Let's go back to the middle ages when people like those burnt people who weren't by their "standards"... where is this world goingWojjan wrote:
meanwhile: http://www.allout.org/en/actions/georgia
Let's go back to the middle ages when people like those burnt people who weren't by their "standards"... where is this world goingWojjan wrote:
meanwhile: http://www.allout.org/en/actions/georgia
Fine, I'll be a little controversial (to play a bit of devil's advocate) and say that religion is NOT okay, even if you keep it to yourself. Basically, unless you have solid evidence for your claims, anything that is not fact should not be believed and furthermore, can be potentially be dangerous. Simply going to church and representing the masses of people that the pope (or any religions leader) has managed to deceive is just continuing the destructive cycle that can lead to homophobia, lies, and manipulation. The number of people that become raised to believe that "fags should burn in hell" will increase if religion continues to grow; religions encourage and practically breed discrimination, and unless religion itself fundamentally changes this will never change.Wojjan wrote:
The thing about religious freedom topics in a place like this is that everyone is going to say the same thing, generally: "religion is okay etc etc, but it shouldn't impose itself on other people etc etc, my mind wanders in a dark forest etc etc"
Wojjan wrote:
The thing about religious freedom topics in a place like this is that everyone is going to say the same thing, generally: "religion is okay etc etc, but it shouldn't impose itself on other people etc etc, my mind wanders in a dark forest etc etc"
Hika wrote:
my mind wanders in a dark forest
<3Aurani wrote:
All our minds wander in a dark forest
you've made me pull out my debate stickmathexpert9981 wrote:
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Basically, unless you have solid evidence for your claims, anything that is not fact should not be believed and furthermore, can be potentially be dangerous.you do this thousands of time a day every time you look at pictures, even ones of people and things you've seen before and are intimately acquainted with. hundreds of millions of judgements are drawn by your subconscious every day, made with nothing but instinctual earnest. you are a machine that disseminates and coagulates seemingly arbitrary patterns into things that "mean" something - all at the behest of a part of your being that you cannot even control.
Simply going to church and representing the masses of people that the pope (or any religions leader) has managed to deceive is just continuing the destructive cycle that can lead to homophobia, lies, and manipulation.strawman it up, baby. clearly since homophobia has been insinuated with religion in the past, that means that all religions (ESPECIALLY CHRISTIANITY SNARL) are homophobic and thus are bad. first step in critical thinking is really important: correlation is not equal to causation. this will take you far in life - embrace it, and you'll laugh at silly notions like the one you're putting forward instead of being ridiculed by them.
The number of people that become raised to believe that "fags should burn in hell" will increase if religion continues to grow; religions encourage and practically breed discrimination, and unless religion itself fundamentally changes this will never change.imperative assertions with absolutely no basis. do you know what we call things like this? we call them prejudices. blanket assertions about discrimination in large society groups is nothing new and by far nothing specific to religions, even if the ethos of some may ardently encourage it. i invite you to actually sit down and read some literature on human group formation in social environments, and you'll see that a lot of things are the way they are fundamentally because of people, not because of the structures and the grouping they create.
I've set up a bank account, just 20% of your income and an eventual relocation to our new church is all that's required for you to find the answers you need, the glimmer of light in the forest, obscured by earthy ignorance.Zarerion wrote:
my mind wanders in a dark forest
I find it to be a fundamental need, just like practicing arabesques is to the professional artist. While our culture retains certain ethics, it's still lacking things such as trust and love. Read Remembering, by Wendell Berry. It shows how our modern society's crumbled as far as how close people are with each other. As in, everyone's so shut in it's sad as hell.Tanzklaue wrote:
religion is an outdated concept. it was important in older times, because without lies nobody would seek for the truth, but now it's really just an old concept that brings more evil than it brings good things. you could argue that religion brings us important ethics, but ethics are deeply implemented in our culture, so we won't lose them if religion vanishes.
tl;drIppE wrote:
Religions are all quite silly and pointless.
Throw me quotes, do it.gurodoll wrote:
There is worth to be found in the various scriptures / texts, some are quite beautiful and thought provoking. On the other hand, such teachings that directly encourage segregation and discrimination of others really have no place in the present.
I was also raised religious, and I still am religious, although I don't affiliate myself with any organized religion. I don't attend church or anything like that and I don't read any of those stupid outdated books, mainly because I don't want other people telling me what god should be and what I should think. Basically I think it's important to free yourself from these silly influences and believe what you want to believe.Ephemeral wrote:
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First of all, these aren't silly influences at all; they're all backed by generations of bright minds, from Boethius to C.S. Lewis. In fact, it'd be very close minded of you to ignore them. Many of "those stupid outdated books" make excellent points and even agree on several matters with each other. Several cultures around the world, from the Far East to the Iberian Peninsula have had their intellectuals, all making similar assertions: Socrates, Confucius, Christ, and Laozi among them. While they all disagree on the nature of God or how evil works, their ideas are still worth considering.Kanye West wrote:
word festivalEphemeral wrote:
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I'm concerned as to how I didn't know anything about this and I live in Georgia.Wojjan wrote:
meanwhile: http://www.allout.org/en/actions/georgia
I didn't even take this into consideration when I first heard it because I thought it was a joke. I didn't even notice a link; thank you for bringing this to my attention, Tode.Cuddlebun wrote:
I'm concerned as to how I didn't know anything about this and I live in Georgia.Wojjan wrote:
meanwhile: http://www.allout.org/en/actions/georgia
Not as much as I have reason to be angered at these two words being used in the same sentence. Sometimes I have to believe that right wingers are engaged in a perpetual smear campaign against religion.Hika wrote:
religion & homophobia.
After reading everything,I have to agree with you on that one.Vext wrote:
Oh dear, nothing good can come from this topic.
I disagree; I think this is the chosen thread.Aurani wrote:
After reading everything,I have to agree with you on that one.Vext wrote:
Oh dear, nothing good can come from this topic.
My mind wanders in a dark forest,all hail our savior and messiah gurodoll.
No no, I mean this thread has awakened a primal urge in me to make quality posts rather than sink into depravity by posting a myriad of dancing lolis and shitposts. It has nothing to do with the quality of the thread per se.Hika wrote:
Nah, I thought Datzuke had the best thread of all OT. Nothing can compare.
+1 on that one.mm201 wrote:
I'll just say it. Homophobes are idiots.
Well I wish it was only that one..there's far,far more to that than simple "economic control".mm201 wrote:
Religion doesn't start wars, people do, usually fighting over economic control of some region.
Hoverlegs wrote:
my religon > your religion
You're overgeneralizing, for one thing. For another, hold your tongue; it's not something I can help. It's well within my ability to not oppress, to support, and to treat LGBTs as I would any other human being, but I can't control the tiny ulcer growing in my stomach when they talk to me about their sexual tendencies.mm201 wrote:
I'll just say it. Homophobes are idiots.
Provide examples.Well I wish it was only that one..there's far,far more to that than simple "economic control".mm201 wrote:
Religion doesn't start wars, people do, usually fighting over economic control of some region.
Also,basically everything comes down to what Hoverlegs mentioned in a sarcastic manner,and no matter what we do that'll always stay the same..Nope. Anyone that even bothers studying other religions can tell that each one has some truth to it. And if anyone ever asked why they believe what they do, they'd know that every religion is just about as valid as the next, the only difference being what you place your faith on.Hoverlegs wrote:
my religon > your religion
That's what I think a "good" believer should do with their respective religion too. But guess what? I've brought up that point when challenged by religious people on many occasions, but their answers are always along the line of "if you believe in the wrong god, then it is pointless no matter how many good deeds you do."Aeidxst wrote:
Religion was created with a good cause like preventing rape, murder, theft etc. I think. It was a positive idealistic system created to inspire harmlesss manners.
To provide examples?Brian OA wrote:
Well I wish it was only that one..there's far,far more to that than simple "economic control".mm201 wrote:
Religion doesn't start wars, people do, usually fighting over economic control of some region.The Middle East is about economic control, despite what they say.Brian OA wrote:
Provide examples.
Ephemeral wrote:
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You've been talking to the wrong people then. Let me be the first Catholic to tell you that your good deeds matter more than what you believe.Oinari-sama wrote:
but their answers are always along the line of "if you believe in the wrong god, then it is pointless no matter how many good deeds you do."
This is a very awkward debate that inevitably centers around Leviticus 18. Most Christian denominations do not consider it binding.DaddyCoolVipper wrote:
Honestly, I think that you can't say Christianity isn't homophobic. If you only believe the "core beliefs" of the Bible, then that means you're just cherry-picking the parts that make sense, which to me just seems ridiculous. IMO, if you're a "Christian", you should believe all of the Bible since you believe is "God's word". If you don't think it's "God's word", then why do you trust the New Testament?