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yaaay gz
gratz o//
go hype
so awesome <3
I hate to be that guy because this map is really fun but...

Every slider must have a clear and visible path to follow from start to end. Sliders which overlap themselves in a way that makes any section unreadable or ambiguous (including "burai sliders") cannot be used. This is so that no slider has an appearance that is confusing or impossible for the player to read. Additionally, the slider borders must never be covered up from the slider being packed in too tightly. However, sliders that cross over themselves are fine as long as the borders are clearly visible.

This isn't a question of playability really. It's easy enough to play. It's just that this blatantly breaks a rule in it's current wording... perhaps the rule should be reworded? :/
Hookers about the rules? :3 Having fun is more important! XD

Just logged in after years to check some things and then I see this... Congratz!
We discussed with other BATs and this needs to get unranked due to 00:55:182 (1) -unclear path on the top and it covers itself, you should get this fixed asap so I can re-qualify! (and the other same kind of sliders too)

sorry for the inconvenience!

edit: Told Inv to nerf the wiggle sliders too
How about adjusting the rule instead of unranking this. Even peppy said it was fine.

1) They're totally playable. Even if you go on the other side, you don't miss.
2) Okay, let's assume you really miss now. Who cares - you can replay it, can't you? The map is enjoyed by many people apparently, I didn't really see a flame about those sliders. Yes, it might be a rule but .. you should also see yourself what's okay and what not.

Gonna ask some other BATs regarding the wobble sliders. I am seriously not sure about how it is unrankable, as they play totally fine (these didn't make you break any combo at all even on first plays)
that rule seriously needs to be reworded. The rule was made to avoid extremely wobbly sliders and burai sliders. This case isn't any of these, so it shouldn't be a problem. The slider is completely readable and playable.

inverness wrote:

rip la turn allmods

Good luck getting this re-ranked <3
congrats on first unranked map, inverness!

/me runs wildly*

well, if you drag your cursor to the left at those wubble slider it wont make slider-miss too but meh
Kinda sucks. I think some maps were also changed because of that rule and now that they finally decide to change the wording.

On topic. Slider was awesome. Although gives me a good reason to replay this map and aim for FC. :(
I pretended like I knew what was going on for a while.
2014-07-13 19:11 Garven: Hi
2014-07-13 19:11 inverness: omg its garven O.o
2014-07-13 19:11 inverness: how can i help you this morning? :3
2014-07-13 19:11 Garven: Apparently I'm getting dragged into your recent unrank haha
2014-07-13 19:11 Garven: I'm not exactly sure what's going on
2014-07-13 19:11 inverness: Oh,
2014-07-13 19:11 inverness: so um
2014-07-13 19:11 Garven: but the map isn't going to go anywhere until you at least address the unranking post.
2014-07-13 19:12 Garven: Right now all I see is some sarcastic "rip" post which makes me think you're just being an ass
2014-07-13 19:12 inverness: rip?
2014-07-13 19:12 Garven: p/3231578
2014-07-13 19:13 inverness: uhh well that was just for the lulz
2014-07-13 19:13 inverness: in serious,
2014-07-13 19:13 inverness: i've asked like some bats and they're okay with the issue
2014-07-13 19:13 inverness: So here's the issue:
2014-07-13 19:14 Garven: From what I recall, peppy suggested that you make the curve on the problem sliders more rounded
2014-07-13 19:14 inverness: http://puu.sh/aafpV/838a4b13fd.jpg A BAT says that this is unrankable due to covered sliderborder on the sliderhead
2014-07-13 19:14 Garven: It'll make the slider play the same but will look more readable
2014-07-13 19:14 inverness: yes
2014-07-13 19:15 inverness: Well the issue is this is actually readable enough
2014-07-13 19:15 inverness: problem*
2014-07-13 19:15 inverness: and relying on slider leniency nothing should become problem in playing this
2014-07-13 19:15 Garven: It's good practice to have the slider borders visible
2014-07-13 19:15 inverness: Huh?
2014-07-13 19:15 Garven: So if you could maybe alter the curve so that it's a bit further out but it will essentially play the same
2014-07-13 19:16 inverness: uh like how, I actually couldn't do anything much in altering the shape
2014-07-13 19:16 inverness: due to limited length in SV
2014-07-13 19:16 inverness: theres no way i can change it except making it ugly
2014-07-13 19:16 inverness: and really, no one is actually having any problem here unless some people
2014-07-13 19:17 inverness: which i see they're just way too cautious and relying on outdated ranking critera
2014-07-13 19:17 Garven: Sorry for trying to adhere to guidelines we've had for a long time
2014-07-13 19:17 Garven: But anyway
2014-07-13 19:18 Garven: A 5-second slider but the general illustration: http://puu.sh/aafHy/c0b6542302.jpg
2014-07-13 19:18 Garven: You can tell the direction it's going to go and the general playability won't really be effected
2014-07-13 19:19 inverness: Isn't the curve in my slider already show how the direction is going?
2014-07-13 19:20 inverness: it's like, spiral movement
2014-07-13 19:20 inverness: this does not affect general playability at all in first glance
2014-07-13 19:20 inverness: On most players.
2014-07-13 19:20 Garven: But it's so tight around the hitcircle itself that it's pretty much stopping all movement of the slider
2014-07-13 19:21 Garven: Which should make upper-level modders cautious since it's getting to the point of the buraiish stuff
2014-07-13 19:21 inverness: But it's visible enough to see the movements of the sliderball
2014-07-13 19:21 inverness: in which most players could easily follow
2014-07-13 19:21 Garven: I'm talking about the overall movement though
2014-07-13 19:22 Garven: With that slider, you're essentially pausing before the ball starts moving again
2014-07-13 19:22 Garven: Or at least that you'll have to move your cursor to follow it
2014-07-13 19:22 inverness: Yeah I see
2014-07-13 19:22 Garven: I'm sure with the area leniency people won't be missing, but it's similar in concept to having a crazy wiggle at the start before the slider moves again
2014-07-13 19:23 Garven: That's where I am coming from.
2014-07-13 19:23 inverness: Mh but I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't have any problem with it and they'll be like "what was that? oh i've passed it ok nvm"
2014-07-13 19:23 inverness: But
2014-07-13 19:23 Garven: You really don't want people asking that though
2014-07-13 19:23 Garven: That smells of a readability problem if that's happening.
2014-07-13 19:23 inverness: If the paused movement of the slider basically makes sense, why not
2014-07-13 19:23 inverness: ?
2014-07-13 19:24 inverness: Like i
2014-07-13 19:24 inverness: Like i'm pretty sure it is totaly readable (there's a wiggle in the sliderhead, hence you know what to do)
2014-07-13 19:24 inverness: Unlike burai sliedrs in which they're unreadable
2014-07-13 19:25 Garven: Well, the reason we frown on the extreme wiggles is because you don't know how long the wiggle effect is going to last.
2014-07-13 19:25 Garven: So I suppose you could argue that with the curve you have a better idea of how long it's going to last
2014-07-13 19:25 Garven: That said, I'd still like it to be expanded a little bit just for general reduction of 'wtf'
2014-07-13 19:26 inverness: Well here you can clearly see the csliderball is "revolving" the wiggle in a very obvious way
2014-07-13 19:26 Garven: Does that sound fair?
2014-07-13 19:26 inverness: Uh like how? I couldn't reproduce
2014-07-13 19:26 Garven: Can you /np the map?
2014-07-13 19:26 Garven: I don't even have it :U
2014-07-13 19:27 inverness: oh LOL i thought you were arguing about this along witht he map
2014-07-13 19:27 inverness: ACTION is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/281918 Knife Party - Bonfire [Rage]]
2014-07-13 19:27 Garven: Nope
2014-07-13 19:27 Garven: I'm just talknig about the concepts of mapping
2014-07-13 19:27 Garven: Have a timestamp?
2014-07-13 19:27 Garven: I'm assuming in the hardest difficulty
2014-07-13 19:27 inverness: Well you had to look on the map in order to understand how the mapper---
2014-07-13 19:27 inverness: 00:55:182 (1) -
2014-07-13 19:27 inverness: yes, i nped the rage dif
2014-07-13 19:28 Garven: There are basics in mapping that apply to any map. You don't need musical context
2014-07-13 19:28 inverness: Sometimes you do
2014-07-13 19:28 inverness: Like for example you can't use wiggles everywhere you want
2014-07-13 19:28 inverness: Here I use it to follow the drill sound from the dubstep drop
2014-07-13 19:30 Garven: Couldn't you do something similar to 01:06:216 (1) - then?
2014-07-13 19:30 Garven: It'd make your map more consistent anyway
2014-07-13 19:30 inverness: I'd like some variations :I
2014-07-13 19:31 inverness: Like tell me you wouldn't like so much copy paste in shapes
2014-07-13 19:31 inverness: of the slider
2014-07-13 19:31 inverness: that's just uncreative :P
2014-07-13 19:31 Garven: 01:39:320 (1) - You sure about that?
2014-07-13 19:31 Garven: And you obviously don't know me
2014-07-13 19:31 inverness: It's well it's different
2014-07-13 19:31 Garven: I actually like copy/pasted stuff
2014-07-13 19:31 Garven: As long as the pasted pattern is actually good
2014-07-13 19:31 inverness: In fact I don't know a lot
2014-07-13 19:31 inverness: I can see
2014-07-13 19:32 inverness: But oh well what i mean by variations here is like
2014-07-13 19:32 Garven: I understand what you mean, don't worry
2014-07-13 19:32 inverness: I dont want to reuse 1 slider like so many times
2014-07-13 19:32 inverness: :D
2014-07-13 19:32 Garven: You can always... try to make similar ones but not actual copy/pastes you know
2014-07-13 19:32 inverness: Yeah
2014-07-13 19:33 Garven: You want to give a similar feeling at least without outright copy/pasting
2014-07-13 19:33 Garven: So using jumps in the same places as the music repeats etc.
2014-07-13 19:33 inverness: I see
2014-07-13 19:34 Garven: From what I see you have a good grasp on rhythm at least, which is refreshing
2014-07-13 19:34 inverness: I take that as a compliment :D
2014-07-13 19:34 Garven: I don't like the extended sliders everywhere, but everyone is doing it. #oldfartrage
2014-07-13 19:34 Garven: But yeah, honestly you use those wiggle sliders all over anyway. I don't see why having two more will break the feel of the map.
2014-07-13 19:35 inverness: :)
2014-07-13 19:35 Garven: If you used those spinny sliders -more- then I'd suggest you use them instead
2014-07-13 19:35 Garven: But since they are the minority, I'd say use more wiggles
2014-07-13 19:35 Garven: It'd fit more with the design of the verses too like at 02:01:389 (1) -
2014-07-13 19:36 inverness: Hmmm, their current presence is balanced enough imo
2014-07-13 19:36 inverness: And I prefer to use the wiggly sliders only at the drop
2014-07-13 19:37 Garven: The weird thing is that you didn't use the spinning slider at the same points in the song
2014-07-13 19:37 Garven: 00:55:182 (1) - This one is the start of the chorus
2014-07-13 19:37 Garven: When it happens again in the same chorus, it's a wiggle slider01:06:216 (1) -
2014-07-13 19:37 inverness: Hmm
2014-07-13 19:37 Garven: But then at the next one, you start with a wiggle
2014-07-13 19:37 Garven: 01:39:320 (1) -
2014-07-13 19:37 inverness: Maybe because I like it this way? :D
2014-07-13 19:37 Garven: And continue the wiggle 01:50:354 (1) -
2014-07-13 19:37 Garven: I'm just speaking from a consistency perspective here
2014-07-13 19:38 inverness: I can see that
2014-07-13 19:38 Garven: The second spinning slider isn't even at the same point in the song 01:42:078 (1) -
2014-07-13 19:38 Garven: So I don't even see what youre talking about with using it at the drop
2014-07-13 19:39 Garven: Anyway, I wasn't planning on modding this late today since I have stuff to do so uh
2014-07-13 19:39 inverness: But Irre asked you to give your opinions on the sliders only :S
2014-07-13 19:39 Garven: I'll just post this in the thread or something. Maybe we can continue later
2014-07-13 19:40 inverness: Sure thing
2014-07-13 19:40 Garven: I have a tendancy to mod more than just what was asked
2014-07-13 19:40 inverness: Thanks by the way :D
2014-07-13 19:40 Garven: Since getting the big picture helps a lot
2014-07-13 19:40 inverness: ah
I don't see the problem here?

edit: what is an actual issue is the extremely high HP drop when you miss a note, which makes complete HP regeneration fairly hard. That's also because of the high OD in combination with high HP settings. There aren't even that many streams, to begin with and once you missed, the remaining objects are barely enough to refill the HP bar.

just my two cents though, already discussed with inv.
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