eldnl wrote:

[Overdose]

I like your map, but this feels too overjumped on quiet parts, remember that a ctb difficulty shouldn't be only jumps, the jumps must fit with the songs, and most of the time, big jumps doesn't fit on quiet parts.
I personally prefer AR9 for a jumpy map like this, feels better.

New Combo

00:11:984 (8) - Add new combo
00:14:822 (1) - Remove new combo here
00:15:227 (2) - Add new combo
00:16:646 (6) - Add new combo
00:16:849 (1) - Remove new combo
00:19:687 (1) - Remove new combo
00:22:930 (1) - Remove new combo
00:23:335 (3) - Add new combo here
00:24:146 (1) - Remove new combo
00:29:416 (1) - Remove new combo
00:29:822 (2) - Add here
00:32:051 (1) - Remove new combo
00:33:065 (5) - Add new combo
00:33:876 (1) - Remove
00:36:308 (6) - Add new combo
00:37:119 (1) - Remove
00:37:930 (4) - Add here
00:49:078 (1) - Remove new combo
00:49:484 (2) - Add
00:50:295 (1) - Remove
00:50:903 (4) - Add
00:51:916 (1) - Remove
00:52:727 (4) - Add
00:54:146 (10) - Add here and remove in the next note
00:55:565 - Remove here and add in the next note
00:57:997 - Remove
01:05:497 (7) - Add new combo
01:06:308 (1) - Remove here
01:07:930 (1) - Remove
01:08:741 (5) - Add new combo
01:19:281 (1) - Remove

00:05:497 (1) - This slider feels too fast, try to move it a bit like this. Fixed
00:20:295 - The spin should start here I guess.
00:25:768 (3,4) - Reduce the space a bit, the jump is quite random and doesn't fit with the song.
00:33:876 - The stream looks bad when playing, try to do something like this.
00:35:295 (3,4) - Reduce the spacing between these note just a little, the jump is very big and doesn't fit.
00:36:511 (7,8) - ^ Same as before.
00:59:011 - Seems like you missed some notes in this part, please cover all sounds.
01:16:849 (5,6,7) - The jump between these notes feels a bit weird, because the spacing between the previous sliders are not that big, suggest to reduce the spacing a little.
01:28:403 - The spin should start here I guess.

Call me back for a recheck when you're done.

eldnl wrote:

Everything seems fine:3

Andrea wrote:

Congrats Zero!

OnosakiHito wrote:

Okay, okay, okay. So let's get things straight:

I just came back from my 3 months osu break, because people from the Taiko community told me about some problems. And the first thing I need to see now here is that,

A. the Taiko difficulties received just 3 mods,
B. No one, not even a single BAT has modded the Taiko difficulties,
and C. p/2257026 mod hasn't been even considered serious enough,

but this set still got ranked. Can someone explain the system of osu to me? I think I misunderstood here something?
peppy and other higher BATs disagree with a Taiko Team or some guys who are experienced in it to join the BAT team, because they think the current team can handle it already pretty well. But all I can see here is a skim or ignore of the Taiko difficulties which has the consequence that the Taiko difficultie has been checked too insufficiently.

The problem here is, that this isn't the first time something like that happened, but still, the same mistake has been done. How is that even possible?
4 BATs out of 4 didn't notice the massive issues of the map. This is truly a masterful performance.
So far it goes well with the ranking system when an experienced Taiko Mapper is doing a guest diff.. But if it happens once, that a new mapper is coming and doing a difficultie, this confident to a mapper of the BAT Team can't help anymore. New mappers need proper mods to be able to learn of it and be able to get a decent taiko map ranked so next time they might be able to improve their mapping skill. Unfortunaley this isn't the case here. Unfortunaley.


It is not the current BATs fault, they are just not experienced enough to do the work. It is rather a problem of the current system which is Taiko unfriendly.
Neither it's the fault of the mapper who made the Taiko difficultie. I assume this mapper is a fresh one, so he/she isn't able to considere the usage of patterns well enough right now, which is actually the reason to have some mods for this mapper.

To show you what I mean, I will give here an after-mod for this map, with some examples:

[wtb's Taiko Oni]

General:
As Lukareia mentioned before, the difficultie of this Oni is really hard. It has by far an overusage of hitcircles which make the map inkonsistent and look messy. Actually there are some parts which are good, but they go under the wave of too many streams which don't belong to certain sections; overusage of big dons and missplacement of notes, lost.
Also there is no clear containment of the mappers mapping way seeable, like, if he is mapping to the beat or the vocal. That's a problem. Styles can be mixed sometimes together, but on this map it didn't went well due to unexperience of the mapper. Even experienced mappers have problems with this kind of mapping, so I can't blame you for this wtb, don't worry.

Hitcircles:
00:07:930 (31) - vocal based, this would need to be a kat
00:08:335 (32,33) - And this rather don kat
00:13:200 (52) - unreasonable and unfitting finisher
00:13:605 (54,55,56,57,58,59,60,61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70) - This is one of the better streams, but can be by far mapped better and more simple which is also fair to the song.
00:18:065 (88,89,90) - The finishers are not consistent with the previous part at 00:15:227 (70,71,72) -
00:19:281 (94,95,96,97,98,99,100) - The pattern sounds strange here and should be changed to a more easier one which is clearly determinated as vocal- or beat-based pattern.
00:21:714~00:28:200 - Inconsistent usage of the main beat. The kats feel like random placed.
00:29:416 (163,164,165,166,167,168,169) - Out of a sudden there are comming too many finisher, the up coming part is totally overwaved by the finishers and has no real effect on the player anymore.
00:56:578 (336,337,338,339,340) - A pattern which hasn't been used before in the whole map.

[...]


The whole project should be unranked for now, since the Taiko isn't ready yet and should be remapped. There are way too many things which must be fixed, so it saves the time of modder and mapper by just having a new and fresh Taiko guest diff..People in #taiko are just wondering about, how something like that could happen again.
I'm gladly giving my support for this and will wait for a message from the mapper him-self or some BATs.

Zeroarg wrote:

Thanks everyone <3

Yeah, all those taikos are his first maps aiming to rank.

I read all mods as map were modded and taiko diffs seems pretty bad, but, since (as far as I know) whosthebox applied all mods, I thought they were decent enough to be ranked. And since Kurai modded it and he has knowledge of all osu modes, i thought they were ok.

I'll be honest. I dunno anything about Taiko, so i don't know if that is enough to be unranked or not.

[Yue] wrote:

Gratz owo
Creo que este mapa sera el map del mes o:

Deif wrote:

I've checked both CTB maps quickly, and they're not ready at all to be ranked:

- Salad: It's in fact a Cup at the moment (SS'd without using the dash button at all). It could've been made much more interesting, and those hitsounds need more work either.
- Overdose: It's only a Rain... There's not a single pattern that really offers a real challenge to players. In fact, somebody FC'd it with HD/HR. some stuff must be polished as well: unexpected jumps, shape of some streams...

I'll ask some players to mod both difficulties and I'll drop a full mod either here.

eldnl wrote:

Already talked about this and yes, fits better with Cup and Rain.

Deif wrote:

I've checked both CTB maps quickly, and they're not ready at all to be ranked:

- Salad: It's in fact a Cup at the moment (SS'd without using the dash button at all). It could've been made much more interesting, and those hitsounds need more work either.
- Overdose: It's only a Rain... There's not a single pattern that really offers a real challenge to players. In fact, somebody FC'd it with HD/HR. some stuff must be polished as well: unexpected jumps, shape of some streams...

I'll ask some players to mod both difficulties and I'll drop a full mod either here.

1. The hitsounds are not really good, you must fix it. You are totally abusing of claps in sections where they just make no sense or sound very weird...That counts for both CtB difficulties.
2. The overdose is a Rain, the salad is a Cup. Change difficulty names please in both difficulties!

1. Hitsounds need to be improved, as I already described in General.
2. That diff could have some more New Combos due that it's recommendable concerning CtB Ranking Criterias to put a max. Combo of 10 in CtB Mapsets.
3. OD must be 9, should be the same as AR.
4. 00:05:497 (1) - I find this boring, make it more interesting for the player.
5. 00:11:984 (1) - Here could also be a spinner instead of that pattern.
6. 00:13:605 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - That stream could be more interesting and much more challenging. Especially because it directly leads into a new rhythm.
7. 00:16:646 (1,2,3) - , 00:17:051 (4,5,6) - , 00:17:457 (7,8,9,10,11) - Those streams are just boring, why are they all vertical?
8. 00:20:295 (1) - That slider is boring. I would use the notes here.
9. 00:33:876 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - Meh. Don't know what to say about that stream... I didn't really have to move my Ryuuta a lot here.
10. 00:38:335 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Would you mind doing that part a bit more difficult?
11. 00:46:646 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - Quite boring, I suggest you to change it.
12. 01:08:741 (1,2,3) - Same. This is definitely too easy, you could make that part a bit jumpy imo. As long as you do not destroy the rhythm with it completely.
13. 01:15:227 (1,2,3,4) - Couldn't that be mapped much more interesting? I find it too easy
14. 01:19:687 (9) - What is that doing there? It's just... very, very weird.
15. 01:27:389 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - I find this almost a bit too easy for such an epic ending of the song.

1. Hitsounds need to be improved, as I already described in General.
2. 00:03:065 (1) - Could be more symmetrical to 00:00:633 (1) -
3. 00:03:065 (1,2) - Why this slider so often in a row with reverse arrow? I do not like to play this section, it's too repeating.
4. 00:17:660 (4) - Why is it having the same direction as 00:15:227 (1) - ? Could be the opposite direction here.
5. 00:20:092 (4,5,6,7,8) - The whole section is weird. I would change it completely.
6. 00:45:430 (4,5,6,7,8,9) - That section could look much cleaner in my opinion
7. 01:00:430 (7) - That doesn't fit to the slider before.
8. 01:02:254 (1,2,3) - You use the same pattern 3 consecutive times, that is really boring to play.
9. 01:08:741 (1) - Why is it not the same direction as 01:07:119 (4) - (just symmetrical for example)?
10. 01:12:795 (2) - Reverse selection, maybe?
11. 01:15:227 (1) - Could be more interesting, I don't even need to move my Ryuuta from the slider before here.

1. 00:05:497 (1) - remove NC, start new combo at 00:06:511 (1) - and remove NC at 00:07:119 (1) -
2. 00:08:335 (4) - move it to where 00:09:349 (5) - will be at?
3. 00:18:673 (2,3,4) - have you considered copy pasting this to 00:19:484 ? looks good imo lol
4. 00:24:754 (6) - ctrl+h this?
5. 01:02:254 (1,2,3,4) - maybe put consistent increasing spacing on these sliders? landing on the same spot seems boring imo, and its on kiai time so making it a bit hard wouldnt hurt, its the highlight of the song anyway
6. 01:15:227 (1,2,3,4) - ^

Deif wrote:

In fact, somebody FC'd it with HD/HR

1. shift the BG to

   0,0,"BG.jpg",0,50

1. OD and HP-1 because this is muzu
2. 00:00:835 - and 00:02:051 and 00:03:268 - - have vocal sound, but here is not as powerful as others so i suggest remove these.
3. 00:05:497 - remove finish there is no accent
4. 00:06:308 - change k and 00:06:916 - add k because you follow the vocal in the forward part
5. 00:08:943 - remove this vocal is also not as powerful as others
6. 00:11:376 (37,38) - remove and 00:11:477 - add d to follow the vocal
7. 00:13:808 (2,3,4) - remove and 00:13:910 - and 00:14:214 - add k
8. 00:14:619 (5,6,7) - change ddd,because it can emphasize 00:15:024 -
9. 00:16:038 - remove, this note is unnecessary
10. 00:17:660 - move to 00:18:268 -
11. 00:19:382 (25,27) - remove dddd is so hard
12. 00:22:322 - remove ,this note is unnecessary
13. 00:23:132 - change d and 00:23:335 - remove to follow the vocal
14. 00:24:349 - remove
15. 00:24:754 - ^
16. 00:27:592 (56,57) - ^
17. 00:28:808 - add d, because it can make 00:29:416 (62,63,64,65,66,67,68) - balanced
18. 00:33:268 - add d means to change next part
19. 00:36:308 - remove
20. 00:38:132 - ^
21. 00:40:666 - ^
22. 00:41:376 (112,113) - remove and 00:41:477 - add note to follow the vocal
23. 00:43:403 (120,121) - reverse and 00:43:808 - add k
24. 00:44:416 - remove finish
25. 00:45:531 - remove
26. 00:46:646 - add k
27. 00:49:889 - add note to follow the vocal
28. 00:51:207 - and 00:51:308 - and 00:52:119 - remove
29. 00:51:916 - add d
30. 00:52:930 (157,158,159,160,161,162) - this is so hard, change to :http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/807002
31. 00:55:768 - remove
32. 00:59:822 (187,188,189,190,191) - you can change slider
33. 01:02:051 - remove and 01:02:254 - add finish
34. 01:05:700 - remove
35. 01:07:930 - remove finish and 01:08:132 - add d
36. 01:14:011 (244,245) - reverse and 01:14:822 - remove finish
37. 01:15:430 - remove finish
38. 01:18:673 - remove
39. 01:20:497 - remove finish

1. i roughly point out some problem on this diff
2. 00:21:714 - ~ 00:34:687 - is not more powerful than 00:15:227 - ~ 00:21:714 - you should not put too many notes on 00:21:714 - ~ 00:34:687 -
3. 00:29:416 (163,164,165,166,167,168,169) - this part should not put finish on here , for this song,finish is unnecessary
4. 00:39:146 (225,226,227,228,229,230,231) - the last note on this pattern is not on the ordinary tempo,it must make the map strange
5. 00:47:660 - ~00:54:146 - must put less notes on here to can aid the next part more powerful
6. finally, make sure your patterns are put on the correct place.