The mods do what they want, they don't observe the priorities of the beatmaps, they observe the person who created the beatmap and STOP,they ignore mappers unknown...

EDIT: not all do this, but the majority

Accroding to my modding experience, Yes. Most of BAT/Modders like to mod exceptional quality maps. (So am I but I mod newbie's map when they requested :p)
Modding newbie's map is little annoying.
Human is SELFISH ANIMAL so we tend to mod exceptional quality maps because it's easier/more comfortable to mod.
This problem should be fixed but it's really hard.
We need some countermeasures.

Ex.
1. If we modded newbie's map, we would get 1.5 Kudosu.
2. BATs should reject any kind of mod requests if they don't want to mod it.
I didn't send any mod request PMs to BATs.
Peoples, be patient! BATs will mod your map someday.
(This word proves why I have only 1 ranked beatmap But it's okay. I'm yielding. )
If players(Especially great beatmappers) send a mod requests, exceptional quality maps will be ranked more and more.

Well, this opinion has no posibility
But at least,
Requesting PMs must be restricted.

Giving stars just because you can/are friends is abuse and may be banned if we see it happening. That's all I have to say without reading 10 pages of textwall.

peppy wrote:

Giving stars just because you can/are friends is abuse and may be banned if we see it happening. That's all I have to say without reading 10 pages of textwall.

Then what can we do?
We usually ask in our channel for modding and then we ask BATs.
When something like that happened i scolded them because i didn't want to see something like that too.
If you say that, we can't even ask for help...


I think it's something they said because of the anger of the situation.
I bet you know well when maps are starred just to give stars and starred when modded well.

I hope i didn't misunderstand you.

I hate the arrogance that some BATs have with some users.
I hate that some BATs tell "get more priority stars" and after we see a situation like this.
I hate that new mappers (as I am, as some my friends are and as a lot of ppl here in osu are) cannot have the same "priority/chance" of the great mappers.
I hate all this things and I REALLY hope that, all together, we could do something and reach a meeting-point for avoid this things happens again in the future. I know we can, guys ^^

woah woah rage mode on. I got most of this out in the MSI's thread, but let's do some of it here too.

Pasonia wrote:

*shakes head* Rolled should know better than to do this. However, I'm not about to apologise on anyone's behalf x.x

Shaking your head is more or less apologizing. I don't mean to be egotistical but I made no mistake ranking that map. If I do make a mistake I will own up to it. I've explained myself numerous times on why I modded Seibei's map, though none of you deserve an explanation. Ask some people in the #mod channel. I MOD FOR MOD. This means, if you mod my map I will mod yours. I don't care how new you are, how terrible you are at modding, how much of a dick you are. If you take the time to mod my map I will take the time to mod yours. Me modding theirs may weigh heavier than them modding mine, since I may bubble/rank/nuke maps. However, first of all, Seibei is a BAT too. Therefor the outweighing isn't even a point of argument here. If any of you think I was showing favoritism towards Seibei's map, please get in line to kiss my ass. Priority system or not, I have been modding the same way for 2 years (I don't MOD, or NOT MOD a map for any specific reason) and it is just now going to become a problem? no thx.

Osuplayer3123208 wrote:

BATs do only what they want... This is ridicoulous... -.-

See above wall of text. However, you may be right. Maybe I do do what I want. However, "what I want" varies between priority modding, taking mod requests, and mod4mod. I apologize if you haven't asked me to mod your map in a respectful, civilized way, though that is not my problem.

xxheroxx wrote:

The mods do what they want, they don't observe the priorities of the beatmaps, they observe the person who created the beatmap and STOP,they ignore mappers unknown...

EDIT: not all do this, but the majority

I'm going to assume this was aimed towards me regarding Seibei's map, since your reply was shortly after Cn'F's. As I've replied to pasonia and osuplayer, the same applies. I won't have you feeling left out though, so I will say that just because Seibei mapped the song, does not mean that's why I modded the song. He modded my map, therefor I modded his. Yes, we both bubbled each other's maps. Big deal? We both deserved a bubble, so we both got a bubble. It has nothing to do with our positions in the community, and it shouldn't have anything to do with the priority (if I map DESERVES a bubble, it should get a bubble.) There seems to be a general misunderstanding here that a map requires a certain amount of priority to be ranked. This is nottttttt the case at all. Priority is it simply get it there faster, and show your support for the map. I supported seibei's map so I bubbled it, as did m980, so he ranked. We just got there before anybody managed to give it priority. Woops.

cnf wrote:

Ok, i don't want to start flame, but i want to report this.
This map was ranked in ONE day. With One user star and two bat stars.
But there's something i want to point out.
There are spacing errors (and don't answer me something like "it's creative" because that's not the case); and there's M980 that one day told me "I mod only maps with purple stars". But i don't see any purple stars there.

I didn't want to complain because i know bats are busy and such, but when i seee something like that i really get angry too.

I had no idea it was only a day old. I agreed I would mod it. Was I supposed to be like "woops, you just submitted this. Call me in a week."
Numerous, numerous, numerous times users have complained when we ask them to change spacing. It's been realized by the community and specifically BATs that users have their own style when creating beatmaps. We encourage mappers to showcase their creativity while beatmapping, and Seibei showcased his well. He does not fall into this whole "correct spacing" idea. Correct spacing is spacing that is hittable, readable, and predictable in my opinion. And I can honestly say that that map contained it all.

flsadjflsdjf890sdhfsd9 dfysdfdh fksd hfkhsdk hkfhas

K, all done. Carry on.

EDIT: woops, missed one.

kyocciola wrote:

I hate the arrogance that some BATs have with some users.
I hate that some BATs tell "get more priority stars" and after we see a situation like this.
I hate that new mappers (as I am, as some my friends are and as a lot of ppl here in osu are) cannot have the same "priority/chance" of the great mappers.
I hate all this things and I REALLY hope that, all togheter, we could do something and reach a meeting-point for avoid this things happens again in the future. I know we can, guys ^^

Hi, welcome to the forums.
BATs do not show arrogance for no reason. It's a cause and effect type situation. Here, check this out.

CAUSE:

Kyocciola wrote:

Message subject: Mod Requests
From: Kyocciola
Sent at: Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:10 pm
To: RemmyX25 awp Mogsworth Rolled mtmcl vytalibus Cyclone foulcoon Hara Pasonia
Message:
Hatsune Miku - Vegetable Juice (Po Pi Po)

Guru Guru - Il cerchio della magia

EFFECT:
Foulcoon rage.

foulcoon wrote:

I wasn't irritated by the fact that I got these PMs, I was irritated when I saw who the PM was sent to (and how many it was sent to).

So, you showed no intent to politely ask a BAT, or any other member to my knowledge, to mod your map. It's just a little automated form you threw to everybody you know could rank it. I haven't even been introduced to you btw, at the point of that PM. So nice to meet you too.

We are not bad people. Show us respect, we show you respect. Unluckily for you, the opposite applies too.

Ok, i'm sorry for say this, you've right. But im angry, maybe it's me but BATs sometimes tell me liar. Close this discussion now, peace ^^ Anyway don't joke with my nickname please, you aren't funny.

Rolled, the problem for me is not which maps you choose to mod, at this point (since you've explained your reasons). It just kind of "hurts" to see m980 ranking a map with just one star, when he refuses to see ours if they haven't got at least one "purple" star. That's why we think of favoritism.

Okay, I can't speak with m980 but he's likely sleeping or something right now, but I'm sure he'll be able to fill you in on his reasoning when he gets back. Also osuplayer111, i wasn't joking, I just didn't feel like looking up what numbers were after your name. Also don't lie, I'm very funny.

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Rolled wrote:

Okay, I can't speak with m980 but he's likely sleeping or something right now, but I'm sure he'll be able to fill you in on his reasoning when he gets back. Also osuplayer111, i wasn't joking, I just didn't feel like looking up what numbers were after your name. Also don't lie, I'm very funny.

Lol about osuplayer's name.
Btw, Rolled, seriously. You're taking this as a personal attack, but it isn't. We're not accusing you of anything except being a bit too hasty with the bubbling, but IT'S FINE.
The real problem is: normal users have to wait a lot to get a bubble. We have to gain a lot of priority, and it requires a lot of time and people, then we have to wait for a bat who doesn't see anything wrong with our map, then if he bubbles it, we have to hope that another bat likes it and ranks it. If he doesn't, the bubble is revoked, and we have to wait more. This could take days, weeks, or even months (Card's Ai no Melody for example?). Seibei's map was bubbled and ranked in one day, and the fact that he is a bat makes this situation even less comfortable for all of us.
Again, please don't take this personally. All of you.

I think this is going out of hand.
I think you're misunderstanding each other.
Rolled, you think everyone is accusing you for favoritism, but it's not like that.
Italians are angry because lately BATs kept ignoring them (sometimes with bad attitude) or tell lies (like m980 and his purple stars thing).
That's what they are trying to tell you.

If you ( a generic "you") are busy, just tell us you have something else to mod and tell us to remind you another day.
We can wait, but we don't like to wait and see maps ranked after one day when other maps are in pending for weeks or months.

im just wondering, are you guys suggesting that an italian gets to become a BAT? (just a question)

Well, nice to meet you too, Rolly. Im your fan, i love your maps.
BUT. I have to say that:

Rolled wrote:

Yes, we both bubbled each other's maps. Big deal? We both deserved a bubble, so we both got a bubble.

U know how much we have (normal utents i mean) to sweat to have a bubble? Tho our maps are near perfection. Im not attacking you, keep in mind. Im just trying to let understand you that is a little unfair that ppl hear the BATs saying: "get more priority stars and ill mod it" and MAYBE get a stars from them...

Rolled wrote:

BATs do not show arrogance for no reason. It's a cause and effect type situation.

Click here.
Ps: consider the meVSfoulcoon argument closed. We exchange apologies to each other, before. I dont want to talk about that anymore.

Gabi wrote:

im just wondering, are you guys suggesting that an italian gets to become a BAT? (just a question)

We're not asking for it directly (I mean, it is not the point of this thread and everything else that happened in these days), but having one would be useful for us and the whole community, and I think peppy knows it (if I'm not mistaken he mentioned the possibility on IRC)

In all honesty, it was a personal attack. This last page of posts have been about the Kill The Rock incident, which was m980, seibei, and my doing. If it's not a personal attack against me, than it's a personal attack against one of the other people who aren't here atm. If they were here though, I'm sure they'd have a few things to say in their defense.

On the same note, this isn't a personal attack against Italians either. Luxary was unlucky enough to get seibei's bad side, but I'm sure if that was any other person in the community Seibei would have been equally grumpy.

I don't have anything against an Italian becoming a BAT, but you must understand that getting an italian bat solely to mod italian maps is exactly the problem you guys want to prevent. If a person is qualified to become a BAT, it will get brought up to Ivalset. I'm not sure if its a requirement, but it's pretty important that they speak fluently in english as well. And a italian BAT to mod only italian maps is simply out of the question.

edit: Also, kyocciola, it is not that hard for a map to get attention as you are making it out to be. There is at least one BAT every day that is open to requests. Their queue may fill up fast (as there is a lot of people in the same boat as you,) but keep in mind it's one BAT a day minimum. There are many, many people that take requests in #mod, and in #osu as well. Generally, people don't always reply happily to mod request PMs because if they were modding at the time, it would be open about it. I recommend nobody PM via forums, as 99% of the time the mod request will get ignored. PMing via IRC is similar, though with a bit of a higher success rate. If I were a user trying to get my mod ranked, I'd head over to #mod and ask anybody if they'd like a mod exchange. Even if they aren't BATs, you'll find an exchange quickly and at the minimum, you will get some +priority on your map which in turn will get your map noticed quicker from BATs.

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i dont wanna discuss this on forums, but i did tell you about the BAT situation in irc.... treating it like racism almost

I just have to ask: why do you need your maps ranked so badly? I mean, what do you get out of your map being ranked extremely fast? What do you lose when it's a slow process? The same amount of time is invested.

I agree with some of the things coming from this thread, and this is my main stand in combat. Also, I totally agree with Mark.

However, I totally disagree with a lot of other things coming from this thread. How will demoting BAT positions help to solve anything? Hey, I have a suggestion! Why don't we just make rank to those beatmaps instantly upon submission? That will eliminate all upholding persecution and inditement against BATs and mappers! Problem solved. Also, I think I remember reading something in thread, but I couldn't find it so I could quote, so I'll paraphrase instead: I thought BATs were only here for the final say about if a map is ready for ranks, nothing else more.

Most of BAT/Modders like to mod exceptional quality maps.

Why? Wouldn't you? Personally, I like to play beatmaps and songs that I like.

Also, I was going to talk about the complaining about maps "not getting looked at enough", but maybe later I'll say something.

EDIT: Also, I totally support Two's opinion.

Gabi wrote:

Harry, what stops the "italian community" from helping each other now? language wise etc. take for example cnf (just an example no offense cnf) if he becomes a BAT, he would still know as much as he knows now and could help modding.

We're already helping each other now. Just look at some italian mappers' maps, and you'll notice they're full of posts from other italians (HELPFUL posts, not just stars or something like that).
If CNF, for example, became a BAT (I think he actually would like to, but he can't atm), he would finally be able to turn his modding efforts into something more valuable. We all know that the more BATs there are, the faster the ranking process goes. And we all know that a bubble is better than a star. Plus, all the italians really need to get more active in the international osu community... And an italian BAT is probably the only way to achieve this. It was kind of sad seeing peppy and the others wondering about who we are and what kind of maps we make, today in the chat.

HarryOrunitia wrote:

It was kind of sad seeing peppy and the others wondering about who we are and what kind of maps we make, today in the chat.

Peppy has played like 16 maps total lol

Rolled wrote:

HarryOrunitia wrote:

It was kind of sad seeing peppy and the others wondering about who we are and what kind of maps we make, today in the chat.

Peppy has played like 16 maps total lol

LOL XDDDDD
Ok, ok, let's say just "the others" then D:



...you included :P

Pasonia wrote:

(including Mark, who has once again and not surprisingly taken the side of the aggrieved)

Hey now! I think you got me wrong. My post went well beyond taking sides. I admitted that sending a forum PM to multiple BATs at the same time is probably not good. I also disagree that the MAJORITY of BATs are discriminating against anyone.

If you guys decide that I am supposed to be pulverised for my opinion, then I suggest you use that anger, convert it into motivation, and show me you're willing to go beyond rankable. I've already given you names in my first reply here, use those people's maps as an indicator if you would care.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this seems to read as "You disagree with me, so do what I told you to do."

peppy wrote:

Giving stars just because you can/are friends is abuse and may be banned if we see it happening. That's all I have to say without reading 10 pages of textwall.

I noticed talk of this too. It upsets me that anyone would think of that as a solution to a problem. I hope anyone involved has thrown away this idea entirely.

Anyway, I think Rolled has justified himself 150%. Questioning Rolled in the first place was a little ridiculous since he set no guidelines about what he mods. m980, however, might need to say something considering he has turned down plenty of mod requests due to his very public modding guidelines.

But one thing still upsets me the most. We have this attitude that BATs are allowed to be rude given certain circumstances. I don't think being rude and disrespectful has a place... AT ALL. Can you think of a situation in which being rude and disrespectful helps in any way? No one is even trying to justify it. So why do it?

HarryOrunitia wrote:

We're not saying that Seibei was rude with Luxary and Luxary only. We know he would've been equally grumpy with anyone else, and that's the problem. Bats shouldn't be rude, they are the only authorities the mappers can refer to.

Oh come on. It was probably, like, 4 or 5 am. "Go away" is an excuse to get uppity on me now? I wasn't being serious. I even gave an explanation as to why I wasn't going to mod anything else that night. That was probably the last bit of modding I was gonna do before going to bed.

And as for m980, I tried getting him to mod it when it was unbubbled, then he was like, "Read my sig" which said purple stars 'n such. So I was like, "Aw, come on, man, mod!" and heee was like "No no no" so IIII was like "Fine." So then I went and asked Rolled on MSN and he said "Mod my Taylor Swift map" so after I reacted to Taylor Swift's name, I was like, "Ok, fine." He seemed surprised that I agreed to mod such a terrible song, but ok. So then Rolled bubbled it and m980 was still there, so I was like, "Dude, it's bubbled. Rank!" But he was still like "No." So I said "Duuude, it's bubbled, why would I give a purple star to a bubbled map?! It's on the first page, see?!" But he still said no, so I started asking Larto, but then m980 /np'd and he was editing Kill the Rock, so I was like "Yay!" Why didn't I give my map a purple star? Oh hey, look, a penny! I'll just give a purple star to my map next time someone requires it like that...

And how come there wasn't any heated discussion about Must Be Dreaming? That has, like, the same sized jumps and everything. Was it because it wasn't ranked in a day? Kill the Rock was ranked in a day because I uploaded it when it was 100% finished.

Seibei4211 wrote:

HarryOrunitia wrote:

We're not saying that Seibei was rude with Luxary and Luxary only. We know he would've been equally grumpy with anyone else, and that's the problem. Bats shouldn't be rude, they are the only authorities the mappers can refer to.

Oh come on. It was probably, like, 4 or 5 am. "Go away" is an excuse to get uppity on me now? I wasn't being serious. I even gave an explanation as to why I wasn't going to mod anything else that night. That was probably the last bit of modding I was gonna do before going to bed.

And as for m980, I tried getting him to mod it when it was unbubbled, then he was like, "Read my sig" which said purple stars 'n such. So I was like, "Aw, come on, man, mod!" and heee was like "No no no" so IIII was like "Fine." So then I went and asked Rolled on MSN and he said "Mod my Taylor Swift map" so after I reacted to Taylor Swift's name, I was like, "Ok, fine." He seemed surprised that I agreed to mod such a terrible song, but ok. So then Rolled bubbled it and m980 was still there, so I was like, "Dude, it's bubbled. Rank!" But he was still like "No." So I said "Duuude, it's bubbled, why would I give a purple star to a bubbled map?! It's on the first page, see?!" But he still said no, so I started asking Larto, but then m980 /np'd and he was editing Kill the Rock, so I was like "Yay!" Why didn't I give my map a purple star? Oh hey, look, a penny! I'll just give a purple star to my map next time someone requires it like that...

And how come there wasn't any heated discussion about Must Be Dreaming? That has, like, the same sized jumps and everything. Was it because it wasn't ranked in a day? Kill the Rock was ranked in a day because I uploaded it when it was 100% finished.

I think this is pretty reasonable justification.

Seibei4211 wrote:

Kill the Rock was ranked in a day because I uploaded it when it was 100% finished.

Well? I upload for the 99% of time maps that are 100% finished o_o" But I have to wait a lot. What's different between you and me? :/ I think that that difference has no reason for subsist, dont you think? (Don't take this as an attack, cause it isn't )

Seibei4211 wrote:

HarryOrunitia wrote:

We're not saying that Seibei was rude with Luxary and Luxary only. We know he would've been equally grumpy with anyone else, and that's the problem. Bats shouldn't be rude, they are the only authorities the mappers can refer to.

Oh come on. It was probably, like, 4 or 5 am. "Go away" is an excuse to get uppity on me now? I wasn't being serious. I even gave an explanation as to why I wasn't going to mod anything else that night. That was probably the last bit of modding I was gonna do before going to bed.

Ok maybe next time you should think about your answers, whatever the time is? It's not like I really care, but look at what happened because of this.
It's just a suggestion, though.

And as for m980, I tried getting him to mod it when it was unbubbled, then he was like, "Read my sig" which said purple stars 'n such. So I was like, "Aw, come on, man, mod!" and heee was like "No no no" so IIII was like "Fine." So then I went and asked Rolled on MSN and he said "Mod my Taylor Swift map" so after I reacted to Taylor Swift's name, I was like, "Ok, fine." He seemed surprised that I agreed to mod such a terrible song, but ok. So then Rolled bubbled it and m980 was still there, so I was like, "Dude, it's bubbled. Rank!" But he was still like "No." So I said "Duuude, it's bubbled, why would I give a purple star to a bubbled map?! It's on the first page, see?!" But he still said no, so I started asking Larto, but then m980 /np'd and he was editing Kill the Rock, so I was like "Yay!" Why didn't I give my map a purple star? Oh hey, look, a penny! I'll just give a purple star to my map next time someone requires it like that...

This part of your post is quite funny XD
Btw, it kinda justifies both you and m980, but it raises another problem. Why does m980 mod only purple-starred maps? Not any user can be good at modding, so how should they get kudosus? Bah.

And how come there wasn't any heated discussion about Must Be Dreaming? That has, like, the same sized jumps and everything. Was it because it wasn't ranked in a day? Kill the Rock was ranked in a day because I uploaded it when it was 100% finished.

I don't know, it's not me who noticed the spacing issues in Kill the Rock, so I can't tell you why it didn't happen for Must Be Dreaming too. I have to say though, that Must Be Dreaming is one of my favourite maps (I've played it a lot recently) and I had noticed the weird spacing before.

Why does m980 mod only purple-starred maps? Not any user can be good at modding, so how should they get kudosus? Bah.

Any encouragement at all could be considered helpful and kudosu-worthy. For example, if they say "this part was really fun, but I had some problems at the part at x time. Also, the hitsounds could use some work."

That is a helpful statement. If the person is knowledgeable to create a beatmap they think is worthy of ranking, they're knowledgeable enough to give some encouraging words to other people. Anybody saying they can't mod therefor don't have kudosu is lazy. Bottom line.

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Kyocciola wrote:

Seibei4211 wrote:

Kill the Rock was ranked in a day because I uploaded it when it was 100% finished.

Well? I upload for the 99% of time maps that are 100% finished o_o" But I have to wait a lot. What's different between you and me? :/ I think that that difference has no reason for subsist, dont you think? (Don't take this as an attack, cause it isn't )

Because, for the most part, the map was error-free when I submitted it. So if the map has nothing wrong with it, why should it just sit there and collect stars for no reason? Now I read a lot about people being mad that BATs will tell people to get more stars before they'll mod it, but I've never done that. Like, I'll tell people that if they want a better chance at it getting modded, they should get some stars, but that's never been the reason I've turned down a mod request.

Edit: Oh, and I modded to get modded. Fair trade, I'd say. m980 has nothing that needs modding right now though, so...

HarryOrunitia wrote:

I don't know, it's not me who noticed the spacing issues in Kill the Rock, so I can't tell you why it didn't happen for Must Be Dreaming too. I have to say though, that Must Be Dreaming is one of my favourite maps (I've played it a lot recently) and I had noticed the weird spacing before.

Now see, that's what I do in my maps. You didn't notice the weird spacing because I put jumps in accordance with the song or during particularly awesome parts like "I KILL THE ROCK" and stuff. So most people don't even notice the weird spacing.

And yeah, I don't know why m980 did the purple star only thing. *shrug*

Edit: Oh, and where did I read about BATs not modding Italian maps? I think xxheroxx mentioned something about that which is REALLY funny because I've modded at least 3 of his maps? And I've modded even more of CNF's maps, probably. I have even asked CNF on a few occasions if he had any maps that I could mod! Gaaaah...

vytalibus wrote:

Rolled wrote:

Why does m980 mod only purple-starred maps? Not any user can be good at modding, so how should they get kudosus? Bah.

Any encouragement at all could be considered helpful and kudosu-worthy. For example, if they say "this part was really fun, but I had some problems at the part at x time. Also, the hitsounds could use some work."

That is a helpful statement. If the person is knowledgeable to create a beatmap they think is worthy of ranking, they're knowledgeable enough to give some encouraging words to other people. Anybody saying they can't mod therefor don't have kudosu is lazy. Bottom line.

Gotta agree with this. You don't have to do some bulleted lists like some modders do (myself included). A mod is a constructive comment that will generally lead to improving the map. They can be error finds or suggestions (and both contribute to the rankability and the creativeness of a map).

Now I don't know about m980 modding only purple-starred maps.

I hope you don't see wrong in this but I also will kudosu the first modder even if he says "I didn't see anything wrong" because he still took the time to mod the map. Also I don't see why Al-Azif skipped kudosu on my page 2 boten anna post.

HarryOrunitia wrote:

but it raises another problem. Why does m980 mod only purple-starred maps? Not any user can be good at modding, so how should they get kudosus? Bah.

How the fuck is this a problem? It's not a problem, it's a rule I go by and you're just being a wuss. The point of the kudosu system is to encourage modding. If you don't people who are lazy just go around asking people to mod-their-map/give-them-priority, that ruins the point of the system. How does that encourage modding?

I don't mind requests, but through my months of BATship, I've developed a hate towards mappers who don't do anything except go around asking BATs to mod their map (i.e. Kamyk, Old Metroid). Ok yeah maybe I used to be one of these people but that's changed, I've realised how annoying it was, and I've stopped.

My purple/kudosu star rule is to encourage mappers to mod as well. There are a few exceptions to this rule if they do alot of modding already. (And maybe mod4mod since that's modding for modding as well)

Kudosu can be given for helpful advice or encouragement, not necessarily "good" modding (Yeah basically what Rolled said)

AND for the record, my signature used to say I only take MOD REQUESTS if they have purple stars. So fuck you guys.

Edit:

Card N'FoRcE wrote:

Italians are angry because lately BATs kept ignoring them (sometimes with bad attitude) or tell lies (like m980 and his purple stars thing).
That's what they are trying to tell you.

That's not lying..
If I were lying, I wouldn't mod your map even if you DID have purple stars. Do I do that? Only sometimes when I'm busy.
I'm pretty sure I said there were exceptions, but you seemed to have ignored that..

I'm sick of this discussion. Seriously, it just seems like you guys are deliberately trying to find ways to flame BATs.

I was surprised by all the the posts in such small time, I've read every post from begin to end, I see people telling there are problems, but what i don't get.. WHAT is the actual problem here? this shouldn't be so hard to solve.
I don't like it either if BATs say you need priority, while 7 star maps get ranked in one day, but I have nothing to say about that, I'm "just a player", like most of us. If the map is really good, ok fine...

This is weird for me, on one hand i understand everything, but on the other hand all is confusing..
I wish there was something I could talk about to make things clear, but if all "problems" are spread over the thread several times, it's hard to keep up what's actually happening.

And I want to know one thing, whoever knows the answer.. I don't care..
Would this have happened if Kyocciola didn't PM (almost) all BATs??
Because in my opinion, this happening is just one load of crap, sorry that I say it...

If this is confusing or if I doubled things, stick with it, I'm too tired and exhausted too actually go in on this..
But I just can't stand this shit, it's all stupid, so I have too say what I think.

There, that was me.. just ignore me and go further with all this bullshit and i won't give a damn anymore, or DO SOMETHING WITH THIS FAST. Thank you bye~..

P.S.: I still want to know an answer on the question I asked, maybe it'll help solving some of the things.

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m980 wrote:

HarryOrunitia wrote:

but it raises another problem. Why does m980 mod only purple-starred maps? Not any user can be good at modding, so how should they get kudosus? Bah.

How the fuck is this a problem? It's not a problem, it's a rule I go by and you're just being a wuss. The point of the kudosu system is to encourage modding. If you don't people who are lazy just go around asking people to mod-their-map/give-them-priority, that ruins the point of the system. How does that encourage modding?

I actually mod when I can, and I like to. I have 8 kudosus atm, and I only used 3 of these for my first map. The point is: why do I have to use purple stars when I don't want to? Can't I save my kudosus for another map?

lukewarmholiday wrote:

I hope you don't see wrong in this but I also will kudosu the first modder even if he says "I didn't see anything wrong" because he still took the time to mod the map. Also I don't see why Al-Azif skipped kudosu on my page 2 boten anna post.

Another flaw in m980's rules. I wish every mapper was like you, but I've modded a lot of maps I didn't find any mistakes in, and I didn't get any kudosu. And after a while, modding starts to seem like a waste of time.
Maybe we need a kudosu faq about what posts kudosu should be given to.

Aoitenshi wrote:

I think all BAT should map ALL pending beatmap without exception(example : Purple Starred beatmap, Friend) even though it is your enemies' map...

Agreed. And that's what we were trying to say from the start.

By the way, since all the BATs stated their points clearly now, don't take this post as another attack. I was just stating my point as well.
I think we've reached the end of a misunderstanding, and it's good that all this people finally gave us an opinion about the whole thing. We still have to find a real solution, but I'm already happier

You've all missed the point entirely.

HAY GUYS I ONLY MOD MAPS WHEN I KNOW AND LOVE THE SONGS.

MAYBE YOU SHOULD REMOVE MY ADMIN/MOD/BAT RIGHTS.

or translated for the stupid; modding *something* is better than *nothing*. As m980 has said: if a BAT only has limited time, focusing on starred/high priority maps is a VERY GOOD way to mod, as there is already a lot of interest in seeing the map ranked.

Don't place all the weight on BATs to get your maps ranked. The kudosu system is in place to try and give people the idea that ANYONE CAN MOD.

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wow this thread is long and after reading the first page I was like "oh five pages that's a lot"

I'm just gonna leave a few cents in here

1 - Try to build a friendly relationship with people instead of a hostile one. I don't know about anyone else, but I am more prone to mod something by someone if it's someone I know and respect.

2 - The BATs are a team. We're supposed to pick up one another's slack where due. So, for the rest of the community, avoid picking out individuals to criticize (eg: foulcoon has been a lazy BAT lately) - that's our job; we'll handle that internally. View BATs as a whole entity, and not a sum of its parts.

awp wrote:

(eg: foulcoon has been a lazy BAT lately) - that's our job; we'll handle that internally. View BATs as a whole entity, and not a sum of its parts.

Best example to date. I guess stuff happens when video cards blow up and then you have exams. I'll be more active starting after next week

I don't think this topic is necessary anymore. What needed to be said has been said. I'd lock this over-dramatic thread ASAP if I could.

BATs are humans. Not robots.

m980 wrote:

How the fuck is this a problem? It's not a problem, it's a rule I go by and you're just being a wuss.

Is it so god damn hard to be nice and treat people with respect? Really, are you all INCAPABLE of this? Is your impulsiveness so strong that it overpowers you? Some people need to get their enormous heads out of their asses and learn that one can make a point without being a complete jackass.

Okay, so maybe, in order to "practice what I preach", I should rephrase that. I just don't feel that rudeness of that sort is justifiable. I've said it a few times in this thread already, and I think m980's quote is a good example. m980 was sticking up for himself and his decisions as he had every right to, but I just don't feel like his post needed that part.

awp wrote:

1 - Try to build a friendly relationship with people instead of a hostile one. I don't know about anyone else, but I am more prone to mod something by someone if it's someone I know and respect.

Oh finally you awp, you've got the point here. What we were criticizing is the way the BATs treat us, not they way they mod. And what you said is totally true. I'll try to be more friendly with everyone here. But that's something all the BATs should do too. We don't want to see anymore answers like Seibei's one (that's an example, he justified himself). "I'm tired" is better than "Go away".

awp wrote:

2 - The BATs are a team. We're supposed to pick up one another's slack where due. So, for the rest of the community, avoid picking out individuals to criticize (eg: foulcoon has been a lazy BAT lately) - that's our job; we'll handle that internally. View BATs as a whole entity, and not a sum of its parts.

I disagree a bit on this. Everyone of you is different in the way of modding, in tastes, and a lot of things. I bet every user here has a "favourite BAT", even the users who disagree/stay out of this issue.

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Ivalset wrote:

As the deciding authority of new members to the Beatmap Approval Team, I thought I should share with you guys my expectations of the BAT compared to my expectations of the community.

The primary difference between a member of the BAT and a non-BAT member is the ability to rank maps. The primary responsibility of a BAT member is to rank maps. Everyone in the community has the ability to mod a map on what they think should be changed or not. If maps are getting ranked, and those maps are of the quality they should be, then the BAT is accomplishing its mission.

I don't expect BAT members to mod maps every waking hour of their lives. Back in the last community meeting, a guideline of a minimum of 7 mod posts per week was established. There are 28 members of the Beatmap Approval Team group. This equals about 196 mod posts in a week. I can't exactly check without doing an unreasonable amount of digging, but I'm fairly confident that this guideline gets met. And if not, I'm absolutely confident that the situation is improved over what it has been in the past.

More maps are ranked daily. Since April 10th, 33 maps have been ranked. That's a little under 5 maps a day. Prior to the kudosu system, days would pass without a single rank, and the overall frequency of ranking was drastically lower. To say that the kudosu system has failed seems to be absolutely incorrect.

The kudosu system allows a user to increase the visibility of his or her map by placing priority stars on his or her map. One goal of this system is to give the community a way to prevent a map that is of sufficient quality from going unseen. The system may not be perfect as it is, but it is surely an improvement.

It's impossible for the BAT to mod every map out there that needs modding, and it's simply not the focus of the group at large. Anyone can mod a map, and everyone should know the general ranking criteria. There's absolutely nothing wrong with a BAT modding a map that isn't ready for approval yet, but it is inefficient towards the goals of the team. From the discussion here I see a lot of responsibility placed on the Beatmap Approval Team, while little is placed on the community itself. The community should ideally be just as vital towards the ranking of a map as the BAT is.

You're missing the point. We're not really criticizing the number of ranked maps, we're not criticizing the kudosu system. Try reading the first posts. We were just quite pissed off by the answers we received from some BATs. We were pissed at how Seibei treated Luxary, at how foulcoon replied to Kyocciola's PMs, at how m980 ranked a map which didn't have purple-stars. Now all those people apologized and explained themselves, so there's actually no problem anymore, at least for me.

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In that case I believe the thread should be locked. If there is anybody out there that has an issue they wish to be discussed PM me I'll consider reopening it.