I like special moves when they take a long time to unlock and then even then you can't use it whenever you want. Or like, you can use it, but it takes a long time to use it again. Or you can only use it in special conditions or something. I liked Golden Sun because it took a while to get the weapons that had awesome abilities on them, and then they only happened randomly. And the best summons took some time to set up in that game. Kingdom Hearts II has that incredibly slow-filling Drive Gauge so you can't over-use Drive Forms. If you start out as weak shit, then you build up to being a badass, that's cool.
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Shotlock and Break Time. I've essentially won this game already. This is broken.
Disgaea series is fantastic for this. Think of a Final Fantasy game but remove basically all the limits. Your Strength stat is capped, but it's capped at 40 million instead of like, 255 or 3000. And it's not artificially inflated. you start off with a STR of like 10 or 20, doing maybe 15 damage a hit, and you work your way up.Seibei4211 wrote:
If you start out as weak shit, then you build up to being a badass, that's cool.
If you like being able to gradually build up your characters from a wimp to a titan, you might get a kick out of Disgaea's progression system.
But if you go to the Land of Carnage, be prepared to have your ass handed to you for using sloppy tactics, even if you're level 130,000
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Since Birth By Sleep's been boring me so much, I went ahead and looked for a fun-looking RPG to play until The Cave came out. I knew tri-Ace had made some Valkyrie Profile games, but I had never actually looked at the gameplay for any of them. Fucking shit, they look fun as the dickens. At least 1 and 2 do. Third one's a TRPG, but it still looks ok. Also, that one is only $3. That's a low enough risk for me. That can be my TRPG test to see if I even like the genre.
awp: Well, yeah, I knew that Disgaea went up to ridiculous numbers, but that's a little much. I thought it was too much when I found out that Tales went up to level 250 or whatever. And I don't really need high numbers for shit. Kingdom Hearts deals in 3 or 4 digit numbers. Max health was 120, I believe, for Sora in KH2. Sephiroth had 3,000 HP, the most of anyone in the game. Made stat changes feel more important.
awp: Well, yeah, I knew that Disgaea went up to ridiculous numbers, but that's a little much. I thought it was too much when I found out that Tales went up to level 250 or whatever. And I don't really need high numbers for shit. Kingdom Hearts deals in 3 or 4 digit numbers. Max health was 120, I believe, for Sora in KH2. Sephiroth had 3,000 HP, the most of anyone in the game. Made stat changes feel more important.
I'm playing through Valkyrie Profile right now on PSP. I'm a few chapters in, but the combat is boring at the start (basically just mashing your face on the buttons until you run out of attacks) and completing dungeons feels like a chore and I picked up an item early on that basically made the Capacity Points that you earn when you level up worthless since it gives a major boost to them (and then the game outright gave me another). The voice acting is pretty terrible for some characters too.
I'm hoping that the combat picks up when some better weapons and some actual skills unlock, but it honestly mostly just makes me want to play through Super Robot Taisen: OG Saga: Endless Frontier again.
I'm hoping that the combat picks up when some better weapons and some actual skills unlock, but it honestly mostly just makes me want to play through Super Robot Taisen: OG Saga: Endless Frontier again.
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Is there a Japanese voice option? I've heard some of the English voice acting, and I'd definite turn Japanese voices on if I could. I've been thinking about whether or not the first one would get boring quickly. Because I can see how it could get repetitive, but I don't know. The VP2 seems like it has the most promise to be fun, because you fight in a 3D plain similar to Star Ocean, so there's a lot more possibility for variety and strategy. But when you actually start attacking an enemy, it's similar to the VP1 battle system. Although there's no charge time in VP2, so you can use magic whenever and do as many soul crushes as you can.
There's no Japanese voice option, but there's an undub if you're pirating it.
I also bought Star Ocean recently, but I wont get around to it for probably another year.
I also bought Star Ocean recently, but I wont get around to it for probably another year.
Try Ni no Kuni, it's fun as hell. There's a demo and japanese voice opiton.Seibei4211 wrote:
Since Birth By Sleep's been boring me so much, I went ahead and looked for a fun-looking RPG to play until The Cave came out.
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Yeah, I've looked into Ni no Kuni. It wasn't appealing to me at first, but I told myself that if the battle system looked fun enough, I'd give it a try anyway. The battle system didn't appeal to me either, and then later on I heard from people who were excited about the game that the AI for your teammates is pretty bad. I think they said they liked to get themselves killed or something.
My brother forced me to play it.foulcoon wrote:
Just skimmed and don't see any mention of Metal Gear Rising in the last few pages. I'm planning on picking that up today, been doing too much MMO gaming to check it out until now
I'm glad he did. Once the game "clicks" it's a blast. Only 2 hours in right now, though. I'm gonna play more later.
EDIT: *close to 4 hours in, 2 hours according to game clock which only tracks gameplay.
EDIT2: Beat it. Amazing game.
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So I picked up Valkyrie Profile 1 and 3 and Ar tonelico 2. I've played some of VP1 and I'm playing AT2 right now. I think I already love AT2. I haven't even done anything in it, really. I've played 20 minutes. I just really like the art style and stuff. I've read the manual about the battle system and that just sounds really fun, too. So far adam's been right about VP1, but I'm gonna keep it going and see what happens. Just hit chapter 1 in that. I bet it'll get a little more interesting once I have weapons with multiple attacks and I get a bigger variety of attacks. And as for Birth By Sleep, I finally beat Terra's story and started Ventus'. I think I'm already liking it more than Terra's.
Valkyrie Profile 1 is a great game but it takes a while for it to get going. I think I tried playing it like 4 times before it finally clicked. The storyline is pretty cool though you kind of have to dig and/or follow an ending guide to get at some of it.
Valkyrie Profile 2 is way more accessible and is still pretty great, but I don't like the way they handle the einherjar (party members). They feel a lot more lifeless than the ones in VP1. You got a super cool storyline and intro to each character in 1, and most of them were interconnected in various ways. In 2 most of them you just read a couple paragraphs in their backstory and that's about it. There are a few people that are super important history-wise, and they're fleshed out pretty well, but there are a bunch of people who are just random whatevers. Also the einherjar are no where near as unique as they were in VP1, battle-wise.
Overall I'd say VP2 is a better game but VP1 has bucketloads more charm and a better overall story, world and characters.
Also I fucking told you to play ar tonelico 2 like 4 years ago!!!!!
Valkyrie Profile 2 is way more accessible and is still pretty great, but I don't like the way they handle the einherjar (party members). They feel a lot more lifeless than the ones in VP1. You got a super cool storyline and intro to each character in 1, and most of them were interconnected in various ways. In 2 most of them you just read a couple paragraphs in their backstory and that's about it. There are a few people that are super important history-wise, and they're fleshed out pretty well, but there are a bunch of people who are just random whatevers. Also the einherjar are no where near as unique as they were in VP1, battle-wise.
Overall I'd say VP2 is a better game but VP1 has bucketloads more charm and a better overall story, world and characters.
Also I fucking told you to play ar tonelico 2 like 4 years ago!!!!!
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I know, dude, but to get AT2, I would've had to get it online somewhere. Also, I don't remember if I had my PS2 with me when I was playing AT3. And I had to hit another RPG mood, hence all the Kingdom Hearts and Valkyrie Profile. Anyway, my local Gamestop had AT2, so I went and picked it up. I think it also cost a little more the last time I checked. It was still $20, but now I'm realizing it was worth it. Like, this game is better than AT3 in every way. Croix > Aoto. Luca > Saki. Croche > Finnel. And don't even get me started on how much better the battle system is in this game and how much cooler every fucking attack is.
I still listen to the replekia theme while driving. Shit is too good, gives me goosebumps.
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My friend is a fucking idiot. He looked at Valkyrie Profile and thinks that looks good. He's ok with the idea of Ar tonelico 3. When I tell him that AT2 is on the PS2, he says he won't like it because it looks like it could've been on a handheld. He literally thinks the game is bad only because of the graphics.
Oh, and my favorite part about VP1 so far is the fucking Golden Sun music.
Oh, and my favorite part about VP1 so far is the fucking Golden Sun music.
So yeah, i wanted to buy Tales of Graces F from Play-Asia but it says "Out of Print/Out of Stock"
Does this mean is gone forever? :C
Does this mean is gone forever? :C
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Finally played TWEWY. And then I stopped. Forever. I made it to the part where you get Fusions. Then I found out how much Fusions ruin everything. It's not even worth continuing to see if it gets less worse. And I'll never see if Neku stops being the biggest piece of shit.
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Finally played TWEWY. And then I stopped. Forever. I made it to the part where you get Fusions. Then I found out how much Fusions ruin everything. It's not even worth continuing to see if it gets less worse. And I'll never see if Neku stops being the biggest piece of shit.
Of course he stops being a self-centred, arrogant brat. You think Squenix would let a character like that stay like that? Actually, never mind.
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Yeah, but I get the feeling that fusions are the entire point of the battle system. I could sit there and ignore the fact that there are fusions and hope I activate one on accident, but then what's even the point? Why have any special attack system that's based on luck anyway? I think I would've at least stuck with the game a little longer if getting hit didn't interrupt your combo or if dodging/moving didn't fail 80% of the time I tried to do it. That was the infuriating part. When I finally died, it was because I was trying to hit the cure pin, but was getting hit so constantly that it interrupted a spell that's generally instant. Multiple times in a row.
By fusions do you mean the pin thing you click in the corner once your synergy builds up or however it works? There's no luck involved.
I forget how it works but what I love about that game's battle system is how deliberate everything is. Except for the pin sets. They're not worth collecting.
I forget how it works but what I love about that game's battle system is how deliberate everything is. Except for the pin sets. They're not worth collecting.
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Yes, those things. There's some luck with Shiki because you have to just guess what the first card is. If you get it right, you then have to guess the next one. If you get it wrong, you can, in theory, get the rest without guessing. The luck part comes in whether or not you can even finish a fucking combo before you get interrupted by one of the four enemies wailing on you. And if the solution to that is to kill some of the enemies so they don't hit you as much, then that defeats the purpose of a move that hits all of the enemies at once. I hadn't unlocked blocking or jumping yet, so I don't know if that shit would help, but I don't see how it would. At some point you would still have to stand there and do the combo. I also didn't like how slooooow the stupid puck was. Like seriously, speed it up. It'd be fucking great if the puck was instant. There were so many times when I'd do a combo with Shiki, then I'd just sit there as Neku, waiting and waiting for the puck to saunter over so I could finally go ahead and do a combo without it being wasted or breaking the chain.
There are ways to speed up the puck and dodging/blocking helps a lot if you can manage controlling two characters at the same time. Also, don't spend too much time planning attacks with your partner. I just mashed right/left (attack?) constantly. If it still moves the puck around you can easily just beef it up using Neku. I think my flash card still has TWEWY on it so I might throw it in and see if I can remember how to play and offer pointersSeibei4211 wrote:
Yes, those things. There's some luck with Shiki because you have to just guess what the first card is. If you get it right, you then have to guess the next one. If you get it wrong, you can, in theory, get the rest without guessing. The luck part comes in whether or not you can even finish a fucking combo before you get interrupted by one of the four enemies wailing on you. And if the solution to that is to kill some of the enemies so they don't hit you as much, then that defeats the purpose of a move that hits all of the enemies at once. I hadn't unlocked blocking or jumping yet, so I don't know if that shit would help, but I don't see how it would. At some point you would still have to stand there and do the combo. I also didn't like how slooooow the stupid puck was. Like seriously, speed it up. It'd be fucking great if the puck was instant. There were so many times when I'd do a combo with Shiki, then I'd just sit there as Neku, waiting and waiting for the puck to saunter over so I could finally go ahead and do a combo without it being wasted or breaking the chain.
the combat system doesn't appeal to everyone but I think it's the greatest thing on the DS and hands-down the best title Squenix has put out in the last decade
augh. Okay I was playing it and I can't for the life of me remember how to change my phone menu music. Driving me nuts.
So puck is just a damage multiplier, and you need stars to build up that sync ability, which means you do actually need to get the cards right. I still just mash the left and right buttons for the most part though. The puck is enough.
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You're making the same argument that my friend's been making, saying that there are upgrades later on that make the combat system less shitty. I just wanna know why the combat system can't be fun all the time. Like why can't it just start out being good, then get better, instead of starting out horrible and becoming bearable. I'm "used" to the "two screen battle system" if you wanna say the top screen even counts. I do have it set to Manual and Normal mode and shit. It's like, I can get through the battles, it just takes a while because the enemies have stupid amounts of HP, there's a stupid amount of enemies, and my fully upgraded pins do pitiful damage. So yeah, I can do it, it's just not been fun, and the game's given me no indication that it will ever get fun. Leveling up doesn't feel very good, because it doesn't really boost too many stats. There's also something about the battles in general. Like the top screen doesn't ever feel like you're doing damage to enemies. It never ever feels any good to do anything with the top screen. And it barely feels decent to do damage on the bottom screen. The attacks feel so weak and flaccid and whatever. Satisfying sounds and appropriate reactions when you hit enemies go a long way, apparently. Oh, and I guess one thing that's annoying is how often the enemies will just fly off the screen and then fly back to you for absolutely no reason. There's a lot of waiting involved because good luck trying to follow them with the iffy movement controls.
It's been a long time since I've played it from a new game, but I recall loving the battle system immediately (except for the part where you have to use fire, that's boring as shit)
bosses were tough though iirc
bosses were tough though iirc
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After a bit of a break, I went back to TWEWY and I made it to day 6. I don't hate it as much as I did previously, but I'm still not into it. I liked the boss that you fight in darkness, cause there was actually a good reason to pay attention to the top screen and use fusions and stuff. All of the other bosses I fought were just damage sponges. I know they're not all like that, but the ones I fought were. After playing Birth By Sleep, I'm totally fucking sick of having to level up moves, so getting PP for pins sucked for me.
Edit: Oh, and speaking of BBS, Ival was right about Aqua being the best. The person I'm borrowing this game from said Ventus was the best, but come on. Ghost Drive. And countless other things.
Edit: Oh, and speaking of BBS, Ival was right about Aqua being the best. The person I'm borrowing this game from said Ventus was the best, but come on. Ghost Drive. And countless other things.
Ventus had the best keyblade style, but Aqua was the best of the three. She didn't have much competition though
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Yeah, I thought Aqua had the best keyblade style. At least for me. She was at least the best aerial keyblade fighter. She did vertical slashes in the air, which is what you need to keep an aerial combo going. I think she was also capable of flying downwards a bit to hit someone, which is helpful. I don't know if I was just imaging this, but it seemed like she had the longest dash distance when attacking distant enemies on land, too. Ventus' attacks looked cooler though.
Anyway, just beat the game finally. Tried beating the first secret boss a few times. Fuuuuck thaaat. I'll save that headache for when I inevitably have to do it in the next KH Collection. By the way, Kingdom Hearts II, Birth By Sleep, and Coded seem to be on the next KH Collection. There's HD videos of those games at the end of 1.5 Remix.
Now that BBS is done, time to get back to Valkyrie Profile. And hopefully some AT2. And I'd really like to play some Joe Danger 2...
Anyway, just beat the game finally. Tried beating the first secret boss a few times. Fuuuuck thaaat. I'll save that headache for when I inevitably have to do it in the next KH Collection. By the way, Kingdom Hearts II, Birth By Sleep, and Coded seem to be on the next KH Collection. There's HD videos of those games at the end of 1.5 Remix.
Now that BBS is done, time to get back to Valkyrie Profile. And hopefully some AT2. And I'd really like to play some Joe Danger 2...
that's cool but is Coded getting the "Cutscene Only" treatment? Because that was a dick move to 358/2 daysSeibei4211 wrote:
By the way, Kingdom Hearts II, Birth By Sleep, and Coded seem to be on the next KH Collection. There's HD videos of those games at the end of 1.5 Remix.
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I dunno yet. I just know those three games are gonna be on it in some way. I wanna know if it's gonna be coded or Re:coded (probably Re:coded). I'm not looking forward to getting the Birth By Sleep plat. If you have to get 100% in that, then that'd suck hard.
I played VP3 today. I really liked that. I guess I'm not so allergic to TRPGs. I got into some tough situations already, since you can't grind, but I still beat them. I don't know if I could deal with Fire Emblem's permadeath shit though. I let one of my party members die at one point since I didn't want to waste one of my 2 turns of double stats. I guess if I knew she would've died for good, I would've just healed her. But there was another time when she got frozen and taken down to 10 HP. That'd be a little too close for comfort in a permadeath game.
I played VP3 today. I really liked that. I guess I'm not so allergic to TRPGs. I got into some tough situations already, since you can't grind, but I still beat them. I don't know if I could deal with Fire Emblem's permadeath shit though. I let one of my party members die at one point since I didn't want to waste one of my 2 turns of double stats. I guess if I knew she would've died for good, I would've just healed her. But there was another time when she got frozen and taken down to 10 HP. That'd be a little too close for comfort in a permadeath game.
It's not much to think about in Fire Emblem. When someone dies, most people just restart. And usually, if someone is dying, you fucked up pretty hard and overextended or something. Or let a flier get hit by an archer.
They give you a bunch of tools to see enemy movement/attack ranges and stuff, so you know when you're taking risks.
They give you a bunch of tools to see enemy movement/attack ranges and stuff, so you know when you're taking risks.
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Yeah, there may be some better tools or something to keep you from dying for no reason in Fire Emblem. I know in VP3, archers and sorcerers are the bane of my existence. Sorcerers do the status effects I don't like and archers find their way into every conflict in the beginning. Gotta give the AI some credit in this game. They're pretty good about picking someone and focusing damage on them. But yeah, in VP3, it takes some work, but you can figure out where it's safe to be to not get hit by enemies (although it's pretty hard to know when you're safe from an archer/sorcerer). It'd be nice if it was a bit easier to figure that out, but whatever.
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Wow. So Gamestop's got a thing going on where if you buy God of War: Ascension online, you get the God of War Saga for free. That's 6 games for $60. Not bad. God of War Saga's $40 just by itself.
I've seen GoW Saga for about $20 in pawn shops but $40 brand new is good considering it's 5 full games
Do we have a PS4 topic?
Anw...from neogaf.
Anw...from neogaf.
And Cliffy responds:
Cliff Bleszinski @therealcliffyb 2h
MEGATON ALERT TEH GAF "@megganpez: Mark Cerny & Yu Suzuki talking strategy for Shenmue III. For reals you guys.
Combine with this tidbit from January of last year:
Yu Suzuki: "We can obtain Shenmue license from Sega."
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...ense-from-sega
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There. PlayStation Club. I even made the first post totally general. And now for something completely different. I've been going on a F2P MMO rampage lately. Tried out Scarlet Blade, Dragon Nest, Vindictus, Remnant Knights, Rusty Hearts, and Continent of the 9th Seal. Dragon Nest and Vindictus are probably my favorites out of them all. C9 was promising, but it crashed on me because my computer can just barely run it at all. I can also barely run Vindictus. I've got that on the second lowest graphic setting, but it works.
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So Kingdom Hearts: Dream Drop Distance went down to $20 recently. Finally broke down and bought it. I didn't like the demo when I played it and after playing Birth By Sleep, I was even less excited about it since I thought it used a similar battle system. And in the demo, the Flowmotion stuff hadn't won me over, since I couldn't get it to work very well. I've done a complete fucking 360 about the game. I love it so hard. I've gotten used to the Flow-mo, they got rid of some of the most annoying parts about BBS, but kept the good stuff, they made the bosses cooler, the worlds and general enemies are more fun, and I even don't mine the Dream Eaters now. I think this has become my third favorite Kingdom Hearts overall and my favorite handheld version. Although Sora is really annoying in this one... His voice and his personality are so different from Kingdom Hearts II, even though this is supposed to take place afterwards. Also, I think he got shorter for some reason. Maybe this is all story-related and I don't even know. But Riku is obviously his KHII self, with shorter hair.
It's $20 now? I think I'll have to eventually go for it, then.
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Yeah, if you haven't finished the game yet, Sora's personality regression is kinda sorta explained later on.
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Yeah, I've only just hit Prankster's Paradise. I backtracked and did a bunch of special portals and stuff. The dudes in the Tron world on Riku's side were kinda mean, so the extra leveling up didn't hurt. I'm glad I did BBS before this game, since there's so many references to things introduced in BBS. BBS and 3D are basically the least "spin-off" of the spin-offs.
Neither of them are spin-offs.Seibei4211 wrote:
Yeah, BBS and 3D are basically the least "spin-off" of the spin-offs.