can anybody give me any tips for learning maps with a lot og long notes and normal notes combined, i know i should play more, but is painfully hard to play these maps, are they any tricks and tips or just smap these maps until i finally figure it out, i play 7k, the maps im talking about are this kind


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wow beginner multikey player who tries hard patterns, mad respect.

try focusing on the fingers which need to be pressed down and don't release early.

I’d say skin and practicing finger independency are the 2 most important things to consider while playing LN maps. With bad skins, reading LN patterns can be hellish, so it’d be better for you to choose a skin that’s clean and clear, especially at the end of a LN. Finger independency is also important, especially for higher keys, since a lot of LN patterns require you to hold certain fingers while lifting some up at the same time, which is really hard to do if you are not used to it. Nothing much that I could recommend for this one rather than practice more LN patterns

tgnehs wrote:

wow beginner multikey player who tries hard patterns, mad respect.

try focusing on the fingers which need to be pressed down and don't release early.

i wonder if its ok to play maps that are too hard for me, should i instead play easier maps?

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH wrote:

I’d say skin and practicing finger independency are the 2 most important things to consider while playing LN maps. With bad skins, reading LN patterns can be hellish, so it’d be better for you to choose a skin that’s clean and clear, especially at the end of a LN. Finger independency is also important, especially for higher keys, since a lot of LN patterns require you to hold certain fingers while lifting some up at the same time, which is really hard to do if you are not used to it. Nothing much that I could recommend for this one rather than practice more LN patterns

i downloaded a pack of maps that are basically all LN and you have to release the finger instead of pressing it, will it be helpful for finger independency?

I'm not expert player, but I just wanna give some opinion.

Play hard map, but not too hard. Avoid mashing keyboard without thinking what you should press.

As AH said, finger indenpendency is the most important for this one. I suggest to play a map that had multiple lns pressed at same time, but with simple different release (like had around 4/4 gap release). It's to teach your indenpendency.

Then, you can learn by shortening one ln on that multiple lns (i.e. If they made as 8/4 and 4/4 release, try to play 8/4 and 3/4 release, then 8/4 and 2/4 release, and so on). It's to teach your reflexes.

In the end, use random mod, it will teach your coordination to the max because you'll avoid muscle memory on same map.

Also, such pattern is hard to be played, especially if you're still adapting to vsrg (I assumed from your play). So, slow progression is ok.

Good luck!

Cuma Iseng wrote:

I'm not expert player, but I just wanna give some opinion.

Play hard map, but not too hard. Avoid mashing keyboard without thinking what you should press.

As AH said, finger indenpendency is the most important for this one. I suggest to play a map that had multiple lns pressed at same time, but with simple different release (like had around 4/4 gap release). It's to teach your indenpendency.

Then, you can learn by shortening one ln on that multiple lns (i.e. If they made as 8/4 and 4/4 release, try to play 8/4 and 3/4 release, then 8/4 and 2/4 release, and so on). It's to teach your reflexes.

In the end, use random mod, it will teach your coordination to the max because you'll avoid muscle memory on same map.

Also, such pattern is hard to be played, especially if you're still adapting to vsrg (I assumed from your play). So, slow progression is ok.

Good luck!

thank you for your reply, and sorry but what do you mean with 8/4,4/4 or 6/4

As others have identified, your issue is finger independence. The only way to improve finger independence is to play more maps which require good finger independence to play properly. A good way to tell if a map is good practice is simply to identify what makes the map difficult to play. If the map is not fast, but you are still struggling to hit the patterns, it's probably because you lack the finger independence to play it properly.

One mapper you might want to check out is Entozer. Many of his maps will be too hard for you right now, but the ones that are at your skill level will be good finger independence practice. This is because his mapping style in general places heavy emphasis on patterns that require good finger independence. You can also check out some of my maps (most of them are not complete, but the few that are also have patterns relying heavily on finger independence).

I suggest avoiding maps you can't even B at the very least, as you are effectively just wasting your time. You've already gained the one benefit that playing through something that difficult can give you. The only thing that you learn by playing something that hard and not just giving up is the ability to try to concentrate while being overwhelmed by too many notes.

Generally speaking, the best practice method is to restrict yourself to maps you can A or S. Maps that you can S are good practice for the fundamentals. They help you perfect your ability to hit simple patterns with high accuracy, which in turn also improves your accuracy overall on more difficult patterns. Playing maps you can A (or at the very most can get a high B) on will help you become familiar with more difficult patterns.

Using random is definitely another way to improve your finger independence since it will sometimes create very awkward patterns, but I wouldn't really suggest heavily playing with random and instead focus mostly on finding and practicing maps that require finger independence without random. This is because the patterns you experience when using random can be quite different from even the kind of patterns that you will find in maps that require good finger independence to play well. While it's good to make sure you can basically play any pattern, you will improve faster if you focus more on patterns that are used in actual maps and not the patterns artificially created by using random.

Another technique for practicing finger independence is to use Halftime to reduce the difficulty of harder maps. This gives you the benefit of encountering complicated patterns that are well above your skill level to play at full speed. This can help you find more patterns that require lots of finger independence while keeping them easy enough to be useful practice.