14:22 Lumin: so there are few things I need to say
14:22 Lumin: and they are
14:23 Lumin: This is clearly a 2012 map and it has it's own flaws that are necessary to keep so this will keep feeling like a 2012 map
14:23 Neptune: alright
14:23 Lumin: so we are not going to change the style, but a bit of "cleaning up"
14:23 Lumin: or tidying up
14:23 Neptune: so
14:23 Neptune: it
14:23 Neptune: it's applicable for loved
14:24 Neptune: alright
14:24 Neptune: this map needs that
14:24 Neptune: has some flaws in it that i just can't fix by myself
14:24 Lumin: if you purify this enough and get this popular atleast I wouldn't see any problems to love this
14:25 Neptune: 01:29:266 (6,7,8,9,10,11,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5) -
14:25 Neptune: i'm not satisfied with this at all
14:25 Neptune: it looks very sloppy
14:25 Neptune: alright :3 that's good motivation
14:25 Lumin: hmm let's see
14:26 Lumin: okay
14:26 Lumin: for this part I liked this alot
14:26 Lumin: but hmm
14:27 Neptune: it looks copied too
14:27 Neptune: lowkey
14:27 Neptune: it's the same pattern but the first section it's 1/2 sliders
14:27 Neptune: and the second it's a stream
14:28 Lumin: let's start with the jumps at the beginning
14:28 Neptune: alright~ i'm sorry i'm going too fast
14:28 Neptune: i'll let you lead the way
14:29 Lumin: I'll "remake" this part and see if you like it just a moment
14:29 Lumin: tho I keep the idea but I clean it up
14:30 Neptune: sounds good
14:33 Lumin: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7641959 I would like to make the part a bit like this
14:33 Lumin: no wait
14:35 Lumin: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7641975 not exactly like this but you get the idea
14:36 Neptune: yeah that shape
14:36 Neptune: lemme see
14:36 Lumin: using distance snap 1.4x all the time and trying to make symmetric jumps 7-8-9-10-11
14:36 Lumin: so it tidyes up nicely
14:37 Neptune: where does
14:37 Neptune: 11 go
14:37 Neptune: do i stack it on 6
14:37 Neptune: or
14:37 Neptune: same spacing but stack it on the first 1/2 slider
14:37 Lumin: stack it on 6
14:38 Neptune: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7641994
14:38 Lumin: yeah just like that
14:38 Lumin: stack on 5
14:39 Lumin: 6*
14:40 Neptune: ill update it
14:40 Neptune: so you can see what i did
14:40 Neptune: alright
14:40 Neptune: you can update
14:40 Lumin: btw I only have like 40mins time left because I'm going to a camp today but we can manage
14:40 Lumin: okkaay
14:41 Neptune: oh alright
14:41 Neptune: if i'm messing with your timeline no worries
14:41 Neptune: don't want you to have a chaotic day because you helped a stranger out :p
14:42 Lumin: haha np
14:42 Lumin: okay that is good
14:42 Neptune: 1/2 slider too?
14:42 Lumin: take this 01:29:098 (5) -
14:42 Lumin: move it to x:296 y:152
14:42 Lumin: coordinates top right corner
14:42 Neptune: oh damn
14:42 Neptune: nice
14:43 Lumin: then
14:43 Neptune: same kinda angle as the jump
14:43 Neptune: thanks
14:43 Lumin: 01:27:581 (3,4) - take these
14:43 Lumin: and stack them with 5
14:43 Neptune: 01:28:761 (2,3,4,5,6) -
14:43 Neptune: this now lines up with the jump
14:43 Neptune: very nice
14:43 Neptune: wheres 5
14:43 Neptune: or you mean01:28:255 (1) -
14:43 Neptune: ?
14:43 Lumin: the 5 you moved
14:44 Neptune: oh i see
14:44 Neptune: got it
14:44 Lumin: so move them on the same coordinates
14:44 Lumin: 01:30:277 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5) - then for this part
14:45 Lumin: did you change that part on the update?
14:46 Neptune: i moved the first 1/2 a bit
14:46 Neptune: so it wouldnt be awkward spacing
14:46 Lumin: I had a great vision on this already but I forgot it omg
14:46 Neptune: i put 11 on top of the 1/2
14:47 Neptune: that's all i think
14:47 Neptune: 1/2 on top of 11
14:47 Lumin: just a moment
14:47 Neptune: i could make
14:47 Neptune: 01:30:109 (11,1) -
14:47 Neptune: this into a triple
14:48 Neptune: add a 12th in between 11 and 1
14:48 Lumin: noo it doesn't have beat you shouldn't
14:50 Lumin: okay so
14:50 Lumin: let's do this part a bit more neat
14:51 Neptune: alright
14:51 Lumin: okay first pick 01:30:445 (2,3) -
14:51 Lumin: both of them
14:51 Lumin: then click ctrl+g
14:51 Lumin: the shold fliå
14:51 Lumin: flip
14:52 Neptune: yeah
14:52 Lumin: okay then
14:52 Lumin: 01:30:951 (2) - this only and ctrl+g
14:52 Neptune: got it
14:52 Lumin: then
14:53 Lumin: 01:31:120 (3,4) - take these and ctrl+g
14:53 Neptune: got it
14:53 Lumin: 01:31:120 (3) - and then pick this and ctrl+g
14:53 Lumin: 01:31:289 (4) - and then this
14:53 Neptune: ay
14:53 Lumin: same thing
14:53 Lumin: how does it look to you now?
14:54 Neptune: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7642088
14:54 Lumin: just like that
14:55 Lumin: and do you like it?
14:55 Neptune: 01:30:951 (2,3) -
14:55 Neptune: these look very far apart to me
14:55 Neptune: i like it a lot
14:55 Neptune: more neat like you said
14:55 Lumin: wow cool
14:55 Lumin: hmm
14:55 Neptune: less sloppy
14:55 Lumin: let's see those
14:55 Neptune: seems like very uncomfortable movement
14:55 Neptune: for the momentum
14:55 Neptune: if that makes sense
14:56 Neptune: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7642095
14:56 Neptune: this is what i'm seeing
14:57 Lumin: yes I know
14:58 Neptune: day and night difference seeing auto play it
14:58 Neptune: looks more structured
14:58 Lumin: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7642114 how does this look?
14:58 Lumin: cool
15:00 Neptune: looking good
15:00 Neptune: where does 4 go
15:00 Lumin: 01:31:289 (4) - move this one tick to the left and it's nicely in the middle
15:00 Lumin: I think it looks neat
15:01 Neptune: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7642133
15:01 Neptune: ?
15:01 Lumin: yeah
15:01 Neptune: NC on 4 though then?
15:02 Lumin: 01:30:951 (2) - actually you should only NC this
15:02 Lumin: and nothing else
15:02 Lumin: before
15:02 Lumin: 01:31:626 (1) -
15:03 Neptune: so
15:03 Neptune: there's
15:03 Neptune: 2 pairs of 4 combo 1/2s
15:03 Lumin: yeah
15:03 Lumin: exactly
15:04 Neptune: alright
15:04 Neptune: got it
15:04 Neptune: indeed looks better
15:04 Lumin: okay let's look at the rest
15:04 Neptune: want me to update it
15:04 Neptune: so you can check it?
15:04 Lumin: no need
15:04 Lumin: update it at the end
15:04 Neptune: alright
15:05 Lumin: 01:34:828 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5) - this looks ok I don't think that you need to touch this
15:05 Neptune: now that the first section is fixed it might look better
15:05 Neptune: let's see
15:06 Neptune: hm
15:06 Neptune: maybe i should
15:06 Neptune: 01:33:985 (1,2,3,4,5) -
15:06 Neptune: scale it a bit
15:06 Lumin: yeah the jumps
15:06 Neptune: so it gets bigger
15:06 Neptune: and then space better with
15:06 Neptune: 01:34:828 (1) -
15:06 Lumin: them we well change
15:06 Neptune: scale smaller or bigger
15:06 Neptune: what u think
15:07 Lumin: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7642169 what do you think of this?
15:08 Neptune: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7642178
15:08 Neptune: this?
15:08 Lumin: just like that
15:08 Neptune: damn that's actually really sexy
15:08 Lumin: 01:34:491 (4,5,1) - and you can see it flowing straight into the stream
15:09 Lumin: okay I think that this part is good
15:09 Lumin: I don't have much time so I'll check the map through and see if there are any major flaws?
15:09 Lumin: or do you have some other part on your mind?
15:09 Neptune: ehmm
15:09 Neptune: yes
15:09 Lumin: okay what do you have?
15:10 Neptune: 03:24:547 (1) -
15:10 Neptune: this entire stream
15:10 Neptune: i dont think it's structured well with the 1/2s and reverses on the blue/whites
15:10 Neptune: i dont know not sure though
15:10 Lumin: hmm
15:10 Neptune: but i never thought it was correct
15:10 Neptune: oh wait
15:10 Neptune: no tthat one
15:11 Neptune: 03:30:530 (5) -
15:11 Neptune: here onwards
15:11 Neptune: my bad
15:11 Lumin: that's what I thought
15:11 Lumin: because I loved that one
15:11 Neptune: you 100%ed it though i was surprised
15:11 Lumin: oh yeah this was the "worst" stream in the map
15:11 Neptune: haha thought so
15:12 Neptune: i want it to be tricky though
15:12 Neptune: since the guitar
15:12 Neptune: goes kinda crazy
15:12 Neptune: in that part
15:12 Lumin: 1st thing it has to be the same spacing through the whole stream
15:12 Neptune: and it nicely introduces
15:12 Lumin: so I'd say 1.5x
15:12 Neptune: the intense jumps coming
15:13 Lumin: let me remake this 03:30:952 (10,1,2,3) -
15:13 Neptune: u gotta help me a bit on this one
15:13 Neptune: alright
15:13 Neptune: i'm not sure how to scale/space with the tools properly
15:13 Neptune: i never really used the beat snap thingy
15:13 Neptune: it's pure hand work
15:14 Lumin: hold down alt and scroll it until it is 1.5x in the top right corner
15:14 Lumin: you should, distance snap is pretty much a must in mapping
15:14 Neptune: alright
15:14 Neptune: nice
15:14 Neptune: lovely to learn more about mapping
15:14 Neptune: so now when i tag ''distance snap''
15:15 Neptune: it automatically locks notes into the 1,5x spacing right
15:15 Neptune: when i click the notes
15:15 Lumin: no do not do it like that
15:15 Lumin: take it away and never touch that button
15:15 Neptune: o
15:15 Neptune: so how do i apply it to a section
15:15 Lumin: the way you use it
15:16 Lumin: well you can't apply it to a section, you need to go through one note at a time
15:16 Neptune: im sorry if i'm not following correctly
15:16 Neptune: so when i alt+scroll
15:16 Neptune: and i just m1 a circle
15:16 Neptune: it has the 1.5x applied to it?
15:17 Lumin: take some random note and move it to anywhere you want without distance snap turned on ok?
15:17 Neptune: alright
15:17 Lumin: THEN hold the note with your mouse and then press and hold alt = vola
15:18 Neptune: i see
15:18 Neptune: thank you for clearning that up
15:18 Lumin: cool
15:18 Neptune: makes just that much more sense now
15:18 Neptune: so in reality
15:18 Neptune: people hold alt a lot during mapping
15:19 Lumin: yes
15:19 Neptune: with every placement pretty much
15:19 Neptune: ?
15:19 Lumin: they do
15:19 Neptune: oh gosh
15:19 Lumin: but quickly for this part
15:19 Neptune: i have been so wrong all my osu career then
15:19 Lumin: DD
15:19 Neptune: thank you man
15:19 Lumin: 03:30:952 (10,1,2) -
15:20 Neptune: yes
15:20 Lumin: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7642270 what do you think about this?
15:20 Lumin: makes it more interesting and doesn't stop the flow
15:21 Lumin: still keeps up the guitar's kinkyness
15:21 Neptune: whoa i liked it first sight
15:21 Neptune: hahaha
15:21 Neptune: yeah
15:21 Neptune: lemme see
15:21 Lumin: well I really don't have long time so don't start fixing it now and let's look at the rest of the stream quickly
15:22 Neptune: would the sliders look fancier
15:22 Neptune: if i put a little curve in them
15:22 Neptune: and match the angles
15:22 Lumin: nah, don't do that with short sliders
15:22 Lumin: this looks and works better
15:25 Lumin: 03:32:384 (4,5,6,7,8) - this part
15:25 Lumin: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7642293 you could do it like this so it looks and flows better
15:26 Lumin: just check that out and see what you think
15:26 Lumin: but now I really need to go
15:26 Neptune: oh yes

00:08:704 (6) - Ends in a strong sound here, maybe you could try something so that there's a slider or a hitcircle starting there, your choice.

00:10:053 (1,2,3,4) - There seems to be a few sounds on the blue ticks, but if you don't wanna add a stream or repeated sliders there, you could try this: https://puu.sh/v8jC6/45096e8df0.png - It flows a bit better.

00:11:064 (8) - I would add a slider here since there is a note on the red tick after it, that way; the sliderend would end on the red tick, making it less confusing.

00:25:895 (1) - Remove NC, 00:26:232 (2) - Add NC
00:31:457 (4,5) - ^
00:46:289 (1,2) - ^
00:54:547 (9,1) - ^

00:28:761 (1) - Try ending the slider on the white tick, it seems better.

00:30:277 (8) - NC
00:35:671 (4) - ^
00:38:367 (5) - ^
00:39:547 (6) - ^
00:44:940 (7) - ^
00:58:592 (10) - ^
01:05:165 (4) - ^
01:14:772 (3) - ^
01:18:648 (7) - ^
01:20:165 (6) - ^
01:21:513 (5) - ^

00:42:412 (7) - There is a strong sound there, perhaps ending it on a slider end wouldn't be the best idea.

00:48:732 (2) - You could add a circle there and make it stack with 00:48:648 (1,2) - It flows better.