047 - Too soft. Consider 5~10% higher
Yuzeyun
7,622 posts
Joined September 2010
Yuzeyun
Will mod it soon, it's 3:38am here so I better avoid trying now ( ´ ▽ ` )ﾉ
Akhlis_old
Akhlis_old
Auuuu perfect o.o
Is this love?
Yuzeyun
7,622 posts
Joined September 2010
Yuzeyun
TEAM DRAGONFORCE MODDING FTW GO

[Taikozombieapocalypse IIDX 714 KAZUKIFIRE that woke up my parents because it's 4:04 in the morning]
Expecting an answer from each mapper's parts. I don't know whose part is which one so hputirlyaidnwtlyaaabyasfkarrk.

Beginning, how I felt while listening and playing (from 00:17:047 (1) - to 00:33:047 (1) - )

  1. This calm part was sure a bit overmapped at some parts, not something like ASDHFGASKFLASDFASF GET IT OFF, but some patterns felt a bit off the song (inb4 that's the point of the Oni diffs in Taiko no ZUNsujin)
  2. 00:18:047 (3) - That kat felt a bit out of place imo (you're mapping to an almost-nothing)
  3. 00:21:422 (14) - (and a lot of these 1/2 in that part) Are you sure about that? Feels out of place and on nothing at all, and you're putting that at the same intensity as the following part. The calmness of the song is really broken by the mapping ! D:
untz untz and tension? (from 00:33:047 (1) - to 01:05:047 (1) - )

  1. 01:02:047 (6,7,8,9) - Not really calling for big notes, man.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT I AM DOING (from 01:05:047 (1) - 01:21:047 (128) - )

  1. The intensity of the song isn't at is maximum, and the use of big notes is wtf even though it sticks to that kick-thing.
  2. 01:12:297 (43) - 01:20:922 (127) - the intensity of the song is a bit lower than you suggested, consider lowering density a bit ?
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 2 ... what IS THAT 7/4 ? (01:21:047 (128) - 01:35:047 (222) - )
  1. f off it's not bad
serious shit over here bro (01:35:172 (223) - 02:07:047 (7) - )
my thoughts

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz (02:07:047 (7) - 02:23:047 (101) - )
  1. volume a bit too low, imo. increase it by ~5% (using my own skin, effects at max volume)
  2. the song is so calm I got mad at the speed, decrease it to a 50% ?
  3. needs to be less dense, too, i think.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz part 2 (02:23:047 (101) - 02:39:047 (183) - )
  1. Needs a big volume increase at 02:38:547 (178) - , the song gets suddenly more intense !
  2. and in that part in general that would better to increase it by a small 10%
  3. same as the previous part for density and SV
unfriendly big notes part 1 (02:39:047 (183) - 02:55:047 (300) - )
  1. as in, these patterns : 02:50:922 (265,266,267) - and the worst is 02:52:922 (277,278,279,280,281,282,283,284,285) - FFFFF.
kiai (02:55:047 (297) - 03:11:047 (7) - )
  1. sfdjesz
2, 3, 7, 17 are my favourite divisors (03:11:047 (7) - 03:43:047 (353) - )
  1. 03:26:047 (163,164,165,166) - why do you use a 1/6 ? it's the only part where there is one...
  2. 03:28:797 (193,194,195,196,197) - kdddk/kkddk , the current is a bit flowbreaking
  3. 03:36:547 (283) - would suggest a k to fit more to the melody but i will get shouted at

this is a shit title for a part but it doesn't mean this part is shit (03:43:047 (353) - 03:58:047 (425) - )
  1. this also needs a SV cut this time put it to .75x
i skipped a part because there wasn't much to say (04:15:047 (1) - 04:23:047 (1) - )
  1. sv cut ? (.5 or .75)
I want pantsu (04:23:047 (1) - 04:39:047 (130) - )
  1. if you applied 0.50x to the previous part, 0.75x?
nasty big notes part 2 (05:11:047 (132) - 05:23:047 (41) - )
  1. title says all D:
katamari damacy (play the song of the game for more entertainment) (06:34:797 (1) - 06:46:484 (2) - )
  1. why so much dendens?
zalgo mapping? (end)
  1. zalgo-sounding part is that you kazuki
my impresisons
RLC
Elite Mapper
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Topic Starter
RLC
best mod post 2013
Makyu
424 posts
Joined April 2012
Makyu

RLC wrote:

best mod post 2013
XK2238
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Joined October 2011
XK2238

Makyu wrote:

RLC wrote:

best mod post 2013
Kokatsu
504 posts
Joined August 2011
Kokatsu
Hi, Makar summoned me.

Taikocalypse DX


Enourmous length combined with high density suggests HP-1, just to get it somewhat passable.
I really had problems reading it because of high BPM, it might be just me since I also can't really read anything + HR, but maybe use 1,3SV.

01:21:047 - this part seems really random to me, it feels very unintuitive because of the stop-and-go in both music and map, some suggestions to make it easier:
01:22:797 (134) - Big don, generally players tend to read pauses better if there's a big note just before.
01:24:297 (141,142) - This played weird because it doesn't follow your previous rhythm. Drag (141) 1/2 ealier and use a kat for (142) to match your previous pattern.
01:26:297 (155) - I think a big kat would fit nicely here.
01:27:672 (164,165,166,167,168) - dkdkd would represent the music better.

02:21:047 - this sudden drop in volume is irritating, if you want it so low, please reduce it step-by-step in the kdddkdddkdddk pattern before (Like -5% every note or something like that).
03:18:297 (80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90) - This is too hard, you already got high density and high BPM, no need to add finger-breaking streams.
04:07:047 - Why is here a break in Kiai?
04:59:047 (24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40) - As above, this is just murder. If you want to keep that many notes in the stream, use something much less complex.
05:19:047 - This part with bigs and triplets inbetween is really unpleasent to play. To keep the rising tension but also make it less painful to play, remove these three notes: 05:20:922 (20), 05:22:922 (40) and 05:24:922 (60).
05:26:172 - The gimmick-speedup is unnecessary, especially because it's already scrolling really fast.
05:33:047 (64,65,66,67,68,69,70,71,72,73,74) - As above.
05:44:047 (12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26) - ^
05:52:047 (12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26) - ^
06:51:422 (25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39) - ^
ktgster
Elite Mapper
481 posts
Joined November 2008
ktgster
[Love]

01:28:172 - i really feel like there should be a note here
01:35:047 (2) - NC here might be nice
02:07:422 (1) - this spinner dosen't go to any sound at all
02:47:797 (6) - no normal hitsound?
04:15:172 (1,1,1) - i really don't like how this triple spinner plays
05:07:547 (4) - NC
06:07:422 (3) - 06:07:422 (3) - whats with the normal whistles, is it intentional
06:51:047 (1) - slider end whistle dosen't sound very good
07:04:547 (3,4) - overall, 1/8 sliders sound the best here

This is really good, i hope you get this approved!
Distant years
465 posts
Joined April 2012
Distant years
I absolutely love this map.
Lach
1,118 posts
Joined November 2012
Lach
so i spent 30 minutes scratching my head trying to find stuff that felt weird, or sounded weird, or looked weird.

[Love]
04:49:047 (1,2,3) - spinners felt weird starting on red.
04:16:797 - End the first one here
04:17:047 - Start the second one here
04:18:797 - End second one here (or here 04:18:859 - ?)
04:19:047 - And of course start the third one here.

Nazi shit because I can't find anything else
04:32:547 (3,4,1) - nazi blanket
04:49:047 (1,2,3) - ^

idk
Backfire
3,204 posts
Joined February 2010
Backfire
No changes will be applied to the taiko.

You have missed the entire point of it supposed to be difficult. The parts you even mention are not hard. This is supposed to be "the hard of the hard". Look at the standard map. It is similar to this.

The break in kiai where it slows down is something you have to play to feel. You can not just comment on it from editor. It has its purpose.

Sorry if you're mad at me for not wanting to change anything. The only thing i'd consider is the shit like X xxx X xxx X since I agree it's difficult, but according to some, that is one of their favorite types of things to play. I'd like to leave it in if only for fitting so well.

The speed-up gimmick is something special to me. I used it in the old Distorted Lovesong I mapped a long time ago and it was the coolest part to me (of course way faster, like going up to 10k bpm), so it only makes sense to keep it.

Thank you for the mod, you do deserve kudosu, even though I won't change anything.
RLC
Elite Mapper
1,006 posts
Joined August 2011
Topic Starter
RLC

ktgster wrote:

[Love]

01:28:172 - i really feel like there should be a note here the beat stops suddenly, hence the gap
01:35:047 (2) - NC here might be nice i guess that helps tell that it's the start of a measure
02:07:422 (1) - this spinner dosen't go to any sound at all fade effect in music
02:47:797 (6) - no normal hitsound? good catch
04:15:172 (1,1,1) - i really don't like how this triple spinner plays sux 4 u hue hue hue hue i think i'll keep it >_>
05:07:547 (4) - NC eh, not necessary imo
06:07:422 (3) - 06:07:422 (3) - whats with the normal whistles, is it intentional yea
06:51:047 (1) - slider end whistle dosen't sound very good i want the slider body whistle... but i guess the end is a little too sharp? reduced volume of end
07:04:547 (3,4) - overall, 1/8 sliders sound the best here i want a slowing effect

This is really good, i hope you get this approved! i do too /runs

Lach wrote:

so i spent 30 minutes scratching my head trying to find stuff that felt weird, or sounded weird, or looked weird.

[Love]
04:49:047 (1,2,3) - spinners felt weird starting on red. failed copypaste huehue
04:16:797 - End the first one here
04:17:047 - Start the second one here
04:18:797 - End second one here (or here 04:18:859 - ?)
04:19:047 - And of course start the third one here.

sounds worse, but i guess it looks better? changed hitsounding of spinners appropriately... dunno

Nazi shit because I can't find anything else
04:32:547 (3,4,1) - nazi blanket fixed
04:49:047 (1,2,3) - ^ fixed a little... it's more important to me that 04:49:047 (1,3) - these ends are perfectly stacked

idk
thanks :3
Kokatsu
504 posts
Joined August 2011
Kokatsu

Backfire wrote:

No changes will be applied to the taiko.

You have missed the entire point of it supposed to be difficult. The parts you even mention are not hard. This is supposed to be "the hard of the hard". Look at the standard map. It is similar to this.

The break in kiai where it slows down is something you have to play to feel. You can not just comment on it from editor. It has its purpose.

Sorry if you're mad at me for not wanting to change anything. The only thing i'd consider is the shit like X xxx X xxx X since I agree it's difficult, but according to some, that is one of their favorite types of things to play. I'd like to leave it in if only for fitting so well.

The speed-up gimmick is something special to me. I used it in the old Distorted Lovesong I mapped a long time ago and it was the coolest part to me (of course way faster, like going up to 10k bpm), so it only makes sense to keep it.

Thank you for the mod, you do deserve kudosu, even though I won't change anything.
Why should I be mad? Was all just suggestions and if you have your reasons to keep stuff, keep it. I played the Diff and those streams pointed out were some I didn't manage to get or I barely got them, more luck than knowledge, I just prefer maps to still be somewhat enjoyable without my fingers hurting.
Yuzeyun
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Joined September 2010
Yuzeyun
Seriously koka. 1.3 SV. grow up a bit, HR is supposed to be a difficulty increase, not a reference for SV.
Kokatsu
504 posts
Joined August 2011
Kokatsu

_Gezo_ wrote:

Seriously koka. 1.3 SV. grow up a bit, HR is supposed to be a difficulty increase, not a reference for SV.
I didn't tink you got me right. I said that it was hard to read for me on the regular 1,4SV, because I suck at playing HR (probably), your statement has nothing to do with what I wanted to say.
Anyhow, Backfire already declined that, so why do you need to still comment on it? Should I go over your mods and yell at you for talking stupid stuff aswell?
Yuzeyun
7,622 posts
Joined September 2010
Yuzeyun
Don't play HR if you don't think you'll make it brah, if you can't make it, don't suggest SV changes (unless the BPM is very high, 260+ and bam you better not leave 1.4)
(also I lacked sleep when I said that, I was like szldkfha + sick = rage so well take distance sometimes orz)
-Kazu-
687 posts
Joined June 2011
-Kazu-

_Gezo_ wrote:

(also I lacked sleep when I said that, I was like szldkfha + sick = rage so well take distance sometimes orz)
Sorry for telling you to mod this at 4:00 am XD
Makar
osu! Alumni
2,258 posts
Joined February 2011
Makar
Did a recheck via IRC. Changed a timing point in the taiko (for readability), unstacked a few notes for flow, and a minor adjustment to density for the section at 05:11:047

IRC Log
21:18 *Makar is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/245124 t+pazolite - Distorted Lovesong [Taikocalypse DX]]
21:18 RLC: hi
21:18 Makar: 04:23:047 - move this timing point to 04:22:297 (seems like mistake)
21:19 Makar: 1/2 finishes on that slow down is too bunched up and weird derp
21:19 RLC: ok
21:23 Makar: yay done with taiko finally
21:23 Makar: time to look at standard
21:24 RLC: yay
21:36 Makar: 05:05:047 (1,2,3,4) -
21:36 Makar: these pauses
21:36 Makar: are really annoying
21:36 Makar: :c
21:36 Makar: kinda breaks the flow imo... maybe unstack the circles?
21:36 RLC: hm
21:37 RLC: 01:33:047 (1,2,3,4,5) - i did the same thing here
21:37 RLC: it seemed to play fine from what i could tell
21:37 RLC: i'll try unstacking
21:37 RLC: the ones you mentioned
21:37 RLC: and see how it plays
21:37 RLC: sec
21:38 Makar: the ones at 01:33:047 (1,2,3,4,5) -
21:38 Makar: it is a bit different because there is very little mouse movement in the first palce in this section
21:38 Makar: 01:31:547 (1,2,3,4) - these repeat sliders basically serve as a place for the player to rest their mouse
21:38 RLC: true
21:38 Makar: and 1:33 isn't much different
21:39 Makar: while at the one I pointed out there is constant mouse movment blahblah
21:40 RLC: alright; i unstacked 'em
21:41 Makar: 05:20:047 (1,2,3) - this triple just doesn't feel right to me (really unfitting in the music)
21:42 Makar: same with the one at 05:22:047 (1,2,3) -
21:42 Makar: I really like what you did before these though (using long sliders)
21:42 Makar: but if you want to avoid repeatativeness maybe at least make it 1/2 isntead of 1/4?
21:43 RLC: yeah, i wanted the density to increase there
21:43 RLC: but i suppose the triples starting on white ticks are kinda weird
21:43 RLC: ok i'll make it 1/2
21:45 Makar: kk update
21:45 RLC: sec
21:46 RLC: i'm trying to figure out how to change the placement so that it still flows
21:46 Makar: kk
21:49 RLC: kk updated
21:49 RLC: WAIT
21:49 RLC: NO
21:49 Makar: k
21:49 RLC: don't do anything yet
21:49 RLC: i just realized
21:50 RLC: that by changing the 1/4 to 1/2 i disturbed my very very important 777 circles / 777 sliders balance LOL
21:50 RLC: brb
21:50 Makar: loooooooooool
21:50 Makar: ok
21:52 Makar: it would be perfect if you had 7 spinners
21:52 Makar: but idk how that would work
21:52 Makar: :D
21:52 RLC: i did have 7 spinners at one point, but then i realized that there was a spinner i really should add
21:52 RLC: so i did
21:52 Makar: ah
21:53 RLC: ok, updated
21:54 Makar: in taiko
21:55 Makar: 04:07:047 - kiai flash isnt rankable so remove this point
21:55 RLC: should i just
21:55 RLC: change that point to kiai also
21:55 RLC: because there's a slowdown
21:55 RLC: there
21:55 Makar: oh right yeah
21:56 RLC: ok
21:56 RLC: should i update
21:56 Makar: yes
21:56 Makar: dats all

Okay let's try this again:
Bubbled #1
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thanks~
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gogogogogogogogogo <3
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noob RLC
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kazukisinx wrote:

_Gezo_ wrote:

(also I lacked sleep when I said that, I was like szldkfha + sick = rage so well take distance sometimes orz)
Sorry for telling you to mod this at 4:00 am XD
no actually the post towards koka was at 8am after lacking sleep in class, see the hell
the mod was done at my own discretion in vacation
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04:47:047 - The rhythm in this part is totally off.

04:47:380 (3) - This slider should start at 04:47:390 - 1/8.
04:47:630 (4) - This slider should start at 04:47:640 - and end at 04:47:734 - 1/8.
Why? Because the music consists here of three triples. Each of them is "white-yellow-blue" (as you did with first slider), the distance between them is 1/4.
Additionally, there is no sounds at the start of this slider: 04:48:630 (4) -
The guitar (or what that is) starts at completely different ticks. The things I can hear:
drums
guitar
Also 04:52:713 (3) - 04:53:047 (1,2) - these should be redone too.
possibly like that
First object on the screenshot is 04:52:422 -

Edit: started to checking more,
04:59:630 (4,5) - Delete these notes and add a note at 04:59:672 - . Your rhythm is again wrong here.
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all fixed
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Rebubbled!

Side note incase people complain:
AIMod says there is an image in the song folder that is not used, but in the storyboard script there is an animation line which starts at name_0000, which means it uses name_00000, name_00001, name_00002, etc. so this is a bug in AIMod
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was going to wait until this was at bubble #2 but lo and behold, something caught my eye. all the extra timing sections near the start are un-needed. all the timing sections you need are the following:

01:27:047 - 7/4 time signature
01:31:547 - this one is most likely 3/4 (heavy beat lands on 01:33:047)
01:33:047 - 4/4

i know the first one is definitely correct, but the other two are debatable. it'd be nice if someone could see if i'm correct or improve my timing if it is incorrect. have to pop this for now and will do a full mod later and then it'll get bubble #2 probably and everything will be fine. sorry ;(
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why can't everybody just agree on a timing already qq
wtb timing and music theory experts
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Jacob wrote:

01:27:047 - 7/4 time signature
yes, except it starts at 01:21:047 - (did you copy the wrong time?)

Jacob wrote:

01:31:547 - this one is most likely 3/4 (heavy beat lands on 01:33:047)
01:33:047 - 4/4
Put the 4/4 at 01:34:047 instead. 01:33:047 (1,2,3,4,5) is structured exactly the same as the previous section (which is set to 3/4) so there's no reason it should be changing there.

so basically:

01:21:047 - 7/4
01:31:547 - 3/4
01:34:047 - 4/4
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tetsutaro wrote:

01:21:047 ~ 01:31:547 - To me there is a sudden decrease in density of bar lines with you using 7/4. I would suggest implementing alternating 4/4 and 3/4 stanzas (Making it like bar line --> 4 beats --> bar line --> 3 beats --> bar line --> 4 beats...).
Similar structures to deal with abnormal bar length has been seen in authentic maps such as Soul Calibur III New Legend and GERMINATION.
This is the reason for the additional uninherited timing sections--at least in the taiko. I changed the standard diff too, for the sake of consistency.

Not sure how to proceed. Are different redlines allowed in taiko and standard? Or should I keep both as is... or change both back to the original 7/4 design (as in Jacob and Lyby's posts)?

halp plz ;; eye'm confuzd
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change both back to 7/4
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>_>

done.
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How many unbubbles.

How many unbubbles.
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[Taikocalypse DX]
06:34:843 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,3,4,1,2) - please delete this section. it's awkward to play and the timing for this section (or lack therof) is incorrect. each circle practically needs its own individual timing section to be spot on.

[Love]
02:48:047 (1,1,1) - in my opinion, this anti-jump is really difficulty to sightread and play properly due to the very fast ongoing pace of the map at that point in the song. a good solution would be to place a slider at 02:48:047 that repeats at 02:48:297. it would also be neat to place the reverse of the slider on the end of (1) in the next combo, like this ((7) is the repeat slider, you just can't see the repeat).
06:48:422 (1) - you should never ever map to a vocal part that isn't actually part of the main beat. this isn't timed correctly either (or does it even have a correct timing)? yeah, you should probably remove this.

this should be good for bubble #2 since the uninherited timing section changes didn't require the resnapping of any notes.
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Just delete the section, RLC. He's right about it. It's fine.

hahaha no.
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Jacob wrote:

[Taikocalypse DX]
06:34:843 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,3,4,1,2) - please delete this section. it's awkward to play and the timing for this section (or lack therof) is incorrect. each circle practically needs its own individual timing section to be spot on. this was discussed extensively with some other BATs--the timing is accurate down to 1/16 (thank you charles), and the low OD makes this relatively easy to get 300s on. Most testers have not had problems with this section at all. also, removing it just makes that break REALLY long and boring--in the standard diff, there's at least an SB to keep the player/viewer's interest, but the taiko would just have a long minute of nothingness ;;

[Love]
02:48:047 (1,1,1) - in my opinion, this anti-jump is really difficulty to sightread and play properly due to the very fast ongoing pace of the map at that point in the song. a good solution would be to place a slider at 02:48:047 that repeats at 02:48:297. it would also be neat to place the reverse of the slider on the end of (1) in the next combo, like this ((7) is the repeat slider, you just can't see the repeat). the problem with sliders is that they give more "connected" flow and I wanted disconnected flow there. The weird 1/4 effect in the background fades away at 02:48:047 - and suddenly comes back at 02:48:547 - , so I wanted to emphasize that. Anyway, I spread out the notes across the screen. (surprisingly enough, no one i watched test the map misread the antijumps--even on first play--but I suppose they are a bit too risky.)
06:48:422 (1) - you should never ever map to a vocal part that isn't actually part of the main beat. this isn't timed correctly either (or does it even have a correct timing)? yeah, you should probably remove this. yeah this is pretty weird--removed.

this should be good for bubble #2 since the uninherited timing section changes didn't require the resnapping of any notes.
thank you!
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Makar wrote:

music theory experts
Hello.

RLC wrote:

This is the reason for the additional uninherited timing sections--at least in the taiko. I changed the standard diff too, for the sake of consistency.
This is a fair way to aid Taiko gameplay since 7/4 measures are really long. In theory, 7/4 measures are simply made up of a combination of 2/4, 3/4, and 4/4 groupings, and this song happens to use a 4/4 to 3/4 as a 7/4 measure. Both would be considered fine if you consider Taiko playability, and this is one of the cases where I would allow a red line inconsistency across all diffs.

Lybydose wrote:

01:33:047 (1,2,3,4,5) is structured exactly the same as the previous section [...]
01:33:047 - 4/4 should go here instead of 01:34:047 - . For the reason Lybydose provided above, what that's trying to accomplish is making the time signature fit the map, when it should be the other way around. It is very clear that 01:33:047 - is a single 4/4 measure and not a 3/4 measure with an extra beat.

Would also include a 4/4 at 01:35:047 - for the sake of restarting stanza count. Good practice, even though you can only dream of playing this at 1.5x rate.
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fixed 4/4 switch as stated by those

didn't change taiko back to 4/4 and 3/4 combination though, since the inconsistency between diffs seems to be too controversial, w/e.

didn't add extra 4/4 line because as far as I can tell, that wouldn't really do anything, osu!-wise? correct me if i'm wrong.
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