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Jeff Williams - Red Like Roses (feat. Casey Lee Williams)

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Jinxy

Searaphim wrote:

I love this song so much! I sure hope you're working hard on it ^.^ The current version is unplayable though :( it's obvious that it's because you're editing it though :P
Define unplayable, is there an objective problem (timing, weird spacing, etc) or do you not like parts of it? If so, can you elaborate on where and why so I can check it out? Which is basically modding, in the end...
Searaphim
Well to put it simply if you've actually tried that new Insane difficulty version of yours (For Redzero at least,I haven't tried the others yet) you'd notice that many notes are off-beat (unlike before) and at some point there's even sliders going on at the same time ?_? That's kinda unplayable :P

See for yourself, I made a streaming http://www.livestream.com/searaphim/vid ... 0d619ce2fc
It gets really bad around 1:26 as you can see

It's obviously broken ^^" Seems like it's the timing of the whole thing is off for some reason D:
Topic Starter
Jinxy
What the shit happened

Fixed
EDIT: my changes aren't sticking
EDIT2: Today I learned having a slider velocity changing section before the first red section fucks shit up. Fixed for real.
neonat
Minor rhythm suggestions~

Crescent Rose

02:08:473 (10,11) - don't stack these 2
02:13:123 - add a note
02:14:023 - ^
02:23:623 - ^
02:25:423 (2) - shorten slider to end at 02:25:723 and add a note at 02:25:873
why not add notes at 02:56:751 -, 02:56:826 and 02:56:901 like the other parts with similar music

Redzero

02:04:123 - something should be here instead of being in the middle of a slider
03:02:601 (8) - remove
03:02:901 - add a note

Good luck~
Searaphim
Here's a kudosu for you work! :)
Topic Starter
Jinxy

neonat wrote:

Minor rhythm suggestions~

Crescent Rose

02:08:473 (10,11) - don't stack these 2 {Why not? It fits the music, unless theres another reason.}
02:13:123 - add a note
02:14:023 - ^

02:23:623 - ^
02:25:423 (2) - shorten slider to end at 02:25:723 and add a note at 02:25:873
why not add notes at 02:56:751 -, 02:56:826 and 02:56:901 like the other parts with similar music
Good luck~
quiz-chan_DELETED
(´°_°)ノ''~☆
Searaphim
Tell me, will you work on Mirror Mirror once you're done with this map?
Raging Bull
Wow this map is really nice.

Red:
nothing big to me.
02:15:073 (4) - Maybe make this into 1/1 slider and then add a note? It feels awkward to me as there is a strong beat but slider passes over it. Plus there's a large gap that should give beginners a good break already and time to read it.
02:26:798 (1) - Apparently I am told this spinner is unsnapped. Perhaps check it?

02:52:476 (4) -
02:59:676 (4) - Perhaps change these two sliders into 2/1 slider instead? I kinda like how the other sliders just end as new stanza begin as if it's slowly (I think?) it build tension as it ends on downbeat. The repeat kinda ruins that moment for me.

Crimson:
00:39:514 (5) - Maybe make this a 2/1 slider? to me the silence is kinda awkward as she is saying rest. If you do add slider, maybe make it a bit slower like x.8 also? Seems like a good place for slowdown.
02:53:076 (1) - Normally I would keep NC on downbeats, but since you didn't earlier. Remove NC for consistency?
Then you got a few here and there that has NC and don't because of how slider end ends on downbeat, but up to you to make them the same or not.

Crescent:
02:20:323 (2,3) - Well this kinda surprise me. There wasn't exactly a 1/2 jump you mapped after the music calmed down (cannot find the term x_x) so this jump was kinda unexpected. Perhaps use normal distance snapping here? I mean 02:19:573 (1,2,3,4) - is the only part that seemed fast pace compared to then notes after this.
02:56:151 (2,3,4,5) - Streams kinda felt weird to me here. I prefer if you just made it a circle really. If you wanted to make it harder, perhaps make the music with similar melody like at 02:47:676 (4,5,6,7,1) - a jump instead?
02:54:876 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - This one I don't mind.
03:00:876 (3,4,5,6,7) - If you do keep the streams, can you at least make these the same spacing like the rest of the streams? Felt kinda weird for me to see spaced streams and then a stack one in the middle and the more spaced streams after.

Hellozero:
02:45:876 (1) - Perhaps add finish to beginning? Feels bland to me since kiai started and nothing to really back it up with hitsound.
02:56:076 (4) - For parts in the music with similar melody and mapped like this, perhaps remove 1 repeat and add circle? I think having to click the circle at 02:56:376 has a better feel than just holding it as slider ends.

Not much but yeah, good song. Good luck.
Topic Starter
Jinxy

Raging Bull wrote:

Wow this map is really nice.

Red:
nothing big to me.
02:15:073 (4) - Maybe make this into 1/1 slider and then add a note? It feels awkward to me as there is a strong beat but slider passes over it. Plus there's a large gap that should give beginners a good break already and time to read it.
02:26:798 (1) - Apparently I am told this spinner is unsnapped. Perhaps check it?

02:52:476 (4) -
02:59:676 (4) - Perhaps change these two sliders into 2/1 slider instead? I kinda like how the other sliders just end as new stanza begin as if it's slowly (I think?) it build tension as it ends on downbeat. The repeat kinda ruins that moment for me. {Interesting, but the slider placements feel wonky if I do that, though...


Crimson:
00:39:514 (5) - Maybe make this a 2/1 slider? to me the silence is kinda awkward as she is saying rest. If you do add slider, maybe make it a bit slower like x.8 also? Seems like a good place for slowdown.
02:53:076 (1) - Normally I would keep NC on downbeats, but since you didn't earlier. Remove NC for consistency?
Then you got a few here and there that has NC and don't because of how slider end ends on downbeat, but up to you to make them the same or not.


Crescent:
02:20:323 (2,3) - Well this kinda surprise me. There wasn't exactly a 1/2 jump you mapped after the music calmed down (cannot find the term x_x) so this jump was kinda unexpected. Perhaps use normal distance snapping here? I mean 02:19:573 (1,2,3,4) - is the only part that seemed fast pace compared to then notes after this. {It feels ok to me, and the next similar tune also has similar jumps.
02:56:151 (2,3,4,5) - Streams kinda felt weird to me here. I prefer if you just made it a circle really. If you wanted to make it harder, perhaps make the music with similar melody like at 02:47:676 (4,5,6,7,1) - a jump instead? {It's the beginning of a pattern of 2 streams and then 5 1/2s, though, so I would prefer to keep it like this.}
02:54:876 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - This one I don't mind.
03:00:876 (3,4,5,6,7) - If you do keep the streams, can you at least make these the same spacing like the rest of the streams? Felt kinda weird for me to see spaced streams and then a stack one in the middle and the more spaced streams after.

Hellozero:
02:45:876 (1) - Perhaps add finish to beginning? Feels bland to me since kiai started and nothing to really back it up with hitsound.
02:56:076 (4) - For parts in the music with similar melody and mapped like this, perhaps remove 1 repeat and add circle? I think having to click the circle at 02:56:376 has a better feel than just holding it as slider ends.

Not much but yeah, good song. Good luck.
Thanks for the mod!
Searaphim
RWBY Yellow is out! :D You probably know about that though xD
Hellzero

Loli Cjj wrote:

=Hellzero=
I was hoping it has something related to rose, though, but it's up to you.
1. 01:31:423 (2) - One, the shape is ugly. Second, it's an ugy overlap. Third, spacing (200 bpm 1/2 3.0x is quite . . . mean).
NO

neonat wrote:

Redzero
02:04:123 - something should be here instead of being in the middle of a slider
03:02:601 (8) - remove
03:02:901 - add a note
NO

Raging Bull wrote:

Hellozero:
02:45:876 (1) - Perhaps add finish to beginning? Feels bland to me since kiai started and nothing to really back it up with hitsound. added
02:56:076 (4) - For parts in the music with similar melody and mapped like this, perhaps remove 1 repeat and add circle? I think having to click the circle at 02:56:376 has a better feel than just holding it as slider ends. really good idea, added
Thx all for modding

Update! http://puu.sh/37b35.osu
Topic Starter
Jinxy
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Topic Starter
Jinxy
01:08 Teara: wow, that huge increase in difficulty in Crescent Rose
01:08 JInxyjem: as in from Crimson > Crescent or Crescent itself
01:09 *Teara is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/219394 Jeff Williams feat. Casey Lee Williams - Red Like Roses [Crescent Rose]]
01:12 Teara: started off as hard, to insane, to wtf, haha, u die now
01:12 Teara: while I understand that the music allows it, its still a little overkill
01:12 Teara: especially the streams

01:17 Teara: at the start, I get constent +10 -> +20 ms early
01:18 Teara: 00:26:764 -> and up its 15+ms early
01:21 Teara: 01:12:085 -> 0ms - 1ms late
01:21 Teara: so good
01:21 Teara: 01:56:681 > 0ms
01:22 Teara: 02:14:473 - > 3 - 7 ms early
01:24 Teara: and the end 10 to 15ms late

01:31 Teara: one thing I can say thou for the current map
01:31 Teara: 02:00:673 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - this will prob have to change.
01:32 JInxyjem: crescent or
01:32 Teara: while the idea is nice, it just doesnt play nice
01:32 Teara: Crescent
01:32 Teara: Rose*

Tweaked the timings a bit, but I think I won't change the beat positions much yet.
Flower
Hi~

[General]
IN your three diffs, it's a good idea if you use claps as a pattern, between 01:14:773 - and 02:26:773 - , like in Redzero.
combo 2,4,6,8 are too similar to 1,3,5,7. try some more distinct colours.
I think the first red section should be 70 instead of 140. please consider.
01:41:773 - you need to recheck timing around here. in Redzero the downbeat notes are put on blue ticks.
02:26:773 (1) - start at 02:26:810 -

[Redzero]
before 01:08:642 - there is heavy overmap. I don't get the point that you add so many notes that there is no beat in the music. it's necessary to remap this part.
01:23:473 (2,3) - ctrl+G for better flow. distance to the next 1 is not a problem.
01:41:473 (5,6) - try ctrl+G?
01:42:598 (3,4) - move down a bit, so that it's not overlapped with 01:41:623 (6) -
01:57:073 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - make better shape. use "convert slider into stream" as a help
Good diff.

[Crescent Rose]
if you want to keep the distance spacing, please turn grid snap off and re-arrange the notes, because there is noticeable spacing inconsistency between notes while the grid snap is not always accurate.
before 01:08:642 - there is heavy overmap. same as Redzero, you should remap this part
02:07:273 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - I don't really get the sudden jump. reducing distance is not a bad idea.

[Crimson Rose]
same as previous diff, please turn grid snap off and re-arrange the notes
01:20:923 - add a note

[Red Rose]
after 02:45:890 - strongly recommended that you keep distance spacing on kiai time, the same as previous parts. Sudden speed up confused the player.

Good luck~
Hellzero

Flower wrote:

[Redzero]
before 01:08:642 - there is heavy overmap. I don't get the point that you add so many notes that there is no beat in the music. it's necessary to remap this part. because it's insane and if I remove overmap it will be boring
01:23:473 (2,3) - ctrl+G for better flow. distance to the next 1 is not a problem. yeah, good flow
01:41:473 (5,6) - try ctrl+G? no
01:42:598 (3,4) - move down a bit, so that it's not overlapped with 01:41:623 (6) - overlapped? o.o
01:57:073 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - make better shape. use "convert slider into stream" as a help =_=
01:35:023 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6) - also I did more good flow here, thx for your advice
http://puu.sh/3mVfD.osu
Topic Starter
Jinxy

Flower wrote:

Hi~

[General]
IN your three diffs, it's a good idea if you use claps as a pattern, between 01:14:773 - and 02:26:773 - , like in Redzero.
combo 2,4,6,8 are too similar to 1,3,5,7. try some more distinct colours. {I have ensured that 2 is never used right after 1, and etc, except the start where the colour theme is very obvious. The colour choices fit the Red, White, Black, Yellow (RWBY) theme.}
I think the first red section should be 70 instead of 140. please consider. {There's a light "boom" sound on downbeat with 140, so I'm keeping it}
01:41:773 - you need to recheck timing around here. in Redzero the downbeat notes are put on blue ticks.{Maybe, but it's a relatively small part affected.
02:26:773 (1) - start at 02:26:810 -

[Redzero]
before 01:08:642 - there is heavy overmap. I don't get the point that you add so many notes that there is no beat in the music. it's necessary to remap this part.
01:23:473 (2,3) - ctrl+G for better flow. distance to the next 1 is not a problem.
01:41:473 (5,6) - try ctrl+G?
01:42:598 (3,4) - move down a bit, so that it's not overlapped with 01:41:623 (6) -
01:57:073 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - make better shape. use "convert slider into stream" as a help
Good diff.

[Crescent Rose]
if you want to keep the distance spacing, please turn grid snap off and re-arrange the notes, because there is noticeable spacing inconsistency between notes while the grid snap is not always accurate. {They're accurate enough for me, the ones I'm more concerned about are spacing that breaks patterns, which grid snap helps.} {Did a spacing recheck for over-the-top grid snaps, anyway.}
before 01:08:642 - there is heavy overmap. same as Redzero, you should remap this part {It is mapped to the soft beat at the back.}
02:07:273 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - I don't really get the sudden jump. reducing distance is not a bad idea. {Accelerates to the main jump at (6 to 11), instead of an even more sudden jump. There was also a jump used at the same tune at 02:00:673 (3,4,5,6,7,8).}

[Crimson Rose]
same as previous diff, please turn grid snap off and re-arrange the notes {same as above.}
01:20:923 - add a note

[Red Rose]
after 02:45:890 - strongly recommended that you keep distance spacing on kiai time, the same as previous parts. Sudden speed up confused the player. {Distance multiplier is unchanged; spacing change is due to BPM change and thus I feel it's fitting.}

Good luck~
sheela
Hi! From my queue~

Red Rose
01:34:573 (4) - Do an elbow. Your choice

Sorry if it's just one suggestion. I got so bored. Don't give me kudosu if it isn't useful. Star!
CXu
Yo, just coming around to tell you that correct artist and title is:

Jeff Williams - Red Like Roses (Theme of Rooster Teeth's Rwby) [feat. Casey Lee Williams]
Source: https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/red-l ... =577860250

Apparently you shouldn't change the title under any circumstances or something, so yeah.
Topic Starter
Jinxy
Changed the title, but left Casey Lee Williams in Artist, since it's a ft thing.

Reverted because I'm pretty sure it's trying to show as a source, such a long name doesn't make sense
Vertify
Nice map!
453164374
nice map...
Faust
If I read that correctly, it's "Jeff Williams - Red Like Roses feat. Casey Lee Williams" ?

Probably the closest change to what CXu mentioned without it sounding/being redundant.
Topic Starter
Jinxy
Yeah, that sounds good. Thanks.
Charles445
feat. goes in artist, not title.

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Faust

Charles445 wrote:

feat. goes in artist, not title.
Not if that's actually the way it is listed as.

Here's an example:

http://vgmdb.net/album/39150
quiz-chan_DELETED
wtf, this is still in pendings
Vertify
rank meeee!!!
Teara
New timing is great.



Time to get this ranked.
Faust
Sections look good enough, yes. Maybe 5ms or so early at some points.

EDIT: the fuck It irks me to realize there was a nigh invisible unsnapped slider-end on Crescent Rose. That needs to be rectified before we proceed.

This is awkward, as it is worrying.

UPDATE:

Fixed. Ranked.

Congratulations.
deadbeat
gratz /o/
YTYuyu
ooh a RWBY song, and it's been a long while since you ranked a map o.o

congratz ;)
-Neipezi
RWBY!! gratz xD/
Norman
Is here RWBY song? lol congratz
Makar
grats! love this song
Zexous
o RWBY wasn't expecting songs from that here
Vertify
Congrats!!!!!!
Topic Starter
Jinxy
Thank you :)

Now to work on the other songs...
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